The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
NR.
Re: Auchi poly, I too have searched for a connection with NA, two things came to light after sometime, one he did do a presentation there for something & he… GMH, have an art school Brush & Paint or something in the ME sponsored by our royals & many ME royals, I’ve seen the photos,but now can’t find them.
Add to that Nigerian oil & NA’s oil credentials I am sure he’s connected.
Whilst hunting for more info on GMH I found this global welding company……does anyone think there could be a connection to what we are researching ?
http://products.esab.com/Templates/T041.asp?id=174067
Indeed, Straw, you’re right. Laura Giors Twitter page is terminated as well.
Now, I know that Bluebird says that all this information is all over the web, but…
This HAS to have got to do with me exposing Laura’s tweets (or rather lack of) 3 days ago
So this means that neither Laura nor Leo are able to tweet anymore, and that Francois isn’t able to use Facebook for what its supposed to, you know connect with people, – whats social media are supposed to be for. This is rather serious monkey business, because everybody knows how bad it is for…business…to change profile (supposing they have), because, just like when you change email adress you have to communicate it out to a lot of people that now you have changed and people will have to take note of a new way of contacting you.
Bluebird, what’d you think? Should we go on the offensive an deliver the exact adress in annecy where the Ringots live? Actually a main street in annecy is called something with “ringot”, indicating that an important man of that name lived there. So was this man an ancestor of Francois? And what does Mr. Francois do for a living?
Does anybody know Sylvain Mollier’s date of birth? Thanks
We know he was 45 years old.
Well I have been looking up Gilbert MOLLIER-CARROZ
D.O.B. 4th March 1967
Home address:-
73 Chemin de Chacroix, 73200 Pallud, Savoie, Rhône-Alpes, France
That is half way between Ugine and Grignon
http://mecavelo.free.fr/upload/vieduclub/2009-01-01ContactsClub2009.pdf
http://vo2max73.sport24.com/12/
http://mecavelo.free.fr/upload/vieduclub/2009-01-01MembresBureau%202009.pdf
This is a LOT to read here and i am excited that i could find this link.
I saw it when searching for assassinations in Houston regarding al Irsan and Mossad (who has its american headquarters in Houston).
Then i found the Lebanese born CIA counter terrorist Carnaby’s (al Karnabe) assassination in Houston in 2008. He was killed (by accident …) while he was investigating Patraeus links to Mossad and Mossad links to nuclear smuggling.
This piece is really worth reading and will tell you names that we had previously investigated in that blog here, too. It really is worth reading.
Quote:
…. New World Order with the Vladimir Putin trip to Tehran the first day of TOPOFF. In this chapter I will present strong evidence of a “dual CIA” as well as a “dual Mossad” and even a “dual U.S. military” with separate chains of command.
That is exactly what we did realize most recently. However, this piece was written several years ago!
http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/ToolBarTopics/Articles/Featured_Authors/fox,_william_b/Fox_works/Fox_books/Mission_of_Conscience/B-3/MC-30_The_Mayday_Alert_and_Assassination_of_Roland_Carnaby.html
It might take perhaps a while for reading this. However, it will give you a better picture about what we are investigating here after you read it. You wll understand every connection and relation much better than we do now.
Also about the facts:
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/news/rolandcarnaby.htm
No more than a cousin at best as he competed 10 days after the shootings here:-
http://cyclos-ugine.net/Pdf/Resultat_Hery_2012.pdf
Sorensen
There is no Ringot in Annecy.
The best choice is Olivier Ringot some 40km from Annecy in Ferney Voltaire. He is a dentist. Perhaps there are Ringot girls in Annecy who had married and who have another name now. I cannot find a Ringot link to Annecy. Do you have a name TO SEARCH FOR?
Well, of course you should search for Francois Ringot, because I suppose you agree with me that the evidence we together have pieced together, is fairly conclusive, when it comes to that Francois lives with Leo and Mathis’ mother, Lydia Ringot. And Leo said as much on his page [Now terminated] — where people could ask him questions — that he lives in Annecy.
And we also have both Francois and Leo in unguarded moments [Loved that!] taking photos of the same cat (same colour, same lenght ad outline of whiskers and same patterns above the eyes). so I think there is no doubt they live together, but it is interesting if the 15 year old kid lies about wherer he lives. Why would he do that? Some of his statements in this regard is BEFORE 5th of September.
Thanks for the kind words, NR. Shall certainly keep the site posted about my travels.
