The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
NR
I didnt say that this is the wrong Eric Didier in SF. I said that i cannot confirm whether or not he is John’s brother. However, i see him working in a very similar job with a pretty similar education like SAH.
About John.
We know that the Didiers had family business and still have. Father, mother, son, sister in law are still members. We know that sister in law runs a security and investigation company with a former Green Barret and a former top police officer in narcotics and drugs investigation.
We know that the Didier family has ancestry links to Haute Savoie and that Tracy Tow has links to Ireland (and so did Annette Creegan have links to Catholic Ireland).
We know that there are Creegans in Glendale, too.
I strongly believe that John did work for the family business, too. Meaning that he had worked for security and/or investigation. If true, then there will be many possibilities and his work for NHS could be cover up as well. I wonder about how could somebody work for NHS who was never registered in the UK?
Could the investigation firm have clients being interested into NHS data? Did the investigation firm work for CIA? Was John a CIA agent? Is the whole Didier family working for CIA? Was Annette a contact person in the UK or simply a cover up? As i said nefore, people working with elderly people are very important for intelligence offices because old people are talking a lot, even secrets kept secret all their life could become told shortly before death.
The NHS could have been a target for John’s information collection but it could have been a cover, too. I still wonder about why an attractive American would go to the UK to live with an almost 10 years older woman who is not even rich? Annette was perhaps his contact and his cover up person in the UK.
Whatever they did collect on information, it was obviously enough for being killed in a mobster/mafia like symbolised way.
This could have been drugs/narcotics investigation, pedocrimes investigation or NHS data spying. And when we are allowed to speculate: He could have been SAH’s CIA personal security guy, too. Substituted by WBM after John’s death. Mitcham was just 25 minutes driving from/to Claygate. His reported death could have caused the panic of SAH and his immediate departure from the UK. Timeline ckeck?
And finally Eric Maillaud tells another symbolism in that he said, the guy coming (too) late to the crime scene (hiking! /boat symbol?) was Didier John (he was with 2 woman) – yes.
Of course pure speculation, but a rather logic fitting puzzle.
@ straw44berry 11 Feb, 2013 – 8:38 am Off-topic:-
“Drones employed for the fist time on US soil targeting Christopher Dorner.”
http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil
“The floodgates have opened. Anyone else believe he is a good guy being framed?”
By saying “targeted” MSN is wrongly implying they will fire missiles at him. From the Guardian, quoting a senior police source: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”
At this time they’re only using drones to locate and track him, not an unreasonable thing to do. With missiles it will be a big mess. Already two trucks and people have been shot up, one understandably – turned off lights and slowed by one of Dorner’s targets – they were delivering newspapers. City has offered them a new truck. Wait for lawsuit. The other one was less justified, by nervous, trigger-happy police.
Don’t know if he’s a “good guy” though many anti-police (some justifably so) believe he is. Rightists claim more and more leftists support him. He may have had a legitimate grievance but went loony to expose it. Or he just went plain old nutz.
Or he was programmed to do this, so as to ban guns and expedite use of drones.
When they start using armed drones domestically, hope they insert lawyers into the firing circuit, like they do overseas. Minimizes damage to schools, mosques, gentlemens clubs and other important places. 🙂
Drones/Christopher Droner
Step 1:Think of the money saved in the manhunt for him. The manpower needed would be enormous.
Step 2:Think of the risk to the people intending to capture/kill him. Lets use weapons/missiles to reduce the risk.
If it doesnt happen in this manhunt, my guess is it wont be long until it is the norm.
Drones/Droner.
That’s a crazy name coincidence.
I am waiting for the first minidrone flying in front of my window and shooting me into my head while i am typing …. Unfortunately such things aren’t science fiction.
@ Bluebird : All is lost for finding out what happened at Sandy Hook. The Grammy Awards show had no less than Sir Elton John sing a tribute song to Sandy Hook victims – one by the sacred Beatles I think it was. So the story is now fixed and any who dispute it are not only Despicable Truthers but Homophobic Haters too. Will the Oscars be able to top Sir Elton? A short Sandy Hook Tribute by James Cameron?
