The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
https://mobile.twitter.com/SiibillamLaw
Basil Baradaran on twitter:
“My father is Iranian”
Coincidence, of course. MSM (media) probably thought that to be irrelevant.
This is his full name:
Basil-William Shahrokh Baradaran-Mozaffari
This is the closest what i came to a possible father by now.
http://www.boatinfoworld.com/registration.asp?vn=365168
https://pipl.com/search/?q=Shahrokh+Baradaran&l=IR&sloc=IR%7CNone%7CNone&fage=&savef=1&in=46
“Half-French Ms Loyau-Kennett, who has lived in Helston for five years and hopes to find work as a translator for a humanitarian organisation, had actually been returning home after a visit to the capital to see her children, Basil and Pawony Baradaran, when the drama unfolded.”
“Ms Loyau-Kennett, from Bulwark Road, spared no thought for her own safety when she jumped from a bus in Woolwich, London to offer her help to what she believed initially was the victim of a road accident lying prone on the road.”
At no stage, though, did she believe her life was in danger.
“I didn’t think he wanted to kill or hurt a nice lady who was happy to talk to him. I never really felt frightened about that.”
And she agreed: “It’s nice to be recognised for what you have done.”
“Half-French Ms Loyau-Kennett, who has lived in Helston for five years and hopes to find work as a translator for a humanitarian organisation, had actually been returning home after a visit to the capital to see her children, Basil and Pawony Baradaran, when the drama unfolded.”
“After reasoning with the man at the scene, the former cub scout and brownie leader, who suffers from debilitating fibromyalgia, got back on the bus as she had to catch a train back to Cornwall.”
“It quickly became clear the man was in fact the victim of a sickening crime and the 48-year-old found herself trying to reason with an alleged killer, in an effort to focus his attention away from others in the area, including many young children.”
http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/cornwall_news/10449956.Hero_Helston_mum_tells_of_Woolwich_terror_attack_confrontation__INTERVIEW/
“Shahrokh”
Now that’s interesting.
Ah, no “Shahroudi” was what I was thinking of.
Abbas Baradaran Shahroudi computer dude from Auckland.
Bought a jet fighter her did…and stuffed it !
Came from Iran 23 years ago (2009).
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/1390882/Fighter-jet-jockey-won-t-be-grounded
I note the children went to good schools in Auckland
Must have costs a penny or two.
I wonder why the daughter never got her mum a car to take her to the station ! (see overleaf).
The other thing is… it couldn’t be “my chap” as it was reported that “he” went back to France….not remained in NZ.
You have to wonder if a political appointee who’s supposed to be watching over a national security intelligence service had any influence over that agency’s decision not to share vital information with law enforcement which could have stopped a double agent from continuing to leak secrets to the Russians. It took a foreign country’s intervention to put an end to it and get the double agent arrested.
Could something like this explain the very confusing handling of the al-Hilli investigation in France?
It appears Ms Loyau-Kennett was travelling not from France to London (although that may have been the greater journey) but from Greenwich to Paddington to catch the train to Plymouth, from where ITV intercepted her and brought her back to London for a TV interview. The report says she got back on the bus and continued her journey which seems a bit strange. How long was the bus held up and the road blocked? What of the driver and other passengers? More importantly why have we NOT heard from eye witnesses who could clarify precisely how and where the victim was struck by the car as it appears to have collided violently with a road sign post? It would appear despite all the disruption and excitement, she didn’t return to her children, as one perhaps might have been expected, and even managed to catch the train. Was it the one she wanted or a later one? She may well be the innocent hero as portrayed, but what are the chances of a bus on which she was travelling arriving immediately after the murder, that the murderer would approach the bus, that the bus driver would not secure the door and would allow his passenger to get off, that her unidentified friend would urge her to go meet him, that she would engage him in conversation, that he would show no further evidence of violence to her or anyone else, that afterwards she would calmly get back on the bus, that the bus would resume its journey, and she hers to Plymouth, apparently still managing to catch the train, not delayed by a lock-down or police interview? Not to mention her Swedish (?), French, English, New Zealand and now Iranian connections. “I was pleased to do it for Queen and Country” she was quoted as saying.
