It is a strange world where the passage I most agreed with came from the Iranian President:
Iraq, Syria and Yemen are all examples of crises being stoked through terror, extremism, violence, bloodshed, invasion and the indifference of the international community. They are similar examples displaying cases of displacement, homelessness and fleeing from the horrors of war and bombardment. Their problems have persisted because the international community has failed them and because of incorrect actions of newcomers to the region and naive trans-regional actors. Consequently, the wave of destruction has gone beyond the Arab world and reached the gates of Europe and the United States and has resulted in the destruction of the relics of civility and precious works of ancient civilizations and, more broadly, has resulted in the death of humanity.
We must not forget that the roots of today’s wars, destruction and terror, can be found in the occupation, invasion and military intervention of yesterday. If we did not have the US military invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the US’s unwarranted support for the inhumane actions of the Zionist regime against the oppressed nation of Palestine, today the terrorists would not have an excuse for the justification of their crimes.
Melikowalski was afraid to show up at UNGA this time, his shpielberg swindlers list of cartoons can now be easily seen through by the Gentiles. Big kabbalah human sacrifice must be around the corner if the devils want to con the WHOLE world again like the now ludicrous 911 con, ie FOUR commercial jets gallivanting around sensitive US Pentagon/WH airspace for an hour unchallenged by NORAD!?! Gimme a great satanic break !
AlcyOne
Deep apologies. You are 2nd from the right in this family photo.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTf1vXkXyvXBdiGxflpc9RYOPI8P-FCKYJuliVzX8J8ILKEtH18
Jon
As I understand it Thierry Meyssan is a secularist, rather than an atheist, but is the thing he hates most a/ Muslim politicians who use religion as a smokescreen for political ambition like the Muslim Brotherhood or b/ atheist politicians who attack religion as a justification for their colonial greed?
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188860.html
AlcyOne
Oh my lines! I’ve got you 2 mixed up again. 2nd on the right was Anon1. So sorry. It won’t happen again.
Radio 4’s glance at the papers this morning – universal MSM revulsion for Corbyn.There must be something very wrong inside MSM that no-one dares stand up to their corporate bosses and agree with this remarkable orator of huge intelligence and compassion.
“jemand the waste of skin, food, resources, and the racist cretin, I will not dignify your brainfarts with a reply.”
But you just did, Fedup. Froth, bubbles, drool and all.
“Because as you know currently there is the dogmatism of the militant atheists whose proselytism for conversion of the religious people into none religious persons is all the rage!”
Where are these militant atheists, Fedup? Where are their places of worship from where the message of atheism rings out each hour and at dawn and dusk? Where are the door-to-door atheists with their “God Delusion” bibles? What bloody inquisitions have been carried out in the name of atheism, Fedup? Where are the sexually abused child victims of clerical atheists? Where in the history books can we find the atheist crusades? How many people have been put to death for offending against atheism?
Hmmm?
Making shit up by typing words next to each other is not helping, Fedup. It’s time to up the dosage on your anti-psychotic medication.
Jon – “In what fashion should Israel be sorted? Personally I think that the two-state solution with a rolling back to either of the old borders is highly unlikely, and so the international community needs to push harder on the one-state solution. It’s going to be a hard sell to both sides, but I wonder if it is actually a more likely outcome.”
How does a one-state solution work for a secular “jewish homeland” when the majority of voting Israelis will be muslim descendents of bitter Palestinians? What policies will a future muslim dominated government in a muslim dominated Knesset pursue? And what will the muslim dominated Israeli military do with all of those nukes? Or do you imagine that muslim demographics will find an indefinite equilibrium point in the minority?
#backtoreality
Resident Dissident – “Pathetic – they don’t have any valid excuse for the justification for their crimes full stop.”
I was thinking the same thing except that they don’t *need* to justify their crimes. They have reasons that motivate them, they always will, and that’s all they need. The only difference would be the longer time scale and the lower media coverage. All the crimes would happen in a distant fog that would barely register on the I-Give-A-Shit meter.
Glenn powerfully retorts –
“Jemand: “Under Sadam Hussein, everyone lived in “perfect” harmony. Now why do you think that was, professor?”
Catch up, student. Do you think Saddam Hussein actually forced people with different faiths to marry each other?”
So a tiny minority of nominal adherents to violently opposed sects get married and that’s supposed to be titanic proof that the Sunnis and Shia get along just fine without the meddling of evil western forces? You really are an amateur. Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect, Glenn? You see, by your logic, so-called “interracial” marriages in the US should be proof that black and white Americans get along just fine.
What is this with the synced “Assad must go” chorus emanating simultaneously from Cameron,Jubeir and now Obola? Are we being set up for a ground war invasion by the Turkics or is it somekind of warning to Putin to keep away from Syria? Melokowski appears to have been busy on the Mecca body snatchers operation of Iranian personnel, very busy very sensitive operation, no wonder the devil did not turn up at UNGA with some new cartoons ?!
