The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Just a weird idea;
Could SAH have worked on LPM (local positioning management) with satellites and microwave technology?
LPM is a real time positioning management for individuals and devices.
It is tested for soldiers in war scenes as well as for devices like drones and quadcopters etc.
The manager of the action sots 5000 miles away on a computer and plays SIM computer games with real people and drones.
Bluebird.
Adam Lanza could have gone to SALK.
Then again, he could have sat in his house, with tonnes of baked beans and watched that B (or is that C… or even F) movie….and decided it was a message from God, to him.
People see Jesus in blocks of cheese and decide it’s their duty to bother the starving people of Rwanda with religion.
Who knows.
I know one thing (and the Americans are playing down this somewhat), if that nutter didn’t have access to guns, this would not have happened.
It would (cry the Americans !). But a blade flashing loon “may have” indeed killed children, but as sure as eggs are eggs, he would have been tackled much earlier.
Mochyn78 (I’m making you younger !)
Agree about the “20 military type”. That’s the source I tracked it down to. Then report onwards from there.
The danger is “reporters reporting the reports”.
Flick on any news channel these days and you’ll get the News Achor interviewing the reporter (on reports !).
The Al Hilli case shows clearly one thing.
The “Authorities” only need to release what they want to portray.
As such the “Media” will only report on those things.
Unless of course “Not So Posh Spike” has had a boob job, then it’s all hands to the decks to find out !
It’s actually a perfect set up.
Francis Urquhart would be proud.
Bluebird…
Here’s one for you. (I’m on a roll today !).
I’m not saying it’s true, but shows that “facts” can fit “circumstance.
Mollier at CEZUS works on TIMET fixings (for Boeing).
He has information with regard these fixings, which are on the 787.
Airbus would love Mollier to release this information.
Martin is sent by Boeing to keep an eye on Mollier.
Mollier the metal worker (Boeing/TIMET) is to pass on one of these fixing and a report to Al Hilli (the Airbus contractor).
There you go. All three are linked AND the area of Ugine !
No idea if it’s true, but it all fits in.
Throw in the “recent” problems with approx 7% of 787 On The Ground…and if it’s a BIG problem, that’ll mean more !
And we have…
Facts, people, locations and motive.
But then again…it’ll have nada to do with it !
Congratulations
Kenneth Sorensen
20 Dec, 2012 – 3:56 am – A worthy 10,000 th contribution winner. (It’s OK. I’m used to coming 9,999th lol)
@Kenneth Sorensen
20 Dec, 2012 – 3:56 am
10,000th on CM! Makes up for being booted off MZT then!?
off topic
Main question: Where had Adam Lanza been from 2010 to 2012?
There are some coincidences and interviews that would suggest that he wasn’t there since 2010. So where had he been? In San Diego? At the SALK institute where his uncle Robert is a professor of biogenetics and neuroscience?
quotes:
One of Lanza’s former classmates spoke of his ‘noticeable decline’ after his parents’ divorce. ‘He was a loner at school and hyper intelligent,’ he said. ‘But in recent years he disappeared off the radar.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248782/Adam-Lanza-How-classmates-remember-genius-turned-heartless-killer.html
Ryan Lanza had been extremely cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody by Saturday morning, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records. He told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250326/Adam-Lanza-afraid-mother-planning-involuntarily-committed-psychiatric-home-targeted-children-loved-loved-him.html
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could perhaps anybody of you recognise whether or not this photo below was taken in San Diego?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/18/article-2250173-1692457C000005DC-114_634x469.jpg
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Nancy Lanza:
“’I am still in the same place but getting to the point where I may want a smaller house. I travel a lot, spend time with friends, work with a couple of charities,’ she wrote in one of the messages.
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…. She travels a lot? Without her son? What does he do alone? She would never leave him alone due to what we had heard previously. So then, she did travel with her crazy son just for fun? I doubt so. So then, did she travel perhaps between New York and San Diego?
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quote:
As a teenager, Adam Lanza would come in for a haircut about every six weeks without speaking or looking at anyone and always accompanied by his mother, said stylists at a Newtown salon.
He stopped coming in a few years ago, and the employees at the salon thought he had moved away, said stylist Bob Skuba.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250326/Adam-Lanza-afraid-mother-planning-involuntarily-committed-psychiatric-home-targeted-children-loved-loved-him.html
Bluebird.
Thanks for putting it together like that (reports from mother and brother) although the mother maybe trying to spin her life as “normal and nice” to friends.