Also at the Grammys, Carrie Underwood wore a dress on to which were projected images as she sang – very well done. At the end of the song, the dress displayed yellow butterflies (Monarchs?) which flew off the dress and into the air.
The producers have been reading CM and Icke and put those in the show just for us. Did not notice purple things or Unicorns or yellow brick roads and nobody sang “Over the Rainbow” that I heard.
When I saw the dress with images, I first thought it might be one of the new electronic fabrics, and then I thought technology must be close to a Harry Potter cloaking fabric, and then I thought what if you’re wearing your invisibility cloak and the lithium batteries run down or catch fire? There will be warning stickers to be sure to wear clean underwear in case that happens.
NR
11 Feb, 2013 – 1:48 am I agree we are entering a new brutal age when even “democratic” states excuse and massage brutal acts as a “good” thing.
Police are still trying to establish how long the girl had been on board the vessel after they today revealed she may have ‘sat there traumatised for days’.
Det Supt Jes Fry, of the Norfolk and Suffolk Major Investigation Team, said: ‘We are building a time line of events that we will put together in a file for the inquest.
‘But I was trying to allay people’s fears that she hadn’t been in that situation for weeks or whatever.
‘She has given an account and we will build on that to establish a time line.
‘Obviously there are concerns from the public as to the welfare of this young girl. And that is our paramount concern.
‘We are providing support for her and the welfare of her family.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197121/Norfolk-boat-deaths-Mother-strangled-NHS-worker-John-Didier-hospice-nurse.html#ixzz2KbX12yfQ
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Ring any bells?
@Marlin
I only joined Icke to complement Craig Murray. I only picked up CM seriously through Al-Hilli. I was on a learning curve in flagging things up. I did mention it on a FB forum, but comments are lost from that far back. There are only so many hours in the day.. When I bounce such cases of intelligent people, they just say it’s due to sloppy reporting, or coincidences, or it’s all perfectly normal. You can get away with anything nowadays. Nobody wants to question pathologists, coroners, police statements, even news coverage. We have all gone to sleep.
PS 7x two is apparently not = 14. What is going on with capcha???
@TimV
Yes, it’s an exact parallel.
BTW what on earth does this mean: Jes Fry (who retired two weeks later!!)
‘But I was trying to allay people’s fears that she hadn’t been in that situation for weeks or whatever.
I find it astonishing that the NHS brings in a US citizen (somehow gets a work permit) at an unknown date as some kind of IT expert who then resigns or becomes unemployed. How did he get the job, if indeed he did have such a job.
@Bluebird 12:14 p.m.: They won’t fly into your head. They use GPS gridlines to navigate, and are clever enough to fly over houses. More likely, they’ll pause, in order to transmit images of you to whoever is at the controls, far from where you are. They’re silent, due to those lithium batteries. Be sure to wave and smile. And don’t forget to brush your hair and dress in complementary clothing for those nightcaps on your patio. Darkness is not a hindrance. Might as well give a good impression. It’s not just Hollywood stars who are stalked nowadays. You wouldn’t want to look like Britney Spears on one of her bad days, would you?
Not a child’s toy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/world/africa/25canada.html?_r=0
Makes no noise and flies at night.
“John Didier, 41, weighed down the naked body of hospice nurse Annette Creegan, 49, with a dumb-bell on August 25 last year. He then carried on the boating holiday on the Norfolk Broads with her 13-year-old daughter before tying weights to his wrists and feet and jumping in the River Bure. Det Insp Gary Bloomfield said there was no evidence Mr Didier was mentally impaired and his actions were ‘deliberate’. Norfolk coroner William Armstrong recorded a verdict of unlawful killing and suicide”
I always thought for coroners to find a judgment of “Suicide” they had to have corroborative evidence, such as a note or predisposing behaviour and if not an “open verdict” was the only option. What corroborative evidence was there in this case I’m wondering? Weights and hands and feet tied sounds more murder than suicide to me. But then what would I know?
