The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Hyderabad. The CCTV cameras failed to work.”
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-02-23/hyderabad/37256713_1_cctv-cameras-cyberabad-ch-dwaraka-tirumala-rao
NR
Menzies?
Police investigations are usially called by a nickname. The nickname is usually chosen by somebody of the investigation team and related to the investigation. It could be some kind of evidence, a common link between suspects, a hotel name where they met, etc. However it is related to the investigation somehow.
What is Menzies. Albeit that it is a name of a Scottish clan, there is UK based Menzies aviation, a world wide flight cargo handler. However, both does not seem to fit to Annette Creegan.
However, what perfectly fits is MENZIES AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE.
Dental Tech College Menzies amd HEALTH lab Menzies. Both located in Melbourne. That fits both to Annette Creegan and to John Didier.
http://www.menzies.edu.au/
http://www.menzies.vic.edu.au/about-menzies/
I guess that when we link those events that this is the most likely reason for operation “Menzies”.
And then we have Melbourne links and health/dental links in the al Hilli investigation and we have Melbourne links in the Zygier investigation. Perhaps all three events are somehow linked to each other by Melbourne location (ASIO). Don’t forget the Australian roots of WBM!
Follow up on Menzies:
Sir Robert Menzies (WW2 and post WW2 politician and charity founder and supporter of the Jewish communities in Australia).
http://www.jewishnews.net.au/menzies-an-enemy-of-tyranny-and-friend-of-freedom/29309
In attacking the legacy of Menzies, Kelly only makes a passing reference to the strong support Israel received during the 1956 Suez crisis from the Australian government led by Menzies.
Menzies was to say in the Australian Parliament that “the people of Israel have a perfect right to know that their national integrity will be respected.” Together with external affairs minister Richard Casey, Menzies laid the blame for the crisis firmly at the feet of Egypt and its leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, providing Israel with a supportive international voice at a difficult time.
Harry Levin, Israel’s first consul-general to Australia, wrote in September 1949, “Some keen observers seem to feel that there is nothing at all that Evatt holds dear; even his friendship for Israel, they say, will last no longer than it suits his personal ambition. Evatt himself is making it clear that he expects financial support for party funds from local Jewish leaders and he expects them to transmit the funds through him personally …”
Unfortunately these sentiments are not acknowledged by Kelly.Finally, it must be said that throughout his life, Sir Robert Menzies exhibited a marked degree of respect and admiration for the Jewish people.
At the many Jewish events he would speak at during his political career, from birthday celebrations for Sydney’s Great Synagogue to opening the Jewish War Memorial Synagogue in Canberra, he would speak openly of his friendships and associations with Jewish community leaders like Rabbi Brodie and Baron Snyder, saying in the company of the Jewish community “I feel completely at home.”Robert Menzies was the man who revived liberal thought and lifted the standards of Australian politics, and was the strongest opponent of socialist class-war rhetoric and the supporters of fascist ideas. Australians today should acknowledge an immense debt of gratitude to Menzies for his unfailing support for individual liberty at its moment of greatest challenge, for his opposition to those who were impressed by the overseas dictatorships of the ’30s, and to the national division, class war, isolationism and socialist utopianism being fostered from within the Labor Party at the time.
Read full link for more information.
Somehow it looks like that the menzies health foundations are somehow deeper linked to Israel and to Australia’s Jewish communities.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Menzies
The family appointed Allen W. Martin to write the Menzies biography in 2000.
