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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • bluebird

    Dont know whether or not this is tge same John Shirley. There seems to be 10 john shirleys of all ages in the usa military, particularly their Texas branch. Our Indianspolis john shirley is from Texas.

    Here he is missile alert facility cief of the year! Is it our j.s.?

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+missile+alert+facility+chef.-a0232281613

    Here another one is mentioned as a military police chief/judge? Search the site in the comments.

    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/08/25/ex-marine-and-fugitive-tied-to-oath-keepers-arrested/

    Btw.
    Only God knows what his current company is doing (see above). You could just guess as you can do for silver fern.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    James wrote:

    One thing I could never get my head around (as a pilot) was the fact that the aircraft involved all took off with various delays.
    How did “pilot A” know when to turn that aircraft and attack.
    He wouldn’t know the others were being delayed…and by how much.

    I believe the official narrative, also because it is pretty explosive on its own and any alternative theories tend to throw Israel[as a motivation for the attacks]* off the hook too easily. The official 9/11 report is pretty clear about how the chief architect was motivated by his violent opposition to US support for Israeli actions in the occupied territories, and it mentions that the Congress was a target (by the plane that went down over Pennsylvania), because, quote: “it was the biggest source for US support towards Israeli policies” unquote.

    *)We know (from a report in the Scotsman) that Israeli and French intelligence had tracked Atta and gang down to Hollywood, Florida, where they were eavesropping on them electronically. But the question is why they didn’t told the americans,- or perhaps they did, we just don’t know anything about it.It would be embarassing if the americans were told and not acting upon it.

    —————-

    So all these planes hitting, and in which order, was just accidential, like it was accidential that the one which crashed in Pennsylvania didn’t make it to the Congress.

  • bluebird

    Sorensen.
    This is crazy.

    The mylife account “jashirley0001” shows exactly his data as to be seen in the indianapolis registry (noblesville, battle creek) plus it says that his job is Metro telemanagement systems.
    The only sane answer would be when john s. is a brother or relative and john a. is employed there.

    I really need somebody with a mylife account looking up more details of “jashirley0001” on mylife that we cant see without being a member. Urgent!

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Of course, Bluebird this talk about “Telemanagement” makes me raise an ear, just like any old chaindog would upon hearing a faint sound. Because I know from David Irving’s compilation of news-stories about the subject, that Israeli firms pretty much runs all billing for telephonecompanies, you know – you can get a detailed account at your telephonecompany about who you called and duration of call? Perfect for an intelligence company in this way to keep track and even listening in on the calls. I can dig those links up from David’s site if you want. Naturally US offiials are not keen at all, about foreigners running this sort of business.

  • bluebird

    Straw.

    The address 2220 queen victoria

    That was dion longworth last entry on ancestry.com from 2006. No other (younger) address file available there.

    Thanks for the correction.

  • James

    Ken

    “So all these planes hitting, and in which order, was just accidential, like it was accidential that the one which crashed in Pennsylvania didn’t make it to the Congress”.

    Off topic a bit, but that’s a thing.
    Taking distance, speed, delays, actual t/o time, routing, take over time and approach etc…of the actual event, then comparing a likely event (with min delays). There order of attack was a little messed up.

    The first building to be attacked (I can only imagine this, although did some work on likely approaches and order times and distance) would have been WT7.

    It is said that an approach to hit that building is unlikely.
    However that is incorrect.

  • bluebird

    Sorensen

    Could you pls try to access the mylife info of “jashirley0001”?

    They dont show me again unless i would pay them $$$

    Thanks.

    Metro tele could be intelligence, could be unrelated and normal, too. Legit reg. but no idea what they are doing. You would expect a tele company using the internet. No?
    Looks like silver fern, doesnt it?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    [My emphasis]

    INSIGHT MAGAZINE EXCLUSIVE

    FBI Probes Espionage at Clinton White House

    By J. Michael Waller and Paul M. Rodriguez

    More than two dozen U.S. intelligence, counterintelligence, law-enforcement and other officials have told Insight that the FBI believes Israel has intercepted telephone and modem communications on some of the most sensitive lines of the U.S. government on an ongoing basis. The worst penetrations are believed to be in the State Department. But others say the supposedly secure telephone systems in the White House, Defense Department and Justice Department may have been compromised as well.

