The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Tim V: Any word from the French investigators on the “car careening downhill” incident that killed Tokamak scientist Beatrice Annaratone and her husband Arturo Tanga? Was it a case of “Boston brakes”? FWIW, IIRC, etc., the ITER facility where they worked also employed Jerry Sovka (stepfather of the killer colonel Russell Williams) at the time.
It stills seems odd that an out-of-control car careening down a hill could hit a family out for a hike with such precision that only the two parents would be killed, sparing the daughter.
http://www.iter.org/newsline/113/1596
I guess that’s how things happen in accidents sometimes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/23/fusion-power-is-it-getting-close
“The barrier is finding a material than can withstand the neutron bombardment inside the tokamak.”
Would that material be a new alloy?
Every time I read about the tokamak, I think of terrestrial gamma flashes, which are hotter than the sun’s surface. Then there is that matter of the antimatter they produce.
Posting excessively, but is the alleged connection between Nancy Lanza and DARPA through IBM and its cognitive computing developments (IBM is in a nearby town), or is it something like this:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/how-robots-could-recycle-dead-satellites-in-orbit
Astounding IBM research on rewiring the (cat) brain:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/18/ibm_darpa_synapse_project/
@ felix 24 Dec, 2012 – 3:24 pm
“I have put a sliver of new information up at Icke. Not exactly a breakthrough..any suggestions for further action, or comments welcome”
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061217184&postcount=1757
The link doesn’t work for me. Just a solid green screen (Icke color). The rest of the site is working OK. Maybe MI-6 has put a D-Notice on what you said? 🙂
I am the first to agree with you on this Bluebird
24 Dec, 2012 – 8:42 am. If you read my early article on the subject you will know I aimed my criticism at the French police investigation AND the way the press reported it. This is weeks before your impressive discoveries regarding the Hashim/CIA/Brit intell/pre Saadam Iraqi connections, which I am sure the press know about now, and may have known about from the beginning. They are still not advertising the fact for whatever reason, whether it be ignorance, deference, old boys’ network agreement, fear in the light of Leverson, D Notice or whatever. I agree with you this background is crucial to understanding the Al Hilli’s relationship with both east and west. That it is still being censured points to its sensitivity still and probably to SAH’s continued activity, otherwise tho embarrasing possibly, it could be shugged off as old history. Like you I can’t say I am happy with the Telegraph article either (what can one expect from an organ owned by the Berkeley brothers?) but I merely observed the fact that at least Hashim’s existance saw the light of day, which metaphorically speaking might prove the indicative crack in the dam. The other significant bit was background on reclaiming the property altercation and the, perhaps unintended, light it throws on the influence Saad could still summon up presumably from the American authorities to regain it, for who else would have had the ability to take on these apparently formidable “squatters”? This remember was almost immediately following the chaos of the invasion. Could he have even got in there without assistance from the occupying forces let alone reclaim a property after 30 years. He clearly didn’t do it judicially. He had access to real clout. The only explanation can be that he was regarded highly by the Americans and probably an asset of theirs, or seen as one of the British, allies in the invasion but in the south of the country. It raises the question as to whether he was predominantly working for US or Britain or both? What we can fairly confidently predict from the property issue he was working for one or the other or both. I wonder what else he did for these agencies whilst he was there?
Straw44berry
24 Dec, 2012 – 9:09 am and this reminds me that I think I remember seeing the Mayor was called Didier something which is slightly co incidental i thought given Phillipe Didierjean’s name. This fellow as we all know started off as off radar, then FIVE days later (!) appeared as “Phillipe D” then eventually as “Phillipe Didierjean”. The identity of his two female companions has never been reveal nor have their accounts been made public. PD was said to live locally yet as far as I am aware has never appeared on any list of householders/residents. I can’t believe that he was a total invention although I do have doubts that is his real name.
@ Felix
24 Dec, 2012 – 3:24 pm the next question is did they carry out a post mortem here in addition to anything done in France or did the Home Office pathologist travel to France? In circumstances such as this (murder on foreign territory) I am sure it would be normal procedure to order an autopsy here and the bodies could only be buried with the permission of the Coroner.
