A Turkish jet shoots down a Russian jet. Parliament votes to send RAF jets into the mix. What could possibly go wrong?
Unfortunately, things do go wrong. Cameron’s 70,000 “moderate rebels” prove either non-existent or crazed pro-Saudi Wahabbists. Mostly they are the very jihadists Russia is attacking, but we are supporting. In the fog of war, another Russian plane is downed. A Russian pilot downs a British jet. With politicians on all sides afloat on the sea of militarist rhetoric, within 24 hours it has spiralled hopelessly out of control.
A nuclear button is pushed. Then another, then another. Life in the UK is wiped out – Stratchlyde first, of course, but eventually everyone. Alone in their Nuclear Biological Chemical bunker, the politicans and senior establishment figures are the last to die. With his final reserve of strength, Cameron crawls over to Corbyn. He does not notice Corbyn is already dead, and with his expiring breath Cameron wheezes out:
“I told you Trident was useful.”
…..there is justification for the use of armed force on humanitarian grounds!
This according to Archbishop of Canterbury. Blessing the weapons again and repeating the madness of WW I and II perhaps?
http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/articles.php/5416/archbishop-of-canterburys-speech-in-lords-debate-on-iraq
And the ghost of Corbyn future wheezes “SNP Baaaaad”.
Cameron is so stupid it’s almost funny. He ought to stick to animal husbandry for his ‘action’..
David Cameron says bombing IS in Syria will make UK ‘safer’
The prime minister denied claims it would make the UK a bigger target for terror attacks, as he made the case for military action, in the Commons.
He told MPs the UK was already a target for IS – and the only way to deal with that was to “take action” now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34927939
Very droll Craig, very droll.
Well apparently Corbyn finds Trident useful as well, he failed to vote against it, even though he’s vice-chairman of CND.
In my opinion a nuclear holocaust is rather fanciful, now a conventional war possibly.
Fail Safe a 1964 movie about nuclear weapons, relays the absurdity of a nuclear war, all sides know theyd be no winners.
This is sleep walking into a world war!!!
The ideology and banksters greed trumps reason and logic that are seen as obstacles to the progression of the ideological war as often seen it is a war on Islam in all but name, and the banksters greed that have hedged the world umpteen times over and in effect have ran out of money and need to produce more destruction and sequestration of resources for free as cash to buy the stuff no longer exists (real cash as opposed to pretend and imaginary cash)!!!
The fact that Russian ss400 system is now covering the Syrian and Iraqi air space itself ought to be a sufficient warning for any wannabe warmonger that the percentile of getting butts handed back to them has just gone up phenomenally! But hey that is for sane people and not the insane tossers totally untethered from actualities busy making their own “reality”.
The nexus of rats knackers in zionists, wahabbist and their bankster sponsors is putting the planet at risk and none seem to understand that the day after their gold and cash stashed away in their respective bolt holes will buy nothing!!!
But hey easy come easy go, aye?
Did you mean pig farming Fredi? 😉
Russian missiles would be detected and tracked the moment they were launched.
Provided a Russian jet didn’t take out the radar at Malatya first that is.
Think you are too dramatic, and expecting too much the end of times..
The covert war which has been going on since at least the sinking of the Kursk by US attack subs will continue, planes will continue to be shot down, countries will continue to be hit by so-called natural disasters, and surprises of all kinds will happen.
Don’t see anyone, except various jihadists, using nuclear weapons except of the lap top kind.
Dr Strangelove’s Music Video
Sneaky Sly Shifty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhtwirqe6Lc
Two very interesting YouTube videos
In the first, one of the “moderate ” rebels who cheerfully admits to shooting the Russian pilot as he came to earth in his parachute is identified as the son of a Turkish mayor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnCWPeFZUxk
In this one two ISIS fighters captured by the Kurds openly state they receive assistance from Saudia Arabia and Turkey, including Turkish doctors and Turkish intelligence officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfX-GkISpGM
Do go if you can. He is marvellous. Has a lovely lilting voice too.
Talk: Dr Mads Gilbert with Scottish PSC
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http://www.palestinecampaign.org/events/talk-dr-mads-gilbert-with-scottish-psc/#sthash.fxuZo5hq.dpuf
Now banned by Israel from returning to Gaza.
“An onslaught, not a conflict”: One year on, Dr Mads Gilbert on operating under siege in Gaza
“I don’t want to be muted. I want to speak up…”
Jul 8th 2015,
“IT TAKES A personal toll… I have of course a family that is worried. “But they are used to it… I’ve been working in Gaza throughout the last four Israeli attacks.
http://www.thejournal.ie/mads-gilbert-gaza-2202939-Jul2015/
“Order, order! Will the right honorable member for Mecca south please stop brandishing that sword!”
“Russian missiles would be detected and tracked the moment they were launched.
Provided a Russian jet didn’t take out the radar at Malatya first that is.”
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Fred, if Stanislav Petrov, has anything to do with the Russian’s attitude to launching nukes, then it won’t be Russia who kicks off first.
On another matter Russia has set up a sophisticated ground to air missile system to protect its jets in Syria.
Sorry again O/T Dr Mads also at Glenrothes tomorrow and Glasgow Saturday.
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/o/scottish-palestine-solidarity-campaign-8444581160?s=46302537
A hug for him from me.
I hope that Sir Martin and his linkings are not going to give us more guff on the need of saving Western civilization.
And the guff about missile shields hardly applies when attack subs can get to your shores, and launch short range, nuclear missiles with devastating effect.
Erdogan denies Turkey buys any oil from Islamic State
“They claim Turkey is buying oil from Daesh,” Erdogan said in Ankara, using another name for IS. “Shame on you. Those who claim we buy oil from Daesh are obliged to prove it. If not, you are slanderer.”
