The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ olifant 17 Mar, 2013 – 10:43 pm
Good links above. Esp. “The Litvinenko Teapot & Cup”: http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4341
What with all the searching at Claygate and suppression of pics it’s a possibility someone was involved in moving a substance like that in or out of England, or meeting at Martinet to plan to do so.
If it’s as confusing as the Litvinenko biz, the agencies may not be much further ahead in knowing what happened than we are.
Drones over Annecy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpHLVlIjtuU
DIY drone that is. The X8 by Skywalker.
Mochyn
18 Mar, 2013 – 3:38 am the Guardian article to which you point is yet more evidence of a significant groundswell, which is even now being voiced by leading members of the armed services. My belief is that these, and other recent indications, mark a certain distancing from both the Bush and Netanyahu administrations’ policies. It may well be that behind the scenes, the Chevaline incident was a factor in this. The proverbial “straw”. Let’s hope it’s not just an illusion.
Tonight on BBC:
A special BBC Panorama programme tonight will reveal how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.
Butler says of the use of intelligence: “There were ways in which people were misled or misled themselves at all stages.”When it was suggested to him that the body that probably felt most misled of all was the British public, Butler replied: “Yes, I think they’re, they’re, they got every reason think that.”
One unidentified MI6 officer has told the Chilcot inquiry that at one stage information was “being torn off the teleprinter and rushed across to Number 10”.Another said it was “wishful thinking… [that] promised the crock of gold at the end of the rainbow”.
Tony Blair was “too busy” to reply.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2013/12/panorama-spies.html
If you can, watch it! It might report reveal some points in connections with Surrey based Iraqi UK citizens..
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_MUSIC_DOWNLOADING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-18-10-14-09
Thanks NR
18 Mar, 2013 – 8:05 am You are probably right. WBM “Silver Fern (Sussex) Ltd of course. Started 2006. This doesn’t quite accord with his cv below which he dates from 2000 unless he means he was designing the course for six years before he formed the company. And why the need for a Limited Company rather than Sole Proprietor? Then there is “founder member of Flight Operations Human Factors Standards Group. B757 Pilot Air 2000” Of course it was allegedly an American Airlines Flight 77 Boeing 757 that flew into the Pentagon. Clearly this did not happen but the actual fate of this aicraft has never been explained. Also United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757 flying from Newark to San Francisco, allegedly crashed near Pittsburgh though again there was no post crash evidence of plane debris. Any significance I wonder? We can at least, with some certainty suggest, that WBM was ideally placed and experienced, both in flying and that particular aircraft, to know beyond peradventure, that the flight route promulgated by the US authorities, would have been a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY for both plane and pilot (let alone an inexperienced one) What did he do with this knowledge? Did he inform Boeing? Did he inform the British Government? Perhaps Mr Martin you would like to inform us?
“Consultant B787 PSIP/SFI
Boeing UK Training and Flight Services
Public Company; 10,001+ employees; BA; Aviation & Aerospace industry
June 2012 – Present (4 months) Crawley
B787 PSIP/SFI
Consultant CRMI(G), CORE course tutor, B737NG SFI
CTC Aviation Group plc
Privately Held; 51-200 employees; Aviation & Aerospace industry
August 2011 – Present (1 year 2 months) Southampton
Consultant CRMI(G), MCCI, B737 SFI
Alpha Aviation Group
August 2011 – Present (1 year 2 months) Gatwick, UK
CORE course, MCC course, CRM and B737 type rating instructor
Consultant B777 and B737 Synthetic Flying Instructor
British Airways Flight Training Limited
June 2009 – Present (3 years 4 months)
Human Factors and Leaership course design and training
Silver Fern (Sussex) Limited
Airlines/Aviation industry
January 2000 – Present (12 years 9 months)
Training Captain
British Airways
Public Company; 10,001+ employees; BAY; Airlines/Aviation industry
1990 – 2009 (19 years)
DC-10 pilot, 737 Training Captain, 777 Captain, 777 SFI, CRMI(G), founder member of Flight Operations Human Factors Standards Group.
B757 Pilot
Air 2000
1989 – 1990 (1 year)”
@James: You don’t suppose thonain and friends were flying those birds over a parking lot in the mountains on September 5, 2012, do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS855uctMxM
I guess they wouldn’t post it on Youtube if they had footage.
