The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Hot find
Humphrie’s wife is a teacher at TRINITY SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN in Tampa.
Now, i am not an expert, but isnt
TRINITY = SCIENTOLOGY?????? True or false?
Please verify. That would be the first confirmation regarding Scientology with the Kelleys.
That would be something …
Question
What do you think?
Is Gloria Allred (now representing the Khawams) a Scientology lawyer?
Yes or No?
http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/john-travolta-sue-malicious-prosecution-327099
@ Pink 7.58 pm
Yes the route would go within 6 miles of Ninove
Also did he have a connection with Nicholas Mockford, this route uses the ring road around Brussels.
@ bluebird
I don’t think Trinity = Scientology schools. Don’t know where they send their kids, but there’s this one in Los Angeles:
Religious affiliation: Nonsectarian Grades: K-12
School Type: Coeducational, day school
Comments: Delphi Academy offers an educational approach using the Delphi program. This proprietary method was developed by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.
Didn’t see anything that says Gloria Allred is COS. OJ Simpson’s prosecutor in the criminal trial, Marcia Clarke, was one though, or at least was married to her second husband in a Scientology wedding. Meanwhile, her first husband, an Israeli, and professional gambler, played hi-stakes backgammon with OJ and was shot and paralyzed. There was speculation Clarke had a personal grudge against OJ. [end of trivia]
@strawberry
Ninove is where the Keshe institute is I wonder if Saad called in there for a visit or if he was going to go to Sep 6th meeting ,the Keshe institute wouldnt hurt Saad but if he was helping them it might have been a problem , Mr Keshe appears to be committed to preventing war and supports Iran .
To me it looks like a likely link between SM, SAH and WBM as they are all linked to things that Mr.Keshe is doing, I could see WBM being used to follow them with his knowledge of Boeing and development weapons or perhaps guard them if he is in security now something along those lines .
I saw this put on the facebook page as part of a response by the webmaster to complaints they are not showing enough proof.
“The Keshe foundation is very aware of the critics that we don’t show enough proof.
Understand that we’re trying to find ways to change this paradigm. We don’t want anybody killed for showing the new technology. And believe me, this will be the case if we further show evidence. We have seen this many times before and we don’t have to be naïve about it!
We have been and are being blocked, are being shadowed and have been threatened. Not only Mr Keshe, but also other members of the foundation (I can assure you this).
Also, the foundation is fully developing the technology. We cannot just bring anything public as we wish.”
29 june
{https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keshe-Foundation/126388777468892}
This is a long read if anyone wants to give it a go.
August 5th 2012
{http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/tag/keshe-foundation/}
bluebird 23 Nov, 2012 – 11:06 pm
“The grenade was an old serbian army grenade and sidney shot the policeguy with a 1935 constructed Magnum .357”
Now that’s interesting. An rapper, jihadist and alleged terrorist in France using old grenades and rare vintage weapons.
“… the first revolvers (referred to as “.357 Magnum Models”) were completed by S&W on April 8, 1935.”
“Each early Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum was, by today’s standards, a custom-made gun. Customers could specify a barrel length from 3.5 inches to 8.75 inches in any increment of 1/4 inch. A number of different sight design choices were also offered. And, the purchaser could choose between two hammer styles. Every aspect of the new .357 Magnum revolver was uncompromised with respect to quality, fit, and finish.”
I would think one of these would be valuable indeed.
Arms and the Dudes
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-stoner-arms-dealers-20110316
A long – 9 pages – interesting read about how two stoner teens in Miami become, for a while, big-time arms dealers with a US$300,000,000 Pentagon contract. Trying to become the next Khashoggi. Gives the flavour of how byzantine the arms biz is today.
Tim you give detailed timing there of the knowns, but we do not know the Police chain of command, are we to believe that emergency services go to a call out without a decision maker or anyone in a position to take control of the scene ?
In other words on arrival at such a crime scene the head honcho, driver [?] has to then contact head office for instructions before he can do anything like open car doors to check for life?
This cannot be right , they are supposed to be an emergency life saving team…….why would such a team have to make a phone call before proceeding ?
I am seriously beginning to think that it was in fact one of the Al Hillis who alerted the security services saying they were under attack…….this is the only explanation for the turnout from Paris regardless of the flimsy excuse given by Maillaud about hearing over the wires etc.