Dang, “Assad must GO” is simply to distract from the body snatchers operation carried out at the Haj, it all makes sense now, including satanyahus absence from key UNGA summit !!
Fedup
30/09/2015 12:16am
You shame me with your faith in human goodness and progress, Fedup. I usually share it.
In 2014, a YouGov poll indicated that a majority of the UK adult population still favoured a reintroduction of the death penalty, by 45% to 39%. However, that was a change from 51% to 37% in 2010. I suppose that is progress, although it hardly seems a matter for rejoicing.
Review the career of Carl Panzram. Would you think it right to leave him alive? My attitude to the death penalty is probably a bit unusual among people of my general outlook, in that I feel that if someone has repeatedly demonstrated that his or her intention is to continue to commit murder, for example of anyone administratively connected with their imprisonment – warders, governors, etc – they may leave the state with no option but to eliminate the risk to the lives of others. There is only one justification for the death penalty and that is to save innocent lives. I do, however, regard that as a justification, at least potentially.
“Also John we must understand that each one of us have failings, but fact is we all strive to overcome our failings and make good the bad bits, and that also is part of our humanity.”
Amen to that. I’m not quite sure about the “all”, but certainly the overwhelming majority of humankind do the best they can with what they have been given.
Thank you.
John
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/13/capital-punishment-50-years-favoured/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram
Wile E Coyote
I think “English Knight” might be back.
J
“jemand the waste of skin, food, resources, and the racist cretin, I will not dignify your brainfarts with a reply.”
But you just did, Fedup. Froth, bubbles, drool and all.
Don’t expect consistency and rationality when reading Fedup’s comments, Jemand- a few hours after castigating you as a ‘waste of skin, food, resources’ he was lecturing Craig’s readers thus-
‘However let us keep our misanthropy in check..’
As one of Fawlty’s guests said of his host- ‘There’s enough material there for an entire conference’.
Felicity Arbuthnot reminds us of Blair’s war crimes and that he has so far escaped trial at the ICC.
Arrest Tony Blair for War Crimes in the Middle East
Petition to UK Parliament: A Few Reasons Why
by Felicity Arbuthnot / September 29th, 2015
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/09/arrest-tony-blair-for-war-crimes-in-the-middle-east/
There is a typo. The name of the ICC chief prosecutor is Fatou Bensouda.
Because as you know currently there is the dogmatism of the militant atheists whose proselytism for conversion of the religious people into none religious persons is all the rage!…
1. Absolutely nothing like the dogmatism of the evangelicals, naturally…”Join My Gang!” is common to humanity: there’s no reason to expect it’s any different for the tiny minority of atheists to which you refer. Most atheists simply sigh deeply at the incompatibility of any testable logical system with having to believe in something mad for fear of going to an (undemonstrable) hell to be eternally punished for using the brain an (undemonstrable) deity gave you. Then they get on with whatever they were doing.
2. The usual standpoint of a proselytising atheist is that the factual content of the theologies he opposes is nil. Therefore there is no reason to believe in them at all, still less to fall out over their differences. Wouldn’t it be great if everyone stopped believing different shades of bollocks? He does his best to make it so. Can’t blame him, personally.
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Re Corbyn coverage: as noted above, it continues to be hostile, and there’s no prospect whatever of that stopping. Too many powerful interests are threatened by the notion that global market capitalism is a crock of shit. Corbyn will be fighting this all the way.
But the financial aspect is important, and how a post-greed society is to remain solvent (ie not starving to death) remains unknown. The aspirations are brilliant: the practical difficulties immense, and the sooner Corbyn can demonstrate some costed solutions, the better.
6.30am Overuse of word ‘muslim’.
PS The word should have a capital M. eg Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist or any other member of a religious faith.
Rick Sterling interprets Shillary’s words and gives us some facts.
The Wicked War on Syria”
Hillary Clinton in Her Own Words
by Rick Sterling / September 29th, 2015
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/09/the-wicked-war-on-syria/
Her book – Hard Choices 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Choices now remaindered for a fiver.
A refugee fleeing Iran need not be Iranian.
So who would he be? Azeri, Baluch, Iranian Arab, Turkmen, Iranian Kurd? I’ve still never heard of any of those among the refugees. Iranian Kurd might be the most probable, as they’ve all had to leave Erbil, there being no more money for the jobs they had.
Baha’i* would be another good guess. Long and specifically persecuted in Iran, the last big wave of those escaping being in the 80’s, I believe. Currently marginalised and mistreated by the regime.
*Syncretist religion, ostensibly combining the Book religions, and regarded as a heresy from Islam. Has a magnificent temple in Jerusalem. Tends to proselytise where free to do so, although its adherents often deny this, and has a following among non-Iranian Westerners.