Here’s another. hands tied, no gun found = suicide. Work that one out.
Coroners rule bizarre death of Georgia commissioner a suicide, raising more questions
Tom Sublett’s body was found floating in a marina near his home, hands bound and a gunshot to his head. He was a well-respected and well-liked member of the Glynn County Board of Commissioners.
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BY ADAM EDELMAN / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 2013, 5:46 PM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bizarre-georgia-death-ruled-suicide-questions-remain-article-1.1254392#ixzz2Kbe4aNnz
@straw44berry 11 Feb, 2013 – 11:17 am
“Drones/Christopher Droner
Step 1:Think of the money saved in the manhunt for him. The manpower needed would be enormous.
Step 2:Think of the risk to the people intending to capture/kill him. Lets use weapons/missiles to reduce the risk.
If it doesnt happen in this manhunt, my guess is it wont be long until it is the norm.”
These are exactly the arguments now being made in the US. To be frank, I can’t say I’m absolutely opposed to using drone missiles in very limited circumstances for assassinations.
For example, why did Prez Obama not do that to “bring Osama to Justice” instead of the elaborate Navy Seals mission? After all, Prez Bush previously tried to bomb him to oblivion in the Afghan mountains.
Supposedly he wanted to “prove” he’d gotten Osama, thus the elaborate scheme to get family DNA and the insta-DNA test, but the results are then never made public. No pics or death certificate either, so what was they point? It was mostly an elaborate publicity stunt and it worked well.
But when they announce 3000 people have been killed by drones, it’s difficult to believe there were 3000 terrorists/militants who posed some imminent threat to the US. They don’t give the ratio of “righteous kills” to “collateral damages”.
One moral objection to drones is that they’re unfair or unsporting and cowardly, but that argument has gone on through history, when stone throwers objected to spears and swordsmen and archers damned cowards with guns.
@ Tim V 11 Feb, 2013 – 3:06 pm
“NR 11 Feb, 2013 – 1:48 am I agree we are entering a new brutal age when even “democratic” states excuse and massage brutal acts as a “good” thing.”
Chairman Mao knew power came from the end of a gun. We’re just admitting he was right, and there’s no longer any great moral distinction to democracy. Might makes right.
@ bluebird 11 Feb, 2013 – 12:14 pm
“Drones/Droner. That’s a crazy name coincidence.
I am waiting for the first minidrone flying in front of my window and shooting me into my head while i am typing …. Unfortunately such things aren’t science fiction.”
There are already private citizens flying small helicopters fitted with cameras. Leftists and rightists are upset over privacy issues. Not a large stretch to fit even those with a small weapon. I will bet gangstas are working on that in their garages. The problem would be compensating for recoil so you could have more than one shot without flying around and re-aiming. Rightists are scared they will be targets under the current administration.
Another strange one.
http://www.bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/2013/02/11/news-Examinations-fail-to-shed-light-on-deaths-62832.html
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Same story, same source but later headline:-
Finding out how Frankley pair met their deaths ‘could take weeks’
Read more: Finding out how Frankley pair met their deaths ‘could take weeks’ | Bromsgrove Standard
http://www.bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/2013/02/11/news-More-tests-to-be-carried-out-on-Frankley-pair-62900.html
COULD TAKE WEEKS translates into Eric speak ‘Could take 10 years’
Pink
11 Feb, 2013 – 5:17 pm and others, perhaps killers have discovered if you want to target one it’s better to target two. Man kills woman; man kills himself. Murder and suicide. No need for further expensive, time consuming, inconvenient murder hunt. Perfect. “Move along now there please.”
What I find rather strange is that even when the facts are very suspicious, the thing is wrapped up very quickly with a Coroner finding (without jury I presume?) that a man is responsible for murder and suicide without any opportunity to challenge the evidence, which at least be the case if he had still been alive. There are very big questions waiting to be answered in this Creegan/Didier case as there are in the Mollier/Al Hilli one, and some very coincidental parallels as well.