I have no doubts that exactly here in Melbourne (see link below) we could find a common ground for Annette Creegan and John Didier and probably for others and for other events, too:
http://www.menzies.edu.au/
On the other hand, we cannot exclude Menzies Aviation. Can we?
http://m.smh.com.au/national/smuggled-guns-customs-officers-lied-about-scan-20121220-2bplc.html
Employees of Menzies Aviation Services with federal government security clearances are being investigated over their links to alleged drug trafficking within customs. Menzies provides baggage handling services at the airport.The smuggled handguns were identified by a police operation codenamed Otford, which discovered that the guns were smuggled in engine parts that a small number of customs officers falsely claimed they had scanned. Further investigations found that the officers falsified paperwork to give the engine parts the all-clear.While the customs officers were caught lying about their failure to scan the container, there is no evidence they knew it contained guns.It is unclear if any of the smuggled guns, which included four semi-automatic pistols recovered by police, were used in any of Sydney’s spate of gangland killings.Customs has dealt with the case as a matter of misconduct and incompetence and said in a statement that the officers involved had been subject to “code of conduct provisions” and in October “received remedial training and workplace counselling”.However, senior NSW police are believed to have been furious about customs’ role in the affair, especially after it followed a string of so-called “misdetections” by customs staff of drug shipments.
There are two more possible “Menzies” links in the UK that could trigger code “Menzies”.
One is heroin related, the other one pharmaceutical related. Both are crimes.
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Drugs-gang-ringleader-jailed/1260268818311/1257246745756
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?id=5513#newspost
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/ulster-girl-awarded-500k-settlement-for-birth-defects-28517264.html
@ Bluebird @ all
Take a look at this. It is a blog in Polish, from Oct 2012, and under the heading “Standard Blonde” is a long list of names, many of them hyphenated, and in the list are, in sequence:
Naguib-Mahfouz
Sylvain-Mollier
Suhaila-al-Allaf
Wissam al-Hassan
Plus a mix of of many other middle eastern names. Seach-in-page for Mollier. What is it? Bike race results? 🙂 I have seen that name “Standard Blonde” in relation to something else.
http://jazyrafa.blogspot.com/2012_10_01_archive.html
@ Bluebird
11 April 2011 “Karina MENZIES (4.8.81) of Ely, Cardiff: sentenced to four years for possession with intent to supply cocaine.”
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Drugs-gang-ringleader-jailed/1260268818311/1257246745756
“22 October 2012: Karina Menzies, 32, managed to throw her daughters to safety before she was hit by a van and killed in an unprovoked attack on Friday. Unprovoked attack happened on suburban streets in Cardiff on Friday. Police probing theory that driver was targeting family after row with wife.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220855/Karina-Menzies-Cardiff-Hit-run-mother-saved-children-save-herself.html
“Cardiff hit-and-run victim Karina Menzies laid to rest in Ely funeral.”
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/11/09/cardiff-hit-and-run-victim-karina-menzies-laid-to-rest-in-ely-funeral-91466-32199409/
@ Bluebird
Karina Menzies is also listed in the Polish blog. Maybe it just lists names in the news to get search hits.
Porajmos/dévorer
Karina-Menzies
Mohammad-al-Humaidi
http://jazyrafa.blogspot.com/2012_10_01_archive.html
Marlin
8 Mar, 2013 – 2:20 am I go along with virtually all of what you have to say.
I am not quite clear who Koutsoukis was/is and who he works for. His name sounds Greek. Is he Israeli working for an Israeli organisation or freelance? Someone obviously leaked Zygier’s name to him – how else would he pick up on passport information, that is fairly confidential to the general public I guess?
Then the next BIG step was to suggest he was working for Mossad. On what evidence did he base this assumption, putting it to Zygier on numerous occasions Dec 09- Jan 10. It appears Zygier denied the suggestion vigorously “with oathes and curses” but how did he handle the knowledge that Koutsoukis “was on to him”? Did he keep it from his Mossad handlers, hoping they didn’t know and that it would go away, or did he inform them straight away? If they knew it would certainly have rung alarm bells and influenced decisions what to do about it. Was the operation, of which Zygier was part, compromised? Did the circumstance tend to the opinion was reliable and loyal, or the opposite?
It is worth noting at the stage Zygier was taken into custody, the Lebanon network had still not been blown. Nor does it appear that the Dubai assassination operation was compromised in its execution, although of course it failed to be treated, as was obviously intended, as a natural death. It would be naive to think the Dubai authorities were not “pointed in the right direction” by someone. Did Zygier’s bosses put two and two together and make five, suspecting unfairly, that Zygier was the source and acted accordingly?
