The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Katie
11 Dec, 2012 – 5:24 pm as regards the roof rack I think James has already covered the point really but just to reiterate on the BMW there are two LATERAL supports which are clamped securelt to the roof. These are “present and correct”. The bike or roofbox locates on these LONGTITUDINALLY shown on the photograph to be still in place on the off-side or drivers side. It is the nearside bearer that is missing. That it was there before the attack is strongly suggested by the fact that the front segment is still in place and the damaged roof suggests it has been prized off. Hopefully you now comprehend.
The fun won’t stop. The “Global Outrage” now includes demands that the Royals name the new baby Jacintha Salanha in honour of the fallen nurse. Which is no problem since they Royals always need find 20 or 30 names for a Royal baby. Many other fun bits in the Anorak story.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/342359/royals/kate-middleton-pregnancy-watch-duchess-to-name-baby-after-jacintha-salanha.html/
Am I in danger of sanctions for laughing too heartily at this Global Tragedy? Will the US close my HSBC account and levy an excess chuckling fine? Can I have SAH’s Taser from the evidence locker to protect myself from the mob forming down the street (though I suspect they’ve misidentified the ISP number and are aiming for a block of flats nearby)?
Ref. roof rack bars I am still not absolutely clear whether the light coloured longtitudinal bar shown (and the matching one that is missing) are exclusively for bikes or can also be utilized for roof box? If the former we could be on the wrong track couldn’t we? Could it be that there was a bike up there that was removed? Now where would that lead I wonder?????????
I thought watching football mad.
The world now has to endure the worlds press “pump” the birth of a billionaire…to an an bald bloke who likes to dress up in numerous uniforms…and a tasty brunette, who’s dad sells hampers.
Can’t wait !
Jeez !
William Hill has it 1000/1 plus against the new billionaire royal being called “Breeze”
Do they not know Willis is “down wiv da kidz” !
Comin at ya !
Katie
11 Dec, 2012 – 6:57 pm for clarity – this is horizontal: – ; this is verticle: I!
Think you may be confusing these terms with longtitudinal (front to back) and lateral (side to side)?
I assume it’s two of these attached to the lateral bearers? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thule-FreeRide-Mounted-Cycle-Carrier/dp/B004X6EFSA/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1355275578&sr=8-11
Katie
11 Dec, 2012 – 9:04 pm “Then there’s the other protrusion in the rear centre.” The integral arial you mean?
Tim
If it wasn’t a roof box, what else do you think could cause those “brushed” dirt marks on the roof ?
I keep coming back to “roof box” but looking for other ideas.
So here’s another idea. What if ….. SAH set out with TWO bike racks one of which remains but Saad himself REMOVED the left hand one to fit a Thule roof box (possibly for his trip to Switzerland and the bank)? The roof boxes appear to clamp direct onto the lateral fixing bars and it is possible to “mix and match” with box adjacent to bike. Now the hypothesis the the box was levered off could fit. Only Laurent-Fillon could cast light on what was on the roof when it went past unless someone else at the camp site or else where spotted it.
@ Q 12 Dec, 2012 – 12:38 am
“@Straw44berry: Surely her own family would recognize a photo of her, which they had at their home. CT: So what did the dead nurse know, or what could not become public? Remember this?”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57496277/nurse-who-treated-aurora-victims-drowns-in-iowa/
http://www.theendrun.com/batman-shooting-nurse-jenny-gallagher-dead-at-46-alleged-drowning
I wonder if our nurse drowned in her bathtub? They keep to a pattern in these matters. Was she assassinated because she embarrassed the Royals? Reports said “an apparent suicide” but don’t explain why. Who told the press that. or did they make it up?
Therefore we should look for dead nurses in our mysteries. I didn’t see that Abel Danger specifically listed nurses or doctors under control of the Crown Sisters, but they could fall under the apothecaries division – who obviously, at one time, controlled Scopolamine and other Zombification drugs, but I think now you can buy some from your neighbourhood biker gang.
Of course, nurses and doctors, specifically psychiatrists figure large in mind control. There’s this about Assange’s upbringing: “… “new age” group called Sanitniketan Park Association, or The Great White Brotherhood, led by a woman named Anne Hamilton-Byrne, who taught a type of spiritual yoga. She drew the disillusioned and mentally disturbed to her side. Fully one quarter of the group members were nurses and physicians, who ran a private mental hospital in Kew…”
@ Q : I looked at some of the links you gave above and found this link: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/category/new-zealand
The HSBC bank scandal, Russian Hermitage Fund / UK murder, have links to New Zealand and Ireland as well as the BVI. They worked on a subset of the Guardian data and found one nominee director who controlled 21,000+ companies. Some in Quebec.
Too much for anyone without specialized software to make connections.
@NR: I won’t mention that the late Jill Dando’s former fiance is now the royal baby doctor, if you don’t. I’d be going way off topic if I did, unless we consider that there is a pattern of bizarre, incredible, unbelievable tragedies.
