The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Strawberry..
I have no idea, hence I was asking you !
You noted earlier today about a “roof rack” and then mentioned the “roof box” you had used.
That’s when I went “Ahhh” !
It has bothred me from day one. Now the marks make sense.
But why carry a roof box when you have a caravan ???
You can see the overhang but also the space for the dusty air to be forced beneath it
http://www.roofbox.co.uk/roof-boxes/
If SAH across the border how often would he be asked to open the roof box?
Thanks Marlin
21 Nov, 2012 – 4:18 am Your contribution is much appreciated.
I quite agree if we rule out WBM’s account as unreliable other possibilities appear. I start from the position that we should jettison as a first step only those bits of the story that can be proved to be untrue.
I think his account of seeing Mollier first falls into that category, as undoubtedly in my book, Mollier lay not in the position shown by all the published graphics but BEHIND the car and out of sight line coming up the hill. This I think proves SAH unreliable at least.
Now you suggestion that he made up his story that Mollier passed him, I haven’t included in my time line as I have based it on what has been said but I have considered it. It has the advantage that it allows WBM to arrive later than he otherwise would. But is the line that it would excuse him following sufficient reason for him to make it up?
Not sure about that. After all if a cyclist is always way in front you don’t actually know he’s there normally which counters the suggestion of stalking anyway. Nor for that matter had he any need to mention the Green 4×4 if he was part of a conspiracy. Better for him to lie and say he saw nothing.
As to his state of mind I agree he must have been far more frightened and panicked than he gives the impression in his interview. Again Didierjean if part of a conspiracy would have sung from the same script i wud suggest.
If WBM did arrive later rather than sooner, rushed his time at the scene and scarpered off down the hill meeting Didierjean it could fit. But then you would have to explain his account of Zainab, who if indeed was staggering when he came upon her, reinforces the recency of the attack – perhaps 5/10 mins most – which to repeat, if gunshots can be trusted, must have been about 3.40 at the latest.
If SAH went over regularly (would need a good excuse like Cern) this border is 50 yards away they would soon stop checking thoroughly if at all?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Cern&aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D16&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl
@ James roof rack:
Just had a quick look at Icke’s site.
It has been discussed there around here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061037484
May be you can find more there?
Because of possible dirt/dust on the roof- I didn’t realize that so far. Don’t see any pics online which would be so close and clear to make that out.
Can you link me to one?
To me, it wouldn’t make sense to put the bikes in the caravan and other things in a box on top of the car. But that’s somehow up to personal preferences.
At least, there’s a pics of SAH’s BMW with bikes on top. From earlier holiday.
(BTW: where does this come from, and the 2nd with the 2 girls cyling tandem-like?? Hardly to believe that THEY were so open to offer us any pics beside the one or two of SAH)
Questionmarks allover…
Anybody care to follow the bear?
http://littleyellowbear.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/annecy/
Shelock if you look at Ickes 989 post on that page u linked. Click on the photo Press down CTRL and while holding it down tap the + key the photo gets larger.
Strawberry….
The BMW does have crossbars fitted to it, so it’s possible it is a roofbox.
Now can we find a roofbox that leaves two pieces of “plastic” behind on the crossbars ?
Maybe its extra security for the box, if its left on the car overnight.
You maybe have to open the box and unlock it from these pieces….they then may remain attached to the car ?
I would suggest starting with the Thule brand so interchangeable with the bike rake.
Thanks Strawberry for the hint!
Don’t see there more dirt – to me, looks like shadow and bad quality of the pic itself.
Anyhow, would it make a difference, if there had been a box or bikes?
Interesting is – at least to me- the missing bar
The first time I saw that pics 2 months ago – this was the frist that sprung into my eyes. Wondering, what he had put into this missing part to be covered eg when crossing boarders or police controlling. To me, that would be a good place to hide sth.
May be nothing sinister at all and it has only been broken- nothing more than that
Who knows….
@Straw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN
Tunnels and buildings on the French side would eliminate the need to provide a passport to cross into Switzerland for those with the right CERN access papers. One tunnel in particular is used to transport supplies from the French side of the border.
Shelock,
The bonnet is far shinier than the roof and that points to a roof box. The bonnet being washed by any rain the roof cant be cleaned under the box, which is why it is still so dirty.
It isnt a great photo when zoomed in this far.
On this page -Medium wide/Family it appears to be possible to have a box and a bike, doesnt it?
Shelock..
That’s the point. It does matter.
On the previous holoday snap, he has a tandem on the roof and a childs bike on the caravan.
Did he take the tamdem again ? Or was he carrying a roofbox ?
