The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Also Iraq’s museum of modern arts was looted under USA protection.
http://artofthemideast.com/special-features/red-list-baghdads-stolen-works-of-art/
In this link there is also a pdf with a list of all stolen modern arts.
Some of the stolen arts was accidentally found in mail addressed to the UNO in New York as diplomats mail (diplomats mail isnt checked by customs).
Realistically BB, there’s no point in looting anything if:
1]you don’t have a buyer
2] If you do have a buyer he wants the item & will care for it.
3] A buyer has no use for the item of he cannot show it off.
4] I think one should not overlook the altruistic side of ‘looting’.
5] These people are very proud of their country & history.
6] The crime is in not returning them when peace arrives.
If the Americans stole artefacts then what possible good are they if they cannot openly show them in their own museums ?
I see no point in hoarding something for the sake of it…….plus the danger it would incur.
Ah, but there are many that do like their “private collections”.
And then again, things like that are “inflation” proof.
Cash is no good. Hard to transfer without a paper trail and easy to spot when discovered.
Then there is the question of “provenance”.
Could this be “the papers” that are spoken about ?
Storage of “art works” in bank vaults is not uncommon.
But who would buy such a “work” ?
And what would be exchanged for it ?
Again “cash” ? It is too difficult to handle.
Crossing into a country (or leaving a country) with a large amount of cash would be a gamble too far (for the buyer or the seller).
It is an “idea”, but there is no “flesh on the bones”….other than the large amount of cash in SAH Swiss account.
And that is after all in “cash”.
Then again (or is that “yet again”) the French haven’t said anything about that either !
@Eric
Where did the cash come from mucker ?
Katie
Sorry to say that, but i do not think that you are so naive as your post appears to be. Your answer looks therefore very much constructed.
I give you that link once again:
http://www.khawam-brothers.com/en/historique
Does that name ring a bell? I give you a hint: Florida, Patraeus, CIA, Chiristians.
Of course they wont sell those items in a catalogue nor in a shop. However, they know the customers who are willing to spend hundreds of millions for Tut ench Amon or for a Sphinx or for the first written laws in human history. Those customers are not necessarily Americans. They are Russian, Arabs, British, German, Swiss, you name them. Since you cannot sell this at Sotheby’s, you need people with contacts. As for modern arts, use e.g. Guggenheim to find potential customers.
This isnt easy, but when you know those trade experts and when they belong to your organisation, and they know the customer, trade is possible. You wont see those items in museums. Who currently owns the Bernstein-Room of the Russian Czar? Certainly it is not in any museum or else we would not need to search it.
I’m not in any way naive or ignorant of this business BB, I know reputable dealers wouldn’t touch stolen goods with a barge pole because once a reputation is tarnished it will never be clean again or trusted again.
This is a trade which operates on trust,research & provenance,
I am not saying there are no cowboys in the industry of course there are, I AM saying, much of the Bagdad looting was for altruistic reasons by Iraqis …….don’t run off at a tangent on so many side shoots.
No Katie
The looting was performed by mercenaries paid by wealthy Westerners. Why should some Iraqis steal from their museums? Trade this in the Bazaars of Baghdad or Basra? Lunatic!
Those were the Americans and their allies.
Of course such business is not legal at all. But it is still being done and there are high margins.
Quote:
” Pieces that are real jewels of the most remote antiquity have begun to appear in Los Angeles and New York.”
Source:
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/14-04-2011/117582-The_tragic_fate_of_Baghdad_Museum-0/
As i said before: Since more than 200 years, British, French, Americans, Germen, Spanish et al, are stealing and looting culture during their warfare. The most lunatic in that regards were the British in human history. They did steal whatever they could find. 100 years ago they could exhibit their theft in their museums even until today. For the past 40 years you can sell this only to private collectors for big money. This is organised theft by warfare governments. It is always good when one ancient arts trading family is part of the organisation. They know the customers and they are being delivered by the warfare organisation for cash that is directly used for paying and bribing their local AQ mercenaries.
3 people killed, two wounded by automatic gun just north of Sion in Swiss Canton Valais, and area which belonged to the dukes of Savoie around year 1300.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valais1300_english.png
Starting in 1384 the Morge stream (a little below Sion) was recognized as the boundary between Savoyard, French speaking Lower Valais and German speaking episcopal Upper Valais.
“Why should some Iraqis steal from their museums? Trade this in the Bazaars of Baghdad or Basra? Lunatic!”