Sorry
Q
24 Dec, 2012 – 4:59 pm I can’t add anything to this story which I understand happened on the 20 Dec 2009? What we can be sure of is that we don’t know much about the cutting edge of the next generation of military or civilian applications. However we are on fairly solid ground to assume it is all of interest to national governments and particularly those under threat or contemplating offensive acts or that most of these always involve metals the technical specification of which are always critical to their operation. Obtaining and protecting such information are two sides of the same coin.
May I be the first to wish all you sleuths (where has Kookie gone?) Happy Christmas. (You have no doubt deduced from this that anyone typing away on here on Xmas Day morning must be some sad lonely fool with little chance of a visit from that jolly man in red – and you know for once, you could be spot on. lol)
Felix If I were a girl I would Marry you..well done!! It is not only Sliver it is pure Silver ..:)
..The 13th? LOL was same day Bretts site..nefertitis site in the Abiodun case….all updated..and also when Leo reappeared..nice all clear. I like the crisis management with Gary Akad..never liked him from day one..I think this other “cousin” helped really stick the knife in Saad when he said how confrontational he really was..radical even Saad had become..and Added..which I did not see before support for Iran and Lebanese militia in the latest article.. With family like this..who needs friends? Maybe they laying foundation..groundwork for him as a real traitor..funneling funds to these other groups under everyones nose.
But the problem is..Intelligence people..know what money smells like too, so do wives. He could not do it under eyes of these people while working between so many sensitive project..From Airbus and fatal glitches to Satellite and particle Physics..
I think they should stop while they are ahead..but maybe they are in too deep now to just shut up.
Morning all and Merry Christmas .
@TIM
Hey Tim sorry no visit from Father Christmas here’s a video to watch cos all the films on telly will be naff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooy2LTJoMVM
If you fancy a bit of sleuthing whats this all about ?
http://banquedefrance.biz/3.html
Tim v
Hashim was CIA. So it is most likely that the family did not change sides. However, aied allawi once said that he worked for 15 intelligence services. So there are chances to work for more than just one.
Horses: i was wondering that there were always the “horses” vocabulary in the discussion regarding the french translations. I found some russian crook speech translated at court hearing in usa when they talk about horses/victims there. Anybody interested in that source?
BM & other actors.
This is the crises team. Prepared actors who shall support the official version.
Eugene Rosen was one of them in the Sandy Hook shooting. The main state dept. person, neuroscientist George Anderson from the University of Souther California who is the “emotional intelligence” coach of Obama, is directly linked to Eugene Rosen on linkedin.
There we have the first hand approval that these people are briefed actors to support the official versions for the manipulated media. We are already living more in 1984 than we had thought that we do. Ministry of Truth and faking truth are everydays business of our governments.
I shamelessly copy this whole from the discussion on Craig’s return: “Back From Baghdad”. Hope it’s OK as it’s “in house” and relates to Chevaline. I claim copyright immunity under fair use or maybe I can say I was making a satire.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/back-from-baghdad/
“Clark 16 Dec, 2012 – 12:05 am
“Murdered ex-Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko worked as a paid agent for the British security service MI6, […] He was also employed by Spanish intelligence investigating links between the Kremlin and Russian organised crime,”
“Promiscuous, these spies, aren’t they? For the Spanish Spooks, this spy was apparently investigating links between one of his other employers and “organised crime”. So he could just look that up, or ask his colleagues, yes?”
“I reckon the fetish for “outsourcing” has been taken to an extreme, and half the world’s spooks are freelancing. Just join multiple countries’ stupidity services, and sell everyone’s secrets to everyone else (until someone does you in). If you join two agencies, you have two buyers. Three memberships enable six possible transactions, four memberships gives twelve; the incentive is obvious.”
It reinforces points I’ve made before. Grandpa al Hilli in Malaga, Spain, where both the Russian Mafia and Irish gangsters/drug dealers hang out, plus Americans indicted for aiding Israelis in obtaining restricted US nuke accessories, plus who knows who else. Oh, the money transfer people, possibly related to the arrested and alleged Nigerian scamster, Abiodun, in London.
Clark’s last para is exactly what the LaRouche people do. Discover some vital fact from side A, maybe obscure public domain, and sell it to side B, or trade it for a more valuable interesting fact to sell to side C.
