The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Blue…
Your talk of SALK. Oddly the James Holmes was there !
Worthy of note and probably previously covered.
James, I got something for you. And for ALL!
I am very excited.
The Champion family actually is more than the Champion family.
The Champion family of Kingston is the “Champion de Crespigny” family !
I found a lot of links for this family. First of all for Adam’s genetic defect: IMBREEDING! (as supposed in Royal families)
Reason: Both the Lanza family (through Clara Hammond) and the Champion family have as ancestors the Duke of Normandy. I will give a few ancestor names and a link lateron.
I was suggesting that even ex Royals will always try to marry their own blood. My investigation did prove me correct.
You should also know that before Independece, Kingston was the capital of the British Colony. The Champions living ins Kingston isn’t an accident.
Now for James. There is even an HERO flight captain from the Champion family:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/richard-de-crespigny-qantass-captain-marvel/story-e6frfq80-1225948836103
James, what do you think about this flight hero from the Champion de Crespigny family? 🙂
And then we have another flight hero from the Champion family:
He was the commander of the British air force in the Iraq war during WW2!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Champion_de_Crespigny
There are many more heroes, but I need a “part 2”, otherwise I would post too many links here.
Here is a list of the Royals and top families who married into the Champion de Crespigny family and who created that family branch (not necessarily in the right order).
From the Netherlands:
Ariana De Courval Duchess
The van Etten family
Others:
King Alfonso XIII Of Spain & The Indies (1886-1941)
Queen Victoria Eugenia Julia Ena Mountbatten Of Spain (1887-1969)
Duke Of Segovia Jaime Prince Of Spain and Emmanuela De Dampierre De Dampierre
High Steward Walter Stewart Of Scotland (1292-1326)
Beatrice Of Normandy
Duc Richard I Richard De Normandie and Gonnor De Crepon Of Denmark
Duc Richard II Plantaganet De Normandie
William Champion De Crespigny Sir Bart Mp ( -1829) Married with Sarah Windsor
http://www.e-familytree.net/f5580.htm
Something more in part 2 …..
Part 2 regarding the Champion de Crespigny family:
I found one company in Australia for Nancy Champion de Crespigny that was closed in 2008. I do not know whether or not there is a second Nancy in that family, but she could have had a company there as an American, couldn’t she?
http://businessprofiles.com/details/de-crespigny-nancy-champion/AU-44307131864
There are a lot of Champions in Australia. One of them seems to be a very important personality. There was even a post in davidicke regarding this Champion guy. He seems to be something like Mr.X.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058338795
There were also some Champions who ended with a bullet in their head:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30813F73E5D11738DDDA00994DD405B808DF1D3
http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Article/freepress19520304-1.2.2.aspx
And there were some other Champion heroes, like that one:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ESSEX-UK/2005-10/1130241291
And that one in South Africa:
http://theauxiliaries.com/men-alphabetical/men-c/champion-de-crespigny/champion-de-crespigny.html
Well, Nancy Chmapion comes from a remarkable family, particularly when we look at that guy in Australia who was a topic on davidicke and when we look at the Quantas flight capatin. But the airplane stuff is definitely James’ job. Can we form a conspiracy with that airplane captain hero or was all that quite normal? Does it fit somehow in your theory regarding airbus and boeing?
Hmmm !
Yes, he was on the A380. There first one !
What is also “strange” about that incident is that Qantas had a real go at Airbus (and Rolls Royce) over safety.
In fact they had a second incident and grounded the fleet.
Qantas became very vocal about it.
There were ongoing issues…and later Emirates and a few others grounded the fleet (had a friend who sat on the ground for a couple of months on “leave” due to this).
Now wasn’t there an al Hilli relative at Qantas ?
Ali Al Hilli. On the “spanners” ? I had forgot about him.
Jeepers !
Mollier (Timet/Boeing),
S Al Hilli (Airbus),
A Al Hilli (Airbus)
Martin (Boeing) !
The thing with the dreamliner is that it’s “light” and therefore the fuel savings will make it VERY popular. It’s a pretty important edge to have in the airline world.
“Robert Champion de Crespigny, A.C. Director
Pyott-Boone Electronics designs, manufactures and markets technologically advanced, reliable electronic monitoring and communication products to the underground mining industry throughout the world. PBE also offers high-quality, efficient contract manufacturing and testing of customer-designed products.”
http://pyottboone.com/about/board_of_directors
“Mr. Champion de Crespigny is currently the Chairman of Crosby-Textor Research Strategies Results and Advisor to Barclays Natural Resource Investments.”