Now what happened to Koutsoukis’ researches? Did they see the light of day? Was he the author of the article that appeared briefly in Israel in June 2010 that was immediately banned or did this have separate authorship? Am I right in thinking that apart from the fuss (largely superficial) over the fraudulent use of Australian, Irish and British passports, the disappearance of “Prisoner X” or role of Zygier did not appear in the Australian media until the Bormann programme Jan 2013? Clearly he had been fed snippets from April 2010 but sat on them for over two years.
As I said above, with the silence of family assured and the passive co-operation of effectively the only country with a valid involvement – Australia, the Israeli bosses must have thought they had got away with it. Then over two years later it all blows up in their face, laying an axe to (as you so rightly say) the public’s image of itself. Secret abduction, imprisonment and inexplicable death whilst in custody, not of a foreign “terrorist” (which can always be excused) but of one of its own? A palpable failure of its own judicial and penal systems.
“Yes we accept we carry out secret assassination of those that have undertaken violence against us, but do we act like barbaric thugs, to circumvent due process by “suiciding” inmates of our gaols and then going to extreme lengths to ensure no one knows?” That is something that even rabid Zionists might find embarrassing.
If it has been engineered jointly by MI6 and AIOS to teach Mossad a lesson over Chevaline (or something else), I should say it has been pretty sucessful. You will notice up until the 2013 film, neither Ambassador or responsible Minister were made aware and the information only got out because a decision was made at SS level that it should.
Sadly James
8 Mar, 2013 – 2:49 am I think you may be right. It’s a jungle out there. For countries such as ours, the temptation must always remain “if you can’t beat them, join them”. It appears perfectly possible to maintain an “ethical foreign policy” whilst still abducting, torturing, bombing, shooting and killing people elsewhere in the world. The morality of standing aside from or engaging in foreign unrest and conflict is an ambiguous one. By some military action could we have spared the lives of sixty thousand plus civilians in Syria? What is far more sinister is the knowledge that the conflict might have been actively encouraged/engineered by the western powers in the first place as has so often been the case.
Al-Hilli probe hits online information obstacles
By Claire French
March 08, 2013
“Following the establishment of the Joint Investigation Team on September 21 last year, officers from the Surrey and Sussex Major Crime Team have been working closely with the French authorities to progress the investigation.
“In addition, the force continues to provide ongoing support through family liaison officers for the relatives of the Al-Hilli family in this country.
“This is a complex inquiry and we continue to have a team of officers dedicated to inquiries in the UK which remain ongoing.”
Last week, French prosecutor Eric Maillaud, said there had been a “culture clash” in gathering evidence.
He said Mr Al-Hilli had stored large amounts of personal information online, which was now only accessible through servers operated by companies like Yahoo and Google.
“Due to the international character of this investigation and to a clash of cultures, we are unable to access this information,” he said.
“Judges in America are refusing to transmit what they call private records unless we can show it is directly linked to the murders, which is almost impossible to do until we see it.
“Also each request has to be perfectly translated into English which takes up a great amount of time.”
Jack Saltman, a friend of the family whose garden backs onto the Al-Hillis’ home, said the house had been sealed up since police investigations finished last year.
“I hope the girls are getting on well. My thoughts are with them. I hope they can have a good life,” he said.
Resident Steve Wells said: “I think when the international media attention went away it allowed people to accept what had happened.
“I think people now accept it was just a terrible tragedy and hope the two children can live in a loving and nurturing environment.”
