The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
For Pink :
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/01012350402-suicides-a-l-onf-le-gouvernement-promet-de-mieux-accompagner-les-agents
Manny
23 Dec, 2012 – 8:39 pm two door rover 214 (later version) manny although photo has squashed it a bit
Et la lumière fut
Thank you Tim on the rover ID!
@NR
What about…..
“Hillists”
“Alaners” (may get us confused with people who like the name Alan)
“Dirers” (clever use of the D’Ire word there !)
“WTFers” (even clever use of the term I say when Eric speaks)
“MILF” (oops ! Random thought !)
“KH793” (that’s a cool one !)
@ James 24 Dec, 2012 – 12:59 am
“@NR What about….. “KH793″ (that’s a cool one !)”
That’s so cool and obscure I had to look it up. Code name for the Chevaline / Polaris nuke project. But also, “KH793 Lincoln Welding Helmet Silver Carbon Fiber…” SM! It is a Masonic plot, I tell ya. They always leave obscure clues so their members know they have the power to do these things. 🙂
@ bluebird 23 Dec, 2012 – 9:00 pm
A search on [+”Christopher Rodia” cnn fox wnd newsmax dailykos dailybeast] produces nothing. No MSM or left/right sub-MSM is interested, only conspiracy groups.
Imagine if this was one of Sarah Palin’s kids or one of the Royals. The media would spend millions flying reporters and lawyers all over the world to investigate.
Of course, this doesn’t fit the politics – if the shooter was simply mixed up with low level druggies and thieves it derails the gun control “dialogue” and the mental health one too.
The rightist are calling for a National Registry of Mentally Ill Persons who couldn’t buy guns. (Which would not have worked anyway since the alleged and dead shooter wasn’t “mentally ill” at all.) To go with the registries of paedophiles, alleged domestic violence abusers (who already can’t own guns) and the famous No Fly List where knows who’s on it, how they got there, and it’s near impossible to get a name removed.
A clearer explanation with pics n vids.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/sandy-hook-shootingsuspect-car-linked-to-christopher-a-rodia-and-drug-family-of-norwalk/
@HOLMES.PT
Thankyou for your response can you elabororate on why you think investigators would cover for political reasons,I can see that the reforms in France are causing much hardship ,just looking at the loss of workforce in the forests which must be hard for locals trying to find new jobs , and the extra pressures this brings not only to the remaining workforce but to the proper management of the forest.
I had also noted the decline in agriculture much the same as here where I live and the pressures that the changes will have on the local environment .
How does this tie into the murder investigation or reasons for not solving it ?
If you are local perhaps you could help with a little local knowledge can you tell me are the forestry guards armed and if so what sort of gun do they use ?
@ Pink Less Forestry rangers is a good thing for smugglers and poachers and the families they feed and squatting on at same time.
But opens up vast areas where al-Qaeda affiliates are claimed to be starting fires to disrupt economy, not to mention make a haven for pyromaniacs… I usually associated suicides like this with corrections officers I read some time ago here in the states. I never imagined such a career in that field was so risky. If these are nationally owned areas..I imagine the next step would be privatize. So who would stand to benefit most from such unusual cut?
@“It is “a real family photo. Both women were smiling and did not seem worried. This suggests that everyone was relaxed at this time” , described Eric Maillaud. These photos were taken before including the hamlet of chalets Arnand, a few kilometers from the killing. The latest photos were taken at 15:15 September 5, 2012, a little over half an hour before the warning given by relief at 15:48 amateur cyclist who discovered the four bodies. They have been shown in recent days the inhabitants of the hamlet “to see if they remembered something” , said the prosecutor.”
I am truly curious about that photo..says the 2 women smiling..does not mention girls..gives time stamp but we know exif data can be changed..but not underlying data which would tell hown many pcs and programs it went thru. Foto forensics could tell us a lot as well as a very near exact time by the shadows and light in the picture, which is how some software can mimic correct light by built in tables.
I recall someone here or at Ickes posted the Doussier location and house with flowers..was there a parking in front ..did they walk to place? that time must be factored in as well..wich would make it not 23 minutes..but even less. I do not think they drove to the fatal spot at 60 mph like the ambulances to make the time..so time must be even less after all is said and done.