    The problem for FBI agents in the famed Division 5, however, isn’t just what they have uncovered, which is substantial, but what they don’t yet know, according to Insight’s sources interviewed during a year-long investigation by the magazine. Of special concern is how to confirm and deal with the potentially sweeping espionage penetration of key U.S. government telecommunications systems allowing foreign eavesdropping on calls to and from the White House, the National Security Council, or NSC, the Pentagon and the State Department.

    The directors of the FBI and the CIA have been kept informed of the ongoing counterintelligence operation, as have the president and top officials at the departments of Defense, State and Justice and the NSC. A “heads up” has been given to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, but no government official would speak for the record.

    strong>”It’s a huge security nightmare,” says a senior U.S. official familiar with the super-secret counterintelligence operation. “The implications are severe,” confirms a second with direct knowledge. “We’re not even sure we know the extent of it,” says a third high-ranking intelligence official. “All I can tell you is that we think we know how it was done,” this third intelligence executive tells Insight. “That alone is serious enough, but it’s the unknown that has such deep consequences.

    A senior government official who would go no further than to admit awareness of the FBI probe, says: “It is a politically sensitive matter. I can’t comment on it beyond telling you that anything involving Israel on this particular matter is off-limits. It’s that hot.

    It is very hot indeed. For nearly a year, FBI agents had been tracking an Israeli businessman working for a local phone company. The man’s wife is alleged to be a Mossad officer under diplomatic cover at the Israeli Embassy in Washington. Mossad — the Israeli intelligence service — is known to station husband-and-wife teams abroad, but it was not known whether the husband is a full-fledged officer, an agent or something else. When federal agents made a search of his work area they found a list of the FBI’s most sensitive telephone numbers, including the Bureau’s “black” lines used for wiretapping. Some of the listed numbers were lines that FBI counterintelligence used to keep track of the suspected Israeli spy operation. The hunted were tracking the hunters.

    “It was a shock,” says an intelligence professional familiar with the FBI phone list. “It called into question the entire operation. We had been compromised. But for how long?

    This discovery by Division 5 should have come as no surprise, given what its agents had been tracking for many months. But the FBI discovered enough information to make it believe that, somehow, the highest levels of the State Department were compromised, as well as the White House and the NSC. According to Insight’s sources with direct knowledge, other secure government telephone systems and/or phones to which government officials called also appear to have been compromised.

    The tip-off about these operations — the pursuit of which sometimes has led the FBI on some wild-goose chases — appears to have come from the CIA, says an Insight source. A local phone manager had become suspicious in late 1996 or early 1997 about activities by a subcontractor working on phone-billing software and hardware designs for the CIA.

    The subcontractor was employed by an Israeli-based company and cleared for such work. But suspicious behavior raised red flags. After a fairly quick review, the CIA handed the problem to the FBI for follow-up. This was not the first time the FBI had been asked to investigate such matters and, though it was politically explosive because it involved Israel, Division 5 ran with the ball. “This is always a sensitive issue for the Bureau,” says a former U.S. intelligence officer. “When it has anything to do with Israel, it’s something you just never want to poke your nose into. But this one had too much potential to ignore because it involved a potential systemwide penetration.

    Seasoned counterintelligence veterans are not surprised. “The Israelis conduct intelligence as if they are at war. That’s something we have to realize,” says David Major, a retired FBI supervisory special agent and former director of counterintelligence at the NSC. While the U.S. approach to intelligence is much more relaxed, says Major, the very existence of Israel is threatened and it regards itself as is in a permanent state of war. “There are a lot less handcuffs on intelligence for a nation that sees itself at war,” Major observes, but “that doesn’t excuse it from our perspective.

