The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/topstories/10226129.Police_u_turn_over_Putney_fire__murder_/?ref=nt
@ Felix OT JD/Norfolk Broads
At Icke commenter brokenshadow 13-02-2013, 02:51PM has a good ideas: “In any case, the bodies were found separately which means they were separate, not very near to one another.”
“In fact, the school term in 2012 began on 3rd September.”
If the boat was moored in the same spot and two heavily weighted bodies were put overboard, they could not have been at the most more the length of the boat apart, or somewhat more if the boat drifted on it’s mooring line.
Yet recovery divers find the bodies hours apart. How likely is that, unless visibility in the water was only a few feet? Stories say the water was shallow and on the edge of a marsh. They don’t say how many fathoms, but it’s not likely the bodies were deep sixed.
Another parallel to the SAH mystery. It’s right on edge of the start of a new school year.
The story posted from haaret – from the link provided earlier
On the web, the genie is out of the bottle
Facebook, Twitter, and the blogosphere are full of reports that users claim are being banned from mainstream news sites.
By Haaretz | Feb.12, 2013 | 10:24 PM |
A new affair has proven once again that in an era where the Internet is a means of bypassing the mainstream media, the attempts of the military censors to put the genie back in the bottle are utterly hopeless.
The original reports from the foreign press are flooding social networks such as Facebook and Twitter, and various bloggers are also writing about the affair that has embarrassed a government agency. There is a flood of screen shots of the earlier reports that had been published on Israeli sites; reports that surfers say were later removed following the censor’s request. In addition, every attempt to watch the original news report is blocked to users outside of Australia. The report, however, has already been uploaded onto YouTube. The link to the film has been shared over and over again.
Meretz leader Zahava Gal-On posted on the party’s official website the full details of the affair – which she claimed the media were forbidden to report. Amongst others, blogger Richard Silverstein is reporting on the case as well. Silverstein also reported on the Anat Kam affair while a media gag order was in effect in Israel.
The Internet is also full of memes – such as reports mocking the urgent meeting of the Israeli Editors Committee. “██ ███ ██the affair██ ███ the███████Australia███ ███ ███ █████ ██ ███ ██ ███ ██ ███ ██ █████ ██ ███ ██ has yet to receive a response,” wrote Dan Cooper on Facebook.
The Room 404 blog reposted Yonatan Zilber’s meme featuring a less effective deletion of the original story – with a line through the deleted words so that they can still be seen, and alternate version alongside them. It ends with the words: “most importantly, if anyone asks you, tell them that (deleted: we are living under a sick, paranoid semi-military regime) we are living in the only democracy in the Middle East.”
@NR
I touched on that in the old Icke thread. Not just separated by proximity, but by over 2.5 hours of skilled fire brigade searching. Also pointed out was that the boat was removed before the bodies were found. Extraordinary.
@Tim V I did wonder myself about the separate PM locations for the Tidworth incident. I have asked someone who might know, awaiting answer. Children upto 18 have to have a separate CONSENT form for PM, but that is all I can deduce as a non-expert. Another fascinating inquest in the pipeline there…. [why was an estate agent showing someone around the flat when the deceased lived there?]
Couldn’t agree more James @ “Oh…and Sa’ads caravan.
It grew bigger and turned into a chalet !” In fact they arrive without a caravan altogether, not to mention the roof rack. Pretty apalling really for anything claiming to be a documentary. Does it?
EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!
In Ref to Tim V 3;42PM summary brought in from MZT:
First we have this:
“The gendarmes already knew the Al-Hillis’ identity in the afternoon from documents they had found in the boot of the BMW.”
Then we have this:
“For forensic reasons they could not open the car doors so found the little girl only when the forensic guys arrived from Paris and they opened the car doors.”
Anyone can spot the contradiction or is it just me?
OK – here’s a helpful hint for the official story “[re]constructors”: you could claim the boot of the car was already open, so all one had to do was to “look in”, and bingo! there they were – the “documents”! so easy to find, too – just ready for the picking!
