The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Q
The earthquake happened at 2.46 pm local time and sunset in Tokyo was 5.44 pm so 3 hours for satellites to acquire the location before darkness starts to be a problem. I think 3 hours is about how long they would need.
From today’s news, a primer on targetted killings:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/what-are-targeted-killings-their-present-and-future-explained-20130109?page=1?mrefid=earthbox
@Straw44berry: There were satellite images of Japan from March 11, 2011, which seems to indicate that the world’s satellite systems did not fail on that day, for one day only. I have only found these two so far.
Some satellites, such as GeoEye, post excellent night images.
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/
“The MTSAT provides imagery for the Northern Hemisphere every thirty minutes, and full disk imagery every hour.”
Unfortunately, no satellite images for March 11, 2011 can be found there.
Here we have a satellite image from DigitalGlobe’s Quickbird of the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami in progress:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5125
From memory the 2004 Tsunami lasted 36 hours + until it reached the East Coast of Africa and to a lesser extent continued around the globe.
I don’t believe Indonesia enacted a treaty within an hour of their earthquake on Boxing Day, 2004.
My point is that satellites were actively taking images of Japan on March 11, 2011. Whether the images were accurate or not, I don’t know. It is my contention that more that two images of Japan were taken during that 24-hour period.
What kind of money changes hands when a value-added reseller provides images under the International Charter ‘Space and Major Disasters’, I don’t know. Whether countries that use the charter are able to pay a fee for exclusive rights to satellite imagery in perpetuity, I do not know.
I do know that the satellite industry has advanced in the years since 2004.
On another matter entirely, children and families are not exempt from targeted killing, according to this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html
This blogger says that the Japanese government sent representatives to France, Austria and the Ukraine on a fact-finding mission to learn about Chernobyl in October 2011:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/01/analysis-where-japan-goes-in-2013-part1-similarity-of-japan-after-311-and-the-soviet-union-before-dissolution/
NR
Thanks for that pokemon accident link. I had never heard of it before but it makes sense.
I believe that the neurostim/pharmaceutics link is fitting better to what the families did thanthe nuclear links. Perhaps this isnt as sensational than nuclear links, but it is about more money and more powerful than nuclear weapons could be.
Look, if I found 10 al Hillis and 5 Morange and 5 al Saffars working in the top nuclear industry, then nobody would have any doubts that this would be the reason, particularly when 3 following scary events would be nuclear, too.
Neurostim isnt as exciting as it is nuclear stuff. However, i find 10 al Allafs, 5 al Saffars, perhaps even dentist Iqbal and 5 Morange working in top neurostim research. I have Baligant working for GSK. We have 3 following events plus one event shortly before, where we believe that neurostim was part of the game. What more do we need for forming a logic conspiracy?
Wait. Mr Schutz comes from Switzerland. When did he perform his Swiss military duty? 30 years ago? What kind of weapons did they use then? Does he still have his Swiss military guns? Just another conspiracy, but if I were Maillaud, then I would look into other possibilities that are closer to pharmaceutical products than to Iraq.
Question for James:
Do you remember BM’s linkedin?
There was something he did about human ressources n the cockpit. Could pain killers and drugs for concentration and for focussed attention play a role in that part of expertise he had? Could he be in relation to biotech firms who work for highly attentive military personell in cockpits? Would that fit somehow to such kind of drugs?
James
I think i found my answer.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war-drugs/
http://gaizy.hubpages.com/hub/Drugged-and-Armed-Our-Military-Pilots-are-Pumped-Full-of-Drugs
Could BM have been a specialist in that part of the airforce industry? Would that be an answer and fit BM to Morange, Baligant, Allaf and Saffar?
James, what is the fact for civil pilots in regards to such attentive drugs? Is that just for military pilots? Can we somehow explain that Martin worked in that part of aeronautics as a specialist?
Just a few musings on the significance of the horse in mythology/history/literature. i can’t help thinking symbolism plays a part in this one. If sceptical just see how the name chevaline was chosen – a rocket fired from a submarine – “the Horse is said to be created by Poseidon (Neptune) and is devoted to Hades (Pluto) and Ares (Mars). Ideal for a weapon coming from the sea in warfare designed to send its recipients to hell wouldn’t you say? There was even an earlier sub named after Poseidon salvaged by the Chinese!