@Tim V 3;34 pm: FADEC: Much like flying a model plane, but bigger.
I don’t think this aspect has been considered much here. Exerpts below are taken from Boeing document to which presumably, as one of the initiators, WBM had a significant input. Boeing must know what the American Government was saying was a lie. Presumably they didn’t contradict it because of the commercial implications. Further they must have applied their Procedural Event Analysis Tool (PEAT)introduced in 1999 to the four alleged crashes on 9/11 – the most disastrous in their history. Where are the results of that? As one of the founders and an employee, WBM must have known the official 9/11 scenario was a fraud. Rather co-incidentally that was also the view of SAH apparently.
“Boeing has addressed this issue by employing human factors specialists, many of whom are also pilots or mechanics, since the 1960s. Initially focused on flight deck design, this group of about 30 experts now considers a much broader range of elements (see graphic), such as cognitive psychology, human performance, physiology, visual perception, ergonomics, and human-computer interface design. Applied collectively, their knowledge contributes to the design of Boeing airplanes and support products that help humans perform to the best of their capability while compensating for their natural limitations.
Perhaps the simplest example is the progression from an aircraft communication addressing and reporting system interface to a future air navigation system (FANS) interface for data link. Boeing initially studied the effects of uplink message formats on pilot comprehension in 747-400 operational trials (fig. 1). Lessons learned were used when designing the data link interface in the Pegasus flight management system incorporated into current-production 757 and 767 airplanes. These same changes are being applied retroactively to the 747-400. Another example is the 777 communications management interface, which uses multifunction displays and cursor controls to simplify management of data-linked communications and can be customized by operators.
Customer support processes.
In the early 1990s, Boeing formed a maintenance human factors group. One of the group’s major objectives was to help operators implement the Maintenance Error Decision Aid (MEDA) process.
The group also helps maintenance engineers improve their maintenance products, including Aircraft Maintenance Manuals, fault isolation manuals, and service bulletins. As maintenance support becomes more electronically based, human factors considerations have become an integral part of the Boeing design process for tools such as the Portable Maintenance Aid. In addition, the group is developing a human factors awareness training program for Boeing maintenance engineers to help them benefit from human factors principles and applications in their customer support work.
Procedural Event Analysis Tool (PEAT).
This tool, for which training began in mid-1999, is an analytic tool created to help the airline industry effectively manage the risks associated with flight crew procedural deviations. PEAT assumes that there are reasons why the flight crew member failed to follow a procedure or made an error and that the error was not intentional. Based on this assumption, a trained investigator interviews the flight crew to collect detailed information about the procedural deviation and the contributing factors associated with it. This detailed information is then entered into a database for further analysis. PEAT is the first industry tool to focus on procedurally related incident investigations in a consistent and structured manner so that effective remedies can be developed.”
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_08/human_textonly.html
see http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
A long time hero of mine – Robert Fisk – is catching on. Not before time Robert.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html
Need I repeat, we have at least two significant links between Chevaline and 9/11. Whether these would provide sufficient motivation or explanation is of course a completely different matter.
@ Tim V
Where did the description of BM as an ex-RAF hero first appear?
My recall is that originated with EM and the French, even before his name was known.
He must have styled himself as ex-RAF not mentioning Boeing pilot, trainer, British Airways, Silver Fern, work on the 787, the rental in France, etc. Or was the RAF background quickly given to the media by the UK/French agencies and they went with that because it made a better story?
In any other story they’d state the hero/rescuer’s current situation first and perhaps add he was former military later, if at all.
HEU held in France as of 2011, before the latest shipment of HEU for the research reactor at Laue-Langevin in early 2012:
http://fissilematerials.org/blog/2012/08/french_civilian_plutonium.html
This details the HEU held at reprocessing plants, fuel fabrication plants and “elsewhere”. Spent fuel and the civilian HEU stocks are also explained.
Various AREVA plants and subsidiaries must account for a share of this total, likely a considerable amount.
Off-Topic: More weirdness about Sandy Hook massacre:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/18/sandy-hook-gunman-reportedly-compiled-massive-spreadsheet-on-previous-killings/
Question for james
What is the highest altitude for mobile phones to work in airplanes?
