The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Q
From your Guardian link above:
I know that there are many Martin guys in the UK, but could Silver Fern have worked as a retention company for the government? Pilot and airplanes? The address at # 55 together with Blackwater and other Security companies?
Quote: (MI6 Retention captives from Afghanistan and Guantanamo brought back) … by Silver Fern airlines????
All were interrogated by MI5 officers and some also by MI6. When Harith was eventually released, along with three men from the West Midlands known as the Tipton Three, a man called Martin from the Foreign Office was waiting for them as they boarded the plane home. “Can you,” he asked, “make sure you say you were treated properly?”
Martin’s boss, foreign secretary Jack Straw, was particularly concerned that the wider world should never learn of the extent to which the British government had become involved in the torture of its own citizens at Guantánamo.
@ Q : 26 Jan, 2013 – 3:10 am
“He was the great uncle of the man married to the woman sitting in jail in Mexico in the extra…oops, better not mention it, link above. And 22 is pronounced Van Doo.”
How are we to connect the dots when every dot is connected to every other dot? Are assorted SISs with supercomputers doing any better or do they each have a junior spy reading Craig Murray every morning hoping us nutters can give them a clue.
“Controversies have dogged Lavalin in India too. In June 2009, the Central Bureau of Investigation filed charge sheets against nine people in a Rs 374-crore scam related to the company. Among the accused are six former officials of the Kerala State Electricity Board, SNC Lavalin, Claus Trendl, former vice-president of the Canada company and state secretary of the Kerala CPM, Pinarayi Vijayan.”
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-02-12/news/31050338_1_snc-lavalin-claus-trendl-kmc-constructions
“Allen developed his relationships with the Libyan regime through Gaddafi’s son Saif al-Islam”
Sir David Manning was on the “ideas board” of the London School of Economics, from whence Gaddafi bought a Phd. and was also a director of Hakluyt, the high-end firm of bespoke spies we discussed earlier, with which the late, poisoned-in-China, Niel Heywood was associated. He of the 007 number plate as BB pointed out.
This old timey socialist page has many names connected to the LSE, plus a bonus sidebar commemorating the 70th anniversary of the assassination of Trotsky, by Mercader with an ice-axe not an ice-pick. No killvid.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/04/llse-a01.html
Other random links found: Progressive – you may know these:
http://neoclassics.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/mars-probe-panoramic-pictures.html
The above had this on the New York Times:
http://www.roughguidedarkside.com/2012/09/03/why-i-made-stuff-up-for-the-new-york-times/
And this one on CNN International and its “beige news” that offends no one, so it’s acceptable in every country and every hotel worldwide. They also run infomercials for state tourist bureaus presented as news. (Kinda like what the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation does for animal activists.) 🙂
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/04/cnn-business-state-sponsored-news
This one has a story half-way down comparing Moscow’s Pussy Riot with US Seattle’s anarchists. Did not know you could be raided for wearing black and then jailed for contempt for refusing to “name names”. Wasn’t that the injustice that Hollywood liberals wailed about for the last 60 years?
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/oct2012/wn2420.html
James
26 Jan, 2013 – 2:11 am I don’t have the same trouble with this as you do obviously.You will notice the three people we know about who said they heard the noise were all outside. Given that Fillion-Robin and his mates were about 3 Km away, and the 25 shots only lasted estimated half a minute, you’d only need to be inside with a powertool for it to be quite believable. If he’d wanted to lie or was the mouthpiece of the authorities, he could easily claimed he heard at this or another time. Again 15 year old Melvin’s story is OK to me. Illegal by virtue of age, lack of insurance and riding in breach of the rules, his behaviour was quite predictable and his statement, despite possible consequences, adds to its reliability I think.
“Within five days of 9/11, Black had drawn up plans for the CIA’s response. It would entail a vast expansion of the rendition programme. Hundreds of al-Qaida suspects would be tracked down and abducted from their homes and hiding places in 80 different countries. The agency would decide who was to be killed and who was to be kept alive in a network of secret prisons, outside the US, where they would be systematically tormented until every one of their secrets had been delivered up.”
The treatment of muslim suspects is a deep stain on the reputation of all the countries that had a part in it, including particulary Britain and the United States. Eventually the pigeons will come home to roost for any or all implicated in the inhuman and illegal techniques employed. If the hard won rights and freedoms to protect individuals against a brutal, secretive and irresponsible State don’t work in these cases, there should be a public outcry. Instead very conveniently police resources are devoted to the use of the word “pleb”, a dead sex pest, and whether journalists paid policemen for inside stories. Perhaps its time we got a proper sense of priority to root out this evil once and for all.
that quote above is from http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/oct/19/torture-uk-britain-blood-government
The Telegraph mentions doubling back on on themselves what if they were murdered in Arnand and then driven to the layby and SM came along and caught whoever dumping the car they could have used the old road to get there, BTW Sud mentions the barrier was down.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html
Likewise, if the family were lured to the remote forest site, it seems unlikely that they would drive circuitously around the winding lanes, doubling back on themselves and stopping to photograph the scenery. Photos recovered from a digital camera found at the scene show the group smiling in front of a pretty flower-covered stone farmhouse.