I am not prepared to argue with you BB, it is clear why Iraqis took ‘some’ artefacts, first to protect them from damage in an escalating war, the other to prevent the Americans or foreign agencies getting them.
Are you so blind you cannot see that ?
The days of stealing such goods are now limited,the art world is a close community, items can be tracked all too easily on gossip alone.
I repeat should a reputable gallery/museum be caught getting involved they are finished in the main market & legally bound to report anything offered illegally.
Unlike many here I still believe there is good in the world & not everyone is motivated by money……
It also has a dramatic (but the view is nice) airport approach !
..and it’s not cheap to get stuck there !
Katie
I have no doubt that those were paid Iraqi and AQ mercenaries. As much as the looters of the Cairo museum were paid Egypt mercenaries. However, those people did not trade tge artifacts. I bet that with sufficient miney i can find and pay more than 10.000 new yorkers to loot and burn down the museum of modern arts in NY. Particularly during times of uprise and turmoil. It is always the same question: cui bono?
Tell me why some iraqi criminals would send diplomatic mail from Baghdad to the UNO Iin NY with stolen arts? I could not send diplomats mail because i am no diplomat and those mercenaries arent any either.
Once again: Khawam ….
Here is more info:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/reportsfromabroad/middleeast/2007/09/why_baghdad_doesnt_care_about.html
http://iraq.usembassy.gov/iraq_in_focus_museum.html
Quote:
Wa’el DarwishMontreal
For the first time somebody dares to tackle the point view of the suffering Iraqi peoples. More than four million were displaced. Over half a million killed. Hundreds of thousands were injured. Iraq became like middle ages country!One time the electricity and water were in every small tiny village.
The history of Iraq for thousands years was looted from the Iraqi museum by the invaders. What else? This is happening in the 21st. century! Our media talking about few thousands American casualties, but no one is talking about millions of Iraqis are dying or suffering!!As some one put it: Iraq had faced this destruction only once before, at the hand of the barbarian Holacko, the Chief of the Mongol invaders in the Middle Ages. At that time Baghdad was the world’s capital of civilization. Now it is in the hands of G. W. Bush the Chief of the Neo-Con.
Thank you madam Ayed. You did the hard work about the truth of what is happening in Iraq. If such crime committed by other country in this world; what would be the reaction of the Canadian government and the others Western countries? Are the Iraqis not human being? Only the Sudanese in Darfur are human beings!! G. W. Bush must be brought to international criminal tribunal. He represents the worst of the Americans values. He has changed the image of the statue of liberty into the statue of Abu Ghureib.Thank you CBC for allowing the discussion on your site. Keep telling the truth.
Posted September 13, 2007 05:37 PM
Eric may have found his man !
I bet the French “spin machine” is in overdrive.
And cars are racing from Annecy’s justice building….
Five, four, three, two….one.
“We ave de killer” !
GAME OVER. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
THANK ZEE PRESS and add on the Belgium Pharmacist also.
and other “random killings” you want to add ????
My ref to the heli crash in Kazackhstan was the wrong one. In The Times 27th December there was this report: “Astana. Yesterday was a day of national mourning in Kazakhstan for 27 ppl killed an air crashon Christmas Day. The head of the border force, Turganbek Stambekov and 15 other senior officers were among the dead. Their Antonov An72 crashed in bad weather 12 miles short Shymkent airport on an internal flight from the capital Astana’ President Nazarbayev ruled out foul play. (AFP)” APOLOGIES FOR MISTAKE.
Sorry BB, what you are saying is that there are no decent Iraqis who care for their cultural history… in my view nothing could be further from the truth, especially as both Pink & I have quoted a curator saying he wanted to protect the items.
Who wouldn’t ? I know I would in similar circumstances.
You are trying to say that those who have studied their subject for a lifetime would just let these art works flow out of their country , taken by their enemies.
Think again.
James
The swiss guy was a drunken drug addict who had an argument with his uncle who was a retired police officer. He shot his uncle and killed his uncke’s family and some accidental bystanders. It’s a local family intern event.
Katie
Dont tell me what i wanted to say. Reading your answer i understand that you understood nothing. You did not even try to read my links and quotes. You are inventing defence for theamerican and british theft and you really want to tell that it were the iraqis who stole their own culture. To do what with the stolen arts? Selling it in the Bazar?
