The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
So Dr Ramin Pouladian-Kari of GTC is trading with Tablo Co in Iran !
Tablo in Iran has a chairman. A Mr Fayegh Pouladian Kari.
And he was previously a director at GTC
Now GTC’s Pouladian-Kari is 46.
Whilst Tablo’s Pouladian-Kari is 76.
It’s his dad !!!!
He’s been jailed for selling kit to his dad !
Fixed bad link above —
Australian Jews are arguing over your very points:
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/02/20/3120056/prisoner-x-affair-raises-charges-of-dual-loyalty-for-australian-jews
@ Bluebird — name coincidence? A Mike Iqbal in Las Vegas.
Profil: mike iqbal Ostatnie logowanie: 02/08/2012
Start: 22/05/2012 Osoby, które to lubią: mike iqbal.
Liczba osób, które to lubią: 1 Imię i nazwisko:
mike iqbal Lokalizacja: Las vegas, nv, usa
Data urodzenia: – Typ konta: prawdziwa osoba
NR
Mike Iqbal is for sure coincidence. In fact, his name is Mohammad Iqbal, just translated into Mike in America. Isn’t related at all.
Iqbal is an Arab name, particularly used for boys but sometimes it is used for brave girls, too.
James:
company directors GTC Associates
Homayra Pouladian 20 Mar 2002 ⇒ 4 Feb 2011 (8 Years ) Company Secretary
Fayegh Pouladian Kari 20 Mar 2002 ⇒ 31 Mar 2005 (3 Years ) Director
Ramin Pouladian Kari 20 Mar 2002 ⇒ Present day (10 Years )
So his father was director in GTC Associates, too. However, they did not deliver directly. They delivered to a Dubai company first and the Dubai company sold it to the Iranian company.
Who was running that Dubai company? Leonardo al Hilli or Iqbal Mata Hari?
“Zygier’s close friend Benjamin Burrows …”
Not that Benjamin Burrows?
http://www.leighday.co.uk/Our-experts/Senior-staff/Benjamin-Burrows
Benjamin is a solicitor in the Human Rights Department of Leigh Day. His work has a particular focus on prisoner and detainee rights, including healthcare, human rights and discrimination matters.
Benjamin has a BA in History and a Masters in Post-war Reconstruction and Development. He worked for a number of international NGOs and charities before becoming a solicitor, including at the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission.
Or else is he that Ben Burrows?
http://www.defence.gov.au/our_people/nsw/20120105d/index.htm
The 27-year-old Australian Army soldier is currently serving at Multi-National Base Tarin Kot in Uruzgan province as part of Australia’s contribution to the international campaign against terrorism.
Ben is one of two posties for the base’s Australian personnel.
“I really enjoy being an air dispatcher but we usually don’t deploy to Afghanistan so I jumped at the chance to do the military postie course in Townsville and then to get over here,” said Ben.
Ben left what some might call their ideal job delivering beer around Sydney to join the Army five years ago, following in the footsteps of his grandfather.
There are also 2 linkedin entries for Ben Burrows in Australia who both link back 3 times each to Maya Alon. Obviously fake and constructed stuff.
James
20 Feb, 2013 – 7:38 pm Money buys silence and complicity everywhere. It turns pacifists into executioners and family men and women into child killers. It is a more potent weapon than an F16, a more powerful soporific than ketamin. Those with the ability to control money, controls people – millions upon millions of them – us even. We the people, millions of us, are so diffuse and so disparate, we are effectively impotent. Our words and opinions are merely “sounding cymbals”. We delegate to government the authority to spend the money that it collects from us. In Hobbesian theory we enter a contract in exchange for protection. In practise we have little choice or ability to influence how and what it spends the vast sums it collects. In theory democracy requires accountability. In practise there are swathes of government, including the secret services immune from it that follows its own agenda and priorities, and sheltering behind the covert nature of its activities, to prevent the population from knowing what is going on. Those of us outside the circle can only look on and from the inconvenient tid-bits, divine the hidden story. Even fiction contains a grain of truth.
James,
personal message by Mr Fayegh Pouladian Kari:
http://www.irantablo.ir/chairman_message.aspx
Homayra Pouladian is company secretary in 4 companies (one dissolved):
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/908101571
and
http://company.hellocompanies.com/english/329901_Pouladian-Trading-Group.html
Shahab lives in Virginia/USA.
Maya Alon
OMG! These are the women, Mossad is pushing into your bedroom when they want to get some information, and without doubt, you would tell them probably everything for every single piece of their underwear …. Don’t try to access her facebook site. It had been taken offline.
http://status.idolbin.com/fprofile/756669906
Mind you with the likes of BB, Q and others on here, maybe some in the inner circle might have cause to look over their shoulder and change their passwords. You just have to compare the stupine approach of the traditional media with what has been discovered or revealed here, to prove the value of the internet and its users in a new global age of information availability. Governments are slowly getting wise to its implication and Assange was the wake-up call. It has the potential to dissolve the traditional barriers of race, religion, language and culture and allow the ordinary people James speaks of to communicate amicably. As he says opposition and aggression rely on fear, which paradoxically relies on esoteric divisions when in reality, objectives and methods have much in common. The madness of war ensures only a mutual disregard for humanity and civilized behaviour. “MAD” – “Mutually Assured Destruction”.
