Lord Carlile is amazingly unobservant. An excellent article in today’s Observer by Jay Rayner gives details of the establishment cover-up of Janner’s long continued child rapes. The silence of the Vaz draws most attention. But let us think about Alex Carlile.
Rayner states “The establishment, in the shape of his fellow MPs, men such as Labour’s Keith Vaz, Tory David Ashby and the then Lib Dem MP now Lord Carlile, closed ranks.” In the 1991 House of Commons debate deploring accusations against Janner, Carlile played a prominent part, describing Janner as a man of “integrity” and “determination”. Carlile should have known Janner fairly well. They were both MPs, both QCs, both members of Friends of Israel, both patrons of UK lawyers for Israel. The appear still to both be patrons of the Friends of Israel Educational Foundation. They were regulars on the same parliamentary committees dealing with legal affairs. They were both to leave the Commons at the same time and both to join the Lords only slightly apart.
Still, Carlile’s stalwart defence of his friend is understandable. You can’t expect him to have picked up on Janner’s secret life. Nor that of Cyril Smith. Carlile shared a small Commons office with Cyril Smith for many years. Oh dear. He really isn’t good at noticing things, is he?
Carlile’s mistress and eventual wife was a senior legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions. Cosy world, Westminster, it it not?
Carlile went on to be a stunningly illiberal “Independent” Reviewer of anti-terror legislation, where he demonstrated his independence by agreeing to absolutely everything the security services told him. 42 day detention with no charge? No problem. In fact there was no period of detention without charge posited so extreme that Carlile did not support it. Secret courts hearing intelligence evidence the defence were not allowed to see? Fine by Carlile. Control orders? Great. He is a fantastic bastion, protecting the public, is Carlile.
Even better, of course, at protecting his associates.
“We’re coming for you vermin.
Make no mistake about that.”
You are Bunny La Roche and I claim my five pounds?
Node
“As long as they keep up the dirty tricks against Nicola, we can be sure that the UK establishment sees her as a genuine threat, that there is no secret agenda to use the SNP in some convoluted Westminster political chess game.”
Nonsense. They will be simultaneously undermining and capturing the party.
Iain Orr
“How many of your candidates are private landlords?”
An excellent question that will not get answered.
An informative blog post by ObiterJ re the decision not to prosecute Janner is here:
‘Lord Greville Janner ~ the decision not to prosecute ‘
Robin Ramsay has an interesting snippet about MI5 using red xmas trees to signal potential subversives to HR at the BBC and Ford. Includes a quote from a Special Branch cop:
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster69/lob69-view-from-the-bridge.pdf
So who has seen Lord Janners brain scan and the clear signs of dementia/Alzheimers? a verbal diagnosis surely is insufficient andf malleable.
“The Scottish First Minister also told voters the party will officially recognise Palestine as a state in an effort to halt bloodshed in the Middle East.”
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Well I never! The answer to the Moddle East conflict has been under our noses all the while!
Thank you, Scottish National Party!
@Anon 1
You may be interested in Tom Watson’s response to the Torygraph editorial you read.
https://medium.com/@tom_watson/the-telegraph-a-lazy-disingenuous-editorial-from-a-failing-newspaper-3a69f5a69f1d
RobG
“And can I also add that the number of trolls appearing on this thread, to either defend these vermin or turn the thread away from the subject, is utterly disgusting.”
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It’s the number you find disgusting or what we eminently sensible people have to say?
You should have reached for the smelling salts before posting and not afterwards.
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And that’s enough attention for you today, you little jester. 🙂
Iain Orr
“It’s a consequence of devolution.”
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It is indeed and an unfortunate one in the view of many.
But not in your view, as I gather from the way you have gathered together a little ragbag of arguments in the rest of your post.
But there again, that is perhaps to be expected from a Scot.
Sorry about the “ad hominem” but I gather from another post of yours that it’s OK to use them.
Martin Jackson
I came to my own conclusion about Tom Watson, but delighted to see that the Telegraph has picked up on it also.
DPP in shell-shock, perhaps?
The misconduct in public office trials have gone terribly awry since the appeal court opted for a liberal view of what the press [as against public servants] should be allowed to do.
Is it possible that Ms Saunders’ judgement on Jenner was clouded by this reverse? That she couldn’t face another reverse?
Think Ernest Saunders and Augusto Pinochet; both of whom “recovered” from dementia after English proceedings had been abandoned.
Did DPP consider them?
It’s almost like he does exactly what he’s told to do.
Phil : “Nonsense. They will be simultaneously undermining and capturing the party.”
They will be trying to simultaneously undermine and capture the party, and they will eventually succeed. But the fact that they’re putting so much effort into the undermining bit suggests they haven’t had much luck with the capturing bit yet.
My best guess is that they were always confident that they could control the referendum outcome one way or another, but they didn’t intend the widespread disillusionment with mainstream media. Right now in Scotland, their main brainwashing tool, the BBC, is a busted flush, and as for newspapers, apparently there’s someone up in Caithness still buying the Telegraph and the Daily Mail but that’s about it. In the aftermath of the referendum, the Scottish electorate is highly politicised and literally out of control. The Establishment will get a grip again eventually but this next parliament is going to be interesting. It might even make a lasting difference.
https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/janner-request-to-keep-seat-in-lords/
Screenshot of Sunday Times article 19th April yesterday reporting Janner’s request to the House of Lords to remain a member .