I have just read another report in today’s Cornishman newspaper and feel obliged to correct factual errors in the assumptions I made above based on it. In this one Ms Loyau-Kennett states she got off the bus to tend to the injured man on the ground. She does not describe his injuries, whether she assessed him to be alive or dead, or the specific action she took. She say she looked up and a man with knives and a gun stood over her. She then engaged him in conversation, presumably having given up all hope for the victim. After the conversation of “ten minutes” described above they must have parted, she returning to the bus and it setting off just before the police arrived and shots were heard. Apparently there was panic and screaming on the bus and she took a leading role in calming everyone down. (“The passengers started to scream but I told everyone to calm down and that it was all over.”) She makes no mention of being interviewed or delayed by police at that stage. In other words it seems as if she departed the injured party, the attacker and the scene prior to the arrival of police and the bus just continued its journey to Victoria (not Paddington as I surmised above). I thought I ought to make the corrections as soon as I have become aware of them should it be thought I was being unfair to this resourceful lady. I apologise if the scepticism engendered by previous events led me to question the genuineness of her actions.
James
Shahrokh, Sharoukh, Shahrukh and Shahroudi is the same name.
I found a Melanie Kennett of her age being married with a Baradaran, but there is no Ingrid Kennett in any files at all. I am not sure whether or not “Ingrid” is just an adopted artificial actors name.
http://pure.au.dk/portal/en/persons/mehdi-mozaffari(e736c2ae-805f-46a0-9c9b-03d92f9b956e)/cv.html?id=41901030
http://word.world-citizenship.org/wp-archive/391
The Iranian part of her family (due to facebook) seems to be related to this guy living in Denmark (see link above). He’s an interesting guy.
Prof univ. Mehdi Mozaffari said … (from second link above)
He said: “Despotism in its various forms (tribal, military, religious, and kingship) is the general and invariable trend of the Middle East. Faced with this hopless and dangerous situation, a liberal external intervention seems to be right and just. It is in this perspective that President George W. Bush’s initiative to the democratization of the greater Middle East must be situated”.
Now, THAT is an interesting family, isnt it?
Given that background of Mehdi Mozaffari, I am not too surprised when Mrs. Kennett immediately started a political and religious discussion with the “terrorists” in the streets of Woolwich….
James
http://www.business.govt.nz/company-search/companydetails/445228
http://www.gamma.co.nz/aboutus/
He is an interesting fella…and never a mention in Zee Press !
AND also a “HOLD ON A MINUTE” moment…
Tim quoted the news by saying “from Greenwich to Paddington to catch the train to Plymouth” which is the accepted story
Now in an other report given by the son (not The Sun !) he said that his mother “arrived” and told him the story.
“I was meeting her at the train station when she walked up and started telling me had happened”.
“My first thought was for her safety but I could see she was completely intact. I couldn’t believe what she was telling me.
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Cameron-praises-Helston-heroine-confronted/story-19069518-detail/story.html
So… is it that after the incident had taken place Ingrid continued on to meet her son “at the train station”, then went on to celebrate his birthday party, then left…bus and train again…all the way back to Plymouth. The program “Day Break” tracked her down and reached her at that moment…and paid for a cab back to London ?
“Ingrid Loyau-Kennett, formerly of Grundisburgh”
MOD Woodbridge (an RAF/USAF runway) is nearby Grundisburgh.
That area has quite a few airfields dotted about from “back in the day”
And nearby that is Rock Barracks.
http://www.choosewoodbridge.co.uk/events/rock-barracks-23-engineer-regiment-parade-through-woodbridge/
And although the Woodbridge isn’t used anymore, The Army Air Corps out of Wattisham do use it for training (Apache Longbow helicopter).