You could have read my quote that the director of the miseum had asked for help and security but the americans did nothing. They even supported the theft while it was going on. Not surprisingly, because this was their own business.
Katie, this is NOT the first war where this has happened. WW1, WW2, etc. The same did happen world wide. This is government business just like the world wide drug market is gov business.
… and while we are discussing iraq ….
There are twenty five cultural heritage museums dispersed around Syria, many with artifacts stored outside. It has been reported that Homs museum has been looted and that only the museums and monuments of the capital, Damascus are safe from looting and destruction from the escalating warfare between government militias and armed rebels. The Prime Minister of Syria, Adel Safar warned on 11 July 2011 that “the country is threatened by armed criminal groups with hi-tech tools and specialized in the theft of manuscripts and antiquities, as well as the pillaging of museums” and called for increased security measures. This warning about the future situation has been interpreted as encouragement for the regime to participate in looting, as is suggested to have happened before in the times of Hafez al-Assad.[12]Hama museum was also reported to have been looted on 14 July 2011 and a golden, Aramaic statue dating to the 8th century BC was stolen. The doors were not damaged in the incident, possibly indicating staff responsibility for the looting.The Museum of Raqqa, known as the Qala’at Jabar Museum was also looted on 1 May 2012. Stolen items included three figurines of the goddess Ishtar and potterydating to the third millennium BC.Roman mosaics were looted from Apamea with Roman floors were ripped up with bulldozers.Two capitols from the collonade of Decumanus, the main (Roman) road in Apamea.The Museum of Deir ez-ZorThe Maarat al-Numan Museum[12]Security at the Museum of Idlib has also been raised as a concern by Syrian archaeological heritage under threat. The lack of documentation of antiquities in the country has created a severe problem protecting the collections. Looting carries a fifteen-year prison sentence in Syria.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heritage_sites_damaged_during_Syrian_civil_war
The Khawams’ customers probably have a great business period these days.
Three points
What his story shows is 1) wide availability og guns just over the border form Savoie [Israeli state agencies could have used this deliberately as a way of throwing suspicions away from themselves] 2)A gun used from the first part of the 20th century just like in the Annecy killings, and 3)French inferior culture (I assume he was French-speaking) coimpared to the disciplined German-speakers, the moral backbone of Switzerland, who founded Switzerland on a medow at Rütli overlooking the Vierwaldstättersee (Lake of 4 cantons, the first) in 1315 by giving each other a handshake and pledging to set up Switzerland. Later the Italian and Franch cantons was included.
[my emphasis]
Katie
When you would bother to read that link here below, perhaps then you would be able to understand, too.
Praise the Khawams!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/watch-out-for-looted-libyan-artefacts-un-warns-auction-houses-2344154.html
Sorensen
The motives are clear for swisd police. He jad an argument with his uncle (63) regarding drug use. They both used knives in that argument. When the uncle left, he shot from the window his uncle and his uncle’s family plus one bystander who was on the street at the wrong time. No conspiracy. Just a family feud.
Thanks Bluebird
Katie the people at the musuem tried to protect some things but it was still looted and please don’t make it sound like I endorse what you say because I do not .
I am with Bluebird on this I am not going to argue about it though it won’t change a dam thing its happened .
I am getting on with this crime .
