The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
yea it is a bit S P O O K Y isn’t it James
19 Nov, 2012 – 1:31 am ? We discussed the implications of the names back along. Horse killer; valley of wrath/vengeance; wolf reserve etc. the date when applied to the old testament was quite interesting too 5.9.12 (book/chapter/verse) Won’t bother repeating now but the analogies are quite amazing really even if co incidental? Then again there is an Iranian source that suggests an Israeli “kidon” cell in Iraq that has been bumping off its academics very successfully since 2003 and not one arrest, prosecution or conviction. Not that difficult to fly em in to Paris, Lyon or Geneva would it be and out again before the French police have even opened the car doors?
Oh and theres a name for this name meaning stuff apparently – hermeneutics [hur-muh-noo-tiks,] noun the science of searching for hidden meaning in texts or is it exegesis????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Must be late)
@Tim
Very interesting!
Yes the paper said Sylvain body was searched after, meaning if he had pockets anywhere, they must have been turned inside out or the found alhillis blood on him too, either way, We can assume there was time to search al hillis…for thumb drive..or disks. The only discs referencced were the discs of the Quran he kept with him. It would be simple matter to replicate discs with quran cover and embed data, and leave backups hidden as well.
@Bluebird
I only quoted the Ables as witnesses/residents.
BTW Photos no 1/12/13 are here on Street View:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=8403+fieldfare+way+indianapolis&ll=39.645866,-86.099253&spn=0.008509,0.013797&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=8403+Fieldfare+Way,+Indianapolis,+Marion,+Indiana+46237&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.644905,-86.098269&panoid=6SYPAt_eBQI2ZME2TNLUkA&cbp=12,80.97,,0,-0.61
No 14 here
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So, two whole houses vanished, plus two half houses…
Looks like the one for sale,photo 38 is across the street from the latter, photo 14.
Photo 43 is here:
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Damage map here
{http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/fieldfareway.pdf}
Since then, nothing, except:
National Transportation Safety Board said investigators had found no leaks in the gas main or pipes leading into the house that exploded.
“If the investigators don’t find a crater, that pretty much means it was something other than a solid phase explosion,” [John Erickson, vice president of the American Public Gas Association] said, meaning it’s likely to be a gas explosion. But he also said such investigations can still take time.
The head of a company that does furnace repairs in Indianapolis said the blast’s size made it unlikely that it had been caused by a leaking appliance.
“One hell of a lot of gas had to be leaking out … and that’s typically not symptomatic of a furnace problem,” said Sergei Traycoff, president of Bolls Heating and Cooling. “I’ve never heard of one causing this big a blast.”
Consumers can best protect themselves by having their furnaces inspected regularly, he said.
Erickson said it was odd that the blast apparently flattened two homes side by side. Generally, if a house explodes, it will knock out the wall of the home next door, but not level it, he said. For that to occur, both homes would virtually have to have gas leaks that ignited at the same time, he said.
Glenn Olvey, 52, isn’t sure what caused the blast that wrecked his home and vehicles. But he knows his family is fortunate to be alive. The blast hurled Olvey several feet and trapped him, his wife and one of their two teenage daughters when their roof collapsed.
“I have been through car accidents, I’ve been through motorcycle accidents, I’ve been through tornadoes. I have never, never had anything like that,” he said.
Olvey said he and his wife, Gloria, have struggled knowing that the explosion killed Jennifer and John Longworth, just two doors down.
{http://www.ctpost.com/news/us/article/Investigators-looking-at-appliances-in-Ind-blast-4031390.php#ixzz2Ce96BdmN}
Spooky indeed
There are several sites that ascribe to a more conspiratorial explanation.
This is just to highlite the curious names and meanings for geographics and names.
I thought it was nicely done..I am sure a novel movie on this story will be simply epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&list=UUp9ud2YF0lXQfolbGgdkf9A&v=20Bu6pZ0HPw
Recall the move 3 days of the condor..one station of cia were wiped out..clues were in historic literature books..as a sort of code between agents..