Symbol meanings of the Horse date back to prehistory, and the first civilized, written acknowledgement of the Horse comes in the third millennium BC where historians uncovered slate tablets in Elam (present day Iraq and Iran) which reference thisnoble, wild beast.
Due to its natural companionship with man in both work and art, the Horse easily wins a special seat in history, ranking high marks of honor, reverence and symbolism.
Serving man in war, mobility, productivity, agriculture, development of all kinds, the Horse is by far one of the largest contributor to the enhancement of civilization.
The Greco-Romans also associated the Horse with the spoils of war and attributed it to symbolism such as power, victory, honor, domination and virility. In Greco-Roman myth the Horse is said to be created by Poseidon (Neptune) and is devoted to Hades (Pluto) and Ares (Mars). Romans also believed the Horse to be a symbol of the continuity of life, and would sacrifice a horse to the god Mars every October, keeping its tail through the winter as a sign of fertility and rebirth.
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/horse-symbol-meanings.html
Anne Marle Carstens – To bury a ruler: the meaning of the horse in aristocratic burials.
It is hard to imagine such a feast: the turmoil of all the slain animals, the still living animals hysterically trying to escape the slaughterhouse scene, the sweet overwhelming smell of blood and warm meat. Many men were engaged in the work – it must have been tense, an atmosphere of turmoil. All senses were evoked, bombarded with heavy impressions,, creating an orgiastic air of exaltation and ecstacy.
The reason for this omission is unknown to us – we may speculate on whether the sacrifice of horses was considered too costly and eschalogically pointless – why kill a precious animal if the allusions, the pars pro toto, sufficed?
Thus, an aristocratic burial is not only a burial, a rite des passages between this world and another. It is a central focus point for the conservation of dynastic, aristrocratic power. It is where here-and-now and there-and-then melt together; it is a celebration of the relations between the ancestors and the living. It is the moment in time when the common ancestry of a people is experienced, is felt.
http://www.academia.edu/375637/To_bury_a_ruler_the_meaning_of_the_horse_in_aristocratic_burials
Animal Symbolism in Revelation
Having thus dealt with the horse pictures in the rest of the Bible we need to look at the usages of the term within Revelation. The most famous of these is undoubtedly the so called ‘Four Horses of the Apocalypse’ a subject I have dealt with elsewhere[65]. However, I previously, along with many others, focused upon the horses and the colors they had. The analysis performed here would suggest that the horse and therefore color of it should be largely subservient to the rider upon it. What the horse tells us is that these were all men heading out to battle; the beasts they ride contain strength but no real aim or direction. Ultimately they also convey no safety.
http://www.dabhand.org/Essays/NT518%20Animal%20Symbolism.htm
These two allusions, to The Tempest and to her horse “Ariel,” have often been noticed and pointed out, with the emphasis, from a critical perspective, being placed on the biographical referent. But there is another possible referent in the title of the poem which no one has yet noted, although the poet, apparently, went out of her way to make reference, even obvious reference, to it. I refer to “Ariel” as the symbolic name for Jerusalem. “Ariel” in Hebrew means “lion of God.” She begins the second stanza of the poem with the line “God’s lioness,” which seems to be a direct reference to the Hebrew or Jewish “Ariel.”
Plath’s obsession with Judaism and the Jewish people is clearly indicated in many of her poems.
[….]
Indeed, some of the imagery which informs the passage concerning “Ariel” in the Book of Isaiah (29:1-7) appears to have been drawn on directly by Plath for her imagery in her poem “Ariel.” In Isaiah 29-5-6 we read,
And in an instant, suddenly,
You will be visited by the Lord of hosts
With thunder and with earthquake and great noise,
With whirlwind and tempest,
And the flame of a devouring fire
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/plath/ariel.htm
Apros pos “The Slaughter of Horses” of course…
I agree Tim V
10 Jan, 2013 – 1:00 am. Much can be learned from the professional biographies of the leaders of these sectors where it can be seen not unexpectedly common educational and business networks. Could it be otherwise. The right cv secures the job and it always helps if the interviewer and interviewee share the same univerisity or reseach lab.