@ bluebird 25 Dec, 2012 – 10:39 am
“Tim v : Hashim was CIA. So it is most likely that the family did not change sides. However, aied allawi once said that he worked for 15 intelligence services. So there are chances to work for more than just one.”
“Horses: i was wondering that there were always the “horses” vocabulary in the discussion regarding the french translations.”
I thought it was an error of machine translation, like al Hilli = ornaments or decorations, but someone here or at MZT set me straight. It is correct French. Chevaline=Horse Butcher, the name of the shop where you buy horse meat, so a machine translation to Horse Murder(er) is not wrong.
“BM & other actors.This is the crises team. Prepared actors who shall support the official version.”
It must make actors in New York and London and Paris furious, that these services are using semi-skilled amateurs.
It’s understandable why they must or otherwise people would see the crisis actor on TV and go, “Wait a minute, that’s the dude that was in Les Miz,” or, “What’s going on, she was our server at the bistro two weeks ago.”
So if you need obscure actors, Denver is a good place to get them. But who pays for them if crisisactors.org is not a full business. Is it a service from Homeland Security to help towns practice for the Zombie Apocalypse? They do OK for that – no speaking roles – just grunting, and the make-up and prosthetics are photorealistic.
There is a story in Time Magazine, “The Speculation About Adam Lanza Must Stop”
The commenters rip into the author, pointing out she is a big proponent of NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness, which supports Pharma and the mental health industry, and doesn’t want any questions about the chance that drugs cause people to go unbalanced and on killing sprees.
They also point out Time Magazine is filled with Pharma ads, so it’s about as reliable as the Huffington Post.
The commentors at least mention the problem with the ownership of the car that alleged shooter and allegedly dead Adam Lanza was driving, and all the mis or dis info about weapons and where they were located.
Someone made a good comment, “Why can’t we see the school surveillance videos?” They show vids for every convenience store shooting. It would show what weapons the shooter was carrying. They’ll find a judge to rule those “too morbid” distress the families, etc., usual line.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/21/sandy-hook-shooting-the-speculation-must-stop/
Kenneth/NR
It works OK for me. Otherwise,just to to the last pages:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=88
et seq
@Tim
I will try to get some more info from the Surrey coroner. One can only try. The coroner is outside freedom of information law, even though they are on the public payroll.
”When Kadhim left Baghdad in 1981, the property was stolen by another family, so after Saddam’s fall in 2003, Saad came back to reclaim it,” Hussain recalled. ”But he went to the house alone, and there was a dispute with the people living there. A woman answered the door and started shouting at him, and then two men started kicking him and punching him. Saad came home bleeding from the head. When I saw him I told him: ‘Are you crazy? You should never have gone there alone, you could have got killed.’
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/annecy-mystery-still-to-be-unravelled-20121225-2bv7v.html#ixzz2G6CPdHOk
This is a virtual word-for-word repeat of the Telegraph article (how do these things work?) We’ve already discussed aspects of it above and drawn inferences. I’m reposting this bit because it repeats the suggestion that Kadim’s family left the Iraqi house in 1981 which as far as I am aware is inaccurate. I thought it was 1971 when Saad was 8. If I am not wrong on this, why are the papers repeating such an important mistake?
@ felix 25 Dec, 2012 – 11:42 am
Kenneth/NR : It works OK for me. Otherwise,just to to the last pages:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=88
et seq
Sorry, it was a quirk of the set-up I use, that blocked display of a single comment, yet showed the whole page of comments. Don’t know why it does that on Icke.
Good work on the FOI request to Surrey police. An idea if by chance we have among us any Patrons, Angels, Sugar Daddies or Mommies. They could request satellite images of the area for specific dates and times.
0.5 meter resolution images are available, good enough to distinguish cars.
One such service is Satellite Imaging Corporation, http://www.satimagingcorp.com/ the official Value Added Reseller (VAR) of imaging and geospatial data products for: GeoEye, Astrium, Rapid Eye. They only quote prices per specific inquiry.
“To provide the best quote possible for Worldview-1, Worldview-2, GeoEye-1, Pleiades-1, IKONOS, QuickBird, SPOT-5, SPOT-6, RapidEye and Landsat satellite image data and processing services, we will require a description of the area of interest (AOI) to search the archives or perform new collection feasibility.”
