The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Meanwhile back into Iraq. Note the sentence that Iraqi intelligence was working together with European intelligence already for many months, in order to investigate that plot.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/06/01/Iraq-says-Qaeda-poison-gas-cell-busted-in-Baghdad-.html
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/it-appears-al-cia-duh-is-now-producing-sarin-on-a-worldwide-basis-presumably-to-blame-it-on-assad-ahmadinejad-the-russians-the-chinese-or-some-other-shit-equally-insulting-to-the-intelligence/
Quote
The group of five people built two facilities to produce sarin and mustard gas, using instructions from another Al-Qaeda group, spokesman Mohammed al-Askari told a news conference.The members of the cell were prepared to launch attacks domestically, and also had a network to smuggle the toxins to neighboring countries, and also to Europe and North America, Askari said.The arrest of the cell members was possible because of cooperation between Iraqi and foreign intelligence services, he added.
We have 3 Phillippe Bossy characters coming into mind:
One is a real estate agent from Chambery. Probably he is the most likely one.
The other one is from Marseille and he is a manager at Eurocopter (aviation industry).
The third one is a Swiss lawyer.
Bossy # 1: http://immopartner-annecy.com/contact.php
Bossy # 2: http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1823754048&targetid=profile
Bossy # 3: http://pview.findlaw.com/view/4657098_1
The 3 Phillippe Bossy characters. Coincidentally and funny enough, all three of them would fit for a possible meeting with Saad, due to what we know about Saad.
http://copainsdavant.com/p/philippe-bossy-13420410
Either a fourth one or this is the Eurocopter guy. Impressive military career …
http://copainsdavant.com/p/philippe-bossy-5047040
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/local/108171683937692038255/about?source=apppromo
http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/profile.php?id=588034
The Philippe Bossy/Didierjean issue raises a number of logical questions:
1. Are they in fact the same person or different people?
2. If the former, which is the reliable one?
3. If “Philippe Bossy” is the true appellation, why did the French lie?
4. If the latter it means we have another person on scene never previously revealed.
5. Bossy is referred to as a “hiker”. No mention of car you notice or two female friends for that matter, although silence cannot be definitive.
6. “Alerted by another passer by” is strangely worded. “Another passer by” gives a very different impression to a frantic cyclist meeting a car head on several hundred yards from the scene doesn’t it? Rather it suggest both passed by before meeting in my mind – a very different scenario.
7. Then for the first time we have the suggestion that “Bossy” immediately suspected Martin to be the killer but physically attacked him or got close to it. How would that fit the previous story, as it was said they met before Didierjean could have got an impression of what had happened at that stage an it is inconceivable that by the time they had returned Didierjean/Bossy would have considered attacking Martin surely?
8. So is the Didierjean story a COMPLETE FABRICATION or is it still substantially correct, but just a different name/alias? Or do we have a completely different character on scene not previously mentioned.
9. Given the parlous shambolic nature of the French investigation so far, this is another nail in the coffin of Gendarme competence. Even so, they should be asked by the media asap what the ell is going on?
Now as to that Woolwich photograph referred to above I would really appreciate some views on the character right in the centre walking away from the scene in stark contrast to everyone else. He appears to be speaking into his right wrist. Maybe there’s a mobile in his hand but I can’t see it. (SS agents seldom use mobiles – rather cuff microphones as I’m sure everyone knows)
The next question is “What is he carrying in his left hand?” I’ve tried to work it out but failed miserably. It appears a tube-like structure I guess about 3 feet long. I have considered skateboard or one of those little aluminium scooters but neither seem to fit. Any ideas (James?)
It appears he is wearing a cap with wide brim casting a shadow over his face and his clothes – especially his footwear – which linked to his facial hair, have a commando look about them.
Can we between us, pin this one down? Again shades of Boston?
Finally for this morning, about a week ago, Marlin requested some discussion on the topic of the likelihood that WBM being the killer which I did at some length. Sadly he hasn’t been in since and so has not replied to the topic he launched. So there was no feedback from him or anyone else. Shame particularly in the light of the latest revelation purportedly from the new “MR BOSSY”!
Oh and reference to Ingrid, something I meant to point out and overlooked, whether significant or not I’ll leave you to judge. She is quoted as saying she got off the bus to tend the injured Rigby lying in the road and applied her first aid skills, quickly deciding he had no pulse and was beyond help. Even so my instinct in such a situation would be to remain with the injured party. However I can find no photo shots of her tending Rigby, rather she appears to be “standing around” before captured talking to one of the attackers and then getting back on the bus and leaving.
There is something of a parallel with WBM here – cursory examination before deciding to leave the injured party to their fate and then subsequently being treated by the press as hero of the hour to the exclusion of everyone else involved.