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2130485_alhilli_probe_hits_online_information_obstacles
ME: Oh so that’s alright then. We’re all back to normal now. Nothing to worry about! Notice only ONE bit of new information after six months (if you can call it that) the Americans won’t let us have the information off their servers and then CONTRADICTORILY ! that it takes a lot of time and effort to translate it. So have they had access or not? Translate? So not in English or French then? Assume all in Arabic? Now how could they know unless they had the documents? And good ole English bobbies – just an ongoing “supporting role”. Not much urgency or primacy there given that four of the victims were by naturalisation, marriage or birth, of British nationality. Meanwhile the paper in question has the inquisitiveness of a dormant woodmouse; the gullibility of a sheep; the obsequiousness of a well-trained police dog.
Bluebird
8 Mar, 2013 – 10:16 am “Allen”, “Martin”, “Menzies”. Where have I heard those names before?
Bluebird
8 Mar, 2013 – 11:03 am Grampian have an Assistant Chief Constable by that name. Apparently “In July 2005 he had the Force Strategic lead role in response to the ‘London Bombings’.” I’m not suggesting any connection here necessarily btw.
You are too clever for me NR
NR
8 Mar, 2013 – 11:27 am. Please spell out what this means. How come those names are juxtaposed?
@Tim V 8:04 PM
To clarify: The jason Koutsoukis I was referring to is the author (together with pearlman) of that article in The Age that came out on February 27 2010 and was prominently referred to in the Bormann abc report. You should save this for your files as it provides some key early dates, if you haven’t yet.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/asio-in-fresh-israel-spy-probe-20100226-p949.html
Note that Zygier is not named in this article and neither are the two other australian-israeli Mossad agents. Jason was BTW interviewed by Bormann in the documentary and refers to a tip that goes back to october 2009 (see why we need a timeline?). I wonder why the co-author pearlman (obviously jewish) did not mind his buddy Jason getting all the attention.
Obviously he got a very clear and specific tip from ASIO, back in 2009, which included names and possibly phone numbers. What that tells us is that ASIO was on to some shenanigans involving passports back then. remember the Australians who took a boat to Iran in 2009? that’s where the thread starts.
later, no doubt as a direct result of the Dubai assassination passport revelations, ASIO must have hinted that it’s Ok to publish that article. Clearly, this was a shot across the bow to israel. Saying we know who you have in jail (by that time – Feb 27, x was already jailed). read that article with a view towards who must have encouraged its publication and why at that time.
The article by Koutsoukis and Pearlman was squashed in israel, as were later attempts at revelations of prisoner X in June 2010.
As for the lebanon spy network, yes, that was all blown up in 2010 – and 2011 – but there were rumblings in 2009. I believe that the discovery/compromise of the milan company played a role in that though obviously it would have taken time to figure out what’s what and where. As you know I sort of go along with the Israeli Blogger Yehuda bello that the Benjamin Zygier in Milano was NOT the X Zygier though he used that persona with the aiding and abetting of our one and only ben Alon/Allen/Zygier/Burroughs (I don’t go along with everything Bello suggests – for obvious reasons. He is blissfully transparent though so I can tell the line between honest speculation and whitewash/wishful thinking – must not be too mean to Mossad, right?). Part of the reason it may have been so important to keep X in jail is so that there wouldn’t be too many “Zygiers” running around.
Unfortunately, it was too late and the spies – were already caught though some probably managed to escape.
My significant project will be soon done (no, it’s not a mossad operation…ha! much more laid back, if not uninteresting), at which point I hope to share my complete, unabridged, definitive 2009/2010 timeline of events. So stay tuned (and if you want to, by all means beat me to it – I am not over-possessive, as you may have noticed…).
That being said, I have some worries about Craig Murray and his heart condition. What if something were to befall him (here’s hoping he’ll leave to his 90’s) – where would we all congregate? he has BTW some great commenters on the other threads, but it’s good to be our own groupies. And this particular thread has a treasure trove of information – I always worry about the clean teams…..
Sentence in last paragraph should have said : “here’s hoping he’ll LIVE at least to his 90’s”. haste makes waste – don’t we all know that yet?
“And last month it was reported the UK had a policy of stripping British citizens of their passports on national security grounds – two of who were then killed by US drones.