However reading your piece I would “assume” he had to be in an institution of some kind (day care / over night care) for at least part of the previous two years.
And further, returning to that institution may have been the “tipping point” required for him to “flip”.
Of course it would be “politically sensitive” to come out with “he was in care already”.
I still cannot see any “foul play” though….
Other than an element in America’s cultural and social decline, which is no doubt continues to be engineered from “on high”.
off topic
Really weird. That crazy movie “Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre” was filmed in the year 2000.
Filming location: Hoboken, NJ
That’s exactly the same location where Ryan Lanza was living!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217780/
Blue…
I guess you didn’t read my post re the three locations ?
Hoboken, New Jersey, USA.
Ocean Grove, New Jersey, USA.
Sandy Hook, New Jersey, USA.
Note, NJ and not CT.
yes, James, I know. But Ryan Lanza lives in Hoboken, NJ. Exaktly where the movie was filmed in 2000. OK; he was 12 years old in 2000 and Adam was 8. So they weren’t in the script. However, there are too many coincidences with that movie. We can think this way and that way. However, whatever we’ll think about this, there are too many coincidences, including that weird movie review of that UK guy posted on the exact day of the Aurora shooting.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/11/hoboken-after-sandy.html
Ocean Grove
James
it is totally weird that they could film a lesbian soft porn movie in Ocean Grove. Ocean Grove is the American Vatican and still privately held by a conservative Christian association that is most likely a member of the Tea party. They even close their Beaches on Sunday Morning!!
Read yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Grove,_New_Jersey
I mean, we could perhaps get a permit to film a soft porn movie in the FBI central office building much more likely than in Ocean Grove. Why did Ocean Grove permit the movie being filmed in their conservative christian territory? That’s another weird and strange coincidence.
quote:
Since 1980, the Auditorium has hosted an annual memorial service for New Jersey law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. The service includes a full Honor Guard, bagpipe procession, and singing by state high school choirs (Princeton High School and the West Windsor-Plainsboro High School South choirs have performed in the past). Police, soldiers, National Guardsmen, executive-level officials, and the governor typically attend.
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There are some names and locations that simply don’t fit or else are meaning more than any coincidences could be, and I tyr to be no conspiracy fan but tend to stay with facts and logic.
But Bluebird, be aware of traps, so to speak.
What do I know ! I know nothing.
But I can link things.
Because we can do that (and it is known that people can) we fall into traps, I feel.
There are many people that do not understand how the Zapruder film plays an important part in the JFK killings.
Others talk of 9/11, yet miss the importance of “WTC7” falling.
In essence it is perfect.
We look for links, yet miss the biggest link.
The NRA is there for one reason only…and supported “by the people”. How cool is that, if you want an “unstable” people.
Or is that Antidisestablishmentarianism.
I knew one day I could use it !
Replace “church” with power, so to speak.
People against people against people. It’s perfect.
And how it works ? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylu3x72WHTs )
Finally, let me do some conspiracy for a moment. I know that this is crazy and you are allowed to beat me up for that idea, you may call me words and I excuse previously. It is a completely nuts theory that I had an hour ago, but I want to share it:
1. What if the children weren’t killed but abducted?
2. What if only the adults and the Adam Lanza were killed?
3: If so, were are the children?
4: What did Stan/Christian Maillaud investigate?
5: What could the words “Lingerie Party” mean for pedophiles?
6: Now add up 1+2+3+4+5 = ?
OK, I am sorry for that weird fantasy. It is pure conspiracy and based just on what we know and that we don’t trust the government any more and neither do we trust the BS the media are trying to tell us. I am not upset if you are calling me names for my strange combination of conspiracies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo&feature=player_embedded
Bluebird
Is it San Diego, I can do that I thought but not with so little in focus.
Could be anywhere, even San Diego.
Any other photos or a clearer photo for a possible for SD?
I would probably say no its not, lack of palm trees in the photo. The building in the distance looks like a church but I cant find any likelt churches in SD that dont have palm trees somewhere.
Bluebird…
Theres and old saying in these modern times, and being a bird you should know this.
“Don’t forget to fly the plane”.
Meaning, with all the instuments and the data coming through, with all the bells and alarms, with everything….remember you have to still fly the plane.
Don’t always trust your instruments.
I can see all the links you have made with Lanza.
But lets just say he was a nutter. And you’ve linked everything “backwards” to that.
I think, but don’t know, that there is an “on high” and their interest is to keep everything “unstable”.
No “real” gun laws does that. You’ll always get a nutter.