…..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9608150/British-family-pictured-smiling-minutes-before-Alps-shooting.html
Mr Maillaud said that a few minutes before their car had pulled up outside a house in the nearby village of Arnand, where they posed for the pictures.
mages retrieved in the BMW show “a real family photograph”, said Mr Maillaud. “Both women were smiling and did not seem worried. This suggests that everyone was relaxed at the time.”
……
http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/09/09/l-enquete-avance-vite-815562-7.php
The famous barrier crossing the road a little earlier was not in place at the time, confirmed the prosecutor.
Zainab saying they were in the lay-by kinda rules that out but one lay-by would be much like another to a child.
@Marlin
25 Jan, 2013 – 6:37 pm
I too think extraction or rendition is still a possibility for the reasons already fully rehearsed above.
It did occur to me that the Al Hillis had been disappeared some time previously,possibly even quite somewhile previously,and it was all a cover story.
On the other hand, Pink’s reference to that list from olifant’s post 24 Jan, 2013 – 6:07 pm above is indeed chilling.
http://archives.lesoir.be/mysterieuses-disparitions-dans-les-alpes-du-nord-deux-j_t-19900627-Z02UPQ.html
I have some serious concerns whether or not the al Hillis (both London families) in fact were the al Hillis. They certainly used their documents but i am now not sure any longer whether or not they were replaced by Saddam in 1969. That would also explain the MI5 screening in 2003 when the British got access to the Baghdad and Hillah documents and it would explain Balsham (cousin leaving to Iraq) and Kadhim (to Spain) both leaving the UK. I shall tell some collected reasons for my concern later when i have more time.
@Bluebird: All the talk of the London Cage of the 1940s being at an exclusive address in Kensington Palace Gardens made me wonder about “55”.
@NR: There are more questions. Who built Camp Mirage in Dubai, UAE? Who operated Camp Mirage? Which infamous non=serial killer held the top post there for a while? When exactly did Saad al-Hilli live in the UAE and who did he work for? Who did his future wife work for? What went on wit the “22” that made the rules change, and why was the camp closed so abruptly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Mirage
Then comes the question of the notorious jet-setting son of an infamous dictator, and his reported insatiable and varied tastes, and did that include “red”?
Dots, dots and more dots, like code.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8 ??????????????????
Five techniques:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_techniques
The Russian Embassy now occupies the former London Cage. Conveniently, “55” is not far away, and just a short distance from this former address of Helivision:
http://www.4rfv.co.uk/brieflisting.asp?scategory=8&company=13040
@NR: Money changes everything:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/friend-caged-by-dictators-son-saadi-gaddafi-for-refusing-sex/story-e6frg6so-1226124809551
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gaddafis-son-was-on-sex-and-drugs-binge-in-london-as-regime-fell/846475
Niger comes up again.
We arn’t sure what happened there but I am sure it all started here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh7pOrRr_3o
Did we establish that this is our witness?
http://copainsdavant.com/p/sylvie-lecoeur-mata-16808486
There’s an old web address in Annecy:
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=306+route+de+Magnonnet++DUINGT&ie=UTF8&ll=45.824314,6.186504&spn=0.008299,0.013797&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=306+Route+de+Magnonnet,+74410+Duingt,+Haute-Savoie,+Rh%C3%B4ne-Alpes,+France&t=h&z=16
Interestingly, surrounded by campsites. Perhaps out of date.
[https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=306+route+de+Magnonnet++DUINGT&ie=UTF8&ll=45.82414,6.185922&spn=0.001045,0.001725&sll=45.824344,6.186488&layer=c&cbp=13,56.42,,0,0&cbll=45.824112,6.186085&hnear=306+Route+de+Magnonnet,+74410+Duingt,+Haute-Savoie,+Rh%C3%B4ne-Alpes,+France&t=h&z=19&panoid=w5sXnR4JrutRLSLzWClMTw]
@Felix: So is Sylvie a campsite worker?
http://vikki.over-blog.com/article-le-camping-le-familial-a-duingt-en-haute-savoie-et-ses-environs-114012856.html
@ Mochyn69 26 Jan, 2013 – 3:43 pm
“@ Marlin 25 Jan, 2013 – 6:37 pm”
“On the other hand, Pink’s reference to that list from olifant’s post 24 Jan, 2013 – 6:07 pm above is indeed chilling.”
http://archives.lesoir.be/mysterieuses-disparitions-dans-les-alpes-du-nord-deux-j_t-19900627-Z02UPQ.html
There was a story of old bodies, not related to Martinet, pulled from Lake Annecy. Did we hear if any of them were of the missing persons in the 1980s listed above?
