Lord Carlile is amazingly unobservant. An excellent article in today’s Observer by Jay Rayner gives details of the establishment cover-up of Janner’s long continued child rapes. The silence of the Vaz draws most attention. But let us think about Alex Carlile.
Rayner states “The establishment, in the shape of his fellow MPs, men such as Labour’s Keith Vaz, Tory David Ashby and the then Lib Dem MP now Lord Carlile, closed ranks.” In the 1991 House of Commons debate deploring accusations against Janner, Carlile played a prominent part, describing Janner as a man of “integrity” and “determination”. Carlile should have known Janner fairly well. They were both MPs, both QCs, both members of Friends of Israel, both patrons of UK lawyers for Israel. The appear still to both be patrons of the Friends of Israel Educational Foundation. They were regulars on the same parliamentary committees dealing with legal affairs. They were both to leave the Commons at the same time and both to join the Lords only slightly apart.
Still, Carlile’s stalwart defence of his friend is understandable. You can’t expect him to have picked up on Janner’s secret life. Nor that of Cyril Smith. Carlile shared a small Commons office with Cyril Smith for many years. Oh dear. He really isn’t good at noticing things, is he?
Carlile’s mistress and eventual wife was a senior legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions. Cosy world, Westminster, it it not?
Carlile went on to be a stunningly illiberal “Independent” Reviewer of anti-terror legislation, where he demonstrated his independence by agreeing to absolutely everything the security services told him. 42 day detention with no charge? No problem. In fact there was no period of detention without charge posited so extreme that Carlile did not support it. Secret courts hearing intelligence evidence the defence were not allowed to see? Fine by Carlile. Control orders? Great. He is a fantastic bastion, protecting the public, is Carlile.
Even better, of course, at protecting his associates.
Janner’s letter of April 9 to the Lords has been released to The Guardian: Further questions raised about whether or not Lord Janner is fit to stand trial: Labour peer ruled too unwell to face child abuse charges signed document requesting a leave of absence from the House of Lords just eleven days ago:
I would say it is becoming likelier and likelier that Janner will soon die in an unforunate accident.
I myself should not entirely rule out the possibility of him dying a completely natural death given his age and apparent illness?
This is taking the pis and cocking a snook at all and sundry;
Mr. Greville Janner 3rd Dec. 1991 House of Commons.
A very convincing rebuttal against Paul Winston the young chap whom read out a letter written to him by Greville Janner during the trail of Frank Beck.
“An excerpt from the SNP manifesto,a bold and forward thinking statement.”
Published on April 20th, Hitler’s birthday.
Habbabkuk @ 6.28 pm: You may have “gathered” that I agree that ad hominem arguments are sometimes acceptable, but you failed to gather that certain conditions need to be met. One example would be when evidence about the character of the person advancing the argument is clearly relevant. If you discount my arguments because you have evidence that I am a serial liar or that I do not argue in good faith, fine – put your evidence into the public domain. However, all you advance as evidence of my bad character is that I am a Scot. [Like the majority of Scots, I prefer to remain part of the UK, in my case hoping that the moral compass provided by Adam Smith can finally overcome the blind UK worship of market forces.]
How does being Scottish invalidate my views? If I were to discount someone’s arguments because he/she was English/Israeli/ black/female/ elderly/ legless/unemployed you would have good reason to discount my views as those of someone who sees the world through prejudiced spectacles. You say I have produced a rag-bag of arguments, but you don’t respond to any of them.
I invite you to use your considerable intellect and rhetorical skills to explain your view of what is “perhaps to be expected from a Scot” and why. A fine English writer observed: “It is never difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.” Nor is it hard to distinguish constructive contributions to political debate from self-satisfied sniping from deep within the comfort zone of those who snuggle down with their tamagotchi friend who never disappoints them. Peter Pan shares your infantile belief in fairies: maybe we should address you as HabbaPeterPan? There’s an uplifting ring to it. “HabbaPeterPan, HabbaPeterPan, HabbaPeterPan…”
Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
20 Apr, 2015 – 9:38 pm
“I myself should not entirely rule out the possibility of him dying a completely natural death given his age and apparent illness?”
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So Janner is not a complete sicko and perverted fecker who should not be brought before the full force of the law?
What kind of vermin are you to defend Greville Janner when the dpp has openly stated that Janner should be prosecuted?
@ RobG (20 Apr, 2015 – 7:39 pm)
Perhaps you can explain why our demented Lord is not allowed this kind of public interest?
