The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Trow
What is the problem with SUNY New Paltz?
There are at least 100 journalists who are able to write the correct spelling and they still mention SUNY new Paltz, see below:
http://m.nypost.com/p/news/international/slain_in_israel_QWQIDB06GzIpGWryIR8oII
All the rest you wrote above still requires approval (where are the links?)
PS: i am not surprised when the family of their late son asks for legal support when that late son is being accused in public of being a mass murder in france. You must present the necessary proof before you can slander somebody of having done something illegal.
I realize your absolutely unprofessional slandering when you are posting regarding myself and accusing me of doing something that is not me. I seek to collect evidence, and as you can see, i did never exclude your theories. However, you did never present only a single piece of evidence. Why? Can’t you post any links.
I do not post links to support my theories because almost everyone is writing sheer nonsense about it all, especially William Hershkovitz’s violent, most surprising killing.
I have no problem with the college newspaper as it is at least writing the facts as it knows them.
Take the link you have from the Poughkeepsie Journal where we are told that William Herskowitz just “passed away” in Israel, and that condolences, as in expected deaths, should be sent to the funeral home there handling the burial.
This is reporting one would expect from the worst banana republic.
Why don’t we just settle here for the al-Hillis, Sylvain Mollier, and Suhaila al-Allaf simply “passing away” in France?
And then there is Nick Mockford “passing away” outside Brussels.
The press when it comes to covert assassinations by our police states simply settles for whatever they are told by the authorities,and that’s the end of it, even when what we are told is simply nonsense.
The long-term effect of these lies, and mistatments about how and why William Hershkovitz was actually killed will result in it being written off as just what another psychopath put together, as the prosecution and media are already claiming without any facts about the Lake Annecy massacre.
In sum, I cannot write what others should be writing – I can only write what I do with the facts.
Shelock, I for one would be sorry to see you go. I’m surprised the moderators tolerate the kind of offensive comments that Kenneth Sorensen were made earlier about Germans, personally I find it unacceptable and am going to complain. Perhaps you would like to also? I understand the “contact” link above is the way to do so.
And Bluebird, I couldn’t agree more. I gave up reading Trollbridge’s unsupported ramblings some time back as he never posts sources, only theory masquerading as fact, and is quite unpleasant about anyone who questions him or his rather fanciful suppositions.
Ferret, as your avatar so eloquently puts it: You better stop.
Because you are out of bounds! You know that you as a fringe Briton living in Lancashire has nothing (good) to say about us, who (first) brought the concept of individuality to the British Isles. (Source: Winston S. Churchill: A History of the enlish speakling Peoples), which later made the first Parliament in rthe world possible.
Trow
To support you with some finds, too:
This is the other grandfather of william leo h.:
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1428071714&targetid=profile
“First learn to know their families and soon you will know who they are and what they might think and do!”
Ferret:
The thing is that Trows posts have some content that is worth to investigate. But i agree that it does not make any sense to discuss with him.
Shelock: i second ferret. Do not take his slander too serious and continue to participate, please. I always appreciate your input. Sorensen had slandered me, too, particularly when i had asked him to stop with his anti-jewish political nazi rants. However, i dont want to miss him either since he also contributes much valued ideas and finds to this board.
Barbie Latza Nadeau seems to have contacts !
“Al Hilli had Mollier’s blood on his clothing”.
“Zainab had drops of Mollier’s blood on the soles of her feet”.
“…like in the Al-Hilli murders, a silencer was employed”
“Al-Hilli also had properties in France and Spain that were unknown to his closest friends until after his murder”.
“Al Hilli kept a secret bank account in Geneva and several more accounts in the U.K.”.
“Mollier, the French bicyclist, worked in research and development for a nuclear facility”.
“Mollier’s clothing and belongings were ransacked after he was killed”. ” …though his watch and cash were left”.