The first incident might already be in place because my nephew, a reputable New York lawyer, will be on hand to meet me when I arrive around dinner time at JFK on December 15th to drive me personally to New Haven where I shall spend the night.
Of course, normally this would be the expected thing, but there is nothing about me normal now.
The CIA has tried to kill me at least three times – John Young volunteering the last attempt back in June 2009 when I didn’t have a clue about what it was up to.
Only failed because Säpo aka the Swedish Security Service was working with the Bureau in the hope of entrapping me as the white lover/assassin of ‘Jihad Jane’s, working to kill Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks. This only failed because I rejected her entreaties to make her babies.
Säpo is, of course, involved in this case, having delegated to the Anglo-French authorities the responsibility of determining what happened to Swedish national Suhaila al-Allaf and her daughter Yqbad al-Hilli.
My nephew has refused to cooperate with my efforts up to now – especially wanting to sue the Agency for trying to kill me, and the Bureau for trying to imprison me for life – because he is convinced that no one can win such a case against the American state, no matter how outrageous it is.
It would be a different matter, though,and perhaps he knows something that I don’t, if I was refused entry into the States, or then whisked off to some federal establishment for intense interrogation, particularly why I had returned to my homeland for at least a visit after all these years.
With my nephew there, we can get right to the crux of the matter if there is any trouble then.
So it’s interesting if the 15 year old would say he lives in Annecy if this aint the case. Of course his stepfather could also be into intelligence, so he was kind of use to guard his moves in this way. But I think its fairly obvious — as we have together pieced together — that they live together, Lydia, Francois, Leo and Mathis — but if it isn’t in annecy, then where is it?
Sorensen
Look back here in this blog. The address of Ringot Lydia and her husband is already known. It is a house approx. 20 minutes from ugine into that direction where the killers waited. Maybe leo lives in annecy for studying. That does not mean that he lives with ringot. Perhaps he shares a flat with other students?
Who is Laura Giors?
Her name is Italian and the Giors are all Italian nationalities. One Laura Giors is on the candidates list of left italian party partito democratico.
Sorensen
May i kindly ask you to make a screen shot of this link? The complete one please.
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/poughkeepsiejournal/obituary.aspx?n=&pid=160499657&referrer=0&preview=True#fbLoggedOut
Thank you.
Laura Giors is Leo’s girlfriend, the one he tweeted the most with, since he got his twitter account in June 2012. And I knew that, since I began to research Leo’s tweets. However, 3 days ago, I published on Icke a screenshot , proving how her tweets almost grinded to a halt after 5th of September, and stopped completely on 7th of October, and the whole account is terminated!.
With regards to her Italian name, her ancestors presumably came from Italy after The First World War, where France lost…I think more than 3 million men! Yes it sounds like a lot, and surely it was a catastrophe for France! I thinbk no other country lost as many in that war! So, as as I also say here</a<, there simply weren't enough able bodied men around for farming and industry, so they had to get them from abroad. And most of the immigrants came from Italy and Poland, and within a generation they were fully integrated. And Leo's mother's family came from Italy as well, so this fits with him falling in love with another Italian descendant.
Sorensen
Please a screenshot of that one, too.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9503EFDD1F3AF932A25755C0A9649D8B63
Thank you.
Thats the one with the Iranian cousins.
They are Baghdadi Jews ( originally from Baghdad/Babylon) , emigrating settling in India in the Jewish town of (Nashek/Nashik) in about 1650. In Nashek there is a jewish city called Mahtmaliabad. The Jewish call theyr Tandoori chicken also Mahtmali chicken meal today.
Later some branches of this family emigrated to Iran. Many of them are living in the New York area today. Some are still in Iran and being treated tolerant there. The iranian jewish still have a guaranteed seat in the iranian parliament today.
OK, I have opened it in a seperate tab, and can always take a screenshot. At the moment I have a problem with my proces line, which will not duck, so I will wait till it ducks before taking a shot. But I really think you should routinely document yourself….virtually any page you visit, that you deem important. We have seen in the last days how pages disappears, and regrettably I did not document properly how they looked before,- all I have is an occasional screenhot, not of the whole page or not a saving of the whole page. Particularly Google Chrome has many add-ons that allows you to screenshot the whole page, not just the visible part. See also my writings about it here.
@ Katie 10:01 re Kenneth S.
Well said, Katie !!!
It’s annoying and respectless taking this avatar from a recently deceased man. May he rest in peace. Beside, connecting him to the killings- for may be he might not be connected at all.