Is the “plastic” that remains on the roof, part of a roofbox which has been quickly “removed” ?
I did note that the caravan he had was a “European” one, not a UK one. He is “known” to holiday in the region a lot. Did he leave the caravan in Europe…and drive down with a roofbox on top of the car ?
There is no information from the police, so I guess all we have to go on are the pictures.
From the dirt on the roof of the car I can only assume that recntly the BMW had a roofbox attached to it. And by the amount of dirt, it was on for some time (or for a long journey).
Where is it now ? Was it on that afternoon ?
@NR: Is it possible that a Tesla toaster was used in Indianapolis?
http://www.grandunification.com/hypertext/Tunguska_Explosion.html
The box and bike doesnt work because the offside is as dirty as the nearside. No joy yet with the right roof box type.
okay, James – so it does matter!!
But let me know what YOU think it has to do with the crime itself?
Where your thoughts/estimations are going to?
BTW and off topic: I’ve heard of a case, where somebody put the body of the deseased mother (or grandmother) in such a box, as she’d died whilst on holiday….
I’m glad the CERN connection to Saad al-Hilli has come up again.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120202021448AAlcUlT
Considering John Dion Longworth and radio frequencies, his work with plasma lights, the Stray Light Optical Technologies connection in the same industrial complex as an organization which promotes drones to the US military, Indy Audio’s office in the Purdue Technology Center (other interesting companies there), is it possible that Tesla technology could link SAH and Dion Longworth, given what we know about where Tesla’s secrets ended up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html
Indiana is a hotbed for military contractors doing research and testing, This has come to our attention after the death of Dion Longworth.
Weapons kill people, but knowledge of weapons technology can do the same.
The al-Hilli story even had a Serbian/Serbian weapon in the beginning. Maybe it was the ghost of Tesla himself.
Shelock…
Firstly I don’t know if he had a roof box on or not.
But if he had…and it was on that afternoon, what was in it ?
Was what was in it the thing that the killer(s) wanted ?
Therefore torn off by them after the shootings.
WBM said he turned the car engine off. If the key to the box was on the ignition key and you needed that key to open the box inorder to remove it from the rails…then it could have been torn of instead.
But how much force would be needed ??? Probably a lot !
If that isn’t the case (due to the amount of force required) then could it have been “removed” in some other way ?
Lets say by hitting a low branch or other low hanging object.
If so, then where ? The car park ? Or some other place ?
Then it could be said that the crime scene is indeed “like Hollywood”, as the actual crime could have taken place somewhere completely different.
One thing can be said however, no one in the media has asked Eric about the “broken roof rack”…nor has Eric ever mentioned it.
That fact is very strange.
James,
there is one link (there are many others but they are all pre-2003) that show the business connections between Sharon, Arafat, and his lawyer Dov Weisglass. Yes, Weisglass was the lawyer of Arafat AND at the same time he was the lawyer of Sharon. If it wouldn’t be that crazy, that the “terrorist” and the “terrorist’s victim” had the same lawyer, who apparently was also a “Victim of the PLO terror”, I wouldn’t mention that.
So you see: All our politics have nothing todo with race, nations or religions. This is all about money. It’s just the people who are made to believe (by our brainwashing, continuously lying media) that they are apparently fighting a war for their race, for their religions, for “God” (whoever that “God” might be, so do we fight because of our sun?), or for their nations. Why do they do that? Because nobody would die in a war for the money of the rich. Would they? However, brainwashed people would even die for the “good thing”. They never tell them the truth about that “good thing”, though.
Here’s the link:
http://rense.com/general33/sharohg.htm
We have to look at ALL wars since 1900 from only one point of view and that is: “Cui bono?” It’s all about money, and so will be the next war about money and a war between two groups: “Imperialism” versus “Nationalism”. Unfortunately for those who believe that wars are like sports between two teams. Wars are not sports between two teams, since the members of each team don’t really know to what team they belong. One minute they are fighting for one team while the next minute they might fight for the other team. They are just brainwashed instruments for those who care about their money and their power most, and that’s NOT our politicians. They are just the muppets representing the warlords.
Just some info regarding the above link:
That Austrian bank was BAWAG
The New York agency was REFCO.
There was a BIG scandal with Refco and BAWAG went bankrupt because of Refco’s fraud, while losing the whole money of the Austrian workers union (approx. an american billion of Euros). Apparently BAWAG (“Austrians union of workers bank”) was the money laundering machine for the Palestinian PLO money beginning from mid 1970tees towards their infamous end.