BTW, while you are at it, dear “re” constructors: you may want to make a decision about them passports; were they at the foot well of the driver side or in the “boot”?
How about it guys?
Addendum: : these helpful hints were provided free of charge. Should more in-depth support be needed for fixing the “story line’, you’ll find my fees quite reasonable.
Teaser: remember how it was claimed by someone at some point that the women were shot “from the back”? something that would make identification quite a bit harder? well, the “open’ car boot could make that a reality! but you may still need some help figuring out a way in which this could all happen in 30 seconds….
James
13 Feb, 2013 – 12:21 pm Silly me! I’ve only just remembered something I was going to comment on earlier. Trouble is I can’t remember where I read it now. It was that they established occupants identity from items retrieved from the boot! That seems a bit like making up the story line to fit the facts, a bit like a criminal does when he’s caught out. So this suggests despite the passports in the driver’s side floor well (is that accurate?) and being told not to open the car doors, they did in fact open the boot, and in this way established where they were staying, which resulted in enquiries, which revealed there was a younger child, which made them think she had been abducted, which they kept secret, but on waiting for the Paris team, which arrived around 9 (?) Zeena was eventually found at 12!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry to be so long winded) So if this is now the story to explain how they knew who they were and where they were staying, and how an early photo shows the boot open, a couple of questions arise (as they always do): how did they identify the occupants if it wasn’t by passports in the floor well and how did they open the boot without key or going inside the car to press the release button?
Ah I see now it was that MZT at 3.42. First time I’ve seen that boot referred to although I posed a question about it being open (as did others) at the very beginning of this thing. Maillaud never referred to the boot being open as far as I remember.
Sorry Marlin Marlin
13 Feb, 2013 – 6:53 pm if you think I’ve plagiarised your points without crediting you with them but I’m very slow and behind the curve and only just got to your post – honest. But it’s good to see we’re thinking along the same lines (as usual?)
Tim…
Nope. The boot wasnt mentioned. It was (after all) a frozen scene !
What I want to do, is to turn it on it’s head…abnd write it as the “French et al” see it.
From “the family left Arnand” and “Mollier is ahead of Martin”.
But we have to ignore somethings !
And assume others.
Just to see what “they” have.
So… Mollier enters the combe D’Ire and is pushing hard, albeit he is on the wrong route…and moves futher ahead of Martin.
Time approx (?) 3.30pm
Sa’ad and family park at the Martinet Carpark…having left Arnand at 3.15pm.
At double the spped of Martin, the hillclimbing cyclist (that info was realised quickly wasn’t it !) Mollier is nearly at The Martinet carpark…..
Over to @anyone for the next bit.
Cut n paste the “story” as we go along.
We must stick to the “story” provided.
No “facts”…just what we have been presented with.
…taking a mere 15 minutes, a “pumped” Mollier is arriving at The Martinet.
sa’ad…with his car parked facing inwards, is in the carpark with his eldest daughter.
His wife and mother in law are still in the car (belts on).
The time is 3.45.
Mrs Al Hilli and mother have been in the car for 15mins. Along with the youngest daughter.
The youngest daughter is out of her “babyseat”.
Blood splatters next !
Mollier, clearly shattered…and on the wrong route, stops near Al Hilli and his daughter (any blood splatters on the daughter ?).
A gunman walks out of the woods.
The car is facing forwards. Out of those woods.
Or the woods across the road ?
I assume Al Hilli is in the carpark ?
Does he run towards where the gunman comes from when he makes his getawway ???
Anyway, the gunman pulls out a weapon. He fires and hits Mollier.
sa’ad and his daughter run for safety (their car) which would be towards the gunmans original position.
He (sa’ad) must have shouted to his daughter to run for the car.
The gunman turns (?).
Or sa’ad passes between the gunman and his car (drivers side) with his daughter futher away….to the pax side of the car.
Sa’ad is hit (?) before getting in his car.