If I’m right surely this firmly indicates AH was working with/for or protected by, Mi5 ?
http://www.rhizome.org/editorial/tags/e-flux/
“For example, if I start talking about the First Amendment, you know what I mean, within this current context of our conversation. I mean the First Amendment of the United States. But what does that mean? It’s simply an abstraction of something. But what if the First Amendment was only in digital form, and someone like Nadhmi Auchi made an attack on that piece of text and made it disappear forever, or replaced it with another one?”
Really interesting that this thread was again taken down on the afternoon of November 22nd when the legal analogy regarding the massacre and the murder of Xavier Baligant was getting trashed, even by Ferret, and was not being taken over by irrelevant comments about the anniversary of the JFK assassination.
The legal analogy still has a basis if one considers the killings of Shias, and William Hershkovitz’s murder of one of them, Armando al-Abed.
Will look into Hershkovitz’s possible interest in guns when I go to the States in three weeks.
Most interested in finding out if he joined local gun clubs, like ones in New Paltz when he attended SUNY there – what would have required his joining the NRA, as far as I can determine.
This would have provided him with the credentials for the CIA recommending his application to join the Jewish Agency for Israel’s Oranim program – what could have become a most hot issue when it resulted in a complete fiasco when Hershkovitz went on the rampage over what had happened while he was in it.
Could have been the cause of FBI whistleblower Frederick Humphries getting involved in Petraeus’s affairs, and the Bureau finally pulling the plug on the DCI when the attempt to help throw Obama under an Israeli bus proved so unsuccessful in the voting.
The only significant shift in it, as today’s NYT reports, is that NYC Jews went more for Mitt than previously claimed, and it probably happened nationwide.
And Petraeus had to have been playing down his support for a bigger American involvement in Palestine to get Obama to nominate him as DCI, and for the Senate, especially Democrats facing re-election, to confirm it.
And he took up with Paula Broadwell, like Bubba’s taking up with Monica Lewinski, because she not only gave blow jobs in his office but also and more importantly was a committed zionist.
In short, it is a complete mistake to claim, as many conspiracy theorists are claiming, that Paula was out to get Petraeus when both of them were out to get Obama.
http://www.theulstermanreport.com/ 2012/ 10/ 24/ breaking-emails-prove-obama-white-house-knew/
“The myth propagated by Auchi is that he left Baghdad in 1980 because of disaffection with Saddam. In fact, he left Baghdad with a large chunk of Saddam’s and Muammar Ghaddafi’s overseas money, which became the nexus for his Luxembourg enterprise, GMH.”
“The reality is that, for well over a decade, Auchi was the main financial operator in Europe for Saddam, who established him everywhere as his principal financial guy. In 1993, Jamil al-Amdar, then Saddam’s main man in China, when seeking asylum in the West, confirmed that “Saddam’s enforcer for Europe is his cousin, Barsan al-Tikriti, who had diplomatic status from a U.N. post in Vienna, but his main money man in Europe and the West, was Nadhmi Auchi.”
“Auchi has woven another myth that he broke with Saddam over the killing of his brother. But, in fact, that murder arose from his brother’s attempts to take over a Saddam pipeline deal.”
“Auchi’s apparent invulnerability comes from two sources: The first is his investment and accompanying avalanche of philanthropy. The above observer notes that “his real gift is to enshroud the whole criminal enterprise in ‘good works’ and charitable giving, stuffed full of medals and titles and ceremonial dinners and cross-cultural ‘peace-making’ exercises. Who would dare bring down such a worthy man hiding, if you will, in plain view?”
“I know of three deaths, two of them outright murders, in which Auchi is a lingering spectral figure. One of them was an American contractor who came to my Pentagon office to tell me how he had been defrauded of $25 million dollars by a Lebanese banker in Iraq. Three days later, he and his partner were shot to death by a hit squad northwest of Baghdad.”
http://www.theulstermanreport.com/2012/10/24/breaking-emails-prove-obama-white-house-knew/
Fixed link above
TROHW:
His name is Herskovitz. And the name of the whole family is Herskovitz and had always been HERSKOVITZ, except for his mother whose name is Wolfzahn and except for his two Iranian cousins and of course except for his Iranian uncle. There is no sense when you’re always deliberately mistyping his name.
This blog was NOT down because of “some dark powers” but because of a software bug that appeared for the 3rd time, obviously due to the fact that there are too many posts from time to time and causing a memory/buffer overflow. Ofcourse, a buffer overflow can be used by intruders e.g. for getting access to registration data and that they can easily realise with some kind of code injection into a blog post. However, when posting here you must be aware that it only takes them 6 hours at most to know who we are.