President Obama’s use of drones has recently climbed up the American news agenda following the controversial confirmation of John Brennan as head of the Central Intelligence Agency and Republican senator Rand Paul’s thirteen hour senate filibuster against extrajudicial drone killings.
Brennan has previously claimed that no civilians have been killed by drones, based on the Obama administration’s decision to designate every military-age male in the target area as a combatant.
On Thursday the White House tried to shut down the debate over whether, as had been initially suggested, Obama had the power to order a drone strike on US soil.
A series of HuffPost/YouGov surveys showed that while a majority of Americans support their use to kill people suspected of being “high-level members of al Qaeda”, this is reversed if they are told civilians are at risk of being killed.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/08/drones-obama-european-parliament_n_2835515.html
“I think people now accept it was just a terrible tragedy and hope the two children can live in a loving and nurturing environment.”
That’s a classic. PURE Edward Bernays
You create an emotion “the children”.
And a “warm place” for them to be in.
That’s the last thing you recall of the statement…but your mind reads it clearly.
And your “Sub Con” takes in the following…
“the people” (well you are one, so you have to agree)
“accept” (something must have been presented for “us” to accepted)
“it was a terrible tragedy” (ah! tht’s what we accept).
T’is a good statement.
The other people, who must know, as I haven’t thought more about it since the 5th of Sept but I am part of the people, have been presented with…and therefore accept, the findngs, so I must also do that.
And they are 1. It was terrible (we have to agree). 2. It was a tragedy (we have to agree).
Case closed. End of thoughts.
And all that without any proof to support anything.
So having killed an estimated 3000 in drone attacks in which anyone ii the zone is simply reclassified “combatent” to avoid accusations of civilian murder, the EU is making ever so tactful suggestions this might be slightly illegal and counter-productive.
NR
There are no doubts that she was the drug dealer Karina Menzies who was killed in the “car accident”.
I wonder why she hadn’t been in jail at this time. She was sentenced to 4 years just 1 year earlier. Very mysterious. On the ither side, it could have been coincidence and just bad luck.
Or else, was she perhaps NOT imprisoned because she talked about names?
about the polish site:
This is one of those sites that is crawling for currently used names in search machines and it adds such names without any reason to its own website. That way they are ramked higher on google and get more hits. Probably such sites are full of viruses and adware. Of course, when the names are listed there, then you know that other people had already searched for them.
Tim V 8 Mar, 2013 – 9:53 pm
“You are too clever for me NR — 8 Mar, 2013 – 11:27 am. Please spell out what this means. How come those names are juxtaposed?”
I am not too clever. I fear it was another red herring, a dead end, a cul de sac. The Polish blog is one of those that just lists a string of names current in the news at the time to generate search hits. It also had Katrina Menzies mixed in.
On another matter, the one or two Katrina Menzies are worth a further look.
One, 11 April 2011 “Karina MENZIES (4.8.81) of Ely, Cardiff: sentenced to four years for possession with intent to supply cocaine.”
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Drugs-gang-ringleader-jailed/1260268818311/1257246745756
Another (or the same one) “22 October 2012: Karina Menzies, 32, managed to throw her daughters to safety before she was hit by a van and killed in an unprovoked attack on Friday. Unprovoked attack happened on suburban streets in Cardiff on Friday. Police probing theory that driver was targeting family after row with wife.” [Funeral was in Ely, Cardiff, Wales.]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220855/Karina-Menzies-Cardiff-Hit-run-mother-saved-children-save-herself.html
The investigation into John Didier/Annette Creegan, Norfolk Broads was called “Operation Menzies”.
There is also an improbable possible connection — mistaken identity? — which I suggested before, to murderer Dale Cregan, up in Manchester, who turned himself in because of fear of retaliation for his alleged murder of David and Mark Short by the Shorts’ gang. Were the lot of them involved in drugs dealing?
So lets take it from the first shot fired…
Who employed that man ?
Iran ? Israel ? America ? France ? Iraq ? Or the Brits ?