Unrelated to Martinet, but an unusual serial killer in North America. Someone not at all noticeably mentally ill, who went to great lengths to find victims. Used a silencer too.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Israel+Keyes+scoured+Pacific+Northwest+victims+before+killing/7873065/story.html
@ Q 26 Jan, 2013 – 7:33 pm
“The Russian Embassy now occupies the former London Cage. Conveniently, “55″ is not far away, and just a short distance from this former address of Helivision:”
http://www.4rfv.co.uk/brieflisting.asp?scategory=8&company=13040
“Flat 5 Qatar Consulate, 115B, Queens Gate, London”
There’s another film helicopter company: “Helimanx operates from modern facilities which are situated in the Isle of Man, UK and Majorca.” No connection to Helivision or Malcolm Lambert of Manx, who passed by Martinet shortly before the murders.
@ Q 26 Jan, 2013 – 7:39 pm
“@ NR: Money changes everything:”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/friend-caged-by-dictators-son-saadi-gaddafi-for-refusing-sex/story-e6frg6so-1226124809551
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gaddafis-son-was-on-sex-and-drugs-binge-in-london-as-regime-fell/846475
“Niger comes up again.”
Tunis too. From the DM: “Prince Andrew met the Libyan leader’s son at least four times, twice on unofficial visits to Libya, once at a ‘chance’ meeting in Tunis and last February on the official visit. The pair are said to have become friends after Andrew made several official and unofficial trips to Libya. Mr Gaddafi has also been a guest at Windsor Castle. The Prince’s formal role is to help secure trade and investment deals for Britain and he was in Algeria at the behest of the Foreign Office.”
The public is slightly scandalized when the excess partying of the elites is revealed, but it comes completely undone when the lesser classes indulge in the same. There’s a UK TV programme “What Happens in Kavos” that records British teen students and (gasp) young workers — forklift and lorry drivers — carrying on grossly in Kavos, Greece, that’s generated much outrage in the UK papers – possibly because they didn’t think of getting down to Kavos and document the festivities themselves.
@ Q 26 Jan, 2013 – 7:13 pm
“Then comes the question of the notorious jet-setting son of an infamous dictator, and his reported insatiable and varied tastes, and did that include “red”?
Could well be, or Gareth Williams.
@Q
Thanks for the link
It’s the same person. But address from 2006. Does anyone have the link to a video or possibly a photo showing witness Sylvie by a roadside in the foothills in bright sun??
I have just found Max’s link to the old road Chemin rural de Chevaline à Armand.
Can anyone remember what year SAH went to Irac to claim his old house ?
https://maps.google.nl/maps?saddr=Chemin+rural+de+Chevaline+%C3%A0+Armand&daddr=45.7452312,6.2263751+to:45.73616,6.2263947+to:Route+Domaniale+de+la+Grand+Combe+Dite+Chaplain&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=45.749798,6.225901&spn=0.039948,0.090895&sll=45.743928,6.229162&sspn=0.039952,0.090895&geocode=FdJcugIdYvNeAA%3BFU8EugIdxwFfACm_8G7DcJWLRzFhXSLsUPGBxQ%3BFeDguQId2gFfACnl0XBwfZWLRzFeIRF-gBRZ0g%3BFXbFuQId8_peAA&dirflg=w&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=14&via=1,2&t=m&z=14
Another physicist bites the dust, in a suspicious ‘suicide’.
“Budak, who specialized in nuclear physics, had also served as the president of Erzurum Atatürk University’s physics department for more than six years. He had won many awards and published papers in international magazines as a physicist.”
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-professor-commits-suspicious-suicide-at-family-house.aspx?pageID=238&nID=39917&NewsCatID=341
@NR: Another aside, Anglesey did not become famous because of Gareth Williams, but because of rather more famous residents. Along those same lines, pool parties in Florida made the news.
Dates of the return trips to Iraq:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/annecy-shootings-familys-good-fortune-may-have-masked-struggles-over-iraqi-inheritance-8118202.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9762604/Alps-murder-Truth-about-Saad-al-Hillisfamily-feud.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/french-alps-shootings-why-was-victim-saad-1478542
It would be helpful to know how many times in total Saad al-Hilli visited Iraq after immigrating to the U.K., and the precise dates of those trips.
It’s easy to see why some of the walking paths around Chevaline are seen as not suitable for small children:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcrsyv_le-trou-de-l-enfer-saint-alban-en-l_travel#.UQVuH3dsKdk
The weather on September 5, 2012 in Chevaline:
http://vikki.over-blog.com/article-haute-savoie-aux-alentours-de-duingt-114459211.html
Suitable for a picnic, or a stroll in the woods with small children?
Paragliding on such a gloomy, overcast day, who would have thought?