I do not mean satellite phones but normal mobile phones that are dependent on ground based signals. For instance, when i am skiing at altitude of e.g. 5000 ft. I cannot phone even then when the nearest mobile phone station is not further away than 10.000 feet but at altitude 1000 ft.
Is this different in airplanes? Can you use your mobile phone at altitude of e.g. 20.000 ft? I was always wondering about how this would technically be possible.
Question for NR:
What relevance has your music download link? Sorry if i cant see it, but at times i am dull …
“In 1963, Dr. Bill Wattenburg, who designed nuclear weapons in the past, said that he and several other nuclear people tried to find the ingredients for an atomic bomb in the Las Vegas area. Assuming they already had the enriched uranium, they found all the other ingredients in 2 days.”
Wattenburg worked for Berkeley Livermore labs, and was involved in bomb tests in the Nevada desert. Can’t find a link to the exact quote [the above is from a blog] but recall him saying the same on a radio show.
That’s not to say it’s easy to make a good, reliable bomb with safety features, let alone one to deliver by missile, but it isn’t impossible to do a basic, crude one.
James
Could you please confirm or deny the below statement?
Or perhaps test it on your next flight? You should be allowed to other than the passengers:
Quote:
When it comes to land and air, the capabilities of a cell phone don’t change. But what makes it possible to use a handheld while in a plane 10,000 feet in the air, and why should it work there when it doesn’t work in your own neighborhood?It all depends on where the phone is, says Marco Thompson, president of the San Diego Telecom Council. “Cell phones are not designed to work on a plane. Although they do.” The rough rule is that when the plane is slow and over a city, the phone will work up to 10,000 feet or so. “Also, it depends on how fast the plane is moving and its proximity to antennas,” Thompson says. “At 30,000 feet, it may work momentarily while near a cell site, but it’s chancy and the connection won’t last.” Also, the hand-off process from cell site to cell site is more difficult. It is created for a maximum speed of 60 mph to 100 mph. “They are not built for 400 mph airplanes.”
James, can you fly your airplane or better a 737 without stalling at maximum speed of 60 miles at e.g. 5000 ft altitude? 🙂
BBC Wikileaks programme from early 2012 I believe. In relation to Iran, the only country USA does not have an Embassy, in an interview at 42.20 with Rezi Marashi, a State Department Official specializing in Iran (2006-2010) who says that the US had a “web of Iran-watchers based in European Capitals, Istanbul and Dubai”. He lists their categories: “Iranian business men; former Iranian diplomats; former government officials; academics; activists; students; intellectuals.” The commentator adds “the Iran Watchers are anextrordinary group. Not quite spies but crucial in the gathering of intelligence.”
This confirms the focal importance of Dubai in American intelligence efforts and to some extent explains Zygier, Mossad, British, assassination, Australian false passport holders back to Iran from there, Areva nuclear contracts, Al Hilli visit, Iqbal coming from there, ferocity of repression of Shias and riots in 2006,11 and 12 etc. Mossad obviously utilized western passports out of Dubai and probably in concert with or on behalf of, CIA. It’s sort of coming together and the dots are joining up.
sorry that ref was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRRFMVPo9m4 @ 42.20 if anyone’s interested
@ 43.39 “28.12.07 A long-term operative for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards provided LONDON Iran Watcher detailed written allegations …” “It’s clear from the cables that one of Washington’s key sources was based in London” It says this is “Ali Reza Nourizadeh” He had a reliable London source. He was subject to an Iranian(?) assassination plot. BB over to you.
@ bluebird 18 Mar, 2013 – 6:21 pm
“Question for NR: What relevance has your music download link? Sorry if i cant see it, but at times i am dull”
Sorry, I should have explained I put it there as another example of legislation and the justice system, at least in the US, working to impose disproportionate and draconian fines and prison terms far beyond what the offense warrants, for example Aaron Swartz.
As in the music download cases it forces defendants to accept plea bargains (thousands of dollars now vs hundreds of thousands of dollars by going to trial and losing).
Because the legal system is based on precedent, the government loves winning these cases against small individuals and businesses, who can’t afford to defend themselves, as the precedent is thus set and used to catch bigger fish later on.
The copyright violation laws are particularly egregious examples, since they were written specifically as a political favor to the music and film industry, but the same applies to much criminal law, where the poor are often given 18 seconds in a courthouse hallway to decide whether they’ll accept or refuse a plea bargain.