However, when they want to close this website, then zhey will have many other and much easier options than creating a buffer overflow.
Pink
I mentioned Keshe and Nineve conference about 6 weeks ago simply because of its timing that made sense. However, while checking previous Keshe conferences I could not find his name amongst the speakers nor could i make him out sitting in the audience of previous Keshe conferences. There are videos of prev. meetings on youtube with camera angles filming the audience, too.
With Keshe i always wonder about why HE was never shot? Could it be because they already might know that he might be a crook??
Here is the link to all the threads about William Hershkovitz, so I will leave it up to individual posters to decide how his family name is spelled:
https://www.google.se/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=william+hershkovitz&oq=william+hershkovitz&gs_l=hp.3..0l10.1829.13500.1.15375.21.16.1.4.4.0.546.5172.2-10j2j3j1.16.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.7oE2mPF_lXY&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=6db0c62c779bd714&bpcl=38897761&biw=683&bih=388
Oh, sure, it was just a technical blip that caused the thread to go down – like Sam Rosenfeld, who has said that he has worked for the Mossad, threatening to sue me after I made the connection between the massacre and William Hewrshkovitz’s murder of his work-study boss, Armando al-Abed.
The curious case of “split second timing”
….Or The case of The missing roof box.
Maybe how Holmes would put it to Watson.
Taking the “times” we have been presented with from “official” sources ONLY we have TWO.
1. 3.15pm (timed photographs in Arnand).
2. 3.48pm (call from P.D. somewhere on the Combe D’Ire).
This is a time “gap” of 33 minutes
Martin states it takes 30 mins from Chevaline (area) to the carpark, climbing the Combe D’Ire.
Looking firstly at the “alert being raised” time.
If the alert was raised (3.48pm), it would mean that Martin was at (or around) the “Chevaline area” at 3.18pm.
And possibly entering the Combe D’Ire at 3.23pm (5 mnis later)
However, this time is impossible as Martin states that he took various actions prior to the meeting P.D.
So….
If Martin was at the carpark for 5 mins prior to the alert being raised (3.48pm) then he would be at (or around) the Chevaline area at 3.13pm
And possibly entering the Combe D’Ire at 3.18pm (5 mins later).
Therefore…
If Martin was at the carpark for 10 mins prior to the alert being raised (3.48pm) then he would be at (or around) the Chevaline area at 3.08pm
And possibly entering the Combe D’Ire at 3.13pm (5 mins later)
And so on…
Taking the photograph(s) time(s) (3.15pm) which have been calculated by the French police.
Al Hilli would need to drive from Arnand, possible taking the sign posted “Combe D’Ire Route” (which isn’t the Route du Moulin), to the carpark in 33 minutes.
He would also have had to move from the place where the photo(s) were taken to his vehicle, load passengers into that vehicle AND strap the children in.
Then he would have to drive the route.
If ALL these actions took a mere 5 minutes, Al Hilli would be entering the combe D’ire at approx 3.20pm
Therefore, in all cases, it could be feasible for Martin be ON the Combe D’Ire and AHEAD of the BMW, in all but the most impossible timeframe.
He could of course missed seeing the BMW by seconds.
BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS….*threefold.
Why is it important that we understand that the shootings took place at this short timeframe (within 33 minutes or less) ?
If a witness cycling up the route saw the BMW pass, then the timeframe would have been even shorter.
Would that not be “better” (shorter) for the purpose of “short timeframe” scenario ?
But if Laurent Fillion-Robin stated he saw the BMW pass between 2.30pm and 3.00pm the timeframe of the shooting is increased.
Why is it important that we understand the shootings did not take place over a longer timeframe ?
Is this to do with the removal of a roof box / carrier of some type.
Trow
No.no.no!
I am going to get crazy with you and in my last post i started to copy your many errors.
His name is Herskowitz!
HERSKOWITZ!
WILLIAM LEO HERSKOWITZ!
There is NO “H” AND NO “V” part of his name and neither part of his family members. Just because one dumb journalist who could not even spell the name of his own father is typing a wrong name, you begin to copy that fault and insist on your own fault. I am not surprised that CIA has such a bad reputation world wide and is considered to be the laugh number amongst the other intelligence services when i realise your ignorance since you were one of them, at least you claim to be.