Mary
30/09/2015 8:53am
Surprisingly perhaps, I am not minded to sign this particular petition.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108495
I will copy and paste the wording of the petition here.
“Petition: Arrest Tony Blair for war crimes in the middle east and misleading the public.
Tony Blair led us into a war, using lies and deception, resulting in the death of thousands of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians. His actions have given rise to instability in the region and terror groups the freedom to rise. He should be arrested and put in prison.
Created by Steven Smith”
I wholly agree with Mr Smith and I applaud his sentiments and his energy for getting up this petition. My difficulty with it is that it is so vague that it will be incredibly easy for the state to hit it for six. We need to know precisely what lies and deception Tony Blair used to lead Parliament into a war, exactly what laws he broke and should be prosecuted under, and how many military and civilian deaths resulted from his actions and under what circumstances. The penultimate sentence should be omitted altogether as it is so vague as to be meaningless. Felicity Arbuthnot’s article gives us a lot of information which would help structure a petition that would be more difficult to dismiss, and of course there is a wealth of information out there which can be used in a similar way.
So I am really grateful to Mr Smith, and very sorry that I feel unable to sign this one. Why don’t I design my own petition, then! In fact, I intend to do just that. Watch this space.
Kind regards,
John
Agree with JS-D. That’s a completely unrealistic petition, based on wishful thinking and sentimentality. Blair is far more likely to be indictable for tax evasion on his own behalf than war crimes supposedly committed in the UK’s interest. That would only change, I think, if some future government of Iraq brought a formal case against him.
However, that is not the only option. Depending on what could be unearthed, a serious and well-placed research team might very well find evidence of tax evasion, misuse of public office, corruption – in both directions, corruptor and corruptee – fraudulent charity machinations, abetting human rights violations in a number of countries, like Kazakhstan, and with luck, treason.
Pushing for the war crimes option is IMO a waste of everyone’s time.
Agree with that in principle. However; lets NOT forget that Iran itself is NOT passive observer either. Realpolitik in its very glory.
I asked Vladimir Putin to save the collapse of the Syrian government based on information known to me and I can disclose that Russia will provide air support to the Syrian army. Thank-you President Putin from the Children of Iraq Association.
I’m afraid Putin let RT know some time before he told you, Mark G…
http://www.rt.com/news/317013-parliament-authorization-troops-abroad/
Mark Golding
So when Putin bombing shit out of people is fine? When US/UK do it, it is crime? Is it not hypocrisy? Or may be Putin is going to fight Ukrainian fascist in Syria? Or has not Dmitriy Kisilev come up with proper abusive cliché?
Mark Golding
I thought that US/UK and other coalition forces in Afghanistan also supported elected government? But no. Only Putin have (according to MWL) right to kill people using air force.
What a wonderful normative approach.
John I was not recommending that petition in particular. I usually put up links to Felicity’s articles as she is such a fount of knowledge on the ME and Iraq in particular.
The fight between Assad and ISIS is a fight neither side can afford to win they rely on each other, that is why the refugees are coming, the battle can’t end any time soon.
It’s a Mexican stand off, nobody is going to make a move.
A good doctor who has stood up against torture.
‘Mandating doctors to attend counter-terrorism workshops: say no’
Further to the editor’s reply, I want to raise a matter of immediate ethical import for doctors. (1) My NHS Trust told us recently that it is mandatory for all staff to attend a so-called Prevent workshop, part of the government’s counter-terrorism strategy. So too all NHS Trusts. The workshops intend to offer guidance on how to identify people who may be vulnerable to ‘radicalisation’ and on how to refer them on. This is to prime us for an activity that is basically a form of spying and of scapegoating, and basically about Muslims. It is of a piece with the era of McCarthyism in 1950s USA, and will end as badly as that era ended.
The security of the UK population might be better protected if the UK government reviewed their policies and alliances in the Middle East. This region has over decades had to endure the unbridled application of Western power undeterred by the human and social destruction and dislocation this has caused. The rights and felt priorities of the civilian populations of the region, even in their millions, have weighed little on the scales by which the USA, UK and Israel in particular have measured their interests.
In my view, the Prevent workshops raise a significant medical ethical issue for doctors. I will be refusing to attend and I call on doctors across the country to do the same.
1. Godlee F. Editor’s reply to Lodhi, Mawas, Waqar, ElSayed and colleagues, Obeidalla and Hamad. BMJ 2015; 351:h4177
Competing interests: No competing interests
29 September 2015
Derek A Summerfield
consultant psychiatrist/honorary senior lecturer
South London & Maudsley NHS Trust/Institute of Psychiatry
CASCAID, Lambeth Hospital, Landor Rd, London SW9 9NT ‘
http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h4025/rr