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000183699/erdogan-denies-turkey-buys-any-oil-from-islamic-state?
Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey’s President
Russia’s Sergey Lavrov is not one foreign minister known to mince his words. Just earlier today, 24 hours after a Russian plane was brought down by the country whose president three years ago said “a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack”, had this to say: “We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation” by Turkey.
But even that was tame compared to what Lavrov said to his Turkish counterparty Mevlut Cavusoglu earlier today during a phone call between the two (Lavrov who was supposed to travel to Turkey has since canceled such plans).
As Sputnik transcribes, according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, “by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS.”
It was in this context when Lavrov added that “Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective.”
More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:
“The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there.”
Others reaffirmed Lavrov’s stance, such as retired French General Dominique Trinquand, who said that “Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people,” he said.
The reason we find this line of questioning fascinating is that just last week in the aftermath of the French terror attack but long before the Turkish downing of the Russian jet, we wrote about “The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking” in which we asked who is the one “breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various “western alliance” governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has?”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president
Israeli Colonel caught with IS pants down
William Engdahl
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/25/israeli-colonel-caught-with-is-pants-down/
NEO — THIS was definitely not supposed to happen. It seems that an Israeli military man with the rank of colonel was “caught with IS pants down.” By that I mean he was captured amid a gaggle of so-called IS–or Islamic State or ISIS or DAESH depending on your preference–terrorists, by soldiers of the Iraqi army. Under interrogation by the Iraqi intelligence, he apparently has said a lot regarding the role of Netanyahu’s IDF in supporting IS.
In late October an Iranian news agency, quoting a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, reported the capture of an Israeli army colonel, named Yusi Oulen Shahak, reportedly related to the ISIS Golani Battalion operating in Iraq in the Salahuddin front.
In a statement to Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency a Commander of the Iraqi Army stated, “The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel.” He added that the IDF colonel “had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group’s terrorist operations.” He said the colonel was arrested together with a number of ISIL or IS terrorists, giving the details:
“The Israeli colonel’s name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade …with the security and military code of RE34356578765-AZ231434.”
Why Israel?
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Turkey Is Lying
Paul Craig Roberts
We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.
One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.
A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!
A third reason is that, assuming Turkey’s claim of a 17 second airspace violation is true, 17 seconds is not long enough for a Turkish pilot to get clearance for such a serious and reckless act as shooting down a Russian military aircraft. If the SU-24 was flying at a normal speed rather than one that would be unable to keep the aircraft aloft, the alleged airspace violation would not have been long enough to be noticed. A shootdown had to have been pre-arranged. The Turks, knowing that the Russians were foolishly trusting to the agreement that there be no air to air encounters, told pilots to look for an opportunity. In my recent article, I gave a reason for this reckless act:
We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.
One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.
A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/25/turkey-is-lying-paul-craig-roberts/
Nice one, Craig!
A question for anyone who wonders which nation would ever be mad enough to ‘push the red button’…
Which nation is the only one ever to have done so?
To anyone finding the idea of a nuclear holocaust ‘fanciful’…
Read Ron Rosenbaum’s “How The End Begins”.
“And the guff about missile shields hardly applies when attack subs can get to your shores, and launch short range, nuclear missiles with devastating effect.”
Just saying, the NATO missile defence radar at Malatya is only 100 miles from the Syrian border, a Russian jet can do knocking on 2,000 mph and their missiles quite a bit more than that.
Cameron says Britain would contribute at least £1bn to post-conflict reconstruction in Syria
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/nov/26/cameron-statement-syria-isis-air-strikes-not-a-sign-of-weakness-politics-live
More funny money!?
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Damien Lewis MP is looking for the ‘70,000’ . Chairman of the Defence Select Committee. The measure of Cameron.
It would be hilarious If it wasn’t so serious.
The Junior Doctors strike in England.
2.5Million families worse off.
@Republicofscotland
26 Nov, 2015 – 2:05 pm
Never underestimate the stupidity of the human race.
Ex-British-ambassador-to-Syria
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/07/david-cameron-failure-fuelled-british-jihadism
More from Peter Ford.
http://www.freecriticalthinking.org/daily-pickings/1547-home-truths-from-ex-british-ambassador-to-syria
….They will surely suffer terribly (as they already are) if action goes ahead.
Yes indeed they will but in the end how did you vote?
http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/articles.php/5125/syria-archbishops-speech-in-the-house-of-lords#sthash.Q9DJc6g2.dpuf
“Never underestimate the stupidity of the human race.”
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Rob-G.
I can’t argue with that.
Of course, the average joe will always be stupid if he is generally presented with false accounts about anything controversial and important, and often lied to.
“The Turks are buying oil, from ISIL.
We have proof that almost all oil, exported by Islamic State, is going directly to Turkish refineries.”
Francois Fillon, former PM of France under Sarkozy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y5f0PXAyoU
Looks like Turkey is being set up to take the heat off the West and Saudi and Qatar etc, who themselves were by far the greater providers of support to ISIS.
This Turkish/ISIS oil meme will no doubt dominate headlines for weeks to come, whilst the West and more important others escape scrutiny.
I’m afraid it’s now beginning to look like the shooting down of the Russian plane had something of the April Glaspies about it.
Poor old Erdogan, eh. Don’t mix it with the maestros.
A military coup should be pro-Western, and yet Erdogan had been reasonably close to Russia.
It’d be quite weird to think Putin in on the plan, for all sorts of obvious reasons.
But.
” post-conflict reconstruction”
There you are Clare Short, try saying that to dad’s army without your false teeth.