And meanwhile the NRA make their point with “the right to carry arms” and the others say “there has to be some control”.
Liverpool had the dacks and a pub on every corner.
Hitler had The Jews.
America has “The ConstiBill o’ Rights” !
All serve the purpose.
The House of Saud has “religion”. Yet (I am told !) they land in other countries…not to get off, but to take on “the dreaded champagne” !
Control !
Why Al Hilli/Mollier interest me is…
the control appears to have broken. Intervention was needed.
That’s when the “hand is shown”.
Off Topic….Completely (but “control”).
I note the English now change the rules.
The first born is now the “ruler”.
Wonder why ?
Is that because if “Willis” has girls, the line passes to Harry ?
If Harry had a boy, then surely the “King” would be from Princessessess Di and that Household Cav polo player.
They can not have that.
Control again !
Would the English care who rules them ? Maybe in the years ahead. It maybe “uncovered as a “sham”. Which to be fair it is.
Anyway…. look at my points.
There is thought there.
I have to go on “christmas party number four” !
When will it it.
But only a wee one tonight (no flying !).
And I look forward to everyones comments. “Mrs James that wants to be” will be upset if I don’t arrive…upset or looking bored (pilots tend to be boring !)
@ bluebird 20 Dec, 2012 – 3:59 pm
“could perhaps anybody of you recognise whether or not this photo below was taken in San Diego?”
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/18/article-2250173-1692457C000005DC-114_634x469.jpg
I guess it is not San Diego because there are no palm trees, not that every beach area has palm trees. I think where the Salk Institute is, at La Jolla, a bit north of San Diego, there are not so many palm trees, more eucalyptus and low trees like what are in the picture, but that area is largely on cliffs – no low beaches.
We need a person expert in tree types whatever they’re called, arborists maybe.
For why they’d get a permit to film soft porn (or even hard porn) in Ocean Grove, mostly you don’t tell them exactly what you are filming. The “working title” on the script, if they want to see that, is something like, “Miss Deborah, Hero of the American Revolution” and the “action” pages if there are any – usually not – just leave those out.
It’s like what happened with the cast of the movie they wrongly blamed for Benghazi that was blasphemous to Islam. The cast thought they were making a Biblical movie. The blasphemy part was put in later.
NR
La Jolla doesnt have a harbour which the photo looks like it is.
The cliffs by La Jolla is where I go to watch the surfers. Small world isnt it.
The harbour suggests Mission bay but most likely Shelter or Harbor Island but they all have mainly palm trees. San Diego isnt the place to go in summer if you are looking for a shady spot.
James, you are funny. Now, about the “boring” part – just let loose in real life some of what you let fly on these boards now and then. You’ll live to be be accused of much, but boring will not be the adjective of choice.
PS agree about pilots. But I also know underneath the personas they need to wear for the job, there’s all that inner life……
Mochyn69
20 Dec, 2012 – 1:37 pm
The DM printed this:
“Intelligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris are said to have been at the scene of the murder hours after it happened.
They were tipped off by contacts in the French Interior Ministry as soon as the identity of the car’s owner was confirmed. According to the French TV station Demain, locals described embassy staff as being ‘military types’ and numbering around 20.”
(Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html#ixzz2Fd7hZml0 )
Everything about the 20 military types is sourced to “Demain TV” by the seems of things, not what you can call a mainstream channel. though it is widely reported across the media and never contradicted by the British Government or French Ambassador who surely would have done so if disputed or untrue? This is a bit about DemainTV which seems to concentrate on business and administration. It is French and prides itself on interviewing people at source.
“Gradually abandoned by the group Canal + , tomorrow! almost disappeared during major upheavals occurred between 2001 and 2004 within the group. However, in early summer 2004, Ymédias , represented by its CEO, Yacine Sabeg journalist, is acquiring. In November 2006, the channel changed its name to now be called “demain.TV” .
Reports from the field, interviews with business leaders, local elected officials, forums, tips, fact sheets; demain.TV or give presents to all those who wish to change their job or lifestyle, tools and advice to succeed. Since 1997, demain.TV proposed tens of thousands of jobs in France and abroad, thousands of training places for all ages and all levels and thousands of businesses for sale.
Since its inception, demain.TV offers its online content. All information provided on the screen are available on the portal of the chain. There are fact sheets related to employment, training initiatives, and companies to take the fight against discrimination.”
We haven’t heard much about DomainTV on here or discussed it much.
