The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Olifant
Many thanks for the translation.
So we can assume that Kadhim al Hilli is in fact Kazim abdul Hussein al Hilli? That would mean that their grandfather must be Hussein al Hilli? Right?
Then Haitham Husseini al Hilli must be whom? A sister of Kadhim (Kazim) or his mother? Or is Haitham a male name?
I would be interested what kind of website alnoor.se is? Is that a kind of Hezbollah site or does it fulfil another purpose?
Meaning of the word شعر in English Arabic Dictionary of Agriculture …
hair – any of the fine threadlike strands growing from the skin of mammals, especially from the human head Hair (root: hair – field: literature and poetry): Qarb poesy – old use poetry – poems in general – a set of lines of poetry that forms one part of a poem or words arranged in the form of poetry Hair : Qarb poetry, verse Hair : poetry to poetize, versify, compose poetry
Olifant,
Your translation of alnoor.se finally gave me a clue about Saad’s grandfather. He is Shaykh Husain al Hilli al Najafi, a holy teacher in Najaf. Together with Syyad al Khoei he was the teacher of famous Iranian Ayatullah Sayyid ‘Ali Sistani.
Finally we can put the al Hilli family into a house of understanding. I now know about why Hashim was a “diplomat” at the age of 23 when he immigrated to the USA for hos education in Ann Arbour airfield. Hashim was born in Najaf due to the immigration documents which fits to his fathers place of work.
The full name of Saad’s grandfather (who was a famous poet, too) is
Shaykh Husain al Hilli al Najafi.
He was the teacher of this not really unknown guy:
http://playandlearn.org/reader.asp?Type=Scholars&fn=101
Now we finally have a family clue and we can search for more family branches other than Hashim and Kazim al Hilli.
So then, when Saad had friends in Iraq, then they were in the team of this guy:
http://www.islam-laws.com/marja/Ayatullahalseestani.htm
When Saad had enemies in Iran or elsewhere, then they were the enemies of Ayatollah al Sistani, too.
Worth reading
There is something regarding the al Hilli history in iraq we didnt know so far
http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2012/12/24/11346/542
More finds on Saad’s grandfather:
Abd al-Husain al-Hilli : al-naqd al-nazih li-risalat al-tanzih, Najaf 1347 H (1928-29), see MMI vol. 2, 227, and TAS I/3, 1069-72. According to the latter, al-Hilli published another refutation of Sayyid Mulısins tanzih with the title Nv4rat al-mazlüm, but under the name “Hasan al-Muzaffar”. This is corroborated by MMI vol. 1, 332 and vol. 2, 226, but the date of publication given there (1345 H/1926-27) does also not agree with that of the tanzih (1928). Anyway it seems to be no sheer coincidence that al-Hill% should have used the name „al-Muzaffar” as a pseudonym (see below p. 33). d)Muhammad Husain al-Muzaffar : al-sha`âir al-husainiya, Baghdad 1348 H (1929-30), Matb. al-Najah (DTS vol. 14, 191 no. 2136, and MMI vol. 3, 154). About the author see TAS I/2, 646f
The teacher of jurists and Mujtahids, the Grand Ayatollah Sheikh Hussein al Hilli (may Allah have mercy on his soul) where he attended his studies in the sciences of religious jurisprudence and the fundamentals of jurisprudence. 4. The late Shia religious authority, the Grand Ayatollah, Al-Sayyid Al-Khoi (may Allah have mercy on his soul), in whose classes of the fundamentals of jurisprudence he attended for two years.
IMPORTANT NEWS:
Is Hashim al Hilli still alive? I never read about his death. He must be 94/95 years old today. A poet today?
Dr. Hazim Al-Hilli (one of the founders of Al-Fiqh College) ,”from the beginning of the foundation of Al-Fiqh College, we adopted taking care of literary talents & scientific festivals since it was founded by the late Sheikh Al-Mudhaffer, Muhammed Teqi Al-Hakeem & some virtuous scholars.By this anniversary we remember the fierce battle of At-Taf
http://www.alnajaf2012.com/en/permalink/3053.html
article in al Noor states Saad “…..was planning to promising projects to his homeland, in this vital area…” So was Saad a patriot hoping to participate in the developing satellite programme of his homeland? Iraq to launch its first satellite before the end of 2013 (http://mawtani.al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/iii/features/2012/09/12/feature-01)
al Noor claims to promote culture and light. Its news stream is factual – a number of al Maliki events mentioned, with seemingly little comment, Swedish prayer times in Malmo mosque given, links to the al Khoei foundation, al Sistani, Iraq national party, various ministries, embassy in Sweden, links to individuals such as Abdul Razak Abdul Wafid etc. Articles oppose terrorism and tragic stories from Palestine. Light and love and hoping to rediscover Baghdad as the centre of Arab culture. Only one recent article on Hexbollah 8/2/03 (maybe the title is Hezbollah and Arab Spring?) – seems critical of combining God and religion and politics. (http://www.alnoor.se/article.asp?id=188581) Previous articles are only dated from 2010. Is this an Arab style secular outlook, not the Iran model, not AQ etc. If Saad supported this line and was preparing to collaborate with an Iraqi satellite programme who might worry? Israel? Iran?