@ Bluebird
Glenn Olvey lives at No 8343 (Kathy Frazier in your list) He is a freemason.
http://www.mastermason.com/Greenwood_Lodge_514/old/trestleBoard/TB%2004-01-09.pdf
not much MSM information.
See analysis by Idahopicker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joCaUrRLB1Y
Watch!
http://www.facebook.com/IndianapolisExplosion?ref=ts&fref=ts
This is very very interesting:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387624977980938&set=a.323094927767277.72349.100002003178019&type=1&theater
{http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-contractors-months-before-richmond-hill-returns-to-normal-20121116,0,6236972.column?track=rss}
{http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-indianapolis-south-side-disaster-one-week-later-20121118,0,3423909.story}
This is too weird for words.
FB page all about lost cats in the explosion…
{http://www.facebook.com/IndianapolisExplosion?ref=ts&fref=ts}
Here is an update about me for those posters still interested in what happened to the al-Hillis, Suhaila al-Allaf, Sylvain Mollier, Armando al-Abed, William Hershkovitz, etc, ad nauseam:
—– Original Message —–
From: “Trowbridge Ford”
To:
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:15 AM
Subject: FYI
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Trowbridge Ford”
> To:
> Cc: “John Young” ; “Mick”
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: codshit articles
>
>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> Really interesting problem, as I cannot access it either since I am not an
>> invited blogger either.
>>
>> It has all been caused by the efforts of Sam Rosenfeld aka Tommy Doheny to
>> shut me up, even threatening apparently to sue me for what I have been
>> posting there and on other sites, especially cryptome. org and slugger
>> ö’toole.
>>
>> Think it is just to scare me, especially for connecting the Mossad through
>> William Hershkovitz to the killings in France around Lake Annecy in early
>> September, and codshit.com and The Local here in Sweden have taken it
>> seriously enough to prevent me from posting on either of them.
>>
>> You can still find what I am doiing on flyingcuttlefish.word process, and
>> on Craig Murray’s blog.
>>
>> Now am thinking that the CIA helped get the Mossad to recruit poor
>> Hershkovitz as a kidon hitman, and that Paula Broadwell acted as
>> Petraeus’s representative at the Aspen Secuirity Forum in July where all
>> the old neocons like Hayden, McLaughlin, Negropone, and Alexander were
>> planning to use Hershkovitz to give Iran a bloody nose.
>>
>> Now the Israelis are giving it to Hamas and the Palestinians to help cover
>> up Washington’s attempt to throw Obama under a bus at the polls aka
>> treason.
>>
>> Am relocsting in the States in a few weeks to do more research on all
>> this, and will have more on the sites still posting me stuff along the
>> way.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Trowbridge
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:03 AM
>> Subject: codshit articles
>>
>>
>> Hello Trowbridge, I used to read your work on the Codshit blogspot. It now
>> appears that a Gmail login and an invitation is required to access the
>> Codshit blogspot. Can you offer invitations or do you have some other site
>> you can recommend to find your work? Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Scott Silber
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That is peculiar I went o FB to look for a penny Blaque a name variant penny Blaque using Penny Black..on the admin contact for the Nefertiti beauty supply or hairdresser shop listed at scotland yard blog.
as you may or may not know penny black is the first postage stamp made in UL by a Hill guy..forgot his first name…
then I got this
http://www.facebook.com/penny.black.359?fref=ts
the location is in my home town about 2 miles or 5 km or less..less..
The coincidence more than startled me..especially when now the advertisement on the Bellalabs.com link you gave says stay at home mom in conway…looks just like her! wtf.
I did a better who is to trace..but the have it very privacy locked..
amazing..
I had decided to follow that lead rather than the trail here.to prevent duplication and we had several directions or leads we could take…particularly when I saw the Petraeus thing with the twins.pointing the kelley girl to florida and PA ..I decided to stay away from that one..
http://scotlandyard.blogspot.com/
anyway..I don’t want my face to appear on any postage stamp right now thank you.
hehe
That was me Tim, I suggested maybe Mollier was searched, can’t remember why,maybe because someone said he’d been moved or turned over…… due to him having bullets in the chest & back.
James.
I’d suggest that means orders emanating from Paris.