( http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/25/was-the-al-hilli-alps-murder-the-act-of-a-serial-killer.html )
I look away for an hour and someone else is scared off this board, we are already too few to have a decent sounding board, with a dwindling number of contributors. I am sure there is a fair few still reading along but I fear we will lose those too.
The only winners will be the creators of this fairytale and that will be a great shame that a news item that when updated in newspapers that allow comments, get wholly criticized.
We owe it to the families of the deceased to try and force the Police to come to a satisfactory conclusion, and any family members that do follow what we say here that justice for their lost relatives is what we seek most.
Trow
And here is william leo’s grandmother:
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=781951211&targetid=profile
And here is william leo’s sister from North Carolina.
http://m.facebook.com/corey.herskowitz?id=43004800&_rdr
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/corey-briskey-mph-cph/3b/17a/560?_mSplash=1
http://registry.weddingchannel.com/coupledir/20126/B/R322405055/DANIEL_BRISKEY_AND_COREY_HERSKOWITZ.htm
On her facebook page there is a photo of her together with Leo and their mother.
Is there any truth in the rumour that Eric Maillaud suggested that by linking Xavier Balignant’s death the those at Martinet that we might actually solve that case for him.
Does anyone know what happened to Dopey ?
Katie,
I miss Dopey too always a good point to be made and telling us if we are off track, she is posting on several boards that I visit on Icke.
Dopey, Please say hi if you are passing, we could do with a nudge in the right direction at the moment.
@Kenneth
Ferret, as your avatar so eloquently puts it: You better stop.
Sorry, Kenneth, are you threatening me? If so, that isn’t going to get you anywhere. I’ve had enough of your abuse and clearly others here have too.
Your racial and national abuse is simply not acceptable. Neither is the fact that you have apparently driven away a contributor by insulting them.
I hope the moderator(s) here will step in quickly.
@Jon
Are you around? Please see Kenneth’s posts above.
Trow
And that is ZOA, the zionist extreme right organisation that is even further rightwing than the most conservative politicians in Israel.
http://thecollegezionist.org/?page_id=292
As you see in the link above, ZOA organises educational holidays in Eilat for american students. Leo’s grandparents are leading members of ZOA and speakers at ZOA conferences.
They sent their grandson to a ZOA/TIP (the israel project) educational vacation to Eilat.
We dont know whether or not he was forced to go there. He does not look like a conservative jew on the pictures and perhaps he felt miserable when being there amongst the conservative zionists.
Of course, ZOA is close to Mossad (if it isn’t even Mossad-USA.).
See here:
http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/zoa-ordered-to-register-as-israeli-foreign-agent-seven-times—declassified-justice-department-files-180363911.html
@Bluebird
You are more generous than me about KS and THF.
🙂
And finally, for Trow
This is Leo’s other grandmother. A clever and modern lady with her own facebook site. Her maiden name is Postrel and her brother Oren Postrel is a Rabbi in Napa Valley.
http://www.facebook.com/reida.herskowitz
I still cannot find the Iranian father of his two Makhmali sisters. “Makhmali” means “Velvet” in Northern Indian languages.
There were two in the USA:
Mansour Makhmali who died in 1985 at the age of only 30, and Mahmoud Makhmali who is apparently back in Iran and now living in Esfahan and who is a successful business man there (as most jews always are). One of the two guys must have been the father of the two and husband of Mara Herskowitz.
Kenneth Sorensen, I’ve deleted two items from you just now about “the Germans” – without reading the whole of the thread, it sounded at least off-topic if not racially charged. Let me know how it was relevant, if it genuinely was.
Katie – if someone uses the avatar of a deceased person, then I won’t moderate based on taste – it’d be too arbitrary a measure. From a legal perspective, it would be Gravatar.com’s problem anyway, and I doubt they would respond to a takedown request without legal papers.
Are there any other posts I should look at, folks? Please supply permalinks if so. I can’t see any huge reason for anyone to leave, but perhaps I’ve not read far back enough.