Then I have a question in relation to the bus which was allowed to leave the scene in contrast to the large white lorry coming in the opposite direction which hasn’t been moved hours later. Why was the lorry not allowed to move away whilst the bus and its multiple witnesses, was?
Tim
Could you kindly provide a direct link for that “woolwich photo”?
When i click your huffington link then i only see an article (text) plus a slide show of approx. 30 photos. What photo to look for?
As for WBM and mrs. Kennett:
Well, even a baby knows that they arent private.
In all of these images of Ingrid Loyau-Kennett she can be seen standing rather passively in the vicinity. None show her tending the injured party, unlike others apparently. Of course this does not mean she didn’t do so at an earlier point in time.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02571/woolwich-murder_2571888b.jpg
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1905251.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/woolwich-1905251.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/5/24/1369391311502/Scenes-from-Woolwich-011.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/5/22/1369255084135/Woolwich-attack-suspect-o-010.jpg
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1908759.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/TEASER-ONLY–Woolwich-murder-video-1908759.jpg
Bluebird
2 Jun, 2013 – 1:40 pm yea I thought that initially but just be patient. It has to go through stages until it brings up the actual picture. I haven’t seen it anywhere else other that reference or I would have posted a more direct link sorry. Try again and just let it load First the site, then highlights the particular shot at the bottom then the picture appears which if you download you can enlarge with yur computer software. Good luck. Its really worth doing. He looks pretty “iffy” to me.
Ha! That’s interesting! SPOOK ALERT!
Since posting my query about this picture, I have just tried to access it again, following yours BB. I now find the article and photos have been MINIATURISED! You can still access it and enlarge using “Ctrl+” but can no longer copy to computer. When I tried it just moved on to the next image!!!!! So now it’s much more difficult to see and impossible to copy! I have never experienced this before. Evidence I hit on something? Perhaps there is an alternative route to it via AP? but don’t tell anyone or this will be blocked too! Seems I hit a BULLSEYE! Nice to know that despite a decline in contributors, we have some interesting followers?
“@Yusuf_Kayalar scene in Woolwich, south London where a man was killed and two others were taken to hospital with gunshot wounds following a “serious incident” understood to have involved a serving soldier. PRESS ASSOCIATION Photo. Issue date: Wednesday May 22, 2013. “
Perhaps I spoke too soon. Have just got it on this –
http://labs.huffingtonpost.com/highlights/quote/9187118/
It is photo number 100 there.
Be quick before it “downsizes”.
@Tim V 2 Jun, 2013 – 12:33 pm
Remember way back when, when we were pouring over every detail of the WBM TV interview there was a photo of him with a briefcase and a strange looking right arm? Was he forcibly restrained and injured?
More to the point of that, why did he not mention it, instead of mumbling on about trying to get his message across in broken French?
If the DT is right, do we not now have incontovertible proof, as if more was needed, of the fact that the Tuerie de Chevaline is being stage managed for some ulterior motive?
Tim
I watched the picture. It must have been taken several hours past that event. Coincidence and rather funny, but that guy looks like a cover copy of Mrs. Kennett’s Iranian son’s facebook page photo.
Whether scripted, deliberately or coincidentally, in all Conspiracy-discussed events since sept. 2012, there is one HERO created. I dont know why and I dont know whether this is just MSM (media) creating such a hero or whether they were previously told by law enforcement people that they were heroes.
Whether coincidence or not, the investigations in conspiracy forums always debunked such hero theories and we were always able to link those “heroes” to government agencies and intelligence.
HEROES:
Chevaline: William Martin
Sandy Hook: The old guy who did care for the children whom he received by the bus driver.
Boston: The cowboy hat guy who was significantly organising the scene by pointing with fingers and by waiving a flag but who does not appear in any kind of first aid photos at the scene except for … you know that photo.
Woolwich: Mrs Ingrid (Melanie) Loyau-Kennett-Baradaran-Mozaffari … whoever was it who gave her that many names.
Somehow offtopic (not), but does not surprise us. One wonders whether or not we shall know the truth.
There were lies and falsifications in the al Hilli MSM reports, too. We have proof. So then, why should they ever tell us the truth? Never!
Hide names and documents simply because the truth could hurt some of the rich ones.
So then, Bossy was an overnight hiker. Yes, of course. Was it the Eurocopter Bossy? At least he would have had some kind of business reason meeting with Saad. We shall never know. MSM are obviously too stupid asking the right questions.
No questions regarding Bossy, no questions regarding Ingrid’s Iranian ties. However, they are HEROES! Listen: HEROES! MSM says so. So then, hear and believe to the ministry of truth.
http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/profile.php?id=588034
The proposal is in a bill privately crafted by Gov. Dannel P. Malloy’s office, the state’s top prosecutor and legislative leaders. It would allow authorities to withhold from the public photographs, videos, 911 call recordings and other records depicting the physical condition of any victim of the Dec. 14 shootings, unless the family gives written permission. The legislation would bar the release of emergency responders’ audio transmissions but allow the public to view transcripts of the recordings at a cost of 50 cents a page. The bill also would limit disclosure of the death certificates of the 20 first-graders and six educators killed in the attack to immediate family members only.