For example if he strangled his partner, what was the motive and why there? Why go to all that trouble if a drive out in the country would do it? And why take daughter with you but not harm her in any way? (Maybe he did harm her and this information has been kept secret to protect her ?) But there’s the difficulty of manhandling the body out of that confined space making no noise to wake the child – even the murder itself, noiseless on a small boat. Blood on the bed? Where did that come from and from whom, after all this was not a stabbing or shooting apparently. And although if you were going to dispose of a body on the water, tying weights to limbs might be predictable, choosing the same method for yourself? Convenient those dumb bells – 90 kilos of them. (Oh if they could be more intelligent and speak) Taking them, cable ties and ropes with him without raising questions on the part of Creegan. Nothing in the weeks preceding to make her suspicious or anxious about taking her daughter away with him? Then no suggestion of the 13 year old questioning where her mother had gone? Where or how could she leave from there? No attempt to seek help even when other boats came by. How did she pass the time for those six days without her mother? Even when Didier disappears too. All too strange for words.
Then there are the rather strange affinities between the two stories:
death of adults whilst children survive; multiple death; remote location; child inexplicably comatose/alone for long period; suspicious circumstances not explained; similar ages; foreign born victims; IT occupations/backgrounds plus security connections. Both live Surrey roughly 20 miles apart; Didier is claimed to kill himself only four days prior to the Chevaline murders; the two families both set off on holiday within days of each other; the shared names of Didier and Creegan – the former with Didierjean and the latter with Dale Cregan who after killing on the 11th May and 10th August, shot two policewomen on the 18th September.
No connections between the parties here so we may assume this is wholly coincidental and the events are unrelated. Intriguing all the same.
This is an aside.
The strangest things come up when searching Annecy:
http://www.teslamotors.com/event/roadster-experience-annecy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Page
The lawyer for Michael and Linda Mastro also had some sort of connection to an electric car company, as an advisor:
http://fr.linkedin.com/in/tterrier
@Straw44berry: Sorry, all I can think of whenever Bromsgrove is mentioned is that it is the birthplace of non=serial killer and ex-colonel Russell Williams. It’s infamous now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/opinion/police-dishonesty-in-the-courtroom.html
@TimV 11 Feb, 2013 – 4:43 pm
Nice summary! Will bone up on Bromsgrove asap.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/itavia-flight-870-ruling-adds-support-to-a-theory.html
“The crash… has produced legions of conspiracy theories… the most widely accepted… that a missile fired by a warplane had hit the [plane].”
“Cover-up theories have been fueled [by a] “suspiciously high mortality” [of people] connected to the case.”
“Through traffic accidents, shooting deaths and suicides by hanging, there were 36 untimely deaths by 2011… a number of “bizarre accidents”… like being run over by a tricycle and slipping on a banana peel in a Rome subway station…. What terrifying truth warranted a cover-up at the cost of the lives of all these people?”
“[one theory] has to do with rebels in North Africa and jockeying for oil concessions between Italy and France. [Another] holds that the plane was shot down by Israeli forces that mistook it for a plane carrying enriched uranium earmarked for Iraq.”
“This is an incredible story, where a series of colossal lies have been told,”
Another aside. More trivia from the French Alps, this time from Les Arcs:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=lqMZzZ7p3jIC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=robert+hare+%2B+les+arcs,+france&source=bl&ots=mC-1_0Vwsa&sig=xHUNsDIeqZHY0AAxE4Hk6M1loVo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QXkZUdCYIMzoiAL5-oCIAQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=robert%20hare%20%2B%20les%20arcs%2C%20france&f=false
The idea of a “lone wolf” is nothing new. NATO has studied it.
Have any white elephants floated up in Lac Annecy?
Psychopathology Check List. (WIKI)
Factor 1: Personality “Aggressive narcissism”
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Conning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
Callousness; lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Factor 2: Case history “Socially deviant lifestyle”.