    For years, U.S. intelligence chiefs have worried about moles burrowed into their agencies, but detecting them was fruitless. The activities of Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard were uncovered by accident, but there remains puzzlement to this day as to how he was able to ascertain which documents to search, how he did so on so many occasions without detection, or how he ever obtained the security clearances that opened the doors to such secrets. In all, it is suspected, Pollard turned over to his Israeli handlers about 500,000 documents, including photographs, names and locations of overseas agents. “The damage was incredible,” a current U.S. intelligence officer tells Insight. “We’re still recovering from it.

    Also there has been concern for years that a mole was operating in the NSC and, while not necessarily supplying highly secret materials to foreign agents, has been turning over precious details on meetings and policy briefings that are being used to track or otherwise monitor government activities. The current hush-hush probe by the FBI, and what its agents believe to be a serious but amorphous security breach involving telephone and modem lines that are being monitored by Israeli agents, has even more serious ramifications. “It has been an eye opener,” says one high-ranking U.S. government official, shaking his head in horror as to the potential level and scope of penetration.

    As for how this may have been done technologically, the FBI believes it has uncovered a means using telephone-company equipment at remote sites to track calls placed to or received from high-ranking government officials, possibly including the president himself, according to Insight’s top-level sources. One of the methods suspected is use of a private company that provides record-keeping software and support services for major telephone utilities in the United States.

    A local telephone company director of security Roger Kochman tells Insight, “I don’t know anything about it, which would be highly unusual. I am not familiar with anything in that area.

    U.S. officials believe that an Israeli penetration of that telephone utility in the Washington area was coordinated with a penetration of agents using another telephone support-services company to target select telephone lines. Suspected penetration includes lines and systems at the White House and NSC, where it is believed that about four specific phones were monitored — either directly or through remote sites that may involve numbers dialed from the complex.

    “[The FBI] uncovered what appears to be a sophisticated means to listen in on conversations from remote telephone sites with capabilities of providing real-time audio feeds directly to Tel Aviv,” says a U.S. official familiar with the FBI investigation. Details of how this could have been pulled off are highly guarded. However, a high-level U.S. intelligence source tells Insight: “The access had to be done in such a way as to evade our countermeasures … That’s what’s most disconcerting.

    Another senior U.S. intelligence source adds: “How long this has been going on is something we don’t know. How many phones or telephone systems we don’t know either, but the best guess is that it’s no more than 24 at a time … as far as we can tell.

  • NR

    @ BlueBird : “Today he is self employed and he has a company.
    METROPOLITAN TELEMANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. He lives in Noblesville near Indianapolis. Hd is 50.”

    Correct Name Is:
    Metropolitan Telemanagement Solutions
    1075 Broad Ripple Avenue # 310
    Indianapolis, IN 46220-2034

    John Scott Shirley
    President
    Indianapolis, IN

    Estimates show that the company that John Shirley works for employs 3 people and has an annual revenue of $270,000.

    John S Shirley
    President
    Thomas P Dakich
    Secretary
    Treasurer
    Kelly Herwehe
    Shareholder

    There is a John Shirley Invitational Tennis Tournament in Noblesville.

  • bluebird

    James off topic

    A question to a pilot.

    Conspiracy people always said that not even a genius pilot could have hit the towers such precisely without special flight training and remeber they were just trained on a cessna but never sat in the cockpit of an airbus or was it a boeing? U turn, distance control, etc.

    Could you do that manually in a new plane you sit in for the first time without any training? I doubt that i couldnt even do that with a truck i am driving for the first time. Were tgey genius? What do pilots say?

    Pentagon question:
    The impact is ground level. I know that plane. Without wheels being ascended the engines are lower down than the bottom of the fuselage of that very plane.

    Lets see

    When wheels ascended then it is kind of landing approach and we should find skipmarks of wheels in the grass at least from 100 meters off the impact. Nope!

    When wheels not ascended, the engines would have touched the grass and the wings and engines broken off long before impact and the plane would kind of somersaulted into the building?

    Your expert opinion welcome.

    The impact was flat angle as we could see in the video. How did they do that with a plane where engines are lower down than the fuselage of the plane when wheels not ascended?

  • James

    Firstly I am a “Biz Jet Jockey” so smaller, faster, higher.

    However, one word on that “crash”…
    the aircraft was going way too fast to start with.