Trowbridge H. Ford
I can’t see that chasing people off the board is any success, Trowbridge – please tone it down. As I’ve said before, if you are of the view that someone is participating in bad faith, there’s not much you can do about it except patiently query their statements, or ignore them. There’s no reason here for things to turn into a bun-fight.
Yes Straw, it would be good to have Dopey’s input most of us have reached an impasse… except BB who keeps up the enthusiasm.
Kenneth
There is some rest from Laura Giors. Does she talk about a secret masscre?
http://devantlatele.com/twitter.com/Laura_Giors
Here are 2 sites from her girlfriend Alexis. However, she writes Farsi or another script. I cannot read that. Both girls seem to be 17 years old, age well fitting with Leo Mollier.
http://ur.netlog.com/fanpire73
http://bn.netlog.com/fanpire73/myfriends
Her nickname id is fanpire73 on both sites. Perhaps it will bring up GOOD search results when you are searching for her nickname?
Re: Baligant
Did anybody ever search about where he came from? He lived in Belgium, but were his roots perhaps in Middle East just like Saad’s roots?
Maybe just a coincidence, but look where the name Baligant comes from …
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baligant
Do we know anything about his father’s family?
I really don’t think you, Jon, are seeing things as they happened.
In Shelock’s 1:32 pm post, she volunteered that she was leaving after she repeated BB’s suggestion that I go see a psychiatrist, and that I not forget to take Kenneth along with me.
She was gone before I even knew she was thinking of leaving, so it seems a bit of a stretch to blame me for any bun fight.
Still love what BB and Ferret, the site’s leading trolls, are claiming: Herskowitz died a fairly normal death, and it was hardly necessary, according to Ferret, since none of the people he was having nightmares about killing and maiming died in the first place!
Hard to top that!
Could the FBI have been sitting in the woods at Martinet before anyone drove up the hill on 5th September? Could they have made the 3.48 phone call?
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019510730_mastro25.html
In this report it mentions Lake Annecy but in a French newspaper(below) it said in the hills above Doussard!!
http://www.lessorsavoyard.fr/Actualite/Annecy/2012/11/05/article_un_promoteur_americain_interpelle_pas_u.shtml
More details of the exact location here:-
Marceau is certainly close enough to our crime scene, maybe even to hear gunfire
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019542345_mastro28m.html?prmid=4939
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Marceau&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D16&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl
@straw
geographic proximity between the crime scene, Micheal Mastro’s apartment and the starting point of Brett’s ride came as a surprise to me, http://goo.gl/maps/3tLpS Doussard twice in the international headlines within 2 months.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mastro
Would $1.4M in diamonds be enough of an attraction for a criminal to be within 2 miles of Martinet, were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time after all.
But then why havent the press floated this idea?
Turn cash into a transportable asset is a good idea.
The reporter I quoted above suggests “several accounts” of SAH.
Now that is a goer (almost) Bluebird
25 Nov, 2012 – 9:34 pm. It’s the Hollywood script. Is WBM the shoe-in Kevin Costner? Someone as you suggest to provide the agreed story but if so why does it differ on the important matter of the 3.48 call? Is Phollipe Didierjean also part of the set up or a figment of the Parisien imagination? If a set-up why not ensure WBM actually COULD have made the first emergency call?
Diamonds, aren’t they the alternate currency of weapons dealers?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/12/zimbabwe-diamonds-mugabe-marange-fields
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/7119678/Secret-airstrip-built-at-Zimbabwe-diamond-field.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2012/0315/Why-Iran-wants-to-beef-up-Zimbabwe-s-military
How precious metals are channeled through the UAE to avoid currency movements:
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-bankrupt-ceo-and-one-hell-of-a-secret-20101123-185pz.html
And diamonds?
Dominique Maire is the neighbour of the Mastro’s house in Marceau, Doussard.
There is no google streetview but the closest that may be called Marceau with a group of buildings maybe 10 to Martinet is 3.9km.