Sa’ad opens the door of his car and gets in…..
Here’s our parallel scenario, serious enough for the Israelis to arrest their own mossad man and hold him incommunicado and put a blanket ban on anyone reporting it. Although subject to intensive observation in a suicide proof cell, he manage to “hang himself”.
In 2009, while living in Jerusalem and filing stories to the Australian Fairfax group, Katsoukis was contacted by an anonymous source with connections to the intelligence world.
The story that the source told over a series of conversations was indeed extraordinary.
The source named three Australians with joint Israeli citizenship whom, he said, were working for a front company set up by Mossad in Europe selling electronic equipment to Iran and elsewhere.
“I was tipped off in October 2009,” Katsoukis told the Guardian on Wednesday, recalling the events that would lead to his calling Zygier at his home in Jerusalem and accusing him of being an Israeli spy.
“The story was that Mossad was recruiting Australians to spy for them using a front company in Europe. It all seemed too good to be true.
“But what I was told seemed to check out. The company did exist. I also managed to establish that Zygier and another of the individuals had worked for it. I wasn’t able to confirm the third name.
sorry that was at http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/13/mossad-australian-spies-fairfax-katsoukis
Tim V 7:25PM. Not a problem Tim V – the contradiction with the boot was kind of glaring – plus my ego is large enough to handle a few dings…. But thanks for letting me keep the sarcasm all to myself. It’s a specialite de la maison, you know…..besides, as the new head of the Research Dep’s Temporal Dept. you have special privileges….
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=103266
@Pink 11 Feb, 2013 – 5:17 pm
Re Frankley deaths – once again, two parents found dead, girl survives. As you say, another strange one.
Thanks Pink.
Even stranger:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/frankley-deaths-horror-as-nine-year-old-girl-1594650
Daily Mirror:
Although their deaths are not being treated as suspicious at this stage, the staffing and resources of a murder inquiry have been allocated to the investigation.
cf Norfolk, – “not looking for anyone else” when it was even more suspicious.
CO poisoning alleged, but further tests needed – yet separate rooms and girl survives. How bizarre
More OT (or is it?): Interesting tid-bit on the timeline for agent Ben Zygier:
Arrested sometime in January 2010.
Dubai Mossad assassination: January 2010
beginning of Dubai Police disclosures of IDs and CCTV images of assassins team with references to false European passports: February 2010
Then months of more disclosures ensue, all highly embarrassing for israel.
Questions:
1. was there a “tip-off” to Dubai police early on (January) that allowed them to know where to look and confirm that there was an assassination involved? remember how impressed we all were at the detective work of the Dubai police and the research that established that the death was not accidental? that slight needle prick? it would help if one knew where to look, wouldn’t it?
2. Was Zygier a double agent? and if so, for whom? Australia?
3. Does any of this help explain the very harsh conditions under which he was held?
personally, with regard to question #3, I don’t think so. There had to have been more, much more to explain the very cruel, inhumane conditions under which ‘x’ was held. Mere operational foul-up is not enough. Inadvertent disclosure is not enough. Even a deliberate tip-off is not enough to justify the extreme isolation conditions under which he was held. He must have known more and be seen as a graver danger to Israel’s “security” than just a weak and possibly compromised agent. So even if he had some involvement with the Dubai affair, even if he was found to spill some beans about that particular incident to someone somewhere, there is likely to be far more potentially damaging information that he may have been privy to, perhaps involving a prior operation. An operation that must be keep under the tightest of lids. So tight that not the slightest daylight should be allowed to escape.
What that is I don’t know, but I still think that israel is ultimately worried about one and only one country. And that’s the US.
Somebody had to open the cars immediately to allow a doctor to declare death of the victims.
It is absolutely unbelievable and a blatant lie when they say that they did not open the car doors because of forensics. There is a legal procedure about how to deal with apparent dead people and it is always the first step to check whether or not they are alive. There is a legal request for a MD, usually this will be the MD on duty for the government of the district,e.g. Chevaline or Annecy.