I meant
Q
9 Jan, 2013 – 2:42 pm sorry
National Journal Since President Obama assumed office, the Pentagon has also increased the use of special operations raids (aka kill/capture missions) from 675 covert raids in 2009 to roughly 2,200 in 2011. According to the Pentagon, approximately 90 percent of these night raids end without a shot fired. As conventional U.S. forces begin to drawdown, “the role of counterterrorism operations, and in particular these kinds of special missions, will become prominent,” says ISAF commander General John Allen.
The covert raids are directed by an elite element within the U.S. military known as Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). The clandestine command draws top personnel from groups like the Navy SEALs and Army Delta Force, and maintains a direct relationship with the executive branch. JSOC has tripled in size since 9/11 and currently operates in a dozen countries. Jeremy Scahill of The Nation writes, “The primacy of JSOC within the Obama administration’s foreign policy–from Yemen and Somalia to Afghanistan and Pakistan–indicates that he has doubled down on the Bush-era policy of targeted assassination as a staple of U.S. foreign policy.”
Other experts say technological advances, including precision-guided munitions and enhanced surveillance, have given the United States a greater ability to target these particular individuals while reducing collateral damage. In July 2011, Chief Counterterrorism Adviser Brennan, provided a portent of things to come: “Going forward, we will be mindful that if our nation is threatened, our best offense won’t always be deploying large armies abroad but delivering targeted, surgical pressure to the groups that threaten us.”
President Obama’s January 2013 nomination of Brennan to take over at the CIA has reinforced the notion among some analysts that targeted killings will continue to be a central component of U.S. counterterrorism policy. Brennan has played a significant role in the administration’s expansion of targeted killings, including overseeing the process by which suspected militants and terrorists are selected for strikes.
Q 2:42PM – thanks for the link to MZT. I saw Sunflower’s comment though I muct say that I have seen previous such suggestions (really speculations) right here on CM (But forget by whom now). yes, the possibility exists that BM was the actual target who was “late” for the meeting. But, I think I saw some people poke holes in this supposition (maybe Tim V? others?). The problem I see is in the post-event behavior. If we are sure of anything it’s that BM is – in one way or another – a british asset. If he was targeted by someone (assuming we can come up with a reason why he and SAH had to meet in Chevaline rather than. say, somewhere in the UK), we would expect the Brits to show considerably more ire than they did. to me it seems that the brits are playing a “passive-aggressive’ role, one where they are not quite co-operating in the cover-up but for some reason can’t openly conflict with it. For BM to be a target in an operation where the killers are from another agency would be like an open season warfare among state agencies and I just don’t think we have seen that.
In a way, I regret i can’t be more enthusiastic about such a possibility because in other ways, connections between SAH and WBM are so much easier to come up with than with SM. aircraft kitchen designs, satellite work, SAH receiving RAF aircraft to set him up in his company when he started, etc – WBM is an excellent candidate for a SAH handler, and it would make sense that he and SAH would be at the martinet together – especially if there was some danger involved.
I would, however, love to hear other people’s take on this possibility.
BTW, the other supposition I can’t quite embrace, even though it’s logistically easier is to assume that the Iranians were the killers’ agency. Things could fall into place if i could assume that but, as I noted before, it’s the MO that doesn’t fit anything we have seen Iranians do (way too risky, etc etc). In addition the nature of the noise in the cover-up keeps pointing somewhere else, an agency that has a heck of a lot more sway with the French than e.g., Iran.
Q you may have hit on something significant follow my re posting suggestions about nuc blast in the pacific. I’m far from convinced on that one and I haven’t researched it. Of course its had significant consequences for Japans energy policy throwing them on to the mercies of oil and gas producers. This in turn has pushed up prices in those commodities. Then we have SSTL selling lots of their satellites to China and the increased tension between the two.
Now a question I posed before but didn’t get an answer (perhaps i’m just being research lazy) but given that in the mid eighties Israel it was estimated (by Vanulu) had over 100 atom bombs, where did their testing? All nuc progs required testing even if the science was fairly well established.
Marlin
10 Jan, 2013 – 2:54 am lots of things i d like to respond but i m completely whacked (oops – hopefully not that sort!!!!)