“Rush tasking orders for satellite image data around the world are accepted in support of live events, natural disasters, global security, and various other applications in which FAST delivery of image data is critical. In most instances, we can provide image data within 24 hours after the initial data has been acquired and delivered via FTP and DVD media.”
I noticed another service was selling images of China for US$150 per image and up to $500,000 for specialized sets and data analysis.
Tim
I read the hussein blog because olifant was so kind to translate this for is several weeks ago.
In fact, Kadhims family lived in London from 1971, and Hashim’s family, too.
In Hussein’s original blog there was said – as much as I do remember – that Kadhim kept his Iraq business until 1981. He was obviously travelling between his family in London and his business in Iraq regularly. I believe that this will answer your question.
However, there are still a lot of riddles regarding Kadhim and Hashim that Balsam and Hussein could easily solve by forwarding the necessary information to the media. Unfortunately there is no bright enough journalist to ask them the relevant questions. If we got this public information (we do not ask for any privacy details), the picture could get completed and we would stop digging into the family’s privacy.
I would start with my questions regarding Hashim’s public life in the year 1938. That is one of the key issues.
@ Tim V 25 Dec, 2012 – 8:58 pm
“This is a virtual word-for-word repeat of the Telegraph article (how do these things work?)”
If the new organizations are part of Associated Press, Reuters, AFP, etc., there’s a reciprocal agreement that they share stories, or individual papers could have such agreements between themselves, or failing that they might plagiarize and say “sue me”.
I believe in the US it was legally resolved that the TV networks have the right to use the feed, without prior permission, from a competitor in the event of “major disasters”.
In the public interest and such. The first one there is considered a pool reporter.
“If I am not wrong on this, why are the papers repeating such an important mistake?”
It’s a total mess. None of them bother updating their prior web pages to correct mistakes. And now the MSM is running totally unvetted real-time Twitter sidebars that become part of the MSM story and take on the MSMs imprimatur of “accuracy” and “respectability”.
Great idea NR
25 Dec, 2012 – 10:11 pm. I have always suggested the possibility of satellite being used if this was a state killing and the value of us being able to access the same but you have supplied the detail. If only we could those pics for 3.30 5.9.12 all (or much of it) would be revealed!
I agree with you Bluebird
25 Dec, 2012 – 10:13 pm as regards the useless journo’s who without exception appear unable to pose the the searching questions that may throw some light on things. If after torturing his brother and other members of his clan, Khadam kept returning to his vacant property for ten years under the watchful eye of Saadam, he was either very brave or foolish or under some sort of protection I would have thought?
NR
25 Dec, 2012 – 10:32 pm – You would think that “foreign” newspapers would at least check out the story and add some original bits or alternatively admit its a straight lift from somewhere else.
I found a link between al Allaf, al Saffar and Morange/Schutz biomed.
However, we do not know very much regarding that science and SAH himself does not fit into this picture at all. That link is too weird and i do not consider this as being on topic or realistic.
It is about neonatal and embryonal stem cells science. Strictly suppressed in France by law due to ethic concerns.
Could criminal groups have adopted stem cell smuggling by using their drugs infrastructure? We do not know very much.
Are stem cells representing more value than illegal drugs?
@Tim V
25 Dec, 2012 – 8:58 pm
‘This is a virtual word-for-word repeat of the Telegraph article (how do these things work?)’
Are there any journos, or academics out there who could explain this to Tim?
Basically the day of ‘our man in Havana’ is well and truly over and the MSM companies buy their news either from the news syndicates, or the wire news services (news agencies) such as AFP, Reuters,etc.
One reason good investigative journalism has gone out of the window.
Pay attention to what he says at 6.00 on about leaving the scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLgnAaM9Ws&feature=youtu.be
I hope everyone had a good Christmas
James (off-topic)
Felix is investigating this on Icke, it was an old thread and I dont know yet what intrigued Felix to suddenly give it fresh life, but as a pilot your input could help him enormously.
A single-engined plane with capacity of 10 makes 3 landings in California heading for a ski holiday with 17 on board including 6 children and lots of ski equipment crashes just short of Butte airport. Remains found all four plane extremities…….