Q
20 Feb, 2013 – 8:33 pm you outline a very real and frightening scenario in which our “identity” so called resides not in us but in some electronic form that for all practical purposes – applying for a job, a license of any kind, moving between countries, criminal record etc – can be manipulated with little chance of proving it wrong. An 1984 scenario that is already upon us if you have tried to open a bank account or apply for a drivers license. Now this gives government, if it is so disposed, great opportunities, as the the Israeli cases demonstrate admirably. False identities have always been a part of the dark arts from the time of Sir Francis Walsingham at least. Now with modern technology and techniques it is arguably much easier and with greater consequences as our unfortunate Mr Zygier demonstrates.
Zainab was mistaken for dead, and Zeena’s presence was not picked up by a heat-seeking helicopter. If we are to believe that they were alive when help arrived, presumably their heartbeat and respiration had dropped to levels that were barely detectable, especially by amateurs using the “clapping” method. Drugs could cause this. An antidote could reverse it, if administered in time. Do lone nutters carry paralytic drugs with them when they go out in the woods to attack tourists? I think not. This type of action indicates calculation and preplanning, like the work of a psychopath, or one of those agencies that favors such signature techniques. Some might think the two terms are interchangeable.
@Marlin: It’s handy when we have discussed information that becomes relevant later. I wondered why Australia had sanctioned the ferry/logistics company. It makes more sense now.
For Bluebird: Is it a coincidence that one of the Australian citizens in Israel whose identity was stolen for the Dubai assassination was pregnant at the time? Didn’t Ben Zygier’s wife have a baby later that year after a pregnancy of indeterminable length?
And is that Norfolk, Virginia? There are some interesting jobs there:
http://www.indeed.com/q-Intelligence-Analyst-l-Norfolk,-VA-jobs.html
In 2009 Tablo wants to buy electrical switchgear parts from overseas.
So they use their associates Surrey.
GTC are shipping/forwarding agent, not an end uses.
What did they buy and from whom ?
That FIRST shipment went through because Dover Port had it’s system down that day (what a fluke !)
It was the SECOND shipment that was stopped.
I guess the system was working that day !
Now GTC is run by the son of a very large factory owner in Tehran.
With or without the computer system switched on, you’d think he, of all people, would have had his shipment “checked”.
Especially as he had actually applied for an export licence (which was refused AFTER the goods had departed the port) and he must have informed the authorities when it was due to leave the U.K.
Does that no sound slightly strange to you ?
For slow coach me Q
20 Feb, 2013 – 9:38 pm could you summarise what you and others have discovered regarding the connections between Mossad, Allot and Zigier in particular. Its clear that if Allot is a Mossad tool, it has managed to get into bed with IBM. Now that’s a result.
That part of Virginia is full of intelligence offices and agencies, Langley of course is in that area also!
Tim V
I absolutely agree. Why would a spy want to be on linkedin other than transmitting fake and scripted information deliberately? It#s so easy today. You upload a fake vita to linkedin, you can even use your real or your fake name ….
You install a fake facebook page, and it takes five minutes to create a fake company website, citing your fake name in the “about us”.
We won’t find a website of an intelligtence agent telling us “I am working for “MI6” and I was successful in assassinating Mr.X and Mr.Y. He would be a fool if he would talk on FB with friends or even collegues about what he did.
Therefore we should look at linkedin and FB pages of known spies with some kind of distrust and suspicion. Of course, such fake isn’t reduced to spies only. Even normal people could make a joke or have a reason to create e.g. fake linkedin pages.
However, as long as they aren’t aware of, I am in good hope that we could find links and some truth there. However, the internet will change and we’re going to find more lies than truth in a few years from now. The media are already full of lies and run by liars and by the Ministry of Truth. The internet is on a good way to follow that path quickly.
I don’t trust e.g. all those “Ben Alon and Maya Zalewski, Okada, Alon” linkedin sites at all. This is crap and BS and setup deliberately for disinformation. We know their names but we do not even know what names they had used in what period of their lives and we do not know whether or not they do document swapping and picture swapping amongst each other inside that group. They know who they really are, but for their environment they are other people than they are. We do not know whether or not their pictures are fake or real. Media don’t know this either. We live in a constructed world of imagination and we have to be very careful to extract the truth from all that fake. The more fake they are providing us, the less the chance that we are going to find the truth. The more fake there is published, the better their chance to call truthers to be “idiots”. And right they are.
I never seem to catch up on here.
Tim don’t even start with theories on IBM – a company that begun in Nazi Germany.
@Pink: Thus the need to forcibly restrain a small person who was struggling, and her ensuing injuries. The little one cowering under her mother’s skirts in the back seat would not have resisted similarly. Possible reasons already discussed.