Also Q – 2:42Pm and 5:09PM
yes, Richard Crowther could definitely be someone Saad would have met at RAL and indeed it’s likely that someone like this opened the door for Saad’s work at STTL. However, that by itself would not be an indication of anything particularly nefarious.
Which brings me to the security clearance question. Before 2001, I see no reason Saad could not have gotten a low level, basic secret clearance – lots of Arabic and iranian originated people in britain – and the US – had and have those. The questions and doubts I have are about higher level clearance (beyond the basic “secret” level). I am just not sure whether post 9/11 that would be all that easy to get for anyone who hails from the Middle east unless they are absolutely trusted.
That company Saad had set up – for which he seems to have gotten lots of help – is one of the things that indicated to me that he played a certain role supporting clandestine operations and that company was his reward. needless to say, to succeed in that line of work would require clearance status – otherwise no military contracts would have come his way and those tend to be the most lucrative. If he, at a certain point (forgot what year – 2004? 2010?) lost a clearance level or got somehow “black-listed’ then his business would take a serious tumble – and that did happen (am too lazy to search for the right links here – but people brought the financial history up several times over).
So I reserve judgement on the status of Saad’s clearance level but am willing to bet he had at least a secret clearance at one point. Possibly even a more specialized one if he was trusted.
Thanks for all the info!
Tim V – I’ll patiently await. Just hope you are not in the UK/EU time zone – otherwise I’d say that you should indeed get some rest (but don’t tell me, please. We shouldn’t know too much – should we? just in case we finally hit on the key that can open Alibaba’s cave. Something tells me we are hovering around it though, maybe even drove right through it, but were too caught up each in their own musings….).
Tim wrote:
That’s a good question. Around that time the Americans had develoåed simulation software, so they did not need actual tests. Thats why the French — who had no access to this US technology — felt they had to test in the 90’ies. You probably remember the furore which came about when Chirac wanted to test
on this atoll in the Pacific? It was sometme in the mid 90’s. But it got canceled after a worldwide uproar of condemnation, and as I recall the matter was resolved by allowing the French to simulate their test through American software.
But with regards to Israels nuclear tests between 1967 and mid 80’s there is talk that they carried out a test in the South Pacific jointly with South Africa. This is the story we are led to dewulge in anyway.
But the real interesting question is if the Israeli weapons was tested underground somewhere in the US, alongside American ones.
Give that strong indications suggests that Israel was furnished with Uranium (yellow cake) from the US, and that Israel performed a nuclear blackmail on the US in October 1973 — probably with the intent of enforcing a strategic partnership on the United States — it’s probably not so far-fetched to imagine that they ‘persuaded’ the US to do its testing? From the US point of view this would be preferable than Israel testing anywhere else, and the Americans could get a glimpse into the technology used.
As I see it, the main problem with Q’s theory is that nuclear waste pr. definition is so ‘exhausted’ that its not supposed to enter into any form of nuclear chain reaction. Unless Q comes up with scientific papers which makes it likely that this can happen, I’m afraid his theory must be described as bunkers.
@ bluebird 9 Jan, 2013 – 11:18 pm
“NR Thanks for that pokemon accident link. I had never heard of it before but it makes sense.”
This is the history of Light/Sound (without drugs) mind modulation. Academic but readable. Used in recovery of repressed memories, rescripting those, and I’m guessing could work for implanting wholly new memories.
Note the Binaural Beats. There was a big media “scare” a while back, “Our kids are altering their minds with downloadable binaural beat trances! What can be done?”
“… Apuleius experimented in 125 A.D. with the flickering light produced by the rotation of a potter’s wheel, finding that it could reveal a type of epilepsy. Ptolemy studied in 200 A.D. the phenomenon of the flickering generated by sunlight through the spokes of a spinning wheel.”
http://www.mindmodulations.com/resources/General-clinicalguide.html
What can be done now in high tech labs with brain activity imaging and chemical enhancements?
I am back on gouges here’s a reference in the Independent.
There was also a clear indentation made by the Al-Hillis’ car in the embankment. It looked as if the estate car had reversed so hard into to the forest side that the rear had climbed a couple of feet up the steep slope.
There was also a gash in the car park, roughly filled with pebbles by the gendarmerie.