Strangely, Pyott Boone’s featured client list doesn’t show mining companies, but all the big aerospace/defense companies.
Robert Champion de Crespigny is, of course, linked to many of the resource companies we discussed previously: SNC-Lavalin, Barrick Gold, etc.
“IT WAS a master stroke to end a conference in Adelaide with a presentation by Robert Champion de Crespigny, one of South Australia’s favourite adopted business sons now setting himself up in the re-born mining capital of London.”
What is going on !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20813441
Boeing using spuds to test wifi !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20318605
Bad spud harvest may hit chips !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20126452
Bananas are the future !
It shows what you find when looking for the latest news on Boeings Dreamliner
Re: Holmes. Salk Institute & DARPA. This is from the edit/discussion pages of Wikipedia.
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:James_Eagan_Holmes/Archive_1
“James Eagen Holmes, 24, was adopted and Mrs Holmes, 58, and husband Dr. Robert Holmes, 61, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc., a company that worked with DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking.”
In the summer of 2006 he [James Eagan Holmes] worked as an intern at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies where he was assigned to write computer code for an experiment. Holmes, who was described by his supervisor as stubborn, uncommunicative and socially inept, presented his project to the other interns at the end of the internship, but never actually completed it.”
“Again, it is unusual that people from Salk are giving harsh criticisms of Holmes academics, yet Holmes did graduate with Honors from UC Riverside.”
Titanium is funny stuff !
Timet (CEZUS) for Boeing.
And Rosoboronexport…again for Boeing.
But I never knew that the American “defence” dot gov could buy it form Russia.
Then again Rosoboronexport is a funny outfit (Boeing don’t mind).
They’re into also of deals with Syria and Iran.
That maybe a link that puts Al Hilli with Mollier and Martin !
Rosoboronexport
“Russian manufacturer selling missile equipment to Iran
Intelligence report presented to Congress shows that Russia’s state weapons manufacturer is supplying Iran with satellite equipment that also has military applications”
That’s from a Jewish online “rag”
And
“Boeing’s $27 billion titanium, tech deals with Russia”
Friday, December 7, 2012, 12:29 PM (note the date !)
Titanium links in with CEZUS, Timet, Boeing, The US Military and Russia !
Oh … and satellites !
I am guessing satellites use titanium ?
Guess that could link Mollier and Al Hilli then !
Three people charged………..The home’s owner, Monserrate Shirley; her boyfriend, Mark Leonard; and his brother, Bob Leonard, were arrested Friday and charged with murder, arson and other counts in the Nov. 10 blast that killed two people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/prosecutor-announcing-criminal-charges-in-deadly-indianapolis-neighborhood-explosion/2012/12/21/d3917f7a-4b85-11e2-8758-b64a2997a921_story.html
More on the Longworth deaths from the explosion on 10 Nov with comments
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069816-three-charged-with-murder-arson-in-indianapolis-house-blast?lite
How much would these drivers get fined for blocking in so many fire trucks at Sandy Hook Elementary School?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/16/66/27/3892716/3/628×471.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.timesunion.com/news/us/article/Man-kills-26-at-Conn-school-including-20-kids-4118512.php&usg=__B0348aiCYm0pXpACGJ5drNAImco=&h=445&w=628&sz=72&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=0CSf-R1DkZHCDM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=198&ei=iWLVUOjtArCA0AW724CwBQ&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=185&vpy=164&dur=36&hovh=189&hovw=267&tx=166&ty=125&sig=112092931598180586549&page=1&ndsp=2&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:69
@ James 21 Dec, 2012 – 4:16 pm
“Bluebird : The house looks huge for a “stay at home mom” who works a “couple of days” at a charity (very christian that is!)AND she was getting a packet from the ex husband (239,000 USD). What did he do to her ! Is is that normal in The States ?”
From http://www.bellenews.com – “Peter Lanza’s lawyer Gary Oberst said: “He was very upset that he was getting divorced, but he didn’t want to take it out on anybody.
“He did more than he had to with the divorce. When he came in to consult with me, I said ‘This is what your obligation is.’ And he said: “That’s not enough. I want to do more.””
“Peter Lanza agreed to pay $240,000 annually to his ex-wife, and Nancy Lanza appeared to live in comfort with Adam. There was also suggestions that she was unable to work.”
“She needed to be home with Adam,” one family insider said.”
Re: Adam Lanza – “He was not on Facebook, unusually for any Westerner of his generation, and did not appear in his 2010 High School Yearbook. Instead were written the words: “Camera shy”.”