@Tim V 2:39 p.m.: Ordinary people around the world are not so different from each other at their core.
Heres another strange one.
Amir Hossein Ardebili was an Iranian procurement official inside of Iran when Philadelphia-based U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents lured him in a sting to Tbilisi, Georgia in 2007.
There, he was arrested, and secretly extradited to the United States, where he was held in solitary confinement from January until May 2008 when he pled guilty to U.S. export control violations.
They managed to get him from Iran to Georgia.
Do you think that’s strange ?
I do as Tbilisi Airport wa/is a refuelling stop for the “rendition” flights, before the slog across Europe…and to the “hoilday” camp !
With all the rumours flying around, even at that time, do you think that the Iranian secret service would have “known” about Tbilisi Airport, Georgia ?
Didn’t the person that RanTek in Denmark dealt with when they were shipping Allot’s web monitoring kit to Iran use the name “Hossein” ?
The plot thickens.
Israel’s (regime) best friend is Iran.
Without them, what on earth would they do !
@Marlin 8:22 a.m.: Israel working with its supposed enemy Iran, now that is worthy of coverup. Sites like Buzzfeed’s “The 12 Best Bibi And the Bomb Memes” would have a field day with that one.
@NR: I wouldn’t be so sure about Stuxnet not causing any major problems.
@Bluebird: Another aside.
I suppose I shouldn’t mention that Lachlan Cranswick’s father also served in the Australian army.
I suppose I shouldn’t mention that one of Russell Williams’ victims worked as a traffic technician, loading and unloading cargo from military airplanes. Nor should I mention that she worked on the Hercules aircraft at Camp Mirage in Dubai. Camp Mirage was at Minhad Air Base, before the Canadians were ungraciously told to pack up and leave, pronto.
@James 3:06 p.m.: This brings us back to Surrey Satellites and their ship-tracking technology. Do you suppose that those GPS transmitters on ships and their cargo can be manipulated by ship owners, cargo recipients and perhaps even failures at the satellite company or flaws in the satellites themselves via programming errors?
@ Q 21 Feb, 2013 – 3:53 pm
“@NR: I wouldn’t be so sure about Stuxnet not causing any major problems.”
Why, I’m certain every software that Stuxnet might have infected and affected was checked, patched, spackled, Bondoed, plastered and glued. No expense spared.
If anything does go wrong, the media will wail, “How could such a terrible thing happen? What can we do to prevent it happening again?” They will interview an InfoSec expert with credentials in Small Animal Anesthesiology — with a minor in Dental Technology or some such.
@ bluebird 21 Feb, 2013 – 3:17 pm
“Tim V — You install a fake facebook page, and it takes five minutes to create a fake company website, citing your fake name in the “about us”.”
Reminds one of the Montreal dude with 70 Facebook pages plus hundreds of photo-sharing pages, blogs, vids, comments in forums, etc. No way sorting out which are “genuine” and which faked by tricksters.
Q
It does bring us back to Surrey…but not ship tracking.
You see the newspapers haven’t printed the fact that GTC Assoc was exporting “whatever” to Iran Tablo Co…and that the director at GTC was the son of the founder and chairman of ITC !
Is that not news worthy…or does it ruin the story.
I have looked through various articles that have reported this story…and non mention the “father and son” team.
Did someone in Tehran get wind of the fact that “that day” would be a good day to ship “things” ?
That on that very day the computer system at the Port of Dover would be down for repairs, upgrades or whatever.
And that Tablo took advantage of that.
I think it would be interesting to know what else was shipped that day and if anything else was going onward to the UAE/Iran.
True, NR, dentists do use anesthetics. Some offer sedation dentistry.
@ Q 21 Feb, 2013 – 4:20 pm
“@James 3:06 p.m.: This brings us back to Surrey Satellites and their ship-tracking technology. Do you suppose that those GPS transmitters on ships and their cargo can be manipulated by ship owners, cargo recipients and perhaps even failures at the satellite company or flaws in the satellites themselves via programming errors?”
You mean like the displays would show a freighter or billionaire’s yacht continuing on it’s legitimate track whilst it made a quick unauthorized port call?
I quoted way back an interview with a former spy who related stories of elaborate real-world fakeries of WWII and the interviewer asked if that could be done now, with satellites observing all. The spy predicted it’s as easy, or easier, to fake satellite imagery than bothering with elaborate real objects on the ground.
@James: There are many curious things from the Iranwatch site, the curious use of the al Hili name for that ferry/logistics company, and the al-Hillis’ connections that could play out in various ways. I’m not disagreeing with you. Surrey has a lot of unusual activity.
Who’s who at the zoo? What’s what, and what’s not?
MSM doesn’t report a lot of things. Par for the course.
Those who control computers wield great power. For your perusal:
http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/networking/4971/port-of-dover-overhauls-customs-clearance-messaging/
http://www.datadirect.com/case-study/port-of-dover.html
This MA company owns DataDirect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Software