The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Bingo!
The name Ben Okada exists on the internet. And – i hear the bells ringing now – that name is used by NIGERIAN SCAMMERS in the UK, too. Do the bells ring?
Quote:
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Internet scammers Vs Internet security !
Heres a thought Rantek’s exports (around Allot and Trustwave).
What would be one of the worse things that could happen for the Israeli regime ?
Would the current Israeli government would have misgivings about the Iranian government being provided with additional tools to suppress political dissent ?
A democratic Iran would be unlikely to abandon its nuclear programme…. yet it could not be demonized in the same way as the current regime.
How bad would it be if it Mossad was assisting in the supply of such equipment and software to Iran.
It could be agrued in Tel Aviv that their own government were infact supporting hostilities.
Ahmadinejad. Israel’s worst and best enemy !
That’s something to hide away for sure.
The head office of RanTek is located in Randers, Denmark.
Sales offices located in Oslo, Norway and Stockholm, Sweden.
Seems like Denmark, Norway and Sweden are hubs for the sale of “IT” to Iran.
NR
20 Feb, 2013 – 9:45 am the article you refer us to makes the same point as I did earlier, namely that the passport and Dubai assassination issues were insuffucient on their own to warrant the extreme treatment meted out to Zygier, partly because the information was already in the public domain before his arrest. It might conceivably have led to his trial and imprisonment if it had been thought he was the leak, but surely not to the lengths to which they went to keep his very existance secret? As we have agreed here, and as a result of great research by BB and others, it seems much more likely it was to do with that Milanese front company and the use Mossad had put it to.
However there is another hunch I would like to draw your attention to that I think links the Zygier to Chevaline. Both Marlin and I have contrasted the subtle differences of approach of France and Britain which we have postulated indicate within the confines imposed by close military contacts, the British have indicated their displeasure at what they know is French collusion and cover-up of a third party assassination squad (probably Israeli but possibly American or a combination of the two).
I base this on the fact that if we regard “Philippe Didierjean” and his two female companions as DGSE assets (based on the secrecy surrounding him, the fact that though described as local he cannot be found locally, the strangeness of his explanation for being where he/they were, the way he was susequently treated and his story used etc) there is clear divergence between his and WBM’s story that I believe as the British asset on scene, was quite deliberate. PD’s line was that “nothing passed him on his way up the combe – no vehicles, no people”. WBM on the other hand points a rather vague finger at both a green 4×4 and a motor bike, up and down, on the face of it, a clear contradiction which added to his refusal to accept the French story that he made the first call undermine the French storyline. Subsequently the French had to make unconvincing changes to accommodate it, first by claiming PD made the first call (that still does not fit) and second by inventing the forestry vehicle and a claim that weeks later it had been ruled out – a totally unconvincing story.
So I would argue this essentially British operation had been torpedoed by the French collusion and MI6 were/are mightily “pissed off” and subtly, but not too subtly, taking their revenge in ways that will echo through the incestuous world of the spymasters. I believe, though hardly sensitive souls themselves, MI6 regarded Chevaline a double cross that breached even their unwritten rules of behaviour.
Now how does this link to Zygier? It is well known that the fledgling Australian secret service is the child of MI6. Indeed the televised spokesperson was stated to be such. One can assume with some certainty that what was known to them about Dubai was quickly known to Whitehall. We may then ask how was it that this individual’s detention and death were kept secret for so long, or conversely why has it become public now? Could it be this is MI6’s way of making life more difficult for Mossad and the Israeli Government in response to the Chevaline operation? I would say that was a very likely possibility even though it might in consequence also prove embarrassing for Australian Government officials. Indeed that might even be a secondary benefit.
We see as respect to the extended families of Mollier, Al Hilli and Zygier a very puzzling reluctance to comment or complain which can only be explained in terms of the “quiet word in the ear” that to do so would be counter-productive, even damaging. A sure indicator that all have been nobbled by the respective security services. This is a game between Nations and their secret arms, where individuals matter little and appearance is all.
“Israeli computer security company Allot has for years been selling surveillance software and programs that locate mobile phone and Internet users to the Danish company RanTek, which then resold it to Iran”.
Does that mean you have to link in with a satellite or other GPS system ?
Is that why Al Hilli was up on the Combe D’Ire ?
