Bombing Is Good For You 325

If bombing a country really made it better, we would have made a paradise of Iraq by now. Instead it is a total disaster, with access to electricity, drinking water, education and health services all far worse than they were before we started bombing it. That is even without the growth of the Caliphate, or ISIS, a direct result first of our deposing Saddam and conniving in the intolerant Shia rule of Maliki, and then of our connivance in arming and funding anyone willing to fight Assad.

So now we are told we have to bomb Iraq yet again, and this time, finally, that will make it all better. There are two extraordinary contradictions in the British position.

1) The justification in international law given by the neo-cons for the current bombing of Iraq is that it is at the invitation of the government of Iraq. But simultaneously they propose to bomb Syria to attack the government of Syria. This is the most astonishing hypocrisy.

2) The Caliphate forces were encouraged and trained by the CIA initially. They continue to be massively financed from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. In fact, the Caliphate is still funded to a massive degree from the very states who are currently bombing them alongside the United States – Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE. It is the ruling families of those states which are attacking ISIS in an official capacity, who are financing ISIS in a private capacity. The BBC manages to avoid any mention of Saudi funding for ISIS. The interests of the City of London are, as always, the most important factor for the British establishment.

The security state here in the UK needs the “War on Terror” to justify its continued existence and the power and jobs of those who administer it. One thing that is certain to keep the conflict going, and thus keep the security state going, is for us to start bombing the Middle East again.

The right wing old crawler Menzies Campbell just came on the BBC to support British bombing. Stand by to see the Unionist parties united in neo-imperialist brotherhood.

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325 thoughts on “Bombing Is Good For You

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  • Ishmael

    Normally quite complaint, amongst absurdity, I’m going to loose all remaining respect for this system of government if they do not do there proper job.

    That is serving the interests of the people in this country. This would be a blatant violation of that tattered social contract between citizen and sate.

  • Republicofscotland

    A disabled Labour Party member claims she and others were ejected from their reserved seats in order to make room for “bright young things” at the party’s conference in Manchester on Tuesday.

    I noticed at the end when Ed did walk past there were all the bright young things sitting in the disabled reserved seats and shaking hands with him,” she said, “while we couldn’t get anywhere near him.”

    “Disabled and careers were not mentioned in the speech at all and the feeling among us all of literally not having a seat at the table was very strong,” Ms Horton said.

    “I am flabbergasted that the Labour party are treating its delegates as second class citizens.


    Labour the caring people’s party, no wonder the “Red Tories” in Scotland are bleeding members left right and centre.

  • glenn_uk

    @Peacewisher: You ask why Saudi Arabia wants to bankroll militant wahhabism. Have you considered their motives, beyond entertainment? The Saudis might well prefer the dispossessed and downtrodden in that area of the world to look at westerners, Americans particular and Jews especially to be the enemy, rather than consider how little the royal families are doing except enriching themselves. They do this not only at the expense of their own neighbours, but with the connivance of Western interests.

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    Did NO voters really intend the Status Quo? Oh well….

    “In what amounted to a rallying cry to MPs to back military action when Parliament is recalled on Friday, the prime minister warned that Britain must not be so “frozen with fear” of repeating the mistakes of the Iraq war that it failed to take on the “psychopathic, murderous, brutal” jihadis.

    Amid speculation that RAF planes could join US and French allies in bombarding IS targets as early as this weekend, Cameron declined to discuss when the operation might begin or how long it would last, but acknowledged that it could take “quite a long time”.

    He said he was “confident” of receiving support from the three major parties in the parliamentary vote, avoiding the embarrassment of a repeat of last year’s defeat over plans to bomb Syria”

  • Ishmael

    This is where forceful nationalism gets a bit messed up. Those who embrace it must know in there gut this is ‘not our fight’. There is some kind of honour in it.

    Should be a lot of internal resistance from uk society.

    See it’s not a sign of strength it’s a sign of weakness. We should be helping the casualties and civilians in Iraq, and stay out of issue created by giving the same ‘help’. Society’s can’t and won’t find any more stability while there is major foreign interference.

    Tomorrow uk society is going to have to live with what’s resulting, leaders don’t seem to consider this future stuff do they. All this utter vitriolic nonsense every, bloody, time. Pushing the fear and hatred. Yes big brother, we know.

  • Gutter

    Tony M:

    Personally I’m relieved and pleased that you and I continue to be compatriots.

    You are evidently having great fun at the moment splashing about in your little puddle of nationalist bile, but how long are you going to keep that up? You could continue to sulk, for the rest of your life, but that helps no-one.

    You say you hate those who hold power over us, but you also hate those like me who urge you to join with likeminded others to try to oust the bastards democratically.

    What are you pinning your hopes on, then, a left-wing military coup?

    For goodness sake, get a grip, there’s an election coming up.

    There is hunger for change throughout the UK. We all need to acknowledge each other and turn that hunger into something positive and uniting. If we’re not careful the mood will be hijacked by the SNP and UKIP, those two shiny new parties of the Establishment, and we will be divided and distracted and the moment will have passed.

    And then it will be business as usual for the parasitic elites.

  • glenn_uk

    @Tony M : “And what form did your fight for the common man take. You sided with the Conservative & Unionist Party, New Labour, the LibDems, US neo-cons, the City of London, the banks, corporate giants and multinationals, the BNP, EDL, the Orange Order, Ulster Unionists, the National Front and so on.