Now Iran would know its been buying duff kit from The West already.
And that means The West must have been selling good kit…to be able to pass off duff gear when needed. (Ben Z et al).
So why is it said that Ammar Al Saffar had a dossier he was going to present to the Iraqi PM ? To catch the “leaders” that were running the “death squads” ? The PM surely knew this already.
Would that “dossier” go to the Americans ?
Well they are as bent as a corkscrew…and hand in glove with the COR.
Release a dossier “The Press” ?
And what will the peole say. What for dinner tonight I would guess.
What shock could a dossier hold ?
The House of Saud sponsored war in the region ? I just dont get it.
Nice one Marlin
8 Mar, 2013 – 10:02 pm. Being the lazy person I am, will happily await your time line and observations on it. Pending that I would say only that I am rather fascinated by the role of Aussie/Brit SS. First they were clearly in the know but anxious to keep it so, not even informing their political masters. Telling only two senior civil servants orally with no record and instuctions to be kept quiet, are sufficient proof of this. This hardly suggests concerted opposition to mossad activity. Does it indicate support? Again they must have known that “X”/zigier had died in detention and been repatriated yet do nothing it seems to promote a formal Australian reaction. This is surprising to say the least and an absence of family objection hardly explains it. Of course they may have been involved in their own covert intelligence that a fuss might have jeopardised. The failure to inform its embassy in Tel Aviv, affording no consular services, accepting verbal assurances, making no objection or request for investigation when they learned of his death, keeping the DFAT and its minister in the dark even after his death, all point to going along with the Israelies. So something dramatic must have happened to change that approach (depending from when we count it) about two years after Zigier’s death.
These days NR
8 Mar, 2013 – 11:24 pm I think maybe the question should be “Who isn’t involved with drugs?” HA!
NR
It looks as if Annette Creegan was ill and she had permanent pain.
http://dr-john-brazier.com/illness-treatments.php
(second paragraph)
John’s clinical evidence has clearly shown that bowel irritation and inflammation issues often have the same simple causative factors, leading to a range of different bodily symptoms. These factors are usually a combination of spinal nerve inflammation, food intolerance with twists, imbalance and restrictions in the bowels leading to restricted blood flow and emotional issues.
A. Creegan, Lancashire
Mrs. Menzies who was killed was the drug dealer.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4602113/Karina-Menzies-died-saving-her-kids-Eillie-and-Tiana.html
Don’t forget that the Didier John family have a security company and that their security and investigations manager was earlier one of the highest ranked drug investigation officers of the FBI in the USA!
James
8 Mar, 2013 – 11:35 pm the scientific method is to hypothesize and then test the theory by experimentation. The hypothesis may be deductive or inductive reasoning. The raw material we have is limited and sometimes of dubious probity. Neverless it is significant. Most if not all is second hand and dependent on news outlets. Photographs, video, official and unofficial statements and opinions. All of this in the context of regional and global events. In the process of considering all of this I am genuinely sorry to infer what can only be a deliberate attempt on the part of the French investigating authorities to misinterpret the visible evidence, to knowingly put out incorrect information but never explain why, to obsfucate and suggest multiple explanations that are clearly non-starters. There can only be three reasons for this: incompetence; complicity and cover-up; or diversion from the true line of enquiry.
Although we have discussed the incident ad nauseum it still remains a puzzle. I am satisfied that none of the “actors” were there by accident but it remains a connundrum. It is reasonable to assume SAH was expecting a meeting but he was surely not expecting danger of any kind. It is inconceivable he would have placed wife, mother in law and children in danger of any kind. We may therefore conclude he was given total assurance that the people he was going to meet were friends. This is a man who had lived with danger all his life and expressed anxiety before he left Claygate. Would he have gone to remote location with his family unless fully assured of his safety?
Then again the role and purpose of SM being there has never been satisfactorily explained. We have idea as we have with WBM and PD but they remain unproved speculation. We have enough to be fairly confident however, that none are as portrayed by EM which is enough to support the belief that they were not innocent, accidental, participants.