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release
Traits not correlated with either factor
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Many short-term (marital) relationships
Criminal versatility
Acquired behavioural sociopathy/sociological conditioning (Item 21: a newly identified trait i.e., a person relying on sociological strategies and tricks to deceive)
Nice to know who was riding that bike!
@Tim V
10 Feb, 2013 – 11:30 pm
It depends on what they saw if it just looked like someone had collapsed SAH would get out to check , Z might just get out and follow being curious ,SAH moves SM into more comfortable position lying him with arms by his side and asks what’s happened mate , SM say’s X (naming someone)is in woods he/she has just shot me ,mind you I don’t think its likely if he was shot 5 times first but BM seems not have noticed even after he had been shot in the head as well .
Tim V
10 Feb, 2013 – 11:51 pm
You trumped me twice .. 7 beats 5 and Telegraph beats Mail .
Tim V 11 Feb, 2013 – 11:48 pm
“Psychopathology Check List. (WIKI)”
Fits almost all politicians – several ex-presidents and ex-prime ministers come immediately to mind, and virtually the entire entertainment and creative community.
As was mentioned recently, highly successful businesspersons often fit psychopathic profiles.
That leaves as “normal” those peeking out from bedroom curtains – the bane of field operative spies. Should I include us, devoted to prising out peoples’ public secrets from the Internet, in this last group. 🙂
Would we not, were it feasible, use tiny camera drones to peek in windows? We already have the little Google Man doing some of this on our behalf.
Here’s a biz opportunity. World-wide surveillance Rent-a-Drones, controllable from average citizens’ computers at reasonable cost. It won’t only be government snoops we need worry about.
I’m still puzzled by the “helicopter pictures”.
The fact that these were taken with the BMW in situ and therefore before the cleaning crew began work is most puzzling.
We have seen that the French like to “leak” their releases to the press would mean they have “established lines of communication”, yet in this case, they were not used.
Instead we are presented with the illusion that a press photographer hired a helicopter which then (cheekily) over flew an active crime scene.
He must have been confident that there was something to photograph. And hey presto, there was !
What is also strange is that when they came to photograph the Claygate property, once again a helicopter was used.
On the face of it, that doesn’t seem so strange. Does it ?
Infact it is a very clever trick that was played on your unconscious mind. Like subtle advertising.
The message played is…
“In the Al Hilli massacre, over head photography is very normal”.
When the tow truck arrived to remove the BMW, the helicopter was “released” and allowed to over fly the crime scene and take pictures. These were then published.
Later, in Surrey, futher over head shots were used.
If you had any doubts with regard the over head crime scene pictures…your subconscious mind now will determine that there is nothing strange about this. This is perfectly normal.
One thing which shocked many people with regard to this crime, was the speed in which it was was re opened.
However, this also plays to the subconscious mind. You merely reason that “this is the French way of doing things”.
You now have THREE things anchored in your unconscious.
All slightly strange in themselves.
Yet all reaffirm the other.
Therefore the question is, why were the crime scene pictures taken ?
I have my own theory on that.
But I will let you consider the following.
The photographs show almost FOUR sides of the vehicle !
All the passenger side and the front of the BMW.
Part of the drivers side and also the rear.
That’s quite something don’t you think ? Almost prearranged ?
@NR
What I find on the internet is something I have dilemma’s about ,I have been so tempted to put up one or two things on facebook I just find it difficult to decide whether I should and have witheld it,if it’s public then there is the excuse that if I don’t then someone else will on the other hand I don’t feel comfortable about it ,it’s a learning curve for sure .
Google maps are great I have driven all around those roads and seen sights I will never get to see in real life and got a flavour of what living there is like.
I have been along the bike tracks with cyclists with helmet cams,touched on snowboarding and skiing the same, there are loads of webcams at the resorts if you want to watch .
Given the drone peeping option I can see me being tempted 🙂