@ James
“NR : “I put “Ronny”…and Ronald Reagan, but my post didn’t seem to carry that.”
Did not know about Reagan & the Taliban. Did not mean to insult the Taliban by naming them part of “The Terrorist Community”. From their side of the looking glass they are in “The Freedom Fighter Community”.
With talk of encoded secret meanings in the names & numbers all around the Chevaline murders, I heard of Reagan sending an Ayatollah a cake, a key and a Bible. Did anyone every decode what that meant? If I were an Ayatollah I wouldn’t eat cake sent by someone I’d been calling the Great Satan.
If Masonics or Illuminatis are mixed up in any recent events, look for owls, like at Bohemian Grove, on t-shirts, murals, names, statues, etc. Masonic murders traditionally occur under bridges, or there’s a geometric component, like 360 or 180, squares, triangles, etc., or masonry items like rock, tile. Or a single eye. All used as a warning to their enemies in the know, plus an open display of power to their fellow members. 🙂
If the Aleister Crowley bunch and Ordo Templi Orientis are causing things, there should be three thumps, or better still nine, which means a Magikal Great Working. That’s what Jack Parsons at Cal Tech and the Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena, California tried. Don’t remember if that was before or after he allegedly met Rob Hubbard the inventor of Scientology. Have I left anyone out? Oh, the Moonies and LaRouchians, except I haven’t heard they bother with symbols. 🙂
Smurfs and Schtroumpfs are something else, don’t know what yet, but they portend even more ominous events than owls. 🙂
Hi Katie it originated here
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/20/french-alps-murder-mystery-s-forensic-breakthrough.html
The first shots at Mollier didn’t kill him, based on his autopsy report and his trail of blood on the ground. Instead, investigators theorize that the assassin disabled the cyclist—perhaps intentionally keeping him alive—and then turned fire to the al-Hillis. According to the report, Saad al-Hilli then scrambled back into the family car, locked the doors and frantically threw the vehicle into reverse, backing into a muddy bank where the rear axel got stuck. Little Zainab never made it back into the car. The assassin then pistol-whipped and shot her before turning to al-Hilli, his wife, and mother-in-law, shooting them while they were in the car, and finishing each off with two shots to the forehead. Then, according to the investigators’ theory, the assassin went back to Mollier and fired the final two fatal shots into the cyclist’s cranium. They believe the assassin then searched the body and moved it closer to the car before escaping.
Hope that helps..
” …threw the vehicle into reverse, backing into a muddy bank where the rear axel got stuck”.
There it is again !
The car can only be stuck, if it was trying to move forwards and was unable to.
But WBM said it was in reverse, that’s why he had to break the shattered window, to turn the engine off.
Morning SYS.
Many thanks, I hadn’t read that when I wrote it, very interesting, maybe the daily beast is reading here too . 😉
@ NR that was good one..You have the Order of Golden Dawn infiltrated the Greek Police.bullying immigrants…I would not be surprised we start hearing of death squads like Argentina, guatemala, etc..and Right wing “true patriots” running the Gypsies out of France…
You had Military inlitrated by Alqaeda..Nancy Reagan liked doing things by numbers..it’s true..A mystic brought down the Czar
I am surprised the Gendarme never say..could it have been another policeman..or group like that mystery gang someone wrote a book about..
This site…most unusual..What do the lalala che bouaad videos of Lydia Ringot mean..
was she Slavic? I am lost on that one..
I did a translate from French to English on whole page..and her name went from Lydia Ringot to Lydia Becket..who is in UK..more internet noise?
http://www.le-site-de.com/photos-videos/ringot-lydia_59849.html
@ bluebird 18 Nov, 2012 – 1:06 pm
From the LaRouche quote: “… we’re headed toward a thermonuclear warfare. If it occurs, it will be global.”
How long to rebuild after that? Going on 3 weeks after storm and there’s still places without power in New York City, the center of civilization, by New Yorkers’ reckoning anyways.
You said: “I was searching for some previous killings closely related to the LaRouche movements and then I found that one.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jeremiah_Duggan
I posted this before: “In 1972 LaRouche’s common-law wife, Carol Schnitzer, left him for a young member of the London NCLC chapter named Christopher White… For LaRouche, it was a crushing blow. His first wife Janice had similarly walked out on him… taking with her the couple’s young son.”