Blue.
Maybe the odd rogue sms… is probably the best answer I could give, with you bog standard phone.
Don’t know what Emirates have on their 380’s though, but they have kit (software) to do it….but don’t know what the quality is like as I have never used that sevice.
The comms masts (ground) aren’t built to send signals to aircraft…and “cell to cell” jumps needed would be an issue at speed.
All that considered (and it’s a question of software) it is possible (and it is done) to track voice signals (actually voice) in the air from the ground (which would be using cell normal ground cell masts)
Commercial use….not sure of the costs to make it “mainstream”.
But “non mainstream” you can (and do) pick up the odd “rogue” sms messages (“Welcome to BlahTelco.com, Calls to Europe are 48c a minute”)
P.S. We use Sat Phones. Far easier. And no issues.
But that’s a 50 million dollar jet. I do believe remote canadian Air Traffic Contol use “cell phones” in case of emergency. Not sure how that would work ! (a prop aircraft circling the airfield asking to check the gear…and praying he gets a cracked “yeah” ?)
Imran Khan, Surrey and anti-drone activists.
Wasnt there a search for a Pakistani guy in the early days of the UK al Hilli investigations? Never heard of that search again. Had been suppressed by media.
Imran Khan is an anti drones activist.
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/5073502.Zac_Goldsmith__Jemima_and_Imran_Khan_visit_Kingston_Mosque/
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/5047805.Zac_Goldsmith_returns_to_Kingston_Mosque_with_Imran_Khan/
Imran Khan pictures:
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/27/imran-khan-detained-flight
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19854297
This forum is interesting ….
Maybe this nickname is Saad al Hilli?
https://insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/32/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/36521/Default.aspx#36521
Blue
http://www.aeromobile.net/
http://www.aeromobile.net/news-and-media/press-releases/195-uk-travellers-want-to-text-at-30000ft
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57528381-93/emirates-airlines-allows-in-flight-cell-phone-chatting/
“I’m in Surrey” …”Long live Pakistan”.
Kinda says it all really !
My thing is, I’m not a big fan of terrorists. But I’m not a big fan of people like Bush or Blair that “recuit” their own terrorists by brain-washing.
By using “high tech” kit, you can create your own enermies…especially if you have a few stray bombs take out the odd wedding.
(or better still, lets kill a few thousand of our own, that’ll get the old pulses racing !)
Hence my interest in Chevaline. Was someone there that had “a lot of knowledge…and proof” as to what was going on ?
What is going on ?? Well the “Zionist” Regime is clearly dealing with the “Islamic Republic” Regime. The results of that (a never ending conflict) is clear to see. And “Nine Eleven” produced a damn good 10 year war for “someone”. So what is their next “move” ? Did Chevaline have something to do with it ?
Here i found the al hilli – pakistan report:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-police-investigate-1338671
Detectives are trying to trace a mystery man from Pakistan who is believed to have been in touch with Muslim dad-of-two Saad, 50, in recent months.
“It is the first time Pakistan has been brought up in relation to the investigation. Extremists from that country, where there are a number of terror cells, are regular visitors to these chatroom sites. Saad could have made himself a target.”
+++
So is that insaf forum (see above) that one where Saad left his “rants” ? Is Imran Khan the mysterious guy from Pakistan? (who visited Surrey/Kingston mosque)?
James
Thanks for the links but those do not answer my question. I do not want specially equipped airplanes. I was asking whether or not a normal cell phone (without any airplane specially equipped) could be used in an airplane at e.g. 10.000 ft altitude. I mean a cell phone that is dependent on signals from ground antennas. I dont think so. And therefore i believe that the phone calls with cell phones from the 9/11 planes must be non existent as they are technically impossible.
Did you ever try to use your cell phone in your plane at e.g. 20.000 ft and did you have a signal then?
Imran Khan’s sister is an UNICEF ambassador.
UNICEF is in Geneva.
Al Hilli’s uncle was UNO ambassador, al Saffar and al Allaf families had both UNO ambassadors.
This is UNICEF ambassador Jemima Khan. She is not Imran Khan’s sister (error in the Surrey media!) but his ex wife.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima_Khan
Jemima Khan was a close friend of late Lady Diana!