Verrrrrrry suspicious behavior! Concerned citizens should immediately report anyone not on Facebook to the appropriate authorities. What do such people have to hide?
“Yet behind the front door in the affluent Connecticut community of Newtown, all was not well at 36 Yogananda Street.” [Nancy & Adam Lanza’s home]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda
“Claims of bodily incorruptibility: Time Magazine, 1952: Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery in Glendale, California, where Yogananda’s body was embalmed: “The absence of any visual signs of decay in the dead body of Paramhansa Yogananda offers the most extraordinary case in our experience…”
http://www.zoofence.com/amper24.html
“… echoes [of] Yogananda, the Gita, Immanuel Kant, the Kabbala. To be sure, Robert Lanza writes here in the language of science, not religion; but that is because he is a scientist.”
More like a shameless self-promoter skilled in using the resources of the much venerated and much quoted Huffington Post. Wonder if devout leftist Arriana gets a cut of the take?
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2011/06/227-robert-lanza.html
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2011/06/228-lyndon-larouche.html
http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/
“I spent a couple of years rolling pennies and eating canned spinach and pasta while I tried to understand the universe.”
More on our friend Lyndon, with whom SM or SM’s pops was affiliated.
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2011/06/228-lyndon-larouche.html
“Drawing on the resources of the already existing (worldwide) LaRouche Youth Movement to do, well, whatever youth movements do? (It really exists, btw, and bears all the hallmarks of a cult; the spokesperson is one Barbara Boyd and it seems to be led by Lakesha “Kesha” Rogers, a certified nutcase.”
LaRouche was originally a Trotskyist (under the name Lyn Marcus)… LaRouche promoted the use of physical violence… He established relations to the extreme right… during Reagan (particular over drug policy and staunch opposition to environmentalism). He eventually turned from (some semblance of confused) Marxism to anti-Semitism…”
“He also erected a quite wide-ranging intelligence network and a surprisingly large international organization (or somewhat militia like cult) with ties to a frighteningly many questionable regimes, including South Africa’s apartheid regime and Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath party.”
One might think LaRouche would support Robert Champion de Crespigny because he is a proponent of nuclear power and big in uranium mining, likely connected to or providing product to Areva.
However, the opposite is true because de Crespigny champions (pi) the cause of indigenous rights in Australia, Africa and around the world, which LaRouche sees [probably rightly so] as a British engineered scheme to deal with indigenous peoples directly and swindle them out of their minerals.
“Cartels attack national sovereignty.(November 20, 1998) By Allen Douglas: “The push for “Aboriginal reconciliation” is a racist fraud organized by Her Majesty’s raw materials firms.”
There is a strange but excellent film from 1983 by Werner Herzog, “Where the Green Ants Dream” about Aboriginal groups versus mining companies in Northern Australia.
LaRouchians are also opposed to not only environmentalists but also animal rights movements and appear at their meetings to protest and pass out brouchures.
NR
Holmes said that he had no idea regarding creating software code when they put him into that departement. Well, he had to sit in front of their SALK computer screens all day long by doing some work …
In my humble opinion, robert lanza is the key person in that riddle. I wonder about why no journalist has spoken to him since the event and why nobody except myself had ever talked about biocentrism ideoligy of robert lanza (there is no death possible).
His mother should also looked at closer. He killed those kids with whom his mother worked. media says jealousy. This is BS. This guy could have been a nutter, but he was still intelligent. But thats another story.
Honestly, we are off topic. Although i believe that every event links somehow to another one, we should better open a new topic, shouldnt we? Jon?
Is the longworth case now solved and closed? Certainly for police. I guess that in the SAH case they will present us some kind of Dominici nutcase, too. Why? Because we dont stop to ask inconvenient questions.
NR
I was long searching for the title of this novel because i read it long ago and did only remember the plot.
But Lanza and his mother and sandy hook did immediately remind me of zhat book:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stepford_Wives_(1975_film)
What do you think?
Off topic but still on topic.
With all due respect to the very clever researchers on here, I fail to see any connection between the Sandy Hook killings with those at Chevaline. I have a healthy suspicion of government on occasions, the Al Hilli/Mollier murders being one but I do not believe that every mad, sad, violent event involves corporate or governmental conspiracy. Seeing conspiracy, lies and danger everywhere is what leads to Americans in their millions feeling the necessity to keep an arsenal of privately owned weapons which leads to a sort of national paranoia and to the sort of mass killings we have witnessed. When you allow everyone and anyone to own guns, this will inevitably include the criminal and emotionally disturbed. Under all the bonhomie and arrogance, America is a frightened place. We must be careful on here to remain rational and proportionate or it risks being rejected for being fantasy. A bad case of chucking the baby out with the bathwater.
