The 9/11 Post 8616

Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.

I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.

I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.

The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.

I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.

The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.

Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.

In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.

But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.

(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).

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  • Paul Barbara

    ‘The Big Lie Is Killing Us — 9-11, Boston Marathon, and Port Arthur’:

    ‘What was I thinking of, going around the state of Alabama in my campaign, never once mentioning the words Nine-Eleven. Of course everything hangs from that one terrible sin. Almost everything, anyway. Here is how I see it today.

    To Plan a World War

    The cabal (World Government, the crims, whatever name you prefer) planned many years before 2001 to stage a knockdown of the World Trade Center. It’s even probable that the Towers were in purpose-built for this. I lived in Manhattan at that time (early 1970s) and we residents were not too pleased with the giant new buildings. Similarly, as I argue below, the planning was instigated before 1970, to finger Arabs for the “attack.” All of this was part of a brilliant plan to get nations to enter a new world war — World War III.

    How could anyone want a world war, you may ask. Good question, but the record now shows that some person (British lords Esher and Grey) wanted World War I — and made it happen. Poor soldiers living in trenches for more than a year – imagine it – and none of their government leaders, for instance, in Germany and America, seemed to have a clue. The dirt on the Great War (1914-1918) has now been exposed by Gerry Docherty and Jim MacGregor in their book 2014 Hidden History. WWII is likely to have used a similar approach. (Note; in Greg Hallett’s book, Hitler Was a British Agent we learn that Hitler spent the year 1913 at … wait for it … Tavistock in London.)…..’

    She’s certainly not perfect (she supports Trump, for a start) but she is gung-ho on 9/11 and the Boston Marathon ‘Inside Jobs’.
    Hope she gets in as a Senator, but I can’t see it happening.
    All the same, she’s showing the Truther flag in her campaign – can’t be bad!

    • KingofWelshNoir

      ‘Hope she gets in as a Senator, but I can’t see it happening.’

      Ha ha she will be lucky to remain living if she carries on like this! I get the impression that nobodies can say what they like about the Dark Cabal but people in positions of influence (Michael Meacher, Robin Cook?) better beware.

  • Paul Barbara


    ‘…….The trucks carried several US-made Oshkosh L-ATV vehicles, dozens of pickups, different types of weapons and ammunitions, according to Syrian opposition sources. Some trucks also carried fuel and other supplies likely for the US bases in Syria.

    Since June, the US has supplied the SDF with over 1,600 trucks with weapons and ammunition to support its operation in Raqqa city. The latest shipment is likely a part of the US effort to boost the SDF advance in Deir Ezzor governorate in order to capture the strategic oil fields in the eastern Deir Ezzor countryside before the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and its allies reach them.’

    The reason for the US’s illegal presence and attacks in Syria, a Sovereign State, are blatantly obvious – it is NOT to attack Daesh, but to weaken Assad’s Syria, as they are also doing in Iraq, to Balkanise the countries.
    And the rest of the world sits on their hands, or supports the blatant illegality.

  • Paul Barbara


    ‘Strike Fighter Squadron 31 [also known as VFA-31 or the Tomcatters] of the US Navy has released an unofficial video promoting ‘successful’ actions of the military force against the Syrian government in Syria as well as ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

    The video provides a look at a missile strike at the Syrian military airfield in Al-Shayrat (2:35), strikes against Syrian government forces near Al-Tanf at the Syrian-Iraqi border (5:49), a downing of the Syrian Arab Air Force’s Su-22 south of Tabqah (6:12) and an Iranian unmanned aerial combat vehicle near At-Tanf (6:27) as well as mutliple cases when Strike Fighter Squadron 31 air craft were “flying near” warplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces operating against terrorists in Syria.

    The Strike Fighter Squadron 31 is attached USS George H.W. Bush carrier strike group. In August 2017, it returned from a seven month combat deployment in support of Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR) – the US military operational name for its intervention in Syria and Iraq.

    No doubts this video will boost morale of US military personnel.

    However, this does not change the fact that the US-led coalition has no legal basis to operate in Syria and to continue its attempts to overthrow the country’s internationally recognized government.’

    This downloaded video should go viral; the originators removed it, but luckily South Front had already grabbed it.
    Shows the US’s ‘True Colours’, i.e. Murderous War Criminal Hypocritical Liars.

      • Node

        War porn. Money shot compilation. Cowardly.

        I dare say military conditioning trains these pilots not to question their orders, that their commanders know best, that they’re fighting for good and against evil, but it’s no wonder so many veterans end up as psychological basket cases. Line up the cross-hairs, press a button, everyone within 100m of the target dies, fly home for lunch. Pilots aren’t stupid. They have the intelligence and the imagination to know that the awesome power they deploy so casually must take its toll of innocents. Maybe in the theatre of war they cope by just refusing to think about such things, but back in civvie street their own children remind them of what they have done, and how they would feel if someone killed their children, and they can’t pretend any more, and their minds snap. The puppet masters wreak misery and destruction on both sides.

        • Paul Barbara

          @ Node September 22, 2017 at 16:55
          Those pilots knew precisely what they were doing. They sleep well at nights (nightmares or ‘night terrors’ mostly come to decent folk, people with empathy, courtesy of ‘Old Nick’, such as myself).
          These guys know what they are doing – here’s what happens to those who know what they are doing, and question it – ‘On the Dark Side in Al Doura – A Soldier in the Shadows’:

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