Sure, here are people reading who know the families of Ms. Mollier et Brun – in person, or even family members, and getting upset about your (or our?) behaviour – what I can understand very well.
May be you (Kenneth) should pay more respect to the persons, involved or deceased. Even the way HOW you are “promoting” their pictures, twitters etc over there at David Icke. It reminds me of the headlines in Yellow-Press-Style – may be you should apply for a job there.
Anyhow,eg I’ve asked you to withdraw the picture(s) of the wrong Sylvain Mollier (hunter) and to make a note for a kind of “sorry for….”. You said, you won’t do so … felt no need for that.
So – no wonder the reaction the families involved showed within the last few days.
I would do the same.
Just scroll down this link about William Hershkovitz’s death in the New Paltz Oracle where he attended college, noting that it even quoted the Poughkeepie Journal about his name being that – what was changed later, and BB wants to use now as part of the cover up:
http://issuu.com/thenewpaltzoracle/docs/issue7final
By talking about a non-existent person – what the Journal and the NYT have endorsed because of official (CIA?) claims about the family’s name, it scrubs everything anyone claims about William Hershkovitz, even those by his employers in Israel!
Sorensen
is that leo’s laura?
http://lewebpedagogique.com/dreminmaldiveislands/2011/11/17/first-day/
http://lewebpedagogique.com/dreminmaldiveislands/
Trow
Go and see a psychiatrist!
Those are the official obituaries. The whole family is listed there. Do you want to see his mother’s facebook page? The obituaries of his uncle and grandfather? The ancestry.com documents?
I know. Your only source is a dumb journalist who cannot even spell his own name. You are deliberately setting up FALSE FLAGs here! What is your objective? We arent that stupid as you believe that we are.
It is useless to discuss with you because you dont trust documents, you dont trust what you see, you would not even trust when you were at a dinner with that family. I dont care, but it shows us who you are.
The only interesting part about this family so far are the iranian jews. That focused my attention.
Thank-you Shelock.
As a temporary measure it was OK but to hide behind a dead man’s face & make it look as though he’s speaking is sick.
Then there’s copyright which Sorenson does not own, I ‘d be furious if I thought someone was doing this with my dead father’s photo, it’s insensitive.
Maybe Jon or Craig have a view on this ?
BB said:
Trow
Go and see a psychiatrist!
And don’t forget to take Kenneth with you!!
I- for my part- will disscociate from this forum.
Not my league at all, and no time to argue with people like you, Kenneth.
Good luck and – Kenneth- don’t be too surprised if you’ll get a smilar letter one day just as Mr. Trowbridge has received.
BTW: speaking Germand doesn’t mean one IS German, does it?
I won’t reply any further.
Bluebird I’ve not heard of Alexia Larchevêque but apparently she and Laura was best friends, and they travelled together to this spot, where — in the first link you provided — I recognise the exact image, which also featured amongs Francois' Facebook photos, and i got the impression that Francois in some way were arranging tours o that spot, or otherwise had connections to that spot.
This is the mother of the Iranian Herskowitz sisters (Makhmali).
She is a Herskowitz daughter. No idea about the Iranian/jewish father yet. Will have to search ancestry.
I know, she does not know about how to spell her own name …..
Trow will be delighted that Kyle Rosenkrans is her facebook friend.
http://m.facebook.com/Muffin24?id=1396336785&_rdr
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mara-herskowitz/46/894/167?_mSplash=1
Good to see you going, Shelock H., and don’t forget to take feloow chirper BB with you.
The conversion of William Hershkovitz’s name to William Herskowitz is a crucial step in the cover up because if one takes it seriously, the whole career of William Hershkovitz simply disappears.
If I ask the New Paltz Gun Club, the National Rifle Association, students at the SUNY university which he attended, residents of Hyde Park where he lived, or even the leadership of the JAFI’s Oranim program if their organization or they know hom – having to spell it out – they will either deny that they know such any such William Herskowitz, or simply clam up.
It’s a simply question of facts which cannot be explained away by changing his name and adding those with a different one and apparently irrelevant to the massacre – certainly not a matter for medical diagnosis to determine.
I can well understand why the family wants this but no serious investigator should want a handful of murders explained away in this fashion.
And I have not received any letter from Sam Rosenfeld, only empty e-mail and telephone threats because, it seems, of making a connection between Hershkovitz, the massacre and the Mossad.