All very topical !
Here’s an even stranger thing.
Grundisburgh is near Rock Barracks.
Rock Barracks is the home of 23 Engineer Regiment (Air Assault).
The ONLY regiment of it’s like in France is the “17e Régiment de Génie Parachutiste”
They are based in Montauban. Which is near Toulouse in France.
Both regiments train together.
http://www.coastalscene24.co.uk/news/gallery_troops_from_rock_barracks_23_engineer_regiment_air_assault_put_their_skills_to_the_test_1_1711561
NOW….
In 2012 a Jihadist known as Merah had killed twelve French citizens with a rifle, including members of the military, in Toulouse and Montauban !
On Thursday, 15 March, at around 14:00, two uniformed soldiers were killed and a third was seriously injured outside a shopping centre in Montauban, around 50 km north of Toulouse, while withdrawing money from a cash machine. They were all from the 17th Parachute Engineer Regiment (17e régiment du génie parachutiste), whose barracks are close to the town.
That’s strange !
Helston Cornwall does not have a railway station. There is a National Express once a day. So most likely she went cheapest option from Victoria (Bus) Station which stops at Plymouth for driver-break. She probably spoke to her son when her journey was delayed on her return to TV interview and then had to take train/bus option as only alternative by then.
Shelterbox is a Lizard-based humanitarian charity which sends aid to war-torn/disaster areas on helicopters.
Interesting and very co-incidental James. Well researched.
Also the travel arrangements are puzzling. If the son met her at the station, it couldn’t have been before the events (obviously) as they hadn’t yet occurred. So it could only be when she arrived at Victoria on her way to Plymouth and Cornwall. Now you can get to Plymouth from Victoria but as far as I am aware it involves a change at Exeter St Davids and is not first choice as trains less frequent if I remember rightly. Did her “friend” on the bus accompany her some of the way on the train? He couldn’t have been referring to her return journey from Plymouth as apparently she was driven back by Taxi paid for by ITV. So we have the rather strange circumstance that having we believe visited her children in Greenwich, her son meets her at Victoria before she departs. As I suggested earlier, we might even have expected her to remain in London given the traumatic highly publicised event. Unfortunately, journalists never seem to pose these explanatory questions, we observers just have to surmise (and get it wrong?)
Here is the Wednesday train timetable.
14:34 London Victoria [VIC]
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16:31 London Victoria [VIC]
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If the attack happened at 2.20 and the bus arrived just after, and she spent shall we say 20 minutes at least at the scene but just before the police arrived she was back on a moving bus, and say half an hour to get to Victoria, she couldnt have got a train before say 3.30pm. One leaving at 15.34 or more likely 16 31 getting into Exeter at 18.33 and 19.30 respectively. There is then the connection with the Plymouth train at Exeter St Davids and a further journey time of about an hour. This makes it about 8 or 9 at Plymouth. Then a taxi journey back say 4 hrs. So ITV presumably put her up in a hotel for the night, arriving between 11 and 1 am depending on trains and journey time. I’m not sure if this has any significance other than the question why she went from Victoria in preference to Paddington apparently and why her son, if he met her at the station, saw her off, the only possible time this could have happened, in which case it doesn’t quite mesh with his his remark (quoted by James above) that
“his mother “arrived” and told him the story.“I was meeting her at the train station when she walked up and started telling me had happened”.
I suppose someone can arrive at a station to depart on a journey but it is much more to meet someone “arrive” at the destination I would have thought? Oh well there may be a perfectly logical explanation to those in the know.
The mirror reports: “Detective Chief Inspector Grant Mallon, from Scotland Yard’s Counter-Terrorism Command, said he was hit by a car in Artillery Place before being attacked by two men armed with a cleaver and a knife.”
“They then dragged his lifeless body into the middle of the road, and encouraged passers-by to look at what they had done, he said.”
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The car ended up ramming the sign post with considerable force it appears so it is unlikely the assailants could have got out until after it had come to rest and they would have been subject to the impact themselves.