History [ edit ]
The existence of the town is attested in Roman times under the toponym Cabalina . The name can have two origins: either it is a village founded by Caballinus or place used for the maintenance of the Roman cavalry one . Remains of a Gallo-Roman villa in the village of Loche
Church dedicated to St. Martin , dated xvii th century by Raymond Oursel 6 . However, it is sometimes said she dated xii th century. We speak also today of “chapel” 7 . It contains a antependium in cordovan leather .
Cascade of Hell Hollow
Rosay and pastures of the mountain of coal
The “Croix du Roy” at the top of the mountain of coal
“Horse Butcher”; “Cabal”; “Combe d’Ire”; “Cascade of Hell Hollow”; “Coal (black?) Mountain”; “Cross of (the) King”. No better place for a massacre?
Tess2012 (OP)
User ID: 23281742
Ireland
09/06/2012 11:33 AM @ http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1979963/pg2
“Hmm. I was watching live coverage on Sky this morning. They sent in loads of ‘police’ to do a search of the area. The newscaster mentioned the police were ‘military types’. Just watching it now and there are soldiers there. Why’s that then I wonder?”
Where Al Hilli worked in Hawthorn: from Aristide Torchia
User ID: 7485754
Switzerland
09/06/2012 11:44 AM @ http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1979963/pg2
It’s old news I know but it is alleged that…
“He was set up by Mi6 in 2007 in a front company called AMS1087 which did aircraft based photography. They were based at the Delta office park in Wiltshire which is built on part of the old ‘Turnstile’ nuclear Command and Control bunker and is still owned by the MoD. He was loaned RAF trainer aircraft at no cost to help him get established as well as pilots and because of these advantages his company originally thrived however once he started to visit Iran in late 2010 he lost a lot of (MoD supplied) private contracts and the business almost collapsed.
It’s location: Hawthorn is the location of a number of defence related underground facilities in the vicinity of Corsham, Wiltshire. Specifically the Hawthorn site was the location of an above-ground bunker used for the planning of satellite communications support to the United Kingdom’s armed forces worldwide. These facilities had been built in quarries cleared through the excavation of Bath stone. The quarries have variously been used for Military Command & Control, storage, and the emergency fallback seat of the national government. Some areas of the quarry complex were hardened and provided with support measures to ensure resilience in the event of an enemy nuclear attack.” ????????????????
Picked up at MZT 12-20-2012 at 15:10:06
http://ghirardini.blogspot.ch/2012_09_01_archive.html
Here’s another interesting bit i ve not seen discussed here:
@Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11634244
Canada http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1979963/pg2
09/06/2012 11:59 AM
“Areva is involved with the Tokamak Cooling Water System.
Beatrice Annaratone was a Tokamak scientist killed in a tragic roadside accident along with her husband Arturo Tanga in 2009. Their 12-year-old daughter witnessed the accident, but survived.
[link to http://www.iter.org]
[link to iopscience.iop.org]
[link to www2011.mpe.mpg.de]
Beatrice Annaratone had worked with the Max-Planck Institute.”
I’ve not checked it out so no idea if it’s true but sounds good. What’s the significance of Tokamak. Two potential links tho (areva and max planck)
Uzi SMG
Mini Uzi
Micro Uzi
Uzi Pistol
Ammunition caliber
9mm Parabellum
Operation
Blowback, firing from open bolt position (OBP)
Blowback, firing from closed bolt position (CBP) or OBP
Blowback firing from CBP
Mode of firing
Automatic, Semi-automatic
Semi-automatic
Magazine capacity
20, 25, 32
Rifling
4 grooves, 1 turn in 254 mm
Twist 1 turn in: (mm)
254
Muzzle velocity (m/sec)
400
375
350
345
Rate of fire (rd./min.)
600
CB-1700, OB-950
1700
–
Weight (gr.)
W/o magazine
3500
2650
2000
1700
Empty magazine 25 rd.
200
Loaded magazine 25 rd.
500
Dimensions (mm.)
Overall length
650
600
486
240
With stock folded
470
360
282
–
Barrel length
260
197
134
115
Sights
Front
Post
Rear
Aperture “L” flip type
Aperture
“U” notch
Sightline radius (mm)
310
230
180
Unfortunately this looses table so difficult to read. The four Uzi semi automatics all use a 9 mm bullet apparently which rules them out IF we can rely of French statement as to 7.65. However I thought it was worth noting they all use a 25 bullet magazine. Yes folks TWENTY FIVE. I’m sure it’s not significant. I don’t suppose the French could be as wrong about their ballistics as everything else?