You are either deliberately set false flags or else you are just ignorant and i cannot take you for being serious.
On another important note:
The clean teams already removed the obituaries of the Herskowitz family. Likely to hide their Iranian relatives and William’s Iranian cousins.
Click the links that i posted here 1 or 2 pages before. The legacy.com link results into nowhere. There is just a rest on google when you are searching his real name.
They became nervous about the Iranian cousins and uncle.
Pieced together from totally unreliable sources, like Craigslist:
“In his previous article, Michael Kelley wrote: “Clare Lopez [former CIA] argues that the key issue is “the relationship of the U.S. government, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya with Al Qaeda.””
“…Obama was using Ambassador Stevens as an arms dealer,,who was arming our enemies…”
“Sean Smith [one of 4 killed in Benghazi] … was tracking arms sales… which is why he was part of the online gaming community as that is where the contacts are made for arms sales.
If the bit about online gamers doing real-world arms deals is true, then gamers are more important than is generally thought. Fits with the Arms & Dudes story.
I’ve come across many refs to Ubisoft and Concordia University in Montreal.
“The booming entertainment industry, notably the video game and animation sectors that flourish in Montreal , also generates extensive demand for programmers and designers.”
Then we had gamers driving the hi-end NVIDIA graphics chips which get used in Cray Supercomputers and SSTL Using XBOX Game Controllers With Nanosats.
Fred Humphries can distinguish a French Algerian accent from a French Quebec accent by learning French in Ontario – at a school the press is unable to locate and from which no classmates come forward or shirtless yearbook pics appear? No explanation of why he was going to school in Ontario either.
“Zacarias Moussaoui, a French national of Moroccan descent”
French rapper Ginolin is from Morocco. Possible LaRouchian. Travels to Quebec.
LaRouche proposes extensive irrigation project starting in Morocco. SNC-Lavalin of Montreal does work there.
Casablanca is in Morocco.
“The .357 Registered Magnum is the most collectible of Smith & Wesson revolvers. They were only manufactured from 1935 to 1939 and were essentially all special order sidearms.”
“Value for an example in high condition can run from around $5,000 to over $50,000. Various factors affect the value. The name of the original registrant can have the biggest impact on value – if it was registered to a famous person (a celebrity for example) that fact can drive the price at auction to amazing heights.
That aside, condition of the firearm, presence of the original box, cleaning tools and the Sight Adjustment Tool (SAT) are the major factors dictating the value. The box alone, if in top condition, can add $1,000 to the value. SATs have been known to sell at action for $1,000.
If you have not already done so, you should consider requesting a factory letter from Roy Jinks to add provenance to your Registered Magnum. It will cost you $50, but would be well worth it if your Registered Magnum is in high condition (NRA Very Good or better).
@Bluebird
I know it was you who mentioned the meeting Bluebird and it struck me at the time as a likely link but like you I haven’t found a connection.
I don’t have your search skills but I have been working away at it slowly ,can you find the directors or trustees or whatever they are of the Keshe foundation,I have heard one mentioned called Anthony Griffiths ?
I don’t know what to make of the Keshe foundation it does seem iffy but all the time I have been looking I haven’t really seen a serious debunk ,just the odd knee jerk reaction so I still have no idea ,Saad would be in a good position to tell us whether or not its rubbish its a shame we cant ask him.
I know enough about some things to see he is a clever man and I see a lot of people watching him for a clue as to where this going ever hopeful that he is on to something will just have to wait and see .
Trow & cie
Regarding Herskowitz family history
Herskowitz is an Eastern Ashkenazi name. Easter Ashkenazi originally lived in the Babylon (Baghdad) area and in Syria and Judaea.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/ashkenazi
The Herskowitz family ascendents emigrated to Budapest (Hungary).
They lived in Budapest. Some of them emigrated in mid 19th century to Ohio and some to New York. Part of the family stayed in Hungary and suffered bad treatment by the NAZI.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-08/news/fl-jjdc-kristallnachtservice-1109-20111108_1_kristallnacht-hungarian-allies-jewish-homes
http://access.cjh.org/home.php?type=extid&term=547077#1
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Herskowitz-5
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HUNGARY/2010-04/1271552729
http://genforum.genealogy.com/hersh/messages/149.html
Now please dont tell me about how their names are being spelled. There are still today some Herskowitz in the Jewish Budapest community who have lots of power and influence there. Most jewish emigrants going to Budapest cant go there without meeting the Herskowitz family.