I can’t find a picture showing air bags, but if fitted they must have gone off surely. The windscreen is clearly badly damaged which could have resulted from impact or persons inside or out.
How the car got there is not all that clear as it would not be terribly easy given the railings and bollards. There are no tyre marks indicating emergency breaking or where it mounted the pavement as far as I can see. The intention to ram at speed seems indicated. The Mail states that the unfortunate Mr Rigby was crushed between car and post from where he was extracted by the two who then attacked him with knives and dragged his body across the road.
In this image
http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/91.jpg
we can see Mrs Loyau-Kennett standing next to the blurred image of the victim.
So the story seems to have been reported with slightly different facts being presented. Of course this may just be a mix up in the reporters behalf.
It maybe that after the incident Ingrid went to her sons party in London…after which she departed for home…in Cornwall.
Does that sound right to you ?
And Ingrid’s grandfather has left her with a love of living close to “operational” military helicopter bases !
MOD/RAF/AAC Woodbridge (Grundisburgh) and RNAS Culdrose (Helston).
That’s got to be a fluke ?
Bit of a flash-back. I thought I would share this little quote i came across
“Antony Loewenstein has exposed the extraordinary silence from the Jewish Community (including Ben Zygier’s family), the Zionist Lobby and politicians over the Ben Zygier affair. Writing in the excellent, middle of the road, Australian web magazine New Matilda Loewenstein says: “”New Matilda spoke to a former senior Australian ambassador who says that ASIO and ASIS work hand in glove with the Israeli government, including the assistance of grooming potential spies on Australian soil at universities such as Monash in Melbourne and military academies like Duntroon. Australia long ago outsourced much of its military and intelligence, as well as foreign affairs sovereignty, to Israel and America. “There’s little we [Australia] would not do to please them”, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34239.htm
We all believe in fighting “terrorism”. The uncomfortable truth is though that it is States (including Western ones) that are the perpetrators of such both openly and covertly.
James
What do we know about Ingrid’s father?
He is a missing link. I strongly doubt that Ingrid is Ingrid. Perhaps she is Melanie. There are too many names used for one person only. She does not seem to exist as Ingrid. And also, why do her children have Persian names when their father was French?
“Shahrukh” means “King of the Rooks” and it is still given to the children of the nobility of the medieval powerful Timurid dynasty. This name is a “nobility extra bonus” and it has nothing to do with the name of their father, I have learnt now.
Meanwhile (perhaps off topic) the Turkish Spring has started.
http://occupygezipics.tumblr.com/
Official Turkish media arent allowed to report the truth.
James
This is for you. A pal? LoL
http://m.vk.com/id173867237?act=info
I saw that while i was searching Swedish links for Kennett. However, i have no idea whether or not he is related. Probably that is just funny coincidence.I just thought that it would be funny to mention him for you.
Any opinions on the fellow walking AWAY from the scene appearing to be talking on a mobile and carrying something?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/01/michael-adebolajo-charged-with-murder_n_3372199.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cukt4%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D183801#slide=2485028
I have tried to enlarge him as much as possible. Perhaps others can do better. From what I can he appears to be wearing a cap of some description, has bushy sideburns and moustache, is wearing vaguely military-type clothes including what appear combat-type footwear. His right arm is raised to his ear as if speaking on a mobile phone and with his other hand/arm by his side he is carrying something although I can’t work out what. Despite the crowd congregating and straining to see the events unfold, he is walking away in the opposite direction. That seems rather strange to me. Who is he? What was he doing there? Why so disinterested in what is happening despite appearing a military type?
HOT OFF THE PRESS!
Hello! Hello! What’s this??????????
“The savagery of the killing has led many to believe that it was the work of an assassin settling scores that may originally have arisen in war-torn Iraq. In graphic testimony, a witness who arrived on the scene, hiker Philippe Bossy, tells the programme how he saw Mr Hilli with a hole “as big as a two Euro coin” in his head.”