Olifant
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-1574156.html
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1429033
Seems that Iraq is going to launch end of this year. Didnt Saad want to move to Iraq? Did he have a new job there? Was he a key player regarding that satellite? A satellite also being used by Hezbollah? Mossad would not like this to happen, would they?
Can we research whether or not Surrey Satellites are part of the iraqi SAT program?
The best find of the day: Hashim al Hilli is still alive and being an Iraqi poet today. No wonder that his daughter Balsham was a parliament candidate for Najaf. The al Hillis are highly popular there.
As a matter of fact we have learnt today, that Ayatollah al Sistani, Hazim al Hilli and kadhim al Hilli grew up together in Najaf, had the same teacher (their father and al Khoei) and went to the same juridical and religious education school.
We did also learn that Hazim al Hilli is still alive and a poet today. He is founder of the al Fiqh college (two al Fiqh colleges are Shia, the one of them in Najaf.
When Saad needed help in Iraq, then he just had to call Ayatollah al Sistani.
So is the Iraqi satellite a link between Italy and Ben Zygier/Mossad?
Olifant
3 Apr, 2013 – 11:47 am
What is the significance of this little extract (if any)? ” while spending his vacation in France, while survived horrific incident, Karimtah Alaleutan, girl Zainab The girl Accessories.” Who or what is “Karimtah Alaleutan”? Nothing from Google. Do I assume this is a person’s name? In which case who and why mentioned here? Maybe I’ve got it all wrong. Thanks.
Interesting family stuff BB and Olifant and clever research (as always). For dumbos like me, would it be possible to post a simple Al Hilli family tree as currently understood? And are you absolutely sure Kadhim’s brother Hashim is still alive, or have I got that wrong?
“In early August, 2004, Sistani experienced serious health complications related to a previously diagnosed heart condition. He traveled to London to receive medical treatment. It was, reportedly, the first time that Sistani had left Iraq in decades, and may have been due, in part, to growing concerns for his safety from sectarian violence. Though still recovering, Sistani returned later in the month to broker a military truce at the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf where Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr and the Mahdi Army had been cornered by American and Iraqi forces. Sadr, who rose rapidly to prominence through a series of independent military actions beginning in 2004, has since actively challenged Sistani’s more progressive influence over Shia in the region.[6]” WIKIPEDIA
Yes, tim v.
According to the article in that link he was alive in 2011.
http://www.alnajaf2012.com/en/permalink/3053.html
That fits perfectly with him being the founder of al Fiqh college in Najaf where his father Husain al Hilli was the religious jurisdiction teacher of him and of Ali al Sistani in the 1930tees. There are a lot of guys looking as if they are in their 80tees and 90tees in that picture. My strong guess is that he is the guy on the right in the first row with the suit. He should be in his mid 90tees in 2011.
We have confirmed close ties with al Hilli’s father Husain (Saad’s grandfather) being the teacher of Ayatollah Ali al Sistani and the collegue of Sayyid al Khoei. We knew already that al Hillis and al Khoeis were close friends, however, we did never know before about how close and how prominent they were in Iraq and in the Shia community in Iraq, Syria and Iran.
Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr and the Mahdi Army. We discussed this incident way back. al Sadr lead a Shia uprising against the Americans and British. Sistani was regarded by many as an Ally of the Americans (CIA?) SAH went back to Iraq 2003. Sistani comes to London 2004. Goes back and sorts out the impasse. Same school and district of Hashim and Kadhim. All have CIA/MI6 connections? Fits together.
The “Markov Chain”. Everything is related to near events.
So the Euro 800,000 ? Where did that come from ?
Seems like the Al Hilli family had lots of links. Past the “one” event, nothing is linked. But they had influence.
So a “powerful” family….with “income” incoming. How ? What ?
Olifant
I do not know whether or not this was already translated, but this is the al hilli biography of haitham al hilli husseini.
http://www.m.ahewar.org/index.asp?i=5255
I think there could be some more clues here.