Of course I can explain : it is because any such properly conducted trial/examination of Janners actions/involvement would reveal the extent of the ‘establishment’/TPTB’s nexus involvement in child abuse. This SHOULD be in the ‘public interest’, but we (the public) are not allowed to know such nefarious truths as this would threaten the ‘national interest’.
This is why Janner’s prosecution was dropped; but I believe that he SHOULD be subjected to a full criminal investigation & a (surely) resulting trial.
@Fred
20 Apr, 2015 – 10:25 pm
The trolls here are both tiresome and boring.
I suggest you go back to effing and blinding.
And I will remind readers that trolls like Habba and Fred apparently see no problem with children being sexually abused and murdered, and actively try to cover-up those who carry out these acts.
Reportedly, this is the fourth time that Janner has escaped prosecution.
He was interviewed by police after the [Frank] Beck trial [1991], and was the subject of further allegations of abuse in 2002, but these were not referred to the CPS.
A third investigation was launched in 2006 after police received a complaint from yet another alleged victim. A dossier was passed to the CPS which decided there was ‘insufficient evidence’ to bring charges.
(source – full article worth a read)
“And I will remind readers that trolls like Habba and Fred apparently see no problem with children being sexually abused and murdered, and actively try to cover-up those who carry out these acts.”
Are we going to get a public enquiry into the Hollie Greig cover up then?
Thought not.
Yes Node I agree, you have to love Nicola Sturgeon. I myself believe love and the heart must entangle with a political will in undertaking, in difficult times, the multidimensional task of creating better conditions for Britain’s businesses, private investment, improving the monetary policy and remodelling the administrative systems in government, defence, health, education and many other sectors which this Conservative dominated government has stubbornly attempted by austerity measures and lies.
This government has taken a austerity sword and an astringent pen. The sword has cut down British folks lives by forming huge chasms in the system of social benefits, voids the casualties of hard times, unemployment, poor health, bankruptcy, stagnation and dislocation fall with little or no safety net, opening up a spiralling path, a trap door to gloom, distress and suicide.
The pen has drafted laws to restrict freedoms, control unrest and radical change, draft our taxes to support banks, and raise the retirement age to balance the pension system and keep money in the budget for war and hegemony.
Nicola Sturgeon appreciates and recognizes this CONSERVATIVE unfeeling, uncaring, unsympathetic thick-skinned way WILL FAIL through lack of trust, the people’s trust. Nicola Sturgeon feels how ordinary people live.
Trust in the SNP will garner support and with trust the British people will, without doubt, adjust to the pain of change, a modest transformation, a natural process to better times.
Even the Torygraph is now dumping on Janner and Alison Saunders: DPP Alison Saunders spent £7,000 on business class flights while CPS headed towards crisis: Alison Saunders, the Director of Public Prosecutions facing resignation calls over her handling of the Greville Janner affair, claimed £13,000 in expenses.
Does that mean that the security services have decided that Janner is already a lost cause?
@Mark Golding
So name me one SNP policy which hasn’t transferred wealth from the poor to the rich.
fred 20 Apr, 2015 – 11:27 pm :
“An excerpt from the SNP manifesto,a bold and forward thinking statement. ….Published on April 20th, Hitler’s birthday.”
Gosh Fred, you pointing out a connection between the SNP and Hitler nearly changed my mind about voting for them, but then I realised that you made that post on April 20th, Hitler’s birthday, therefore it’s your post that’s evil, therefore the SNP must be good after all, so I’m more determined than ever to vote for them.
@Node
I post every day. How often does the SNP publish a manifesto?
@Fred: Are you seriously suggesting that the SNP decided on this date in order to honour Hitler’s birthdate? If not, isn’t that just a rather silly and unpleasant slur?
What do you suggest, Fred, they should have published it today? ….. Oh no, it’s the Queen’s birthday, that wouldn’t be right.
Well, tomorrow then ….. oh no, Vladimir Nabokov’s birthday, Lolita author, hmmmm, perhaps not.
Well, the day after ……. oh fuck, St George’s day
Right, the 24th then …….
……….
……what, we missed the election?
Ian Orr, I salute you for taking so much time to explain the intricacies of communicating to habbakuk, taking care of his slapdash argumentation, and, in front of us all who frequent this blog, it should be plastered above every thread.
Were do you find all the time, mendacity and patience? Somehow I feel the urge to share a bottle of the finest with you, soon.