Now, since they have Iranian Jewish family members, i am wondering whether that other emigrant iranian family who came from budapest into the USA and whose daughter was killed were/are perhaps Iranian Jews, too?
That would become interesting. What was her father’s Iranian name?
“Every day is Ashura, every land is Karbala” Its today! also remember Saad al Hilli…..
Death of Imam Hussein Ali on 24th November = Day of Ashura in Iran and Iraq 25th November in Pakistan; Islamic calendar depends on sighting of the new moon. The day Noahs Ark rested, birthday of Abraham, day of Moses victory over Pharoah, day Jonah spewed out of whale,etc, day Imam Hussein grandson of Mohammed was killed at Karbala, day of resurrection and judgement to come. A time for public expressions of mourning and grief, beating the back and head , cutting the body, to connect with Hussein’s suffering and death, an aid to salvation on the Day of Judgment. Some things to do: give to charity, pray, visit scholar, take bath, be kind to orphans, be generous with food. Remembered by Shia Islam as “a symbol of freedom and dignity against tyranny and slavery”
Karbala – Imam Hussein Ali shrine, site of battle in 680 where Hussein was killed by forces of the fifth Caliph Yazid, gateway to paradise, place of pilgrimage and commemoration, especially at Ashura.
Najaf – shrine of the tomb of Imam Ali, the man who had opposed Abu Bakr, the first Imam (for Shia), the fourth Caliph (for Sunni), father of Hussein Ali. Third holiest shrine for Shia (after Mecca, Medina) its golden dome was damaged during Saddam Hussein’s time when Sunnis were in power in Iraq.
Two opposing ideas about Mohammed’s successor: Abu Bakr – a group elected him as first caliph. (Sunni) Ali – said to have been chosen by Mohammed, his cousin and father in law, and thus God’s choice. (Shia) Difference – elected leader or divine appointment. A Sunni leader should be supported however he got there; a Shia leader should be holy, pious, brave, just. ‘ All through history the Shiites have been the underdogs, oppressed, suppressed, suffering injustice and patiently waiting for their time…….’
Shia versus Sunni conflicts: Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, according to wikileaks, urged the US to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear weapons programme, describing Iran as a snake whose head should be cut off without any procrastination. Syria, recently fled exPM alleges all regime decisions are guided by Iranian officials. In Lebanon Hezbollah members were indicted by the UN for the murder of Rafik Hariri, the Sunni PM. In Iraq BBC reports outright Shia v Sunni animosity is muted but by proxy heated Shia/Sunni emotions boil over when asked about Syria. Hamas(Sunni) has had funding from Iran diminished because Hamas failed to organise public rallies supporting President Assad. Bahrain, a kingdom linked to the UK until 1970, has a Shia population and Sunni royal family.
Just more rubbish by BB about William Hershkovitz who killed al-Abed and apparently was part of the kidon which killed the al-Hillis et al.
The poor disinformer is willing to make the most absurd claims despite all the current evidence, so why does anyone take him seriously?
And I have never claimed to have been a member of the CIA, and certainly never was – only drafted into the US Army during the Korean War, and got a posting to its Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) after taking some tests.
Left after two years when my required service was finished.
Gas blast at Mass. strip club under investigation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10543516
AP foreign, Saturday November 24 2012
SUSAN HAIGH
‘Associated Press= SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (AP) — The state fire marshal is crediting public safety officials for evacuating part of the entertainment district in western Massachusetts’ largest city before a natural gas explosion leveled one building and damaged others.
Fire Marshal Stephen Coan says it’s a miracle no one was killed in the blast Friday evening in Springfield.
Gas company workers had been sent to investigate a possible gas leak in the commercial and residential area, 90 miles west of Boston. The explosion occurred an hour later.
Investigators are trying to figure out the cause.
The blast injured 18 people, many of them first responders. None of the injuries is considered life-threatening.
The explosion left a large hole in the ground where the brick building housing Scores Gentleman’s Club once stood and debris scattered over several blocks.’
DOHHHHHHHHHH!