However, an MD will have to touch the bodies to be able to declare death. No MD is allowedto declare death just by visually looking through the window. What if one of them was still alive and the pathology will find that the victim could have been alive if treated by first aid and quick hospitalization?
No MD would risk that. Therefore he will always proceed with routine and precision at a murder scene. That requires physical access to the bodies of the victims and that requires at least the car doors opened on both sides of the car as the first step on the crime scene to be done.
Any different statement by police or media is a blatant lie.
@Marlin: Was the time of his death on January 19, 2010 still January 18, 2010 in Ontario, Canada? It is a most puzzling thing that Lachlan Cranswick’s disappearance allegedly occurred on the 18th.
Wiki says it took 33 people to carry out the Dubai incident.
Q, I don’t have right this moment the exact time Mabhou was supposed to have been killed on January 19, though I have a nice collection of articles on that incident and can look it up a bit later. I vaguely recall it was in the afternoon. In any case, Dubai is 11 hours ahead of West coast and 8 ahead of canada/US east cost (shucks, where is Ontario now? me need to brush up on geography). But yes, for part of the day/night ontario would be ahead. Stay tuned….
Q – 9 hour difference – so at 9AM Dubai time Jan 19, it is only midnight Jan 18 in Ontario, However, some of the key Mossad operators were already on location in Dubai on january 18, and some could have been there sooner as an advance group. Am looking for that one article I know I had that listed the complete timeline for the Dubai operation as revealed by the cameras.
Marlin
13 Feb, 2013 – 8:32 pm this was an exceptional response by Israel. Imprisoning their own man without any revelation or trial, kept in total isolation, inexplicable suicide, then a total clamp-down even when he’s dead and unable to give away any secrets. As always human rights guarantees prove ineffective when the executive claims “national security”, which means in practise, when it matters, we have no protection. So did Australia know? First “no”, now “yes” but the right department wasn’t told. Was his family concerned? Something was put to them to keep quiet a bit like the Al Hillis and Molliers? So a man in his prime is dead and the world carries on regardless. Now we know he worked for a front company trading with Iran as a method of getting information for which he would probably have to appear a double agent. Things seem to have fallen apart when his cover was broken but why did they imprison him rather than protect him? This is closely akin to what we have posited for Hilli/Mollier. Whatever it was it must have been regarded as supremely damaging to the state. Only two things (or perhaps three) suggest themselves: Iran and the plans to sabotage/attack the nuclear programme; Israel’s own weapons secrets; and the part Israel played in 9/11. I think when it comes to Israeli covert violent actions it would be wrong to see any one in isolation. Mollier/Hilli is just one of many. Just one piece of the jigsaw in strategic clash of nations and ideologigies.
*ideologies sorry
Of course there is always the remote chance thatAlon/Allen/Ziglier was actually working for Australian SS when he went to Israel. He had been educated in Jewish schools but we don’t know how much of Australian ethos he had imbibed. Unlikely though. Only about 25 when he leaves – old enough to have been recruited there. So it is possible whilst working for Mossad he was a conduit back to Australia/Britain/America. Alternatively that he did indeed work for Iran but somehow I think this unlikely. It’s not only what he he knew but clearly he wouldn’t be treated that way unless he was also considered to be a significant THREAT if free. There are parallels with Mordicai Vanunu though if anything more severe! What does that say?