I think Fred is soon moving back to England, Glenn, or will find that some he accuses of being Nazi’s might not take kindly to it, won’t just laugh it off as moronic stupidity.
Others might try and cheer him up spraying the saltire on his sheep.
I think Fred will find (and have the utmost difficulty accepting) that the SNP manifesto was in fact published to commemorate Cromwell’s dissolution of the (English) Long Parliament, on April 20th, 1653:
http://www.famous-speeches-and-speech-topics.info/famous-short-speeches/oliver-cromwell-speech-dissolution-of-the-long-parliament.htm
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
IOW, fuck off and die, retard cunts….
pmsl.
(That’s not quite the full speech, as it happens. This is:)
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God’s help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
Instead of wasting time trolling on Craig’s Blog, couldn’t GCHQ et al be better off chasing terrorists?
Or is there evidence that they are not so good at using even highly targeted intelligence??
Oops, according to American Public TV
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/american-terrorist/the-hidden-intelligence-breakdowns-behind-the-mumbai-attacks/
Maybe other countries are better at ‘defeating terrorism’ , whilst ensuring good normal policing?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/terror-fight-hampering-work-on-other-files-senior-mountie-says-1.3041775
This comes about after a prolonged media sesh where every day, in every possible way , the Canadian (and UK & USA & Australian & NZ) media have shouted ‘jihadis go to Syria’ –
I thought this was just historically hysterically reported news – but it now seems to have been a deliberate media call for arms?, as according to the same above link:
Now either that 50% increase is blowback, or it is deliberate! {take your pick}
The DPP has most unusually covered her back by issuing a statement telling us Greville Janner is guilty without all the fuss of having to go to trial.
The police first raided Greville Janner’s home and office in December 2013 – but oddly didn’t make an appointment for questioning until May 2014, by which time Janner could present the police with two doctor’s certificates saying he had alzheimers. Someone at Exaro Press told me that the CPS told the police to go away and get two more independent doctor’s certificates. So then there were 4. Now – having spent years ignoring and covering up for Janner – the police are outraged at the DPP’s decision.
None of the political parties wants a trial – Theresa May waded in to criticise the DPP’s decision, but Theresa May is not the Attorney General and only he can overturn the DPP’s decision and we haven’t heard a peep from him.
Seems to me none of the parties wants this to go to trial; the police don’t want this to go to trial and the DPP doesn’t want this to go to trial. Smoke and mirrors writ large.
Now why would this be?
Could it be that Janner’s alzheimers is not advanced enough for him not to bleat about other names?
Iain Orr
You’ve written a couple of dozen lines to say….what exactly?
To paraphrase what I said before: it was clear from your post that you have no problem with the West Lothian question. And I suggested that that is because you are a Scot. Why should any Scot object to a post-devolution situation (the West Lothian situation) which is so favorable to Scottish MPs and Scotland?
Your post reads well, is elegantly phrased and attempts to be witty. That, I suppose, is why you wrote it. Or have I somehow missed a serious point or two hiding amoung the verbiage?
” Are you seriously suggesting that the SNP decided on this date in order to honour Hitler’s birthdate? If not, isn’t that just a rather silly and unpleasant slur?”
I posted two facts.
Had it been one of the three mainstream parties had published the same it would probably have gone without comment. As it was I receive threats and intimidation, told I would be better leaving Scotland.
Do people who vote for other parties take it personally if the party they vote for is criticised? Why do the SNP voters get so irate if the SNP is criticised? Why do they consider it personal criticism of themselves? Do you think this attitude is a healthy one?
Do people who vote for other parties take it personally if the party they vote for is criticised? Why do the SNP voters get so irate if the SNP is criticised? Why do they consider it personal criticism of themselves? Do you think this attitude is a healthy one?
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A healthy attitude from the guy,who thinks Alex Salmond is Der Fuhrer and the SNP his Nazi party.
Therefore it comes as no surprise to anyone that you and you alone,equate the SNP manifesto release date with Adolf Hitler’s birthday.
Truly remarkable,and very very disturbing.
“Therefore it comes as no surprise to anyone that you and you alone,equate the SNP manifesto release date with Adolf Hitler’s birthday.”
What I equate is one rise in Nationalism with another rise in Nationalism.
City lawyers support CPS chief Alison Saunders. Well, they would, wouldn’t they?
One wonders what he thinks of the rise of Ukrainian nationalism.