Katie
24 Nov, 2012 – 9:48 am you have raised some valid points that I raised as a possibility early on. Emergency call from one of the Al Hilli’s is a real possibility. What are the factors that would influence it? We can rule out Zainab, SAH and Mollier as they just wouldn’t have had time or opportunity whilst under attack. This leaves wife or mother in law who might have been able to get a call in before being shot. Problems: Is there or is there not mobile phone reception at Martinet? If Martin’s phone didn’t work the indications are not good supported by Didierjeans statement that he had to go down the valley to get reception also. Also press representative on the 5th Sept. said she had to do the same. What I can’t understand is why one of the main news agencies did not test this reception business whilst they were there, so that we knew definitively whether a conventional mobile phone call could be made from there. If reception is totally ruled out the implication is SIGNIFICANT because it means the emergency services were notified by an anonymous source aware of the massacre – which is something I have always contended. Finally if either of the Al Hilli’s HAD made the call, it makes Maillaud’s claim it was Martin, even less explicable.
As to your second point, I have also commented previously on the fact that even from the very beginning, the emergency services appear to have been under INSTRUCTIONS not to enter the car. This is highly suspicious. Why? Because the natural life of an incident is: telephone call comes in with brief details; emergency services arrive, assess the situation and follow standard procedures; this would include providing first aid to any injured and assessing whether all were alive or dead whilst disturbing the scene as little as possible. In this case it would have involved opening the doors carefully to check the injured for pulse or other signs of life. To over-rule this primary role would require a degree of knowledge within minutes and level of authority that can only be explained by prior knowledge of events and Paris control.
Katie
24 Nov, 2012 – 9:48 am I am sort of with you until this: “If I’m right surely this firmly indicates AH was working with/for or protected by, Mi5 ?”
In my insignificant opinion, nothing in the 3.48 alleged call point to SAH being a MI5/6 asset although other circumstantial evidence does. My preferred view is that Maillaud must have known he was lying when he said Martin made the call. It is that or Martin lied when he said he couldn’t. It is not physically possible that Didierjean could have made that call either. So who have we got left? An observer not otherwise identified; the killers; the killers controllers.
@Tim
The most significant side to this story is the almost immediate involvement of the top decision makers on both sides of the Channel in this case – unprecedented – and their just as extraordinary loss of interest in the case. This speaks volumes – but doesn’t resolve the problem – was it (a) a state sponsored and co-ordinated operation (of unknown content) or was it (b) a very very serious international incident which caught both governments by surprise, or was being monitored by both governments. I don’t see any other scenario. That WBM has also disappeared (as expected) indicates he was part of the operation , whether (a) or (b).
James
24 Nov, 2012 – 11:47 am I think you are still missing the point I’m afraid. We have reports of GUNFIRE at 3.30. With no other explanation for this, we must conclude these were the FATAL SHOTS. Remember not only are there three recorded witness statement concurring on shots and their approximate time but they come from ppl both in the village AND in the woods. As oft noted, it makes WBM’s claim he heard nothing frankly unbelieveable. Remember he was much closer to them than Chevaline and it wasn’t just one report but 25 (at least). So we must assume everyone was dead and the perpetrators were departing by 3.35 say. If the green 4×4 is true this would/could/must have passed WBM when he was only minutes from the crime scene. As I have said this is necessitated by the condition of Zainab (having been shot and head injury, her collapse MUST have followed a matter of minutes following receiving them) and the maths relating to Mollier overtaking as previously detailed. SO I conclude WBM must have arrived on scene in the ten minute (max) window after 3.35. He could have made the emergency call at 3.48. The problem is he flatly denies it was possible and if indeed he had how could we explain his conversation with Didierjean unless it was just an excuse (“seeking help”) for bolting from the scene altogether.
Tim.
Firstly I did forget about phone reception, but did BM not have a decent phone, did AH have a better phone & server ? I have mentioned before that certain providers only do certain areas
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There’s a system whereby emergency calls can still be made, maybe this is not two way but gives the location, my French phone shows ’emergency calls only’ sometimes, I’m not sure if that is when the battery is low or I have no signal [ I hate phones ] ……………maybe it was an intermittent signal at the crime scene?
Secondly , when I said about this pointing to AH being an asset I was thinking of an emergency call made by AH or one of the women direct to the Paris embassy, who also knew he was in France.
The decision to freeze the scene makes the rescue services political, this just cannot be right & defies their purpose…..so as you say they had to have received instructions en route to the scene to do the minimum.
In short someone knew who the victims were before the emergency services arrived. I don’t believe it would be the killer or an observer, as I see it, the call could only have been made by one of the victims.
AH did have time to press one pre selected key on his phone because he put the car into reverse, who knows,he may have even spoken to Paris as he was approaching the carpark , was the line still open ?