From the Daily Mail last year:
“Police were blocked from arresting a high-profile Labour MP [Greville Janner] suspected of child abuse more than 20 years ago…”
“Detectives had taken legal advice from a senior lawyer on the rare and potentially controversial move of arresting the serving politician.”
“This would have given them the power to search his home and offices, as well as taking his fingerprints and other evidence.”
“But sources close to the case told The Times that at the last minute the planned arrest was blocked. It is not known by whom.”
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The CPS has admitted that there was enough evidence to arrest and charge him in 1991. Someone very high up prevented that.
Janner will not be prosecuted but whoever blocked his arrest and prosecution is guilty of perverting the course of justice.
We must find out who that was.
Adrian
20 Apr, 2015 – 9:26 am:
“Having worked in child protection and the misfortune to be in close proximity to a number of psychopaths, I can’t help seeing psychopathic traits in most of our glorious leaders. It is no surprise to me that they enjoy the rape torture and murders of the most vulnerable children. It’s what psychopaths do. I would be extremely surprised if this is not going on today. I’m damn sure it is.”
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Westminster Paedophile Scandal: Current MPs Named ‘Again and Again’ in Calls to Sex Abuse Helpline
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/westminister-paedophile-scandal-current-mps-named-again-again-calls-sex-abuse-helpline-1455805
And halitosis Habba & Co, I’m sure readers of these blog comments will make up their own mind who the jesters are; you know, the ones who post on here anonymously, and who never give authorative links to back-up what they are saying, and who continually use character assassination against anyone who calls out the Establishment for the vile, rotten edifice it is.
“As long as they keep up the dirty tricks against Nicola, we can be sure that the UK establishment sees her as a genuine threat, that there is no secret agenda to se the SNP in some convoluted Westminster political chess game.”
Nicola Sturgeon hasn’t been elected to Westminster, she isn’t standing for election to Westminster. Yet she seems to think she has some right to dictate UK policies.
Greville Janner: Connection between DPP and Lord’s QC son raises questions over decision not to prosecute him over sex abuse allegations.
Why is Labour Peer Lord Janner not being prosecuted because he has dementia? At least 19 defendants suffering with the disease have been convicted for sex crimes… and TEN were in the past year.
Fred : “Nicola Sturgeon hasn’t been elected to Westminster, she isn’t standing for election to Westminster. Yet she seems to think she has some right to dictate UK policies.”
Yes, Westminster politics don’t make a lot of sense. Makes you wonder why some people are so determined to protect it from change.
I’ve just seen Nicola on the TV field a loaded question : “Why do you think the English are scared of you?”
She immediately replied “I don’t.” ….. then a long pause….. “I don’t think they are scared of me, and I think David Cameron is making a huge mistake thinking they are.”
What a girl, you got to love her, eh Fred?
@Bert
20 Apr, 2015 – 5:49 pm
Thank you for the very interesting ObiterJ blog post you link to.
I agree with ObiterJ that the only criteria for not putting Janner’s paedophile crimes on trial was ‘public interest’.
But unlike ObiterJ I don’t think dropping the case has served ‘public interest’.
In the present climate of paedo scandal after paedo scandal, I think the public will soon be at the doors of the Establishment, with interesting lengths of rope in their hands.
In this thread I have already given two examples of demented paedophiles who were put before a jury in absentia.
I can give more examples, if you want.
Perhaps you can explain why our demented Lord is not allowed this kind of public interest?
Lord Janner: DPP under pressure over ‘perverse’ decision not to charge peer
One of Janner’s alleged victims calls for Alison Saunders to quit after she said peer was not fit to stand trial because he has Alzheimer’s disease:
Daily Mail article I link to above gives 19 cases.
@Lysias
20 Apr, 2015 – 7:28 pm & 7:32 pm
Thanks for the very good links.
I missed them when making my previous post, because I’ve had a hard day in the deckchair (according to halitosis Habba).
Lysias
For an American (allegedly) living in the United States (apparently) you certainly do follow a lot of British newspapers rather closely. Latterly, the Daily Mail no less.
Is this a sign of nostalgia for your years at Oxford (allegedly)?
Anon1
20 Apr, 2015 – 8:50 am
“One thing to note is Tom Watson’s peculiar silence now that we are dealing with a suspected Labour paedophile.”
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Not true Anon1
@tom_watson
Once again survivors lose their chance of justice. We need to know who stopped the 1991 case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/04/17/telegraph-tom-watson-lord-janner_n_7085266.html
Lysias, for legal reasons I have to be careful what I say here, as do the media.
The term ‘child sex abuse’ is perhaps a bit fuzzy. What we’re talking about here (as the Leicester police well know) is the violent rape of children, S&M stuff carried out on children, and in a lot of cases the brutal murder of children.
I can only hope that a genuine person from Leicester police might comment here.
These paedo sickos, and all the demented trolls on threads like this who support them, have got to do time. Serious time.
“What a girl, you got to love her, eh Fred?”
Everybody loved Tony Blair back in 1997, took Labour to a landslide victory.