Meanwhile back at Chevaline I don’t think we are being fantasists drawing attention to either the coincidences or inconsistences which are a mile away from suggesting mind control experiments for the mass killing of children at an elementary school.
Maybe we have gone as far as we can with the Chevaline murders unless the press or politicians are prepared to ask searching questions of government or investigators. It is surely unacceptible for the British police to hide behind an excuse that this is a French led investigation, for not informing the public where they have got and what they have discovered. Four of the six attacked were British citizens after all. We need to know if the search for the murders is being helped or hindered by matters of National Security. Nor has any explanation been given for the quite exceptional search of Al Hilli’s home. This not of a perpetrator of the crime but the murder victim. It would be interesting to know who issued the necessary search warrant and on what grounds it was obtained? What necessitated the involvement of the bomb squad and army personnel? What required the use of interstitial cameras? Why oh why are the press not asking these pertinent questions and how do we get them to do so?
Tim…
The “police” haven’t even concluded (well in public) if the target was Al Hilli or Mollier… or both.
And that is a touch of brilliance on their behalf.
Both parties have an “interesting” past and it would follow that some small detail would indicate which one (or both) would have been the target.
Unless of course we are dealing with THE luckiest mad man in the history of random shootings.
He not only “randomly” finds one bloke with 850,000 euros in a Swiss bank account (with no explanation as to where it came from), and who also has a taser at home…
….but also another bloke who’s just been granted three years off work, who’s divorced a hairdresser and “knocked up” a millionairess and who was currently riding on a four grand racing bike towards a mountain bike trail !
Un …. believable !
And if that’s not enough, the “star” witness happens to have a company who’s accountants appear to be the accountants for several mercenary outfits in the past !
But what the hell. The “press” can’t find a story in that !
Back to “has not-really-Posh had a boob job” ?
Dion & Jennifer Longworth’s deaths and Richmond Hill explosion:-
I have considered and have a few questions:-
1) If the Shirley/Leonard household went to the Casino on Friday evening and the explosion was at 11.10pm Saturday, why no smell of gas from the neighbours?
2) Maybe U.S. new build houses are so airtight to not leak, creating a large gas build-up. Would a natural gas planned to explode this way be able to create an explosion of this magnitude?
3) Would any insurance company ever consider insuring homes for terrorism claims with natural gas fitted?
4) Did they confess to setting the microwave timer or was part of the microwave miraculously found and able to lead to that conclusion?
5) a)Without being able to read the meter of a disintegrated house, how does the power company know that there was high gas usage before the explosion?
b)If they could tell, why was this not announced by the power company sooner?
6) I am sure that the ‘official line’ was that it couldnt be because of natural gas because the Shirley house wasnt connected. This was the reason we started speculating about propane usage in the house instead.
7) The brother Bob Leonard Jr is one of the three charged, how and why was he included?
@ bluebird 22 Dec, 2012 – 12:52 pm
Re: “Stepford Wives” – If there are not “real” Stepford wives, and husbands too, many of the upper-middle-class people act exactly as if they are pre-programmed, following some brainless script, carrying out mindless rituals. If I might recommend another movies, it is “The ChumScrubber”. A dark comedy about affluent parents, video games, drugs in high school, attempted murder.
@ straw44berry 22 Dec, 2012 – 4:13 pm
Re: The Indianapolis explosion. Those 3 have got to be among the stupidest criminals ever. Why did they think they needed the biggest explosion possible to collect on insurance? A regular explosion would destroy the home. Why ask gas company employees questions about how to do it?
Why disconnect the regulator – something I doubt they could have done without setting off a fire or explosion – a regular slow leak would fill the house, say in 6 or 12 hours. Unless the police meant they misadjusted the regulator. Considering they’re not too bright, how would they know a microwave would make a spark internally to ignite the gas, or did they put something in it to catch fire?
Some new houses are indeed practically air-tight for energy efficiency, which causes other problems, build up of dangerous or at least annoying chemicals from out-gassing of wall-board, plastics, mold, etc. Then the tradition is to sue the builder.
@ Tim V 22 Dec, 2012 – 2:41 pm
Barring any new clues made public, we’ve mined the Chevaline murders for every possible nugget. The only option is to take the off-topic stuff over to Icke where we need to format words and sentences in multi-colored, multi-sized fonts to fit in with the true conspiracists.
@Tim V
You are quite right, the Uzi can take a 25 round magazine. I got interested in this quite some time back and posted about it here, but I think it was before you joined so perhaps worth repeating.