Good grief Tim, you splatter multiple comments all sounding like a pedantic headmaster.
The bars have been discussed over & over, they are V shaped bicycle tracks, once both the same,one now broken, a box could not have been on the horizontal bars that day & the broken piece is not part of a box, the dust marks clearly show no disturbance along the line of missing track.
As for levering a box off, the mark which is in the centre is not where that would be done & also little dust disturbance can be seen in that area, there was no time to do it & stow it in a Pajero……..especially as if it was stuffed with ? it would be heavy
If you would just stop & think logically, you’d ask yourself why AH would have a box at all when it’s bikes he transported,he had a caravan for storage,the two bars were clearly once the same the pointed ends show that, where this idea of a box came from I don’t know but it is just illogical.
I also suggest this broken bar has not been mentioned in the media because the police have witness confirmation it was like that before the incident…therefore irrelevant.
@ Q 12 Dec, 2012 – 5:51 am
“@NR: I won’t mention that the late Jill Dando’s former fiance is now the royal baby doctor, if you don’t. I’d be going way off topic if I did, unless we consider that there is a pattern of bizarre, incredible, unbelievable tragedies.”
I’d never heard of this story. Quick read tells of someone wrongly convicted, retried & acquitted. MSM’s favorite suspect – a hit by Bosnian/Serbian gunmen for something she said on air three days previous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Dando
Here is an upgraded version of the cycle rack on the BMW,disregard the spoiler:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=668813
Off Topic:
This is excerpted from a comment on a page at aangirfan: http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/usa-jihad-jane-kate-nurse-khashoggi.html?m=1
“The whole Suicide Nurse/Prank Call debacle stinks to high-heaven and NOT ONE news outlet/journo has questioned the statistical fact that women, never mind women who work in the medical field, rarely commit suicide by hanging… The fact that Jacinta wasn’t even the Nurse who gave out the medical details (allegedly) along with the mention by her own family that ‘she was not the type to kill herself’, just adds further stinking fuel to the fire.
It is highly unlikely, improbable, and, statistically untenable, that a nurse with two children would do this to herself, for no other reason other than she thought she was in trouble with her job and was embarrassed…
She either had psychological problems to begin with OR someone killed her – it’s as simple as that.
It is bizarre fantasy to say she was so upset over the radio prank that she killed herself over it. Everyone knows this, yet no one is saying a word.
Clearly there is a cover up which is being nicely done with the use of thousands of tax payer pounds – What a parade, the children of the deceased being dragged around London yesterday in full view of the world’s media! It’s a sick joke!
The reasons for her death are far from clear – but what a lovely ‘bloody’ way to announce to the world the coming heir to the throne!” 😉
Ickes knows what’s going on. I’m dismayed I didn’t think of it, but he has years more experience:
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/76660-leveson-inquiry-stitches-up-mainstream-media-and-now-they-want-to-silence-the-internet-leveson-is-going-to-set-you-up-source-inside-leveson-inquiry-tells-kenneth-clarke-accuser-ben-fellows
That led to the next Ickes page which mentions poisonous Yew trees – highly symbolic and effects akin to Scopolamine. Were there any Yew trees at Martinet?
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/76659-jimmy-savile-police-investigate-sex-offence-claims-against-25-celebrities-and-expect-to-arrest-six-over-next-few-weeks
Of interest to all of us who raise Alpacas for fun or profit:
http://www.c-r-alpacas.com/Alpaca%20Tips/plants_that_are_poisonous_to_alp.htm
I’m with you there NR. The Samaritans have said a one issue suicide such as this would be very rare & unlikely.
Gone in 8 seconds !
How to nick a bike off a Thule roof rack.
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yu4vEsD9WA )
Note. This isn’t a “fork” holding roof rack.
Al Hilli’s looks like a “fork” holding version (or they are what remains of a roofbox).
The fact that he arrived with it already broken, doesn’t make sense at all.
Surely he would have removed the broken bit before driving.
The dirt marks “suggest” it held a roofbox ontop.
However the “bars” look to be a fork holding bike rack.
Now I guess the frame of a bike would make a good place to hide rolled up notes (money). I’m sure if you had a workshop in your garden and were good at “making things” and welding…you could really go to town on your tubular bike frame ???
If that were the case, what would it mean here.
Was he driving around with a few hundred thousand Euro in a bike on his roof ?
That doesn’t seem likely. You’d head for home straight away.
I doubt you’d go on a “day out”.
Katie, james
The bike rack is a thule echelon system.
Search youtube for thule echelon and you will find nice clips about how it works.
However, echelon is the horizontal bike rack that is broken.
The rack holding the bike rack is a standard thule rack. It can hold boxes of various sizes, e.g. In the middle between the two echelon bike racks.