Media groups and advocates of public records laws worry the bill, which is pending, would set a bad precedent by exempting specific incidents from FOI laws. They say it would encourage other crime victims to ask the state to limit disclosure of records now routinely released to the public, and it appears to make the Newtown killings more important than the dozens of other killings in Connecticut each year.
If you hide away documents from the public, then the public has no way of knowing whether police … have done their jobs correctly,” said Sonny Albarado, city editor at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette and board president of the Society of Professional Journalists, a free press advocacy group based in Indianapolis.”It sets a tone where it makes it easier to hide other things, and the public suffers, in my view,” Albarado said. “Obviously, the mass murder of 26 people is a very horrific crime. But 26 people die regularly in most large towns within a few weeks or within a few months and we don’t express the same kind of horror and we don’t afford those victims or the perpetrators any kind of anonymity.”
“I’ve seen a gradual sea change … toward more people asking questions about why should the public have access to information instead of why shouldn’t they,” Murphy said. “We forget why we have these laws. Any record created by government belongs to the people.”
Could we have some discussion on the guy walking away from the scene please. OK I have trawled through the AP search facility. No sign of said photo there!
It is taken I believe, looking South down John Wilson Street towards the junction of Wellington St. to the left and Artillery Place to the right. The events and eventual confrontation with the killers took place to the right, hence the direction of gaze of the by-standers. Things must still be happening or the crowd would have dispersed.
The fact that this ONE individual is walking away carrying something in his left hand and appears to be speaking into his right hand cuff, plus his cap and clothing, particularly his boots, is highly suggestive of a military role. Now it seems its not on the AP search engine! Suggest you take a copy before it disappears altogether.
James, as our military expert, I thought you might have an opinion as to what was his likely nation/service from the clothing clues?
Here’s a direct link to the AP photo. You will see in the left hand corner the helicopter is still there so clearly it was taken immediately prior to the two injured men being airlifted to hospital. In other words after the crisis became safe but before they were removed.
http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/ay_110539595.jpg?w=650&h=487&crop=1
Tim
The photo isnt showing military guys.
This guy has a beard. He looks as being of Arab, Afghan or at least Middle Eastern origin, in his early 20tees.
He assumingly talks with his mobile phone. I cannot verify the thing he is holding in his right hand. I am sure that in areas like Greenwich, Woolwich, Croydon we can see a lot guys dressed like that. When i am walking and passing the known drug-exchange spots in my city, i can see a lot of guys being dressed exactly like him and looking like him. They are neither police nor military. These guys would run when police appears at the scene. Because that is probably the reason why he is leaving and calling.
Honestly, i dont think him to be suspicious as part of that event. If i were police, then i would probably search him for drugs.
Tim
It looks like a grey ladies high heel shoe, however, a rational conclusion would tell me that it is a small bag with the size of a book perhaps.
Maybe there is a missing link given all the recent events.
The mastermind center of these events was Dubai.
The final possible link and the “WOW” gave me a name of a boyfriend of Bella Tsarnaeva, the sister of the alleged Boston bombers. I could be wrong, but many things are making sense now.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawood_Ibrahim
http://post.jagran.com/Dawood-Ibrahims-alleged-aide-Khalil-Ahmed-granted-bail-1340463939
http://realityviews.blogspot.com/2011/05/iqbal-kaskar-brother-of-underworld-don.html?m=1
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/feb/090212-Uncle-Dawood-tag-clips-kids-wings.htm
There are quite some astonishing things happening.
In case you had never heard of this guy and his connections: Worth reading the links!
Of course, mafia cannot do such things if they werent working closely with western intelligence. There is some background info.
From MZT
froggy
6-2-2013 at 18:37:55hiker in french is : randonneur
if u write philippe bossy randonneur in google u will find a link to a pdf
http://sitealep.e-monsite.com/medias/files/2013-programme-rando-ete-1-1.pdf
Lars
6-2-2013 at 22:10:59@Froggy
Thanks! Since he is going to hike on the 7 July in Les Bauges he seems to be the right guy. Perhaps we should join him. This Philippe Bossy lives in Crachier, AGENCEMENT DÉCORATION, POSE MOBILIER MENUISERIE
Don’t follow you on that one Bluebird
3 Jun, 2013 – 12:39 am. Those are definitely NOT trainers he is wearing. Looks more like this to me:-
http://www.military1st.co.uk/12022-019-5.11-taclite-8-side-zip-boots-black.html
And what he is carrying on our right/his left looks nothing like a bag to me though for the life of me, I can’t think what it might be.
I would pose the question why would he be walking away when the helicopter was still to take off, virtually the only one to be doing so. You do not walk with a right arm/hand next to your face without a reason, the most likely a mobile phone. We cannot see one but it could be hidden by the hand.
I don’t agree that that clothes is typical skate-boarder wear or the cap which is more commonly reversed if worn. The peak in this case is forward casting a shadow over the face. As you say the facial hair is unusual and tending towards central european/middle eastern which only conributes to its intriguing nature.
http://cs.nivolesien.pagesperso-orange.fr/lespartenaires/index.html
Thanks for the Bossy link, tim. He seems to be the right one. He is a joiner. Nothing that would be suspicious.
Camopants:
http://www.shopstyle.com/browse?fts=camo+pants+for+men
Those are camopants, usually worn by drug addicted drug dealers. Usually they have dogs, too. Those arent unusual trousers.
You can see the mobile phone in his right hand.
I also saw this link at MZT and as you may remember I have previously considered that SAH might have been up at martinet to view a property possibly the coal house ,SM has a relative in property near the campsite so I thought possibly he was helping out with a viewing ,that was what I was thinking originally but the new Mr Bossy is interesting so I will add this into the mix.
http://immopartner-annecy.com/contact.php
Marilyn has opened a new thread and wrote this over on her blog
@All
re: Lars’ SunTimes link
I do not know if any of you read the update I gave when I opened the new thread.
I wrote: So, how long will the investigation continue before it will be classified as a ‘cold case’.
In France a case remains open for as long as the examining magistrate considers it necessary. There is a requirement though: the examining magistrate must regularly have a fresh lead to justify further investigation or the State will close the case because of inactivity on the part of the judiciary. A case could thus remain open indefinitely provided there is proof of judicial activity.
OK. It was a month ago, in other words a couple of days before we reached the 8th month after the shooting, when Prosecutor Maillaud last spoke to a journalist about this case. His ‘revelation’ was about that British-registered car which had been seen in the region before and on the day of the shooting.
So, there he ‘stated’, as French law requires, that he has a ‘new lead’ and the case could and would remain open.
Now, yet again a few days before the 9th month from the shooting, here he comes again with a ‘new lead’ as reported in the SunTimes.
I was waiting for him to say something publicly again.
Yet again, Prosecutor Maillaud is manifesting that there is a fresh lead and now the case can remain open as French law requires.
As each September 5 approaches he must get his team to put their heads together to make up a ‘new lead’, and there is always an English newspaper which is going to fall for it and headline the ‘revelation’.
A few days before July 5 there will be another ‘new lead’ and another English newspaper is going to headline the ‘revelation’. Unless those smart-arse editors read this blog and will know better.
Do I sound angry? Yes, I am angry. I am angry at journalists and editors who should know better.
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/chevanline-shootings-saad-al-hilli-sylvain-mollier-brett-martin-philippe-d-xavier-baligant/#comments
This is her update:
Great frustration is being expressed over the slowness of the French investigators to solve this atrocious murder, especially so when September 5 approaches and the French prosecutor’s office releases some small detail about the investigation, but as quickly fall silent again.
So, how long will the investigation continue before it will be classified as a ‘cold case’.
In France a case remains open for as long as the examining magistrate considers it necessary. There is a requirement though: the examining magistrate must regularly have a fresh lead to justify further investigation or the State will close the case because of inactivity on the part of the judiciary. A case could thus remain open indefinitely provided there is proof of judicial activity.
What if a suspect is named and the individual is not in France? Say the investigators do not even know his (or her) whereabouts?
In such a case, the French judiciary can indict the suspect and liaise with Interpol to issue an International Arrest Warrant. This means that the police of the 190 member states of Interpol are authorized to arrest the suspect. The French can also proceed to put the murderer on trial in absentia. This had happened in 1995 with the Kalinka Bamberski Case when the teenager’s rapist and murderer, the German doctor Dieter Krombach, was sentenced to 15 years incarceration. On his arrest in France in 2011 a retrial was held and the 15-year sentence was confirmed.
In a trial in absentia there will be no jury and the presiding judge, assisted by two magistrates, will pass their verdict. In such a trial the accused could, by law, be represented by a counsel who would plead his case: the counsel would be chosen by the accused’s family. In the event of a guilty verdict the counsel would not be allowed to appeal.
If you wish to read previous posts about this shooting at Chevaline on September 5, 2012 you can do so
here written on 12.09.12
here written on 11.07.12
here written on 10.25.12
here written on 09.08.12
here written on 09.06.12
Do join us here if you have something to say about this case.
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/chevanline-shootings-saad-al-hilli-sylvain-mollier-brett-martin-philippe-d-xavier-baligant/#comments
So, let’s wait for and watch the Channel 4 documentary:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-alps-murders/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1
Open for comments.