@NR – here is one:
“Chevaliers” – can preface with “Grand” – grand chevaliers – has a nice ring to it. Sounds like a multitudinous cavalry (no one needs to know that there are just a few of us chickens here, right?).
Here is another:
“Les Martinets”
Also, what was the name of those bicycle enthusiasts to which Thierry and Claire belonged? “Sapaudiens”? I remember I liked the ambiance of that name – it sounded conspiratorial from the get go – a little underground-ish. Wonder if it’s copy-righted. if it is, can do “Sapaudiens Fous” – then no one will mess with anyone here – for sure. Even katie may return to get her sign-in sheet (hopefully without Mr X in tow – he is a scary one…)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/video/news/sky-news/4526709/Alps-shootings-Brother-denies-conflict.html#ooid=ZjOXR0NTqkNhYIOIXfvcTOnSci5JEiar
In this video the man who led me to believe SM was on a mountain bike,1.02 followed by Sylvie Lacoeur stood outside her house.
74210 Chemin du Moulin, Chevaline, Haute-Savoie, Rhône-Alpes, France .
Put address into google maps and get a view of the various roads
and then photos of bikes at campsite.
Tim v
I am not satisfied with the hussein al hilli interview.
They still do not reveal who hashim al hilli really was “some kind of diplomat” … Oh yeahh. Hillary Clinton is also “some kind of diplomat” and so was Churchill some “kind of diplomat”.
Why dont they reveal the already known truth and why is the telegraph journalist too dull to already know and ask? Why are the hiding such important information?
When the al Hillis were such Saddam enemies, why could Balsam’s brother become technical manager of the Saddam owned Iraqi airways?
No word about Ali.
They are hiding info and that makes them suspicious.
Why dont they mention that they were part of the London group, opposing Saddam and planning and lobbying for both Iraq wars?
Marlin
Sapaudians means nothing else than Savoiens.
This is the Burgund name given to the area by the Romans. It was first mentioned in the Nibelungen saga because the heroes there were Sapaudians following the King of Burgund.
@Bluebird
24 Dec, 2012 – 8:42 am
I can understand your frustrations but I think you should look at the situation more from an intercultural angle, especially where this kind of information could possibly get you beaten up, if not shot dead in the woods.
There is a concept in intercultural communication called ‘high context – low context cultures’.
Most Anglo-Americans, and I daresay many Europeans (apart from the French) are low context and that means we have to spell it out literally that Hillary Clinton, or Winston Churchill is who you are talking about, whereas to people who are from a high context culture, such as the Chinese, Iraqis and I guess Iranians “some kind of diplomat” may be loaded with meaning.
http://entelia.hubpages.com/hub/Rudiments-of-Culture—Iraq
Pink
I think that man who SM was a mountain biker is deputy Mayor of Ugine, Michel Chevallier
If I am right he identified SMs body too! Impressive I dont think my mayor could id me.
I have always wondered if he could do that for all 7000 Ugine inhabitants.
NR
Thanks for that link. Very good summary.
It is interesting that most people on Christopher Rodias facebook friends page started to post like nutters regarding the sandy hook massacre on dec 15. Some of them even had angel graphics ready to post in dec. 15th. They are posting almost every hour. Why the Rodia friends? Is that a sect in Stamford and closeby.
Once again. The pictures on some friends and family members look like pedo pictures. I cant stop thinking of that.
And then there is that:
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Joseph_Rodia
http://www.bustedoffenders.com/new-jersey/spotswood/sex-offenders/joseph-a-rodia/757335b
And then we have this:
http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/MA306041/Ronald-J-Pelletier.html
A Ronald J Pelltier is on Christian Rodia’s facebook page.
It is now 20 years later than the mugshot picture but it looks similar.
Pelletier family, Bruno family and Rodia family are connected with family links through their mothers.
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/thehour/obituary.aspx?n=joseph-j-bruno&pid=155716629&referrer=0&preview=True
http://www.norwalkfh.com/sitemaker/sites/hoytco0/obit.cgi?user=kathleen-pelletier
And Lanzas are connected to this family with Barbara Lanza-Coppola.
I am thinking of Mr. Savile who was going to abuse mentally ill children.
What if ….