What I didn’t say above but meant to, was that in addition to the likelihood that the Zygier revelations may resulted from Chevaline, so conversely Chevaline may have been a direct result of whatever caused Zygier to be locked up and killed. It may well have been Mossad’s way of responding, giving a “bloody nose to”, to what it saw as British interference (via Australia) in it’s covert activities of which Zygier was aware, particularly as regards Iran but not exclusively. Israel has much it might wish to keep secret in its dealings with others, including Iraq post 2003 and America up to and including 9/11.
@Bluebird: Don’t forget link to a mechanical engineer on Maya’s LinkedIn:
http://il.linkedin.com/pub/eyal-zalewski/5b/880/9b4?trk=pub-pbmap
What is H.Y. electronics? Quite a leap from previous career to date palm sprayer.
Brother of Zygier’s wife:
http://il.linkedin.com/pub/eyal-zalewski/5b/880/9b4
Many interesting connections up to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and international court of justice in TheHague. Remember Paul and Taria Devanderschueren? Their family is originaly from the Netherlands and there they are called “Ridder” Devanderschueren what means “Knight” in England.
This is what her brother an engineer, did earlier:
Military department leader – Navy missile ship
israeli navy
October 2000 – October 2003 (3 years 1 month)
Well done Bluebird
20 Feb, 2013 – 12:11 pm. How speculation can come true. What we suggested you have proved!!!!
Q
We were writing about her brother at the same time. 🙂
However, although there is so much new and unseen information here (some of which probably fake), i am still excited about Ali al Hilli being listed on Zygier’s linkedin site. We could not have written that book any better, could we?
@Tim 2:32: I recall a video with an Australian government official regarding Ben Zygier, in which he said the consular office would not get involved or intervene unless asked by the family to do so.
This takes me back to the strange case of Lachlan Cranswick, where there was no known effort by the Australian government to intervene. Surely the unexplained disappearance of a scientist working at a foreign nuclear site (formerly part of the Manhattan Project), would be worthy of further inquiry. Yet there was silence. If any government bodies did intervene on behalf of the missing scientist’s family, it was not made public. This is even stranger considering the numerous disappearances, accidents and murders of scientists working at nuclear facilities around the world. It was almost as if no one wanted to get involved.
Both Ali al Hilli and Geoffrey Zygier use the same embalmer?????
http://au.linkedin.com/pub/dave-cooper/58/1a8/90b
I am puzzled about why they have a business contact to the same embalmer in Melbourne?
Embalmer?!?
The devil is in the details when it comes to writing these scripts.
Lachlan Cranswick had set aside a week of frozen meals to take to work when he disappeared. He left his wallet, cellphone, and GPS behind: all of these could be used to track him — including his driver’s licence. Canadian driver’s licences now contain RFID devices; photographs are run through facial recognition software in the nation’s capital, presumably by the RCMP or civilian security agency, before being issued. Cranswick not only took all manner of safety equipment with him on walks, he documented it on his website. This one time he threw caution to the wind and left it all behind. Cranswick was also organizing an upcoming conference. He set out his garbage bin, and put out his recycling bin, too, even though it would not be collected for another week. Would a person who was suicidal or plotting his own disappearance set out the recycling on the scheduled day for pickup in Tweed, Ontario (home of CFB Trenton commander Russell Williams, who was in between murders at the time)…especially a detail-oriented person who was given to documenting such matters in great detail on his personal website? It doesn’t add up.
Ben A to Z was awaiting the birth of his second child. Such an event is seen as a happy thing to normal people, and reason to go on living.
Maybe normal human behavior is not comprehensible to some.
@Bluebird: What do aviation and embalming have in common? Mr. Cooper.
Not only is there extraordinary rendition, there is erroneous rendition. Speak clearly in telephone calls, lest “tires” be mistaken for “airplanes”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#Airline_flights
They (The “THEY” that is) do like their little jokes.
The person that RanTek dealt with in the sale of Allot equipment in Iran was a person known as “Hossein” (they claim).
Keep in mind that this equipment is “surveillance software and programs that locate mobile phone and Internet users”
Hossein Derakhshan (born January 7, 1975).
Also known as Hoder, is an Iranian-Canadian blogger currently imprisoned in Tehran.
He is credited with starting the blogging revolution in Iran and is called the father of Persian blogging by many journalists.