This fitted the aerial pictures of the BMW published yesterday. The back of the car is seen hard against the embankment, with one of its rear wheels sunk deeply into the ground. A poor piece of parking? Or a desperate attempt to turn the car and flee in terror?
A senior gendarmerie officer said yesterday that the marks in the car park were an “important part of the investigation”. He added: “The marks have been studied carefully. We can all speculate. I cannot say any more.”
SATURDAY 08 SEPTEMBER 2012
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/annecy-shootings-on-a-steep-forest-road-few-signs-of-the-horror-that-was-8118200.html
Another method of detecting a nuclear blast is by seismograph, the device that monitors Earth tremors to pinpoint and analyze earthquake activity (among other ground-shaking events). There’s actually a whole network of 500 seismograph stations positioned around the world whose job is to report ground-shaking incidents, and that includes any evidence of bomb blasts. NPR’s “Detecting Underground Nuclear Blasts” reports that the seismic activity recorded on Monday indicated a ground disturbance that would be the equivalent of a 4.2 magnitude earthquake. That magnitude indicates a blast with about a 1-kiloton yield, which is equal to the power of 1,000 tons of TNT.
Figuring out if a seismic event is an earthquake or a bomb blast is relatively easy. Scientists perform analyses of wave patterns that can accurately confirm an earthquake-versus-explosion determination. In highly simplified terms, in an earthquake, the ground starts shaking slowly as plates slide against each other, and then the seismic activity slow picks up as the ground really starts to move. In an explosion scenario, the initial blast is extremely powerful, and the subsequent shaking of the ground grows progressively less severe. But figuring out it’s a blast and not an earthquake is only part of the process; seismographs can’t really determine if the blast was nuclear or conventional in nature. Also, it’s possible to “hide” a nuclear blast, for instance by detonating it in a tremendous underground cavity, which decreases the effects on the ground because the blast’s energy goes into compressing all that gas in the huge hole. These limitations in the seismograph system make atmospheric testing a necessary component in the detection system.
From here:-
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-detection.htm
Any shallow Earthquake potentially is a man-made earthquake and that is why I always look at them more closely.
@ Tim V 10 Jan, 2013 – 2:32 am
“President Obama’s January 2013 nomination of Brennan to take over at the CIA has reinforced the notion among some analysts that targeted killings will continue to be a central component of U.S. counterterrorism policy.”
Good W. isn’t in office. Stuff like that would make him a war criminal.
I wonder, what with world leaders, oligarchs, cartel heads and assorted gangstas all having their own personal kill lists it hasn’t bled over to the marginally mental who decide they are entitled to kill lists too.
Some good photo’s here.
http://www.ledauphine.com/actualite/2012/09/07/les-images-de-la-scene-de-crime#jimage=C3AA7CB7-A68C-4CBA-9C70-255DC4FF4CFA
Those of you looking at nuclear accidents, earthquakes ,sat photo’s etc there was a criirad pdf found on the net ages ago with an SM in the credits ,whether it is the same one I don’t know but I still have the link.
http://www.criirad.org/publication.en.ligne/tu25.26/belarussansphoto.pdf
Pink
Interesting pdf, particularly because it is incomplete and more than 50% missing.
Who is missing next to Sylvain Mollier?? Bruno Chareyron
http://nuclear.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin//profiler?key=bruno_chareyron&pt=2
Above is an interesting link. Chareyron has contacts to IRAN!
I am sure that the above link will provide us a lot of ressources but that has to research somebody else because i have no time these days.
Chareyron link to Sweden:
http://nonuclear.se/waste2007chareyron
Chareyron link to Fukushima:
http://www.fccj.or.jp/node/6650
There are no doubts about that Sylvain Mollier was a board member of CRIIRAD
http://www.criirad.org/actualites/dossiers%202007/MALVESI-justice/ca-17nov06.pdf
All the other names in pink’s pdf are CRIIRAD members.
The “other” Sylvain Mollier is too young for being a CRIIRAD member in 2003. So it must be “our” Sylvain Mollier. Ot makes sense because he had worked for Areva.
It makes sense, because that part of the PDF where he wrote was deleted by the clean team.
Why did no CRIIRAD member ever say anything about him in public?