Muqtada al-Sadr is of Iraqi and Lebanese ancestry. His great-grandfather is Ismail as-Sadr. Mohammed Sadeq al-Sadr, Muqtada al-Sadr’s father, was a respected figure throughout the Shi’a Islamic world. He was murdered, along with two of his sons, allegedly by the government of Saddam Hussein. Muqtada’s father-in-law was executed by the Iraqi authorities in 1980. Muqtada is a cousin of the disappeared Musa al-Sadr, the Iranian-Lebanese founder of the popular Amal Movement.[7]
2003
Shortly after the U.S.-led coalition ousted Saddam Hussein and his Ba’ath regime, al-Sadr voiced opposition to the Coalition Provisional Authority. He subsequently stated that he had more legitimacy than the Coalition-appointed Iraqi Governing Council.[citation needed] He granted his first major Western television interview to Bob Simon of 60 Minutes, in which al-Sadr famously said “Saddam was the little serpent, but America is the big serpent”.[10]
2009
In response to Israeli attacks on Gaza, al-Sadr called for reprisals against US troops in Iraq: “I call upon the honest Iraqi resistance to carry out revenge operations against the great accomplice of the Zionist enemy.”
2011
On January 5, 2011, Muqtada al-Sadr returned to the Iraqi city of Najaf, in order to take a more proactive and visible role in the new Iraqi government.[28] Three days later, thousands of Iraqis turned out in NAJAF to hear his first speech since his return, in which he called the US, Israel, and the UK “common enemies” against Iraq. His speech was greeted by the crowd chanting “Yes, yes for Muqtada! Yes, yes for the leader!”, whilst waving Iraqi flags and al-Sadr’s pictures. Subsequently, he returned to Iran to continue his studies.[29]
By late 2011, it appeared that the United States would largely withdraw from Iraq, a demand that helped make Sadr a popular leader almost immediately following the invasion. Sadr also controlled the largest bloc of parliament, and had reached a sort of détente with prime minister Nouri al Maliki, who needed Sadrist support to retain his post.[30]
“Friday 7 December 2012 09:05
Code: 117423
Najaf:
Planed bomb blast at Najaf shrine & assassination of Ayatollah Sistani foiled
TNA-ISB
An Iraqi security official has said Iraqi security forces have foiled an attempt to bomb the Holy shrine of the first holy Imam in Islam, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Taleb (Peace be upon him), in the holy city of Najaf,Iraq.
According to the Iraqi security official, gunmen also intended to assassinate prominent Iraqi religious authorities, including Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Al-Sistani.
The Iraqi security official in an interview with Baghdad International News Agency (WAB) said after discovering the plot, Iraqi security forces arrested 30 gunmen, mostly in northern regions of Babil province in central Iraq.
According to the Baghdad International News Agency (WAB), the arrested individuals are implicated in a string of terrorist attacks in Baghdad, Babil province and elsewhere.” http://www.nairaland.com/1126860/terrorist-plot-bomb-imam-ali
” 02 Dec 2012 19:33

An Iraqi counter-terrorism official tells Al Jazeera that security forces have arrested the top al-Qaeda leader in Iraq and seized a list of names and locations of other operatives.
“We’ve spoken to an official in the counter-terrorism unit that actually arrested this man, and they maintain that he is the top al-Qaeda leader in Iraq, but they’re not releasing his name because they say they’re still interrogating him,” said Al Jazeera’s Jane Arraf, reporting from Baghdad.
“But what they do say is that he was arrested in Baghdad after a two-month long investigation tracking him, and that in addition to arresting him, they also seized the names and locations of other al-Qaeda operatives,” said our correspondent.
Samir al-Shuili, spokesman for a counter-terrorism unit confirmed that members of the unit infiltrated the Islamic State of Iraq, an al-Qaeda umbrella group, and that operatives on the list were from other Arab countries and Iraq was seeking the help of those countries in arresting them.
Robert Grenier, the former head of the CIA’s anti-terrorism centre, told Al Jazeera that officials had a good reason to withhold the name of the man they have detained.
“In counter-terrorism operations, as in military operations, the rule of thumb is that the first reports are never correct, so we may see a bit of that at work here,” said Grenier.
“Also, there are indications that along with this individual capture there may have been quite a quantity of other materials providing leads to other militants, perhaps in other countries, and so the people responsible for this may want to keep a lid on it for a bit until they’ve had a chance to follow up on some of those leads with cooperating countries.”
Iraqi media has been reporting that the man in custody is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who was named head of the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella organisation of armed groups, two years ago after the killing of Abu Omar al-Baghdadi in a US air strike in 2010.
“It’s not known whether Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the man who is said to have taken over the al-Qaeda organisation here is actually Iraqi, or, in fact, even exists or is a composite of several people,” said Arraf.” http://www.nairaland.com/1126860/terrorist-plot-bomb-imam-ali
iS “ALQUEDA” just a US invention to cover their own clandestine and highly irregular operations from 9/11 onwards?
I found something!!!!!!!!!!!
Kazim al Hilli was a member of the Supreme Assembly of the Islamic revolution of iraq! He is mentioned in the book “Iraq”. He initiated the Shia uprise after “Desert Storm”.