    That is the reason they give for it “smashing up” into small bits.
    They forget, it couldn’t make those turns at those speeds at that level.

    You’d have found it about half a mile out ! In bits.

    If (by some miracle) it made it and to hit that building where it did (nose almost flat) the engines would be in the lawn.

    It’s all wrong, so you’d not know where to start !
    But think “speed”, and “low level”.
    One wrong move….and your on the deck.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    bluebird I’m now logged in to “Mylife” using my [one of my aliases] facebook account, and I had to scroll up on this page to find an American Zip code, and I chose indianapolis .-).

    But I cannot enter “jashirley0001″ in the searchbox, because it has to be a firstname and a surname.

  • bluebird

    Sorensen

    “john andrew shirley”

    When you can have additional search items enter:

    Noblesville
    or
    Battle Creek

  • NR

    @ Trowbridge H. Ford 18 Nov, 2012 – 8:08 am
    “And who are all the other unidentified attendees, and what do they do?”

    “…industry leaders (large and small homeland security/counterterrorism-related companies, as well as private equity investors, merchant and investment bankers, venture capitalists, and other financiers); leading thinkers (in other think tanks and academe); nationally noted print and broadcast journalists; and concerned citizens.”

    It’s like a Hollywood press junket for movie reviewers, including no-name bloggers. In this case they get to meet “stars” and are schmoozed, well fed, well drunked, well drugged and sexually accommodated (in this case compromised if possible), thrown a few crumbs of upcoming “secret” stuff so they go home and brag. Like Mrs. B. did, dropping the bit about the prisoners at Benghazi. Contact info exchanged for future use in “getting the word out” whatever the word is.

    I wonder if “concerned citizens” includes the homeless community – it should, they’ve got everyone else there. Doubt there’s any serious high-level plotting going on at all. The upper levels already know each other and take care of that securely later.

    I forgot to look if this is one of those deals organized by a promoter, where they charge a high attendance fee and then pay the top name people to put in an appearance.

  • bluebird

    James

    So give me a straight answer:

    Q: what would be your own chances as an experienced pilot sitting for the first time in an airbus 320 or in a b737, to hit the pentagon in an almost flat approach without autopilot and without flight control advise (forget about the rest of the buildings in wsshington that could be in your approaching way.

    % chance?

    What are your chances to hit one of the towers with a plane that you did never fly before, without advice of flight control and without autopilot? You get only 1 chance to hit it.

    % chance?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    “Noblesville” I could not enter, because it proposed “Nobleton, FL” instead.

    So I tried with Battle Creek and got this:

    Name & Age

    John Shirley, 50
    INpolis, IN

    Lived in

    INpolis, IN
    Battle Creek, MI
    Indianapolis, IN

    Relatives & Associates

    Ruth Bradfield
    Karen Goulet
    Brian Shirley
    Miriam Shirley
    Monserrate Shirley

  • bluebird

    Yes sorensen

    That is the guy
    Montserrat shirley is moncy shirley. That is how i could find him.

    However, yesterda i got in mylife much more.
    Born in texas, lived in battle creek from .. To, metro telemanagement systems job, etc.

    In the end they said that i should pay to read more.
    Didnt you get that text that i had yesterday with the google search?

  • NR

    @ Kenneth Sorensen 18 Nov, 2012 – 8:26 am
    “BBC apologises to Britain’s Chief Rabbi for broadcasting his unguarded comment on the Gaza crisis; he said: “I think it’s got to do with Iran actually”.

    That’s funny. The Chief Rabbi let the kittens out of the zip-lock bag [my private joke]. Why did the BBC apologise? They didn’t say it. They’re doing nothing but apologising and getting sued these days. Read the story about Lord McAlpine, who is not only suing the BBC for incorrectly hinting at his name in a scandal, but also every person who Re-Tweeted the erroneous report.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    “Didnt you get that text that i had yesterday with the google search?”

    Which text? Please specify.