    Well said. This also goes for the likes of The Independent, which likes to put itself over as progressive and, well, “independent”. Clearly it’s not – it has been a consistent establishment stooge. Which makes me very hesitant about buying it (or the Guardian/Observer) anymore, tbh – if they’ll do propaganda work this blatantly, what else can you trust them about? When else are they feeding you the standard line?

  • Gutter

    I suppose George Galloway’s Respect Party and the Communist Party, who both also urged a ‘no’ vote, are Establishment stooges too?

    Get over your childish sulk, rejoin society, and help us get left-wing representatives into Parliament in 2015.


  • glenn_uk

    Come on, Gutter, you know full well some groups might have had their own reasons for wanting a NO vote. The Socialist Workers movement wanted a YES, as it happens. Are you actually trying to deny that The Establishment threw its entire weight behind a NO vote, and that we didn’t see its lackeys fall obediently into line?

    You might see a choice only between a “childish sulk” and rejoining society – doubtless in some happy-clappy “ain’t democracy wonderful?” ushering in of yet more neo-con warmongering, corporate and monied-class stooges. Personally, I don’t find your version of “rejoining society” very assuring.

    I wonder how long you were in what you’d deem a “childish sulk” over our invasion and occupation of Iraq (assuming you didn’t welcome it)?

  • fred

    “I don’t know what referendum you watched, but it certainly wasn’t the Scottish one, though your tribalistic animosity shows exactly how you feel about the Scottish residents who voted yes.”

    I watched the Scottish one where the Nationalists lost the vote.

  • Republicofscotland

    If they can’t see that people voted No because they like being British then nothing they can say about Syria can have any credibility.

    FRED +++++++

    I had to laugh when I read your above comment, as if Westminster have any credibility over Syria, Iraq, or even Afghanistan, yet the likes of you have the audacity to question the SNP over Syria when the SNP voted against the invasion of Iraq.

    I’m afraid your credibility is at rock bottom ,Mr Rule Britannia.

  • Peacewisher

    @Glenn_Uk re Saudi govt/Royal Family

    Simon Jenkins but it even stronger on Channel 4 news… said they were using Western nations’ military as their servants (but used more colourful language). Apparently, they’ve put just 4 of their jets into the coalition.

  • Savile's boys

    The fact that UK propaganda persona Gutter is still here is a heartening indication that rigging the independence vote with media deception has done nothing for the UK’s lack of legitimacy. Gutter now has the conn on suppressing self-determination as settled, and diverting it to state-authorized incrementalism fixating on partisan politics. The quaint pretense of leftist leanings is especially entertaining, such as invitations to some state-sanctioned middle-class easter parade. If gutter was a real peacenik he’d be taking a hammer to some Tornados at Coningsby but he’s not, he’s just some pedophile at MI5.

  • fred

    “I’m afraid your credibility is at rock bottom ,Mr Rule Britannia.”

    Anybody who wants to read your posts over the last few months and compare them to mine with regards to what actually happened is welcome, Mr Holocaust denial.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “Survivors of sex abuse dismayed, at Lord Mayor of London Fiona Woolf’s links to Leon Britten. Lord Britten, was at the centre of the scandal,…”

    Can you not get even the simplest things right, ROHD?

    It’s Leon Brittan, not Britten.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    Should you really be questioning other posters’ credibility when you can’t even spell the names of the people you’re posting about correctly?

    You’ll be damning Great Britten next! 🙂

  • Peacewisher

    @RoS: Isn’t Fiona Wolf going to be overseeing the child abuse inquiry?

    @Habby: stop trying to divert something potentially important with a spelling mistake…

  • mark golding

    Khorasan is featured in the MI5 propaganda comic Daily Wail here:

    The group is the pre-cursor to a ‘terrorist strike’ in various locations in Iran according to intelligence based on Muhsin al-Fadhli the so called Iran-based senior al-Qaida facilitator and financier. He has reportedly replaced Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil (better known as Yasin al-Suri) as al-Qaida’s senior leader in Iran.

    Block 4 Modified TLAM-N 200KT nuclear tomahawk cruise missiles is within one Iran hit scenario presented to Royal Navy defence gurus. No time frame has been established for this strike by reason of Putin’s back-door admission Russia is moving to defend a nuclear confrontation.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “@Habby: stop trying to divert something potentially important with a spelling mistake…”

    I could answer by saying that precisely because something’s potentially important, it deserves proper spelling.

    Anyway, how do you know that the comment in question wasn’t itself an attempt to divert from the theme of Craig’s post? It was certainly off-topic, wasn’t it.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Great pic of the starlings, John. They have so much colour this time of year.
    And those two shots of a mistle-thrush are brilliant. They ought to have a caption. It’s like road runner from the cartoon at full pelt before he hits the brakes when he spots Wily Coyote’s latest Acme anvil-trap suspended over the road.

  • Winston

    Small tail wagging dog

    One Woman Helped Prevent Iran War
    US ambassador to UN admits the plan is to overthrow Assad
    VIDEO: Gen. Wesley Clark In 2007: “Goal Is To Take Out 7 Countries In 5 Years”
    Gen. Wesley Clark said in a 2007 interview that America’s objective is to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.

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