A theory that both the Al Hillis and Mollier were party to significant and potentially explosive information, that they were intent on transfering to a third party, is certainly a credible one. That third party may well have convinced they were Syrian/Iranian and friendly, whilst in reality being CIA/Mossad. It is just not credible that SAH would have knowingly met with the latter, given what we know of his views. Were they both supportive of Iran’s nuclear aims or even of undermining Israel’s efforts to stop them? But why the need for a meeting in a remote location when most information can be transferred electronically, or alternatively at some other safe location? This suggests either equipment/materials were involved or SAH trusted only direct personal contact? The possibility exists the meeting was only between Mollier and Al Hilli to obtain information from the former that was to be transferred back to British Intelligence under the watchful eye of WBM. This would sort of make sense as SM went out of his way to get to Martinet and couldn’t realistically have gone further on a road bike. Indeed the opportunity existed to carry him and his bike back if needed. Had he put his cap on the dash in anticipation?
WBM says a green 4×4 passed him and EM has said it was a forestry vehicle. As such if it parked up in the location, where we know such a one made a violent acceleration in a circular arc to where the three victims were standing, it might not have raised suspicion whilst parked. The attackers could have been suitably dressed as foresters without being them. In any planned attack this would be quite feasible/likely. Just thoughts….
@ Tim V 8 Mar, 2013 – 9:21 pm
“[EM said] …the Americans won’t let us have the information off their servers and then CONTRADICTORILY ! that it takes a lot of time and effort to translate it. So have they had access or not? Translate? So not in English or French then? Assume all in Arabic? Now how could they know unless they had the documents?”
I think EM means the requests for info must be translated into proper US English, with proper page margins, etc. The courts can be difficult when they want to be, moreso when urged to be by other agencies. In the Gareth Williams case Scotland Yard complained the FBI interfered with their investigation in the US.
A further factor is there is no settled law on who owns a person’s “digital estate” when that person dies. The holders of the info (Facebook, Flickr, etc.) claim it’s governed by their TOS and even a family holding the password could technically be charged with hacking. Some states have laws contradicting this and it will eventually be hashed out after many years.
Of course, these same holders of digital info have no problem sharing details with the music and film biz, under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, to catch and draconianistically fine and imprison file sharing pirates and copyright violators.
@ bluebird 9 Mar, 2013 – 12:12 am
“NR: It looks as if Annette Creegan was ill and she had permanent pain.”
So did Ms. Menzies:
“Karina Menzies threw daughters to safety. But the 32-year-old could not run away from white van and was killed. Her legs were weakened by Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease…”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220855/Karina-Menzies-Cardiff-Hit-run-mother-saved-children-save-herself.html
“There has been much soul-searching in South Wales in recent weeks, first over April Jones and now over Katrina Menzies.”
“And it is a community that cares deeply – a community that looks out for those who are vulnerable and broken.”
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/columnists/2012/10/23/peter-collins-man-booker-prize-winner-exposes-home-truths-91466-32081548/
NR
9 Mar, 2013 – 1:00 am, I take your point. You will remember “our Eric” used the same excuse with the British. Now the joint team has been appointed and he doesn’t have that excuse, he blames the Americans. In any event why should “translation” be a problem when they have a team of English speakers (from England) on hand not to mention the simplicity of employing a translator. There is something profoundly vacuous and disingenuous about Maillaud’s pronouncements and always has been.
“Last week, French prosecutor Eric Maillaud, said there had been a “culture clash” in gathering evidence.
He said Mr Al-Hilli had stored large amounts of personal information online, which was now only accessible through servers operated by companies like Yahoo and Google.
“Due to the international character of this investigation and to a clash of cultures, we are unable to access this information,” he said.
“Judges in America are refusing to transmit what they call private records unless we can show it is directly linked to the murders, which is almost impossible to do until we see it.
“Also each request has to be perfectly translated into English which takes up a great amount of time.”