    —

    With regards to “reading more” – you just need to use the old trick of disguising your IP adress. And the most effective means on doing that is “The Onion Project” ‘s Vitalia bundle , also known as the Tor Project. Free to download and use. That’s the kit that Iranians and other good folks use. And the new version has its own browser, which starts up automatically once you clock the onion icon. And one right click is enough to “change identity”, i.e. a new IP address.

  • bluebird

    I got it! Oh my god! I have the reason of the explosion! Holy shiiit!

    John a shirley was working for NASA!
    I have a PDF from nasa where he is listed in scientific research.

    And that is what was his science!
    And that is the cause of the explosion in his house.

    Gas plasma + laser!

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent_anti-Stokes_Raman_spectroscopy

    He is the NASA specialist scientist in that research field!

    Holy shit! Will they get the hint?
    Riddle solved.
    Assassination!

  • bluebird

    Sorensen. I stored the pdf already. Can i upload a pdf to icke? How?

    This john a shirley was the hardest find of all of them. He worked on a secret nasa project.

    The al hillis were essy to investigate compared to john a shirley.
    He got the knowledge of a monster weapon.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    You can always screenshot it page by page, as I did recently with one of Mochyn69/Straw’s pdf.’s (9 pages). I got it going really fast, by viewing the pdf in ‘single page mode’ and having Picasa running in the background, and set to automatically upload to Picasa web, immediately after I press PRINT SCREEN. Now that’s cool! So it was just a question on having icke opened on a new post and inserting the 9 URL’s from Picasa web.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    But of course such bitmap’s are not as high in resolution as the original pdf, so there’s perhaps not much point in going through the laboreous process of screenshotting it page by page. So just give the webadress to the padf and let people open it themselves?

    Of course if you had your own website, as I have (click on me name, and you will see an integrated pdf under “John Mearsheimer”, where I have the Comptrollers report regarding US Uranium being smuggled to Israel) – it is easy and neat to integrate a pdf there.

    Having one’s owns website is really the future in this information sharing age, we live in, – as literally millions of people have found out allready. And I recommend the free and excellent Google Sites.

  • bluebird

    Will do it later, sorensen (if they dont shoot me before)

    This is the weapon that is related to the scientific work of the neighbour house owner john a shirley (telemanagement does scientifi research, too).
    So i was right with Battle Creek and AF link. He worked for NASA.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser

    http://www.hightech-edge.com/airborne-military-laser-weapons/932/

    Thats why they talked about gas (he said this) probsbly because he knew ghat investigators would perhaps find some gas plasma hints on the scene and he was pretending that there was a gas leak so that they would not dig any deeper about the gad plasma.

  • NR

    @ James 18 Nov, 2012 – 8:42 am

    A question I’ve always wanted to ask of someone who knows the JFK conspiracies. There must have been many people taking still photos along the route. Is there a library of these pics or were they all confiscated? If they’re are available has anyone tried to use them for a 3D reconstruction of the scene? What with all the different angles, by using today’s tech and image enhancement there might be something interesting to see.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Would hardy trash the Aspen Forum as just another stop on the military-industrial junket circuit, NR, when many of the leading current covert operators were there, especially NSA Director General Keith Alexander, and Admiral Bill McRaven, current Commander of the Special Operations Command, key players in the anticipated showdown with Iran’s mullahs.

    The only other one not there, it seems, was DCI David Petraeus, though he had several former Agency leaders representing the CIA.

    The only question is: Was his ‘honey pot’ lover Paula (Krantz) Broadwell – the spook so well connected to the Hudson Institute and many of its supporters, especially Israel’s Likud Party – actually representing him herself?

    Sure seems so with all the play and placing she got there.

    This was just when she was chasing off Jill Kelley for fear that she was trying to take control of him, and then after the Benghazi fiasco, she was on tour, claiming that the problem was caused by the Agency running a torture center there – what would have thrown Obama under a bus if it had gotten traction in the campaign.

    And, of course, you have no idea who the others might be, like Scott.

  • straw44berry

    Confused here:-

    Shirley is separated from his wife, she and her boyfriend are away for the weekend.
    Somebody (2 men) go into their house and it explodes spectacularly killing the Longworths next door.

    Who is assassinated here and why?

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