What I discovered was of interest was that any 9mm parabellum weapon can easily be converted to 7.65mm parabellum simply by changing the barrel: the cartridges are identical, so the rest of the gun will work just fine without alteration.
There are references on wikipedia to this if you want to look it up. As far as I recall, one of the original Lugers even had interchangeable barrels so it could fire either 7.65mm para or 9mm para, but converting an Uzi (say) to 7.65mm para wouldn’t be a big job for any national security agency.
Not sure how much time I’ll get to follow/post over the coming days, so thought I’d take this opportunity to wish everyone who celebrates it a very happy Christmas, and happy holidays to all.
They never did say “what gun it was” did they.
That’s “strange point” number 769 of the known unknowns.
Now why the hell would they do that ?
Out of interest, does anyone have any thoughts on the Maureen Kearney (AREVA union) attack ?
i agree with others who feel that the Sandy Hook massacres and questions surrounding them belong in a different thread. I understand that the convoluted nature of the Chavaline murders, the clear evidence of national security and government agencies involvement, and coupled with our collective – and frustrating – lack of access to the information available on the case, tend to lead to al kinds of projections, suppositions and conspiracy theories. That much is understandable – Chevaline IS and WAS a conspiracy to deprive the outraged populance form knowing the truth, so it is natural to hon in on the topic of “righteous outrage”
And while I would like to give Robert Lanza his dues for his Biocentrism** concept, just because he is one of those scientists who feel compelled to wrap human knowledge into a more mystical dimension (ie, overcome the divorce between science and religion) , doesn’t mean that his concepts will give rise to anything either practical or executable by agents of state. Personally I happen to think his ideas make for a clever framework – as someone who read through some of his essays with a measure of interest, I can attest to the fact that most everything in his concpt is built on the same kind of wishful thinking that most religions are founded on (ie, a deep wish to transcend our very real and – dare I say – extremely annoying – mortality).
As such, IMHO biocentrism is no more likely to advance our quest for “solving” the Chevalin murders than is my very own – and entirely original (hardly!!)- Metaverse paradigm whereby we are all just bits of programs and software with all physical existence being but a very well constructed illusion. The concept of a “Matrix” is nice as a tool for channeling, organizing or sometimes, kind of. “explaining” strange coincidences and the very interesting linguistic and/or numerical happenstances that we often find around us and that are legion in this particular case. “My” matrix can, in fact, give rise to some of Lanza’s biocentrism’s assertions without going off the reservation. Ultimately, the question is – not how clever our theories (or anyone’s) are – but how useful in advancing our understanding of things around and within us, without making us feel hopeless or unduly unhappy.
In this last respect, Physics has been wildly successful as a human construct, along with Chemistry, Biology and most of the engineering they beget. Obviously, the filed of Economics has been a lot less successful – at least by my criteria as has Psychology been. But these prejudices are another discussion too.
I guess what I am saying is that Robert Lanza and his theories are not very likely to provide us with useful angles to help us crack the Chevalin murders case, though as speculation it is fun. Like many others here, I can obviously theorize as well as the next guy but I wish we had just a few more facts.
Anyways, though we are at a ind of impasse with this case, awaiting new revelations, I think we should continue to build up the case for agency involvement even through all the fog. By keeping it alive and slowly filling up the gaps, it is my belief that blogs like this have forced the cover-up artists – and the agencies they represent – to commit a few unforced errors (cf. EM’s recent “revelations of the 99.5% certainty) – pretty much every time an official interview is given. Logic, I think is a funny thing. YeIt may look like going around in circles, but almost every time anyone does, a new, small opening is seen, a tiny crack that makes the next circle a bit less fanciful and just a couple of percent closer to the “truth”.
Sorry for the long, rambling and content-free post. Will try to do better……
___**disclaimer: I first read of Lanza’s Biocentrisms constructs in a Huff Po article some years back and found them interesting as they took off from one of Physics’ more curious concepts known as the Entropic principle (which maintains that our universe, including all the laws within it, are as they are precisely because we are in it – ie, it is uniquely adapted to our own consciousness). Believe it or not, this “entropic model” is actually considered a legitimate enough approach, even an elegant one, but has only been useful (at least so far) as an explanatory tool, not a discovery one. it’s one of those things that you can hold on to it, build fancy mathematics around it, use it as an angle to analyze cosmological or elementary particle observations, but remains, in itself, elusive and perhaps no more useful a guide for furthering knowledge than religion ever was). BTW, as the originator of the “ultimate matrix” I claim more foundational principles.