Search youtube for thule pacific 500 and for thule ranger 500 and you will see how easy that can be installed anywhere above or between the echelon bike racks. It isnt installed on the echelon racks but it can be installed lying above the racks as you just need to find some space between those two echelin bike racks to fix it. Watch the video. It would not be necessary to remove the echelon racks for that purpose.
Now when somebody tries to remove the ranger 500 with leverage, he will have to remove the echelon, too. Otherwise he cannot get towards the ranger 500 when placed in the middle or above one of the echelon bike racks.
Hopefully this is helpful for your discussion.
Yes a bike can be stolen from a rack but please note…they don’t need to break the track to get it off .
“The whole Suicide Nurse/Prank Call debacle stinks to high-heaven and NOT ONE news outlet/journo has questioned the statistical fact that women, never mind women who work in the medical field, rarely commit suicide by hanging… ”
Shows how much he knows. Hanging is the most popular method of taking one’s own life in men and women. The suicide rate amongst nurses (and doctors) is also higher than the national average.
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/197/4/320.full
But I’ve no doubt the word of an unqualified blogger will carry more weight around here than proper science.
Like I said Katie…
“Note. This isn’t a “fork” holding roof rack”.
The BMW had (what looks like) a folk holding rack.
Which means that the front wheel is removed…
Not the same rack as shown in the “clip”.
If the folks are attached, then the rail may indeed get broken.
However, the would not be able to be used…as it won’t have a front wheel !
Why steal a bike without it’s front wheel ?
Would you waste time getting the wheel out of the car and putting it on ?
Kempe…
I agree with you last comment COMPLETELY.
Why bother with logic and science.
Why let truth get in the way of a good blog !
…and I think my “R” key is playing up !
For hard evidence of state involvement in targetted assassination look no further than this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20662412
Linguist Makes Sensational Claim: English Is a Scandinavian Language
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The language changed a great deal in the period after the Normans arrived. The miserable conditions people lived in at the time resulted in a complete merger of the two previously separate groups of people — the Old English speakers and the Scandinavian speakers — and out of this came Middle English — the predecessor of Modern English.
Adopted words they already had
The language adopted many words from the Danelaw’s inhabitants who were of Norwegian and Danish descent. For example, all the lexical words in this sentence are Scandinavian: He took the knife and cut the steak. Only he, the and and come from Old English.
“What is particularly interesting is that Old English adopted words for day-to-day things that were already in the language. Usually one borrows words and concepts for new things. In English almost the reverse is true — the day-to-day words are Scandinavian, and there are many of them,” says Faarlund.
Here are some examples: anger, awe, bag, band, big, birth, both, bull, cake, call, cast, cosy, cross, die, dirt, dream, egg, fellow, flat, gain, get, gift, give, guess, guest, hug, husband, ill, kid, law, leg, lift, likely, link, loan, loose, low, mistake, odd, race, raise, root, rotten, same, seat, seem, sister, skill, skin, skirt, sky, steak, though, thrive, Thursday, tight, till, trust, ugly, want, weak, window, wing, wrong.
The researchers believe that Old English already had 90 per cent of these concepts in its own vocabulary.
Katie and james.
This is a Thule echolon system. I said it above. After watching this clip you will both stop arguing. 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7fO3BhShzk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peTgVrY1R-k
And here is the Thule Ranger 500 that you can place even above the Echolon rack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7sU5CFRmQo
And the Thule Pacific 500 you can also place anywhere on that roof rack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0fIbmsenwc
Watch those 4 clips and you’ll both agree to disagree.
Katie
12 Dec, 2012 – 6:59 am contrary to what you say it is quite possible to have both bike rack and roof box next to one another and Thule advertise this arrangement. I see you have now come up with other reasons why a roof box could not have been there. They are no more convincing than the one about the motor cyclist. Unlike you, I avoid dogmatism or certainty about what happened, only about what couldn’t (have happened) I do not know if there was a roof box but it remains a possibility.
You say: “If you would just stop & think logically, you’d ask yourself why AH would have a box at all when it’s bikes he transported,he had a caravan for storage,the two bars were clearly once the same the pointed ends show that, where this idea of a box came from I don’t know but it is just illogical.
I also suggest this broken bar has not been mentioned in the media because the police have witness confirmation it was like that before the incident…therefore irrelevant.” To which I can only concur with James and reply “Ha. Ha. Ha.”
james, katie
After having watched the youtuve clips (see above) several times, I come to the conspiracy conclusion that there was a mountain bike on that roof and that somebody who didn’t have a key, broke it off that roof with force, leaving that mark on the roof. Where was the front wheel? Well, probably in the rear of that car. Did he have time to install that front wheel on the bike? Perhaps he had time, perhaps he was in a hurry. Wasn’t Phillippe D, saying that Martin did carry a bike? Why would somebody carry a bike? Perhaps when the front wheel wasn’t fixed very well?
Perhaps somebody took that bike from that roof with force simply to pretend that he were an accidentally passing by cyclist? That would make that story look completely different then, would it?