Saad’s father Kazim!
Unfortunately we can only read an excerpt of that book! We need that book, then we know exactly who Kadhim/Kazim really was.
I expected him to be more than a chicken farmer. He was even more prominent than his brother Hazim!
Read!
He was Grand Assambly member of SAIRI !!
http://books.google.com/books?id=RIB5qT9sGnwC&pg=PA231&lpg=PA230&ots=IUeeWexYvW&dq=baqir+al+hilli&hl=de&output=html_text
I hope that this link works but i cannot take a copy/paste from the google book picture.
If we read that book, then we can perhaps solve the crime.
You must go to page 230 (one previous than page 231) in my google book link above to find Kazim al Hilli (Saad’s father).
He was one of the 15 leaders of SAIRI:
This is SAIRI
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/crs-iraq-op.htm
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2003/Apr-2003/iraq_shia_15403.htm
WOW!
I expected a lot regarding Saad’s father bit i did not expect that much. Why did media and family never tell us?
A poultry farmer … Oh yeahh … L o L
More of SAIRI (alsi called SCIRI) Assembly where Kadhim al Hilli was in the 15 people leaders assembly.
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2003/May-2003/sairi_leadership_5503.htm
http://middleeast.about.com/od/ira1/g/sciri-definition.htm
Quotes:
Despite Badr’s murderous record, the UK allows its political arm, SCIRI, to have offices and fundraise in the UK. Badr is the terrorist wing of SCIRI. Badr should be proscribed as a terrorist organisation.
The Badr Corps is a terrorist organisation and uses terrorist methods against political, religious, sexual and ethnic dissidents. It is behind much of the sectarian violence in Iraq today, including suicide bombings, kidnappings and the assassination of Sunnis, moderate Shia, trade unionists, women’s rights activists, gay people and secularists.
…. they will be arrested, disappear and eventually be found dead. The bodies are usually discovered with their hands bound behind their back, blindfolds over their eyes, and bullet wounds to the back of the head.
Today was a successful day of research.
Today we learnt and approved that Hazim al Hilli was still alive in 2011 and that he is a poet now, we know that Kazim al Hilli (Saad’s father) was in the General Assembly of the Iraqi Revolution after Desert Storm (SAIRI or SCIRI) and that he was therefore one of the highest leaders in Iraqi anti Saddam politics and that Saad’s grandfather was the famous scholar Ayatollah Shaikh Husain al Hilli as Najafi who was the teacher of Ayatollah Ali al Sistani and a collegue of Ayatollah Sayyid al Khoei in Najaf.
Those who did fund the anti Saddam Shia civil war in 1991 did also fund Kadhim and his Geneva Swiss account. This was quite definitely not Saddam. Who did fund Sairi/Sciri in 1991?
Iran? Yes.
USA? Yes!
Israel? Probably.
Mobsters? Possible.
What was that Swiss money originally planned to use for? Weapons? Terror attacks? Assassinations?
More on SCIRI:
SCIRI also has accredited representatives in Canada, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Australia. (note: those are exactly the same countries where we can find the al Hilli family members!).
“We have offices in Syria, Geneva, Paris”.
http://www.meforum.org/meib/articles/0310_iraqd.htm
http://www.meforum.org/meib/articles/0305_irani.htm
Note once again: Kazim al Hilli was in the general assembly of SCIRI one of the highest ranked anti-Saddam Iraqi politicians.
@ bluebird 4 Apr, 2013 – 2:33 am
That’s amazing research you and others have done. It’s beyond me to keep track of it all what with the variations in spelling names.
Something much simpler. At MZT Lars mentioned the trial of David John Abiodun, the Nigerian, was set for March/April, so we should hear about that soon.
NR
At least now we definitely know what Saad’s father was doing. He was kept a secret by the media and by the family. Now we know about who he was and what he had done and how important he was in Iraqi politics. And we learnt that Saad’s grandfather was even more important in Iraqi and Shia history.
Know the enemies of Ayatollah al Sistani and you know the enemies of the al Hilli family, too!
What if …
What if Kazim al Hilli was a trustee of SCIRI money. What if all the money was never his own money but did belong to the organisation?
What if the inheritance dispute wasnt between Zaid and Saad but between Saad and the organisation? I dont think that 800k are reason enough for an assassination. Saad must have taken over more accounts and more money from his father’s trust.
However, we arent talking about Saddam money but about SCIRI money.
A money dispute between Sadrists and al Sistani? A money dispute between Iran and Iraq? A dispute about who owns all that money Kazim did control as a trustee?
I don’t doubt you for a moment Bluebird
4 Apr, 2013 – 12:45 am but how are you sure Zazim = our Kadhim?
Kazim*