What if there was the shooter and the second guy said to the children: Run. Quick. Come with me. Lets run into the forest towards my bus and drive off the scene quickly. None of the shocked children would question the WHY as they usually do and were taught to. They just would proceed and run as quick as possible. A perfect abduction …
Ok. That is conspiracy and a strange one of course.
Straw
As much as i can remember, the mayor was in the board of directors of the ugine rugby club sitting next to roger mollier there. Therefore it is likely that he knew sylvain very well.
Thanks Strawberry and all sorry no time as working catch up later.
@ bluebird 24 Dec, 2012 – 8:42 am
“Tim v : I am not satisfied with the hussein al hilli interview.
They still do not reveal who hashim al hilli really was “some kind of diplomat” … Oh yeahh. Hillary Clinton is also “some kind of diplomat” and so was Churchill some “kind of diplomat”.”
From a comment I made at marilynztomlins.com
You know what’s missing out of the Telegraph story? Any mention of SAH’s wife or the grandma from Sweden. Maybe it’s cultural in Iraq not to discuss the women. Or they’re intentionally left out of the story.
Way back, at the start of this, someone posting at Craig Murray and David Icke, when there was all the talk of the D-Notice, said they had a friend at a Swedish newspaper who would ordinarily give a hint as to what’s going on. But on these murders would not even return phone calls, which led the poster to believe there was some equivalent of a D-Notice in Sweden.
Lyndon LaRouche’s people and the Schiller Institute with whom one or more of the Molliers was involved via the Solidarité & Progrès party — the LaRouche people were involved in heavily harassing Swedish PM Olaf Palme for some years before his assassination, supposedly on behalf of the CIA.
We can hope the British or French media send someone to Sweden to interview people. If they were willing to investigate in Iraq they could spend money to do that next.
NR
This is an actor. We had actors in the SAH case, too.
That story is totally unbelievable. He had the kids in his house and he did know that the teacher was dead but he did not call police and there was no cop for half an hour? Come on! And the bus driver let them go with an old guy into his house?
This is stupily set up and acted like the BM story.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Uoh6HurUf4M&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUoh6HurUf4M&gl=DE
Hear that clip 3 times and you will understand the errors of that script. It is exactly setup like the BM script with time inconsistency and with people who forgot to call 911. I can imagine the bus driver telling police that the kids are in a house nearby with an unknown old guy whom I do not know. I let them go with him. How long they are there? Well, perhaps half an hour. Usually, if the story were realistic, the cops would have been in that house 2 minutes later. That story is so unrealistic. This is another actor. I dont buy his emotions either. Badly acted. Just another BM.
Crises actors
This is an extremely good video. Much recommended. It leaks crises actors such as BM and Gary Aked. There were already crises actors after 9/11.
Watch it please. You won’t regret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rH1etCHhmQ
There is the interview again. In one of the two interviews he mixed up his script (bad learning) such as BM mixed up his script in every new interview he gave us.
Question. Why is his black Honda partially covered with a white blanket? What sense does the blanket have?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQ3hPcxdQA
There is another possible reason for why the Martinet crime was frozen for hours. What if there were jurisdictional disputes at the highest levels of the British and French governments and their respective secret services? Or their teams of script writers were having trouble coming up with something to even partly explain what happened?
Eugene Rosen WOW
Look who is on his linkedin contacts and look his list of clients. WoW!
Somebody tried to delete him from his linkedin contacts but failed. He did only delete the link but not the contact. From the other side round i still found him. Pity for the clean team failure. This is exciting:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/geoanderson
However the pet care professional has more contacts:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kathleendavis8?trk=pub-pbmap
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/grace-newton/34/941/453?trk=pub-pbmap&_mSplash=1
There is NO Doubt the Eugene Rosen is workung for the government. However, he is the same lousy actor as it was BM.
Could somebody with an ATS account please move forward this info to the ATS board? NR?
Geo Andrrson is quite something. Do we get a link to Adam Lanza and Robert Lanza with Anderson? I need help here!
They have a seperate topic for that government setup story.
Now look the contacs list of george anderson.
Barack Obama directly!
Katz: ” The anger guy”
All the other guys there. This is THE picture of Sandy Hook.
Please forward Anderson and his contacts list to ATS if possible. You dont need to mention the blue bird as its source.
Eugene Rosen did leak their conspiracy. There was a government plan in Sandy Hook. Period!