He also helped to promote podcasting in Iran.
Derakhshan was arrested on November 1, 2008 and sentenced to 19½ years in prison on September 28, 2010.
So…even the name they use to “sell” equipment, turns into a “joke”.
What a crazy game they are playing.
Large numbers of Muslims living in the U.K., Pakistan and Afghanistan work for MI5 as field agents:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rights-and-wrongs-of-rendition-mi5-consults-ethical-counsellor-1638498.html
Q…
Your next question should be…
“Who do MI5 work for ?”
Q
That is a question for JAMES to answer us about what is the correlation of being an embalmer AND an aircraft maintanance guy at the same time?. Perhaps James is an embalmer in his second job, too? And he just didnt tell us? God knows what the pilots are doing when they do not fly. Perhaps embalming bodies?
The question is about is: did Cooper know Zygier and al Hilli as an embalmer or as an aviation engineer? Maybe James can tell us something about Forstaff aviation? That’s his part for an expert contribution. I hope that pilots dont have to embalm their passengers in the near future …
@Bluebird 12;26 p.m.: The Scientology connection is interesting, given what has been discussed about it earlier in this thread, especially relating to Florida.
So now Ben Zygier has another thing in common with Lachan Cranswick. Cranswick, too, had done some research into Scientology. For anyone who noticed a Columbia University link in Bluebird’s many links, that is shown here, too:
http://www.hendrikdejong.com/lachlan.htm
For fans of trivia, Columbia University has an extensive tunnel system. One tunnel contained Manhattan Project relics and a cyclotron, which was destroyed in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_tunnels
Normally it’s good to know 5 mechanics…and a priest.
Just in case the five can’t help you.
You’d only want to know an embalmer if you were flying low n’ slow enough for it to matter !
But seriously, isn’t there some “reg” involving secondary jobs ?
After a hard day embalming…he then sets to work replacing your windscreen !!!! Nooooo way !
James: It’s all starting to sound like Austin Powers. “Who does Number Two work for?”
Ok
Forstaff aviation supplies maintrnance workers for Quantas. They recently reduced their staff. It is logic why Ali al Hilli had contacts to Forstaff and the embalmer. Perhaps he really did need the second job.
But why did Zygier have a contact to al Hilli and Forstaff aviation?
Did Mossad provide maintenance workers for Qantas?
Was the maintenance of Qantas jets alright during the past few years?
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/09/03/348391_news.html
@NR: Another veterinary medicine from Castle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
The curious thing about the Dubai assassination was the use of a drug that is paralytic. In other words, the victim was aware and conscious, but unable to move while he was being smothered with a pillow. A drop of blood revealed that he had been drugged before he was killed.
This one does indicate usefulness as a pediatric anesthetic.
Were the al-Hilli children drugged? Was a drug that causes dissociation or paralysis used? Could a drug that disappears from a person’s system within hours have been used? Can this be dismissed as a possibility?
@Bluebird: Rendition Air?
Those business parks, like the two in Indianapolis connected to Dion Longworth, do have some interesting connectivity, don’t they?
@NR: I should have made it clear about that “autonomous” date palm sprayer in my previous post.
For you, Bluebird:
http://runkeeper.com/user/pdvds/fitnessReports/running/view
http://runkeeper.com/user/pdvds/fitnessReports/cycling/view
http://runkeeper.com/user/pdvds/friends
Blue…
If you go down on Coopers employment, you’ll see he was at Hawker de Havilland .
BUT and this is total “random internet stuff” I slapped in “Hawker de Havilland and emblamer” just to see….
And it gets another hit !
A one Virginia Novak.
She works for Ontic (OEM aviation) in LA
And one of her “friends” is… David Cooper !
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/virginia-novak/11/665/986
I think Mr Cooper…just like planes !
And after a draining day !!!! He likes to keep in with his aircraft patching up buddies.
For you, Bluebird:
Amdocs Canada Managed Services
2351 Bd Alfred Nobel, Saint-Laurent, QC H4S 2A9
Bombardier Aéronautique BAN1
2351 Boulevard Alfred Nobel, Saint-Laurent, QC H4S 2A9
Accedian Networks Inc.
2351 Alfred-Nobel Blvd., Suite N-410
Saint-Laurent, Qc, H4S 2A9
The business park borders on Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport.