The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Also asked “Fat Bastard” who I called James, because that would be his name (and we know he’s Saad’s friend James…or should be) about Saad the man. What did he spend his money on ? What did he tell you about when he met and dated his wife (everyone has a story about dating)….and we get
RE clothes i have said many times that Saad shopped at primark and Lidl.
I met Saad through Ikbal (at the playgroup with the vicars wife) so im unlikely to know who Saad dated first best to ask Garry !
Im getting a bad feeling about some of the repeat questions on here almost as if im being bullied .
I may just go away
– See more at: http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/chevaline-shooting-saad-al-hilli-sylvain-mollier-part-7/comment-page-62/#comment-13462
The reference to “Garry” must be “Gary Aked”.
So this fella who claims to be “James, friend of Sa’ad” and the public face of “Saad Al hilli the man” in the media….doesn’t really know much about him !
Meeting your wife in Dubai and bringing her to the U.K. to marry IS/WAS a pretty big step in the life of anyone. You surely have a story or two to tell ?
Yet the “private lives” of Mollier and Al hilli are pretty much “unknown”. Not even a “I remember the time when….”
But nothing. Nada. A zero. A blank
“Stay sharp and show up in force”
GLADIO logo
Perhaps just another coincidence ….
Btw. I mistyped. The hunter’s email was [email protected]
Live.fr was the email endind of Addad.
Perhaps just another coincidence:
Staysharp25 is the first part of an assault rifle ww3 computer game.
Quote
***Stay Sharp***
Of all of the spec ops missions, this was one of the hardest to master in MW2, and in my opinion it’s the same here. You will want to trade out your sidearm for the M4A1, and then hit the course. Using either assault rifle first is fine, as long as you swap weapons at the right time and never reload. The first group of targets need to be nailed with hip-burst fire, all the while moving forward. Round the corner and aim down the sight at the next group. The door won’t open until they are cleared. As soon as it is, dash through. Melee the pop-out target, swap weapons and then advance on the next group. Hip-burst fire on the dogs and side target while moving forward, then aim down the sight at the next group. Again, the door won’t open until this group is cleared. Dash inside and hip-burst fire on the targets, and don’t hit Sandman. Your target is 28 seconds, which is rough. **Update** This one made me feel stupid. Immediately upon mission start, turn around and look in back of the jeep behind you to find a black AK-74u. Having a submachine gun improves your odds on this mission due to the burst-fire capacity and improved mobility. This weapon is a MUST-HAVE for running this course in an optimal time. Credit for the find goes to Joah C. aka (TEX)EMTFIRE007.
Modern Warfare 3, Stay Sharp special ops:
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Stay_Sharp
The objective is to clear all enemy targets, while avoiding all civilians.
(Avoid children?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdPrz_uRFck
Stay Sharp special ops played in 25 seconds. That’s pretty good and the “staysharp25″might be proud of. On the other hand , what if staysharp used exactly 25 bullets? 25? Havent we heard about 25 bullets before? Coincidence! Just coincidence!
Just like the Gladio sentence (above) just is coincidence. Was Sylvain Mollier, the hunter, setup by the clean team into the internet giving us a hidden message? Does he even exist? Is that certain Mollier part of the website with links to metallurgy and archery (NATO symbol arrow!) deliberate to confuse private investigations? Do they laugh at us now? Strange!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rs0fdZjsNQ
What else might an email address tell us?
Re Mohammed Addad, flight expert UAE and brother of Abdelaziz Addad, french metallurgy expert.
There is a huge hole in his linkedin profile. What had he done between 1984 and 2004?
James?
When searching for Mohamed Addad you find this. Perhaps just another coincidence ….
http://m.vk.com/id56141330
We have detected suspicious activity on Mohamed’s profileand temporarily suspended it to prevent further damage.If you can contact Mohamed, please tell him that his profile is safe but needs to be reclaimed.
Well, ……
Need to look at this.
Private flying Hawkers out of Geneve for a year.
Formerly flying out of a private airport in S. Africa for a month or three.
…and previously, for a long time, worked out of Casablanca.
I’ll have a root a round
As regards the newly discovered “bike” following me posting an Express photo on MZT, a distinguishing feature is the very white wheel, which from that distance must suggest a very wide rim. They do exist as you can see from this image.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=racing+bikes+carbon+fibre&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Hm3RUfPqDIan0wWEiYGwCg&ved=0CFAQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=712#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=DS7Dt7oXRFwx0M%3A%3BRDEZl-gE4ZxVPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.v-sprint.com%252Fimages%252Fbike1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.v-sprint.com%252Fpages%252Ftrack-bikes.html%3B400%3B320
The next significant question is : “Is it Mollier’s bike?”
There are some strong suggestions it might be. Although questionable in other respects, it is located where Le Monde placed it back in October. If it is like the bike shown above it fits the unchallenged story that SM was on a new £4000 bike. It might also explain how he was apparently able to pass WBM at a faster pace. If it did have carbon fibre or cutting edge alloy rims and frame it would fit someone engaged all his life with metal technology wouldn’t it?
More information on “V Sprint” here for representative purposes only. To be clear, I am not suggesting it was necessarily this model, although the final price may not be far that quoted when all the bits are put together.
Meant to add this –
http://www.v-sprintwheels.com/
Bluebird
1 Jul, 2013 – 8:11 am I’m not sure what photo you are viewing but the one I posted still had the flat loader present which as we all know had the thin rimmed bike at the front when it left. So it could have been still there up to the time the low loader left with car AND bike.
Daily Express – By: Giles SheldrickPublished: Sat, September 8, 2012
“As detectives stepped up their hunt for the professional hitmen who they believe executed wealthy Saad Al-Halli, his dentist wife Iqbal and her mother, police sources said the unnamed Briton has given them detailed descriptions of the possible getaway car and of a lone motorcyclist.
He can consider himself lucky to be alive as he was overtaken by a French cyclist who was shot dead after witnessing the cold-blooded assassination. He has told police he thinks he saw the killers speed past him on the way to the scene.
Last night the man was being kept in a police safe house but has provided police with a full account of the carnage he came across on Wednesday afternoon.
He clearly remembers seeing a green 4×4 vehicle and a motorcyclist speeding past him towards the scene which he arrived at minutes later, giving weight to the theory the shocking murders were carried out by more than one individual.
His evidence is key to trying to solve the mystery of a horrific killing that has shocked France and baffled seasoned detectives.
It emerged last night that the RAF veteran with “nerves of steel” is terrified of being identified.
Colonel Bertrand Francois, head of the local gendarmerie, praised the Englishman for the way he acted.
He not only put seven-year-old Zeinab Al-Hilli in the recovery position but turned the car’s engine off and then called the police.
He has been unable to sleep since and is relying on police to protect his identity, said Mr Francois.
He added: “His private life is over for the coming months. He can’t sleep. He can’t go out and shop.
“We are doing everything to protect the man’s anonymity. Put yourself in his shoes – imagine what would happen if he goes public? His life will change from one day to the next and he doesn’t want that to happen.”
There have been fears that those responsible for the carnage will strike again – perhaps targeting witnesses to the murders.”
N.B ref. those tyre tracks:
“Locals report hearing an intense 30-second blast of gunfire before the gang sped off, leaving discarded bullet rounds, a trail of blood and tyre marks on the road.”
The new aerial view is here (at bottom of page) I think when you’ve looked at it you will agree it is the sort of bike I’ve described.
sorry – here it is :
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/410407/French-Alps-murders-Victim-s-brother-released-on-bail-after-police-grilling
Agree with the thrust of your argument Bluebird
1 Jul, 2013 – 8:11 am – points I have made many times here and elsewhere. Gradually I think we are coming to a consensus that the official story line is BS basically. Partly why I reposted that early article to show how it has back tracked and changed forwards and backwards with time.
Tim
Yes i did refer to that photo you just posted with your link a few minutes ago. You can see that pickup. That car wont be allowed coming to the scene except for the investigation at the scene was already finished at this time. I am still not convinced that this is a bicycle but i am not good in seeing any relevant details in photos.
James
Casablanca is a good hint. All the Addad family has backlinks to Casablanca. Didnt the Ginolins/Molliers have links to Casablanca and SM’s ex wive, too?
Though i do not know whether or not that Addad guy is a relative, he has maroc roots, too:
http://globaljihad.net/view_page.asp?id=392
As we can remember, there are a lot of mollier/ginolet casablanca links.
Just search google.
http://ma.viadeo.com/v/publicProfile/00211a1i94e8vnk7?language=fr&mobilebypass=1
http://swp.fr/metaconcept-v1/fr/contact_export.htm
Maxime and Michel Ginolet, Antoine Mollier, Mollier-Sabet and more.
And now we have got the Addad family.
It is possible to jump to (wrong) conclusions from insufficient evidence James
1 Jul, 2013 – 9:44 am. I have no idea if “Fat Bastard” (even the name suggests a certain personality) is who he says he is or how well he knew the Al Hillis. If we take him at his word he is an uncomplicated chap, uninvolved in intrigue of any kind, sceptical Saad was anything more than a down-to-earth chap who shopped at Lidl’s. He may be right for all I know. Nor should we take his uninformative replies adversely. He may feel obligated to the family not to reveal personal information or he may just be an “awkward b” as his name suggests. However his replies to me have been ones that would evoke an element of surprise bordering on a suspicion that he is precisely the person he purports to be in all respects. Or maybe its just his style to be a tad confrontational – who knows?
Straw44berry
30 Jun, 2013 – 8:40 pm ref the bike – I think it is the RIM not the tyres that is the important feature here. Tyres can be white but not that prominent at at distance.
@James
1 Jul, 2013 – 9:44 am
It seems you spooked him, if not actually called his bluff.
He’s been posting some weird shit over on MZT lately imnsho.
James, tim, mochyn
Whatever he is, he’s nit very helpful
1. He might be a troll. 5 minutes of personal fame, you know.
2. He might be somebody who is asked to deliberately spread disinformation.
3. He might in fact be a friend. But then he doesnt know very much.
4. He might be something of everything.
However, so far he was more confusing than helpful.
Does he know the forum where Saad “ranted”.
Does he know Saad’s online nickbame?
Does he know his emaol address?
Those would be helpful answers but not Lidl and Tesco answers …
From “safe house” to appearing on Sky TV ?
Was this interview meant to assist Martin tell the killer(s) he “didn’t see anything” ?
Skid/spin marks in the car park ? Why if the BMW was in reverse are we led to believe that it made them “in one move” ?
What is the significance of these things ?
Until the release of the photograph of the BMW, what was the story being told ? A British family shot dead in an isolated picnic area ?
Martin’s story would have been told eventually …and most probably would have included the reason for his entry into the vehicle to switch off the engine.
Without the picture, what would the story be ?
A killer approached the parked vehicle and started to fire ?
Martin’s story would then suggest that Al Hilli had just arrived…and was reversing into position.
The only thing I can think is, it has something to do with the length of his reverse ? And from where he reversed ?
OR the time that he spent there (the lack of it OR the length ).
Thanks James for trying. I dont know what to make of FB though right now, certainly makes some odd comments.
Straw55berry…
Yep, he’s a strange fish that one.
I asked if he knew about Saad’s time in Dubai.
He said he didn’t know who Saad first dated. I hadn’t asked that.
Later he tells a story about dental equipment in hand luggage.
Guess that was his “Dubai story”. A rather weak effort I believe.
Hey ! But he did refer to “trolls”. Guess that was a swipe at me !
C’MON ! I’m a pussy cat.
His much-touted offer “for tea” still rolls on though.
Although he didn’t want me to come over and chew the fat. I was referred to The Surrey and Sussex High Command.
Just had a really strange thought !
james, I couldn’t see your query though I saw the answers by FB. When was your question posted?
Marlin
Yep. Late last night I asked two questions of Fat Bastard.
One
“Fat Bastard ..can you provide any insight into why the postman at Claygate didn’t have “post” for Iqbal ? And did not seem to know her when interviewed by Sky TV ?
Did she at any point live in Stockholm to your knowledge ?
Can you also provide any insight as to where the monies that funded the “al Hilli” account which Sa’ad were deposited from ? Was this his fathers business ?”.
TWO
“James…. tell me about Sa’ad ? Tell me what clothes he wore. Tell me where he shopped. Tell me who he dated prior to Iqbal.
I’ll have tea with you. I fly into Northolt. I nave a driver. I’ll meet you. You can get my email and we can meet”.
I used “James” as “Fat Bastard” should be James as much quoted in The Press. He replied to both posts.
I did think I put something about the couple meeting in Dubai. But I was tapping it out fast and posted it before I added that bit.
His replies back are as posted earlier.
No information given…other than he shopped at Lidl and Primark.
@James
The Surrey and Sussex High Command – is there or was there ever such a thing to your knowledge?
Just had a really strange thought ! – do share
update
As I have note in the past
James
1 Jul, 2013 – 6:03 pm had WBM not blown the gaff EM’s storyline might have held intact and no one would have been the wiser.
Bleb…
I will come back to that strange thought. Just need to think it through. I wouldn’t want to say anything out of turn.
Tim….
The photo kind of blew the gaff.
That (I believe) was published on the 7th.
The story then was “ex RAF man noticed the British registered BMW in the car park…and went to investigate”.
It was during this investigation that he (the then unnamed ex RAF man) turned the engine off…as the engine was “running”.
It was at that point he noticed the French cyclist.
Of course this story changed to the more dramatic one of the escape in reverse gear, halted by the bank. And Martin spotting Mollier first….then the eldest girl.
Obviously we’re talking about “newspaper reports” here.
But if you look at it. First we have the BMW “in the car park”.
Then the BMW’s high speed “reverse, in an arc….in the car park”.
What’s the big thing about the car park ? Why is it all contained in that car park ?
If it was, it was. But things don’t fit.
The rear pax with their seat belts on. The eldest girl outside the locked car. The area that the BMW maneuvered in. The broken roof rack.
Straw, Blue and Marlin…
I tried again with “Fat Bastard”. Mentioned my time in Dubai.
He did get back and asked about “weekends” in The Middle East.
I answered him. Kind of “his test” !
In Dubai they changed from Thursday/Friday…to Friday/Saturday.
This was in 2006.
Anyway…he comes back with a little banter saying “I was in Dahran dash 8s and tornadoes”
I asked “RSAF out of Dhahran then ?”
(It’s Dharan, with an “h” but what the hell.
“Or Aramco ?”
And later asked if Saad had been out there. It’s not uncommon for “oily boyz” to pop to Dubai for a “break”. Hence how he met his wife. A reasonable question I thought !
They may have had “shared experiences” of working out there…or worked out there together ??
Just a “clue” to SAH’s “contracting years”. Or “employed years”.
We now so little about this.
Anyway…I didn’t get far. Instead I started a “revolt” on MTZ !
I guess they don’t like people asking ANY questions.
“It is not Darjeeling: plain and simple Lipton Yellow Label. The biscuits are German Stieffenhofer – Assortiment de biscuits fins”
Revolution over. They’re having biscuits now !
You did your best, james. People on blogs do form groups and little alliances. kind of like cliques. I post there now and then, but understand I am – and will remain – an outsider. Luckily, the psychology of “insiders’ vs “outsiders” has always interested me, for reasons that are way too long to explain, and have nothing to do with Chevaline. I am also content to remain part of the “CM gang” where the admission rules are mercifully lax, even as I venture out elsewhere now and then. In fact, i couldn’t help notice that just about anyone is welcome to break into this little group, and whatever they have to say or ask is met with answers rather than invisible walls made of ether. On the bright side, Tim V has been making much progress thanks, no doubt, to a steadfast allegiance to the factual universe. Funny thing that, facts.
Have a funny feeling BTW, that a few more ‘facts” are about to roll our way. Beats biscuits any day. Or somewhat weak English breakfast tea.
Ain’t the internets great?