James
13 Feb, 2013 – 7:42 pm your “rambles” are always thought-provoking although in danger of loosing contact with the evidence such as it is. Take a look at those tyre tracks. If as you suggest they were made by Al Hilli’s BMW the geometry and his final position dictate that he would have had to have parked facing IN at the sign/south end. The BMW is rear wheel drive and would have been much closer to the road not where the skid marks indicate. That and the steering geometry of the turning front wheel indicate the vehicle was four wheel drive and pointing OUT when it took off in that arc. The only other construction is skidding to a halt but this just does not fit either. If the skid marks indicate a vehicle pointing out it would have ended up pointing in the OPPOSITE direction to the Al Hilli’s car. Anyway the arc does not match. Now factor in only 30 seconds of shooting, there isnt time for the big sweep anyway. No Al Hillis car was always down that end. He may have managed to drive forward a short distance but had to reverse. The shid mark down that end might indicate that or it may indicate a vehicle skidding to a halt in front and blocking the escape route. In any event there is on-site evidence of 4 wheel AND motorbike leaving extreme tracks. The fact that Mollier wants to deny a SUV involved is deeply questionable.
Tim…
Read what I said !
I may be tongue in cheek…as it makes people think, but read how it is put !
I said….put it like the police want it to be put.
It may reveal more.
I know the tyre tracks aren’t from the BMW.
Forget the “circle” they form.
A BMW is rear wheeel drive AND has traction control.
Sooo…the tyre marks would NOT be even (as the car was turning).
As for “my ramblings” !
You have to start thinking bud. Theyre not ramblings.
They have paragraphs for a start !
Tim V 11:14 PM. Interesting comments – trying to tie things together is always a challenge though, when the facts are obscure, and the media is kept from disclosing the facts.
Along these lines, take a look at this article from +972:
http://972mag.com/prisoner-x-a-false-flag-agent/66036/
Dimi brings in some cases I forgot about, like the arrest of Rigi, the Jundallah leader in Pakistan, and transfer to Iran, sometime in Feb 2010. That was a huge blow to Israel’s intelligence that spent quite a bit of energy recruiting him – back around 2007, it’d seem. He was executed in June 10, 2010 in Iran, but not before making a convoluted confession on Iran’s TV.
Elsewhere I saw references to Hezbollah busting some spy rings in 2009, and again in 2010.
So here is another interesting timeline:
June- october 2009- Hezbollah busts a series of spies.
January 2010: Ben Zygier arrested in Israel, unknown exact date.
January – February 2010: Rigi arrested in Pakistan (unknown exact date), later flown to Iran (US approved of transfer – see link above!!)
January 18, 2010 – Lachlan Cranswick disappears in Ontario, canada (see Q above)
january 18-19, 2010 – first Mossad operatives arrive in Dubai and check into hotels.
January 20, 2010 – Mahmoud al-Mabhouh is murdered at his hotel room, about 5 hours after arriving in Dubai.
February 2010: Rigi is “transfered” to iran.
February 2010: breaking accounts of the Dubai murder from police chief Gen Tamim. Major embarrassment for Israel ensues.
I need more time to fill up the time line properly and perhaps add to it.
Where does all this point to? only to lots of things happening between late 2009 and early 2010.
Why was it so important for israel to kill Mabhouh and why does it seem Hamas did not exactly try to protect him all that much (no body guard, sudden travel plans, etc). Was he ‘sacrificed”? by whom and why? these questions came up at the time, BTW.
One possibility suggests itself: Could Ben Zygier, who evidence suggests was involved in recruiting/contacting mossad assets in Lebanon, Syria, Iran etc., started spilling some serious beans, say some time in 2009, resulting in a series of set-backs to Mossad and Israel’s image?
If he did and the israelis found out that he was compromising the very networks he was involved in setting up, resulting in loss of some field agents and the “burning” of others, plus serious diplomatic disaster for israel, that would justify arresting and keeping him in confinement. Probably while trying to extract more information about what other networks could be in danger. Would that justify the harsh punishment? may be.
And while i am at it – wasn’t Saad reputed to have ‘visited Iran” or rather, Qom, some time in 2010? that’s just my memory – I may be wrong here.
@ straw44berry 13 Feb, 2013 – 10:12 am
“Christopher Dorner:-”
In the “whose conspiracy theory is being gored” department: The HuffPo is encouraging conspiracy theories about Dorner – namely that the police burned the cabin, and the reports that over the 7+ days of the hunt there were three separate finds of his ID, including in the ruins of the cabin. I too thought that reeked of high strangeness, but why would police say that? Can’t find specific links at that site — they now have so many stories by various free-lance reporters featured.