Martin Schlaff is an Austrian/Jewish business man and a long time buddy of the Russians, particularly during the times of Russian communism in the 1970tees. Due to German sources he worked as an intelligence officer for East German Stasi as “IG Landgraf”. He was apparently also one of the best friends of Arafat and a friend of Abu Nidal and perhaps he had constructed their financial issues, too. He is very powerful and dangerous with his brother apparently organising South African mercenaries. He stands above Austrian politics and laws and he is completely untouchable because he stands under the umbrella and care of Russia.
For the uninitiated like me Sys 21 Nov, 2012 – 1:25 am just a word of explanation would not go amiss. By Jupiter! Is that thunder I hear?
More on the Indiana connection to Iraq:
http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/articles/2010/12/10/10613
If Indiana wants you, don’t go back there.
http://www.space4peace.org/uav/indiana_connections.htm
According to a witness in the Daily mail he had a mountain bike on the roof when he arrived , that was still at the campsite after the murder as I saw it in the tent the police were using .
So he could have added something else to the roof .
“Dutch woman Sandy Rombout, 39, said the Al-Hillis had arrived at the site on the shores of Lake Annecy at around 4pm on Monday in their dark-red BMW, which had a mountain bike on a roof rack.
‘They had a small caravan and pitched a large tent to one side and a second tent at the back,’ she said.
‘They seemed like a normal nice family. The kids were playing outside the caravan and the dad came out and was showing the younger one how to ride her bike.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/French-Alps-shooting-Police-question-Saad-Al-Hillis-brother-Zaid-inheritance-row.html#ixzz2CskmqKze
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Wnsutd6oaZAJ:www.purdue.edu/discoverypark/main/assets/pdfs/dptour/Discovery%2520Park%2520Undergraduate%2520Research%2520Internships.pdf+&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjtb2W6nR0g-S9qpyo59SOecDg8jsTwQoWR9HgTQX-au1QdRKZcFmCeJVAw1_EIRjMsmj__4KmbRscEFAmBOJVlq2gU8HMYOWwyZJ7lCVMI-WEiqgQzWSqGYhJ6rE9DpyMu_Wt1&sig=AHIEtbTHdGWPUpC8ewHvhnzwqcT6O3MezQ
Sensors, environmental research, earth science and hazard monitoring: the drone swarms sound a lot like SSTL’s satellite constellations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Satellite_Technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_ERAST_Program
It’s not just stars in the sky.
Q
Thanks for your recent link (above). That makes sense.
quote:
“The Pentagon claims that the drone attacks are an ideal strategy for eliminating Al Qaeda members”
Weren’t those who helped the 9/11 script to happen (technicians, drone pilots, mercenaries, highjackers) all of them ALCIADA members. Oh well, sorry, I mistyped and that doesn’t sound very good and it is tough to spell while you’re talking to your buddy. I meant to say ALCAIDA memebers. Doesn’t look like an Arab name, does it? Of course I meant the ALQAIDA members. Oh yes, Good! That looks Arab and it spells identically. Of course originally my intention had been to say: “Weren’t all of them who were involved in 9/11 those “Al(ien) CIA Da(tabase)” members?”
@Bluebird:
Strange coincidence: Surgeon Scott Kelley (Jill’s husband) is being sued by the family of a Florida pilot who had worked as a flight instructor. The lawsuit alleges that the pilot’s death resulted from a surgery performed by Kelley.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/medicine/article1261489.ece
http://www.gleim.com/cfi/steven-b-schubert?7027117#avTab%3D7027117
Breaking news in “Longworth” case:
Search warrant issued for the home of Bob Leonard, a relative of Mark Leonard. White van missing.
http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Prosecutor-Search-warrants-issued-in-Indy-blast-180273201.html
Pink
Cheers for that.
Although the dirt on the roof of the car doesn’t seem consistent with carrying one bike.
The daughters bikes (I assume they brought both) would have been in the caravan, I guess.
and as there are two rails (well one and a bit) I guess he carried two bikes.
He was carrying some kit !
Three bikes, two tents, clothes for three adults and two children.
The dirt on the roof is still strange.
Also “re read” this….
“In fact, the penny dropped only when a fellow holidaymaker at the lakeside Le Solitaire du Lac campsite told police the family had two children”.
“He (Lt-Col Vinnemann) said that when the officers realised their mistake, three detectives were helicoptered to the scene with others following in a car”.
So the Grenoble forensics that arrived at 8pm didn’t start work.
And the “Paris” team of “special, specialists forensics” hadn’t arrived yet!
It still doesn’t explain why the Grenoble team didn’t start work.