Could somebody make a screenshot of those 4 linkedin pages please? (see my post above). I am sure that the CIA clean team is now alerted!
http://www.linkedin.com/in/geoanderson
Is Anderson Obama’s “emotional intelligence” coach?
I bet that he is.
http://angerblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/obama-a-real-life-model-of-emotional-intelligence/
He simply missed to coach Eugene Rosen properly. Who was BM’s emotional intelligence coach?
@ bluebird 24 Dec, 2012 – 11:11 am
I don’t have ATS account. Will look at links later.
There was one strange statement on someone’s blog saying Time Magazine is demanding – ordering, “This Speculation About Adam Lanza Must Stop!”
Also, Michele Bernadette Lanza died in the 9/11 attacks. Some are saying she was related to Peter, but maybe they’re just matching last names. I don’t do genealogy stuff well.
Later
NR
Interesting. Michelle Chamberlain(!!) Lanza sas the wife of Robert Lanza, the neuroscientist, biocentrism et al. She “died” in the tower in where she “worked” in an empty floor. Crises team? She worked for government agencies in washington and virginia. Government agencies in virginia? CIA?
On 10/2/2001 a senior writer on davidicke says that she was a fake victim. 11 years ago! Crises team?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1060932365
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/04/the-story-behind-the-9-11-documentary-finding-nicholas.html
This was obviously set up for media. Whether or not she died we dont know. But the plot around her “death” was a media script. The davidicke guy could not know that her name would be an issue 11 years later!
Michele has a sister Susan Chamberlain. Not enough all those biocemtrosts and neuroscience guys in that Chamberlain-Lanza family …
Susan speaks with the Dead oney!
http://www.aiht.edu/newsletter/vibev8n1/healingfrom9-11.asp
http://www.aiht.edu/gradprofiles/911tribute.asp
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_happened_to_Susan_Lanza_from_the_documentary_telling_Nicholas
I found a Susan Chamberlain on facebook but i dont think that she is the same person. However, she posted a pic of Eugene Rosen as if she knew him. She is totally into pets.
http://m.facebook.com/SusanYC?id=1538348946&_rdr
More important:
Look where Michele Chamerlain Lanza worked:
http://www.riversideresearch.org/
Doesnt that sound common?
Why do I know? Obituaries reveal best info:
http://www.9-11heroes.us/v/Michele_B_Lanza.php
There is at least a link between 9/11 emotional media crises management and Sandy Hook emotional media crises management. Media release is fake as fake can get. Same for BM crises actor, P.D., and Gary Aked et al. Crises management actors. Paid by government and briefing by government.
Extremely interesting and eye opening.
I wish all of you detectives a merry christmas. Must fly to my nest now.
Blue,
I dont really know linkedin but is that Obama not a contact but it means that someone viewed both people’s linked in account?
True straw, but …
I did review the linkedin system for a long time. Those contacts are no accident except for famous people in the media headlines like SM or SAH. And even then there is no John Doe listed but relatives and friends. In such a case you can be 99% sure that they had business connections.
Hartford CT is on Andersons clients list. It is said that Eugene Rosen worked 20 years as a psycholigist in Hartford hospital. So you see that the business connections are not random. They must look at each others profiles for being listed. That is a must. If you dont watch the profile of the guy who was watching you, you wont get listed, even then if 1000 other guys are watching both profiles.
Manny
24 Dec, 2012 – 4:37 am covered this point many times but may be worth repeating – it’s not the time between photo (3.15pm) and first telephone call (3.48 pm) but the time of the shooting at 3.30 as determined by three witnesses independently which has been supported by the police. Of course we can’t be absolutely sure that the “30 seconds of gunfire” was the sound of the killer shots, but in the absence of any other shots in the critical timeframe, it is highly likely it was. So we have fifteen minutes at the outside between photo and fatal shots, this to include the time to pack five ppl into the car, drive the several miles, park up, get out of car and meet up with Mollier who had to arrive unless already there. This is a quite impossible timetable leaving aside the fact that they would have had to have passed Martin on the way up and he has not said so. So I conclude that if everything else is reliable, the most likely explanation is that the 3.15 photo, or time on it, is not.
I have put a sliver of new information up at Icke. Not exactly a breakthrough..any suggestions for further action, or comments welcome
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061217184&postcount=1757