James
2 Jan, 2013 – 11:14 pm As has been previously noted we have THREE slightly locations for the BMW in the press ariel shots. There is the most commonly used one where it is stuck in the bank at:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=853&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=-yx2sI5EhUmHkM:&imgrefurl=http://timesopinion.tumblr.com/post/33635578172&docid=1MeYYwMWacMncM&imgurl=http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbxmv3AxLR1r0y55m.jpg&w=460&h=306&ei=K5TlUNbaAdKz0QXso4CwBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=541&vpy=284&dur=2549&hovh=184&hovw=276&tx=122&ty=117&sig=102623993251211428976&page=1&tbnh=132&tbnw=192&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0,i:121
Then two where it is being manouvred towards the transporter at:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=853&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=bHEhYhmiu6DuEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19729566&docid=ib5mqSehjrhHDM&imgurl=http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/62746000/jpg/_62746044_62746043.jpg&w=464&h=261&ei=K5TlUNbaAdKz0QXso4CwBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=405&vpy=108&dur=3114&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=145&ty=131&sig=102623993251211428976&page=2&tbnh=148&tbnw=282&start=12&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:0,i:142
and at:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=853&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=QuWpKi49c-m3GM:&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html&docid=zh7FqmLBrd_FqM&imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/07/article-2199670-14DEA43C000005DC-856_964x637.jpg&w=964&h=637&ei=K5TlUNbaAdKz0QXso4CwBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=228&vpy=87&dur=711&hovh=176&hovw=266&tx=138&ty=85&sig=102623993251211428976&page=3&tbnh=137&tbnw=212&start=28&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:37,s:0,i:205
Then we have the shot of the whole layby showing the skid marks, which for the life of me I can’t now find. Has it been expunged? For skid marks this is the best I can find now.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=576&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=853&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=Y3NYl8L6ZUadWM:&imgrefurl=http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/271656&docid=gylrcN8h70zZNM&imgurl=http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/1/281×351/271656_1.jpg&w=281&h=351&ei=qprlULf7JcSZ0QX4yIDADw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=4&vpy=213&dur=1721&hovh=252&hovw=202&tx=74&ty=133&sig=102623993251211428976&page=37&tbnh=156&tbnw=102&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:80,s:500,i:244
I have been through literally hundreds of “Al Hilli images” on Google and it just is not there. Where has it disappeared. Are the inferences I have placed on it too accurate for the authorities to allow it to be viewed. If so more evidence we are not far off the truth!
On the 5 th (ie same day) this montage appeared
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=273&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=853&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=RVGY9p6kxyWFJM:&imgrefurl=http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/chevaline-the-forgotten-victim-sylvain-mollier/&docid=kqdyc0e1XI767M&imgurl=http://www.marilynztomlins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Chevaline.1.jpg&w=465&h=465&ei=ypTlULbfDfGY1AWXm4DgBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=231&vpy=24&dur=1941&hovh=226&hovw=226&tx=129&ty=134&sig=102623993251211428976&page=18&tbnh=142&tbnw=141&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:74,s:200,i:226
presumably on reliable (?) police sources, showing the position of the car, bodies, bike and bullets. Certainly if this is the position Mollier was found, and all the sources replicate it, it was not where he was shot, fell, bled and died, which was on the passenger (LHS) of the car, as shown by the blood staining and by Martin’s testimony. (He says after he dealt with Mollier “HE WENT AROUND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAR TO SMASH THE WINDOW”)
So we either have a mistaken montage OR someone (Martin admits moving it) moved the body from where it lay to the other side, for which as I have pointed out many times, there is no logical reason. If the former explanation applies we must assume, in the absence of what the newspaper ppl say, that this was police misinformation fed to the press, I assume to put distance between Zainab and Mollier to undermine any suggestion of them being together or conversing.
So eventually James I come back to your point – when the car was reversed by SAH he knew he was under attack (he had already been shot but not fatally apparently before he managed to get back inside) he also knew his daughter was outside and in real danger. However at this stage perhaps his over riding thought was to try and escape and to protect the three remaining family members. It is possible in his haste he engaged reverse instead of drive. It’s also possible he drove forward only to find his way blocked before reversing. In this connection another skid tyre mark next to the road in front of the car that I think Pink has drawn attention to in the past, might have been caused by this.
If anyone knows whats happened to that panarama shot of the lay by showing the tyre tracks would be pleased to learn. If it too has disappeared it’s very suspicious.
And now for something completely different to those still interested in when that first call was made and from whom there’s this marilyn tomlins extract I just came across.
“The three went back up the road with the RAF man and having seen what there was to see, Philippe D. drove back down to where he could get a signal for his mobile. He then summoned assistance. Within minutes the gendarmerie arrived.”
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/chevaline-the-forgotten-victim-sylvain-mollier/
sorry “panorama”
Dont worry Pink, I give up. To you & BB looting / stealing only seems to mean one thing.
‘Taking’ would be a better word. If goods were taken for protection TO BE RETURNED WHEN IT’S SAFE TO DO SO, it seems both of you call it stealing & have ruled this out.
Why BB is banging on about the Khawams I do not know because it is not what I was talking about at all & yes I did read your links BB, please don’t be so presumptuous, but I disregarded them because they were NOT relevant to what I was saying.
I know there are articles on the net which can be presented to support any argument, so because it’s there does not make it true….you should try looking at the human side of this,instead of seeing evil everywhere.
Iraqis are proud people I absolutely refute your arguments that everyone from their museums had the wrong motives.
I can only hope none are reading what you say about them.