The rightists deplore the leftists’ conspiracies. While HuffPo forbids any conspiratorial comments about Sandy Hook, and has a special page to debunk them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/sandy-hook-hoax-theories-explained-debunking-newtown-truther_n_2627233.html
Marlin
Interesting timeline regarding Zygier. If he was a double agent then rather Mossad/Hezbollah than Mossad/Iran.
I had the suspicion that SAH (traditionally by his uncle’s connections) was CIA/Mossad and by his wife’s/mother in law connections also Hezbollah. There could be some truth and we know that assassinations are usual for double agents. He would not be killed if he were an agent for one intelligence only.
Melbourne/Australia: SAH’s cousin Ali al Hilli (who is agent Hashim’s son) is likely the most prominent Middle East person in Melbourne, running a Middle East and Iraqi society there. Without any doubts he has knowingly or unknowingly contacts to both Hezbollah and Mossad agents in Melbourne.
So there could be some truth in your list.
I jad always the suspicion that Hashim was arrested and tortired by Safdam because he worked for a rival intelligence, too. Hashim worked for CIA but so did Saddam and his family, too. What if Hashim worked for Mossad as well and Saddam got a hint? That would result in torture. Did the son and nephew traditionally continue the work of Hashim? But then, in Saad’s case, thete was his Hezbollah marriage in 2003. Don’t forget SAH’s Mossad neighbour Saltman! What did he know?
Re: Katsoukis / Ben Zygier /Ben Alion / Ben Allen
“In Australia you can change your name once a year. He’d done it four times… Mossad was recruiting Australians to spy for them using a front company in Europe. Zygier… had worked for it. Fairfax… withheld the details about the existence of the front company.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/13/mossad-australian-spies-fairfax-katsoukis?CMP=twt_gu
How many Australians are running about the world, each with multiple identities? Nobody ever names the alleged electronics front company in Europe — the shell company — 55 Princes Gate perhaps?
I was about to ask how did the Australian government know of Zygier’s death, but that’s answered in this link. Why did his family in Australia need assistance in repatriating his body? Did Israel’s govt. want to bury him in Israel? Why didn’t his Israeli family want to bury him there?
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/dfat-unsure-if-smith-knew-about-zygier-20130214-2ee7r.html
Zygier’s secret could not have been that earth-shattering if Israel shared it with ASIS even if not with their diplomats.
“Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office summoned Israeli editors to ask them not to publish a story “that is very embarrassing to a certain government agency”, Israel’s Haaretz newspaper said.”
Even the PM says it’s only “very embarrassing” and not that it would result in the destruction of Israel. If the latter they could easily have double-tapped or triple tapped if his silence was that big a deal. Why keep him in super-solitary? To prevent somebody getting his DNA maybe? Did they over-torture him, resulting in death? That would be embarrassing to whoever did it — most unprofessional, but the extraordinary secrecy long predated his death. Was his unusual imprisonment the result of internal divisions in Mossad?
Not that it has anything to do with Zygier, but an Israeli company came up when looking at the JD or ED that Bluebird found in Paris/San Francisco. It comes up in many IT refs, and it’s only of note because it now owns Zone Alarm, which Bluebird said was originally done by McAfee and allegedly had a back door for Mossad. The McAfee that is allegedly nutz (or is he?) and was wanted for questioning in a murder in Central America, before returning (escaping?) to the US.
The second thing that doesn’t have anything to do with Zygier is that there was a zygier.net domain that had a main index page in Polish that has been taken down. There were links to it from the Cheltenham Key Club — a page that looks like links to dating or webcam stuff, and one link back from Brisbane. The zygier.net domain was on servers in Scottsdale, Arizona, on GoDaddy, so that doesn’t mean much, but also linked to Reston and Stirling, Virgina, though those probably are for Verisign certificates.