Yup “BOSSY” folks! I assume this is our Philippe Didierjean as he is the only hiker we have heard of who saw the body. So what is all this about? No explanation. You will notice it is the MI6-well-connected-Telegraph that just allows this tid bit to escape. More intended embarrassment for the French hot on the heels of the vehicle and earlier contradicting it was WBM who made the first call?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10093647/Alps-murders-prosecutors-reveal-fresh-details-of-inheritance-war.html
tHIS IS ALSO A NEW SLANT AS FAR AS i AM AWARE. We have never heard before that Bossy (Didierjean?) suspected Martin and tried to attack him!!!!!!!!!!! So when did that happen precisely and why in view of this, which presumably he told the police, they
1. Said nothing about it until now
2. In spite of it still immediately put it out that WBM was effectively above suspicion and was the hero of the hour
3. Clearly lied regarding the name of Didierjean (if the Telegraph report is accurate)
Yet despite this revelation no comment/correction/explanation from the French!
In the same article there is French criticism (via the Swiss Prosecutor who is quoted) that they were not able to arrest SAH’s brother Zaid, and had difficulty interviewing him. Also the opinion that there interview of the two children was obstructed by social workers who intervened every time they cried!
This is quite extraordinary.
“The programme also hears claims that the different working practices of continental prosecutors and British police had complicated matters: “If Zaid Al Hilli was living in France he would have been interrogated and probably taken into custody because that’s a technique we use, whatever one may think of it,” said Mr Maillaud. “In the UK it’s more tricky.”
The Swiss prosecutor, Mr Zanni, also hinted that British social services were being overprotective of the child witnesses to the murder, saying that social workers would halt police interviews whenever either child cried. He said the investigation was being slowed as a result, and that in the interests of catching the killers, the French and Swiss authorities would have preferred a more robust approach.
However, Mr Zanni also defends the French police, who were criticised for failing to spot for several hours that Mr Hilli’s daughter, Zeena, had been left alive at the crime scene under her mother’s skirts.” Telegraph as above.
BlueBird
Q. “What do we know about Ingrid’s father?”
Nothing. I have tried. Got nothing. I think it would be of interest to find something.
Q. “Shahrukh” means “King of the Rooks”
And “Loyau” …if you add “te” in French means “loyalty”
Q. This is for you. A pal? LoL
Ya cheeky scally !
He’s not got four bars, a clean white shirt….and he’s not reading a newspaper with his feet up enjoying a coffee. No way could that be me !!!
To you a “Q”….
Q1 Drummer Rigby has “slipped from the “headlines” and replaced by more mentions of Ingrid Loyau-Kennett.
Why is that ? A terrible event replaced by a hero.
Q2. What is it with living nearby helicopter bases that is so liked by this person. And they are big moves…! From one side of the country to another.
Q3 Loyau-Kennett. Half French it is said. Father or mother ? Loyau (French) Kennett (English)….married an Iranian.
Why no mention in the “press” of the marriage ? There was plenty about the “cub leader”, the “teacher”, “NZ”, “France”….even “the great grandfather and grandfather get a mention….and her “Union Jack socks” and “single parent”, but nothing about “the charity” she works for OR her Iranian “ex”.
Is this a “fed story” ?
Funny that !
“hiker Philippe Bossy”
Oh this has to be an “oops” moment ! It has to be !
A “false Flag” or a “real” “Oops…did we just print that !!!!” !!!
…then “back to the feud”.
well done Tim. Good research for “us” that don’t have UK papers on tap (or forget to look !)
And I note this is “outside” France. Zanni is Swiss.
So “No French Laws Apply” to what I am saying. He couldn’t “quote” Eric could he !
“The hiker, Mr Bossy also tells how he was alerted to the killing by another passer-by, British cyclist Brett Martin”.
PURE GOLD !
How the f*ck can the French say they didn’t “mislead” now !