[This supposedly explains LaRouche’s hatred of England and the MIs. He claimed White was programmed by the SIS and later had White kidnapped and tortured – I mean, deprogrammed. Didn’t kill him though. White had kidnappers arrested.]
@ James Yes!! WBM is untruthing! he said spin in reverse! how it get stuck I would never hire him to rearrange furniture based on his performance with all the bodies..I like the recovery position for the girl too..soundds like he put her on life support..was that like fetal positon or raise legs..I don’t know..raise legs would make blood go to head where she bled..maybe leaving her alone was it.
Possible reasons to move Sylvains body –
If he were only injured moved around the car to put in the empty seat but only if the Al-hillis were still alive. Then before being able to drive away the nearside rear tyre was shot at.
Sys
Cheb Bouaa is a Maroc singer who strongly supports Palestine issues.
He was born in Algier and partly lives in Brussels and he works for RAI Marocco.
http://musique.arabe.over-blog.com/m/article-48014997.html
Lydia is perhaps another Lydia or else she is Lydia Ringot who is singing the French part in that song. Perhaps she is a hobby singer. We remember the STRONG Mahreb/Marocco links of both families Mollier and Ginolet! Particularly the young Mollier and the filmmaker (larouche supporter and animal rights activist) lived in Marocco for some time.
Perhaps Lydia is a hobby singer?
Here is a translation of her song by “Viva Palestine”.
http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/arabic-lyrics-translation/97056-lydia-feat-bouaa-la-la-la.html
Ask bluebird when you have such problems. Result here in 5 minutes.
Ringot is wrongly translated to Becket by translation software. Forget that.
Also, some websites identify your IP and will present you ads with ghemes close to where you live. Forget that, too.
But the song is a great link from you. Thank you. So we definitely know that they strongly support the Palestine case! LaRouche?!?
Sys
I will watch her Marx Brothers clip to find out if ghere is a coded political statement. That clip just does not fit logic. Can anybody help me please?
Sys
Forget the videos, too. They are software created by a random search on youtube for Lydia. Those are not her own choices, i suppose but it is obviously a random search for lydia. No relevance at all. The marx brothers clio confirmed that there is no relevance.
Forget it. Pity, because the marocco link would have supported a theory. But it means nothing.
Wondered why WBM said he was “ex RAF”, not “ex BA”.
Derek Reed was the chap at SSTL that said Saad wouldn’t have had to sign the O.S. act.
He’s also ex RAF (1971 to 1996).
Lots alot of “Raffy’s”.
Wonder if WBM was saying something ??
@ Sys 19 Nov, 2012 – 9:33 am
“@ NR that was good one..You have the Order of Golden Dawn infiltrated the Greek Police.bullying immigrants…”
Forgot about them. Fah Fah Mah and all that. Trouble is, none of the murders related to Chevaline are properly ritualistic – ice-pick to the nape of the neck, followed by 47 stab wounds and the neck severed, but spine intact, etc. No cannibalism or anyone drinking blood that we’ve heard of.
Maybe the old orders are modernizing – shootings, bombings, lasers, directed energy weapons and missiles. No sense of tradition. Mel Gibson wouldn’t approve.
James
Nothing found regarding WBM’ human resspurce grouo that he apparently did found for pilots, etc.? Nothing on the web, so i thought you could have other access than we have. Ask your workers union representatives regarding that? Or else is that existing in australia only?
Perhaps you could email one of the other speakers of that august 2012 conference asking him a professional question about the human ressource theme and whether or not he could recommend brett martin?
James
Although you said that the pentagon impact is “nada”:
I have a question regarding ground effect that you have mentioned.
Please tell me whether or not this is correct:
A plane cannot fly below wingspan distance off ground in a flat angle at high speed due to the ground effect. You will have to reduce speed to (at least) ?? xxx Mph ?? For being able to get closer to the ground than your wingspan is.
What is the wingspan of an A320 or B737.
Above pentagon roof level?
James pls. Verify or update. Thanks.