Subject for me is now closed .
NR
3 Jan, 2013 – 1:54 am yes indeed. The missing photo of the scene. the missing American heiress. We deduce the truth not only by what is published but also what is removed. Unfortunely this is a very limited audience here and power brokers are interested in what the masses believe is true. Hopefully someone is following this.
Certainly quite out of public view what is happening in and around Kazakhstan is significant. It is only of interest to America and the West because of its oil and gas and balence maintained with an increasingly powerful Russia and China. Not only is there the still dormant scandal of huge bribes paid by CIA and who benefitted but I see the latest news suggests the county is preparing to pull the plug on Russia’s access to its launch pad there which would not only undermine its ability to service the space station but also launch satellites. So its back to SST as at http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=762&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=853&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=tWbh6ax88FMJoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sstl.co.uk/&docid=tk_txbWjIFjPcM&itg=1&imgurl=http://www.sstl.co.uk/getattachment/061641b5-b68e-446d-a86c-e0c219a0530c/6&w=880&h=280&ei=iJ_lUL9k0djRBaDxgKgK&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=4&vpy=4&dur=6324&hovh=126&hovw=398&tx=68&ty=74&sig=102623993251211428976&page=48&tbnh=118&tbnw=236&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:66,s:700,i:202
NR
3 Jan, 2013 – 6:41 am Of course the sacking of Iraqi antiquities is a well know feature of the invasion. It also happened in Egypt. How about Libya and now Syria? Watch this space. As with the systematic targetting of getting on for a thousand academics not remotely connected to Saadam’s reign of terror (hardly any worse than what it has been replaced by though) of more than 20 000 killed in violence since the invasion, the Americans have taken a very curious position. They did little to protect the cultural heritage indeed some would argue did much to destroy it and the infrastructure. If fact “bombing back to the stone age” appears to be a common threat here and elsewhere. The most blatent act of disbusing 12 billion dollars in paper bills without accounting for three quarters of it goes unexplained and uninvestigated as a huge crime. As the the Marquis of Sade I think it was was once observed, “the bigger the crime the less likely it is to go punished” rather like “taxes are only for the common people”.
The BIG question as regards the Al Hilli murders: “Is Britain part of the problem or part of the solution?” To what extent is the Surrey Constabulary free to investigate fully and properly the circumstances of the murders? We have certainly heard very little from them. Are they satisfied The French have done all they can? What is the nature of the collaboration? Are they running it as a fully integrated one or in parallel? What are the significant findings to date? Initially the green 4×4 was said to have a British registration. Has it been traced? Have the British police interviewed Mr Martin and recorded statements by him and others? When will the Coroner’s Inquest be convened? What is the current state of health of the two girls, particularly in the light of the recent Daily Mirror artical that Zeena was in fack killed!
(At http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-investigator-mark-williams-thomas-1509838 )
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@Katie
I have never said the museum staff stole anything I said they attempted to save some things .
Sadly they were unable to get help to protect what was left and it was looted .
Enough already just don’t bother talking to me or about me if you want to persist.
You are welcome to your view please don’t invent mine .
Why are British papers not posing these questions of the Police?
Pink…
The problem is already known.
If it’s not me, then it’s Blue. And Ferret also.
It’s a “syntax error” in the hard wiring. It does it all the time.
Starts firing out random “abuse” !
Then it defaults to “I give up” mode.
No idea how to fix it. Probably been like that for years.
Best just “know”, everyone can see what’s written..and judge.
Forgive me Pink
3 Jan, 2013 – 7:26 am but you seem to be floating off into the imaginary stratosphere. Where is the EVIDENCE for these house hunting theories of yours? Have any estate agents come forward to say Al hilli collected details? And even if he were looking for property to buy, would he look half way up a deserted mountain???????? how parking in that particular lay by do you get any suggestion of property for sale? There is nothing approaching property for miles and certainly not for sale. The whole idea is so fanciful in my humble opinion it does not bear consideration …. and someone killing four ppl including a French man …. yet you say “I think my property hunting idea is a good one.
If as I speculated they were property hunting then ,someone of the area ,low IQ, who had to much wine , owned an old gun and didn’t like property developers would fit “. Is this just designed to humour us or are you really being serious. If the latter your credibility is questionable I’m sorry to say. This is not a game of Cluedo. Real people have been murdered and due process is being manipulated for reasons not yet clear that should concern us all.