Wikileaks – Choose Your Side of the Barricade 452


Today Julian reaches precisely five years of incarceration in the Ecuadorean Embassy and I am on the train down to London for events to mark the anniversary. Given that two days ago I couldn’t make it to my balcony, I feel quite chuffed with my powers of recovery.

Yesterday I wrote that Corbyn’s advance has removed the “unelectable policies” excuse from New Labour and they have now to decide whether they are actually socialist or have adopted neo-liberalism out of belief.

Precisely the same faux-left now face precisely the same challenge over Julian Assange and WikiLeaks. The “sexual allegations” never stood up to five minutes’ serious analysis, but they served their purpose brilliantly for some years. They enabled the “left” of the political establishment completely to evade the question of whether they supported whistleblowers on war crimes and corruption, or whether they supported official secrecy and the spiralling authoritarianism that defends the neo-liberals.

There is now only one active question with regard to Julian Assange. Do you think he should be extradited to the United States to face espionage charges and life imprisonment for publishing the Chelsea Manning Iraq war crime revelations, and for assisting Edward Snowden to escape? Because that is now the only legal jeopardy he faces.

All the faux-left who dodged that question now have to answer it.

Assange is wanted by the Metropolitan Police for what they themselves have called the “minor charge” of missing a bail appointment. It is indeed a minor charge, normally dealt with by a fine, particularly as the extradition request relating to the bail order is no longer in force. Assange’s defence is that he did not skip bail to run away, but to seek an alternative legal remedy – the political asylum process. That this latter has priority is proven by the fact that there are numerous people granted asylum in the UK who face “criminal” charges in their home country. Fear of persecution – often by unjust prosecution – is of course the basis of asylum.

But even ignoring this solid defence, there are many thousand people in the UK today who have missed bail. Julian Assange is the only one of those thousands with a permanent roster of plain clothes detectives keeping watch 24 hours a day. Why, when there are no longer any allegations for him to face? There is no open and honest logic to it.

The answer of course is that Theresa May and Amber Rudd have plans firmly in place for Assange to be arrested and incarcerated, while extradition to the United States is quickly arranged. That is why a man wanted on nothing but a “minor charge” has more police resources devoted to him than any murderer. Again I ask – which side are you on?

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452 thoughts on “Wikileaks – Choose Your Side of the Barricade

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  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    The killing of DNC employee Seth Rich makes it more difficult to choose sides with WikiLeaks as a D.C. Profiling Project has claimed that it was a professional hit, but it failed to prevent the hacked emails from going to the site, suggesting apparently that its supporters did it to set up Clinton for it while she was early in the process of getting elected.

    • MJ

      Or he passed the material to a trusted third party (who then gave it to Craig) before he was killed.

      • Trowbridge H. Ford

        Why do the mods want to protect CM in this matter by deleting my post when Trump was then in love with WikiLeaks, and Rich’s murder was a set up of the Clintons in the hope that Russian hackers would find evidence of their crimes?

        • glenn_uk

          Maybe it’s because the mods themselves carried out the “hit” because they’re secretly working for the Clintons, eh Trowbridge?

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            Never thought that the mods could shoot straight. Just working for convenient cover ups, and even I don’t work for the Clintons because they had Leon Panetta both as their Chief of Staff and Obama’s DCI arrange my murder in Portugal and Sweden..

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            Because I had regular cyclical seizures of vomittting, heat rushes, diahrhea, dizziness,etc. after eating at a Portuguese restaurant, halping make me emigrate to Sweden where I finally fell unconscious during one, though they ultimately stopped as I had no more poisoned meals.

            Then an uncover guy tried to get rid of me like Litvinenko though I refused to drink it.

            Then Panetta had a CIA hit squad hunting me down there, but its Security Service forced it to leave the country gefore it succeeded.

          • glenn_uk

            Sorry, Trowbridge, slight misunderstanding – my fault for not being more clear.

            I actually meant what makes you think Rich’s murder, the most recent one, was actually a politically motivated assassination.

            You’ve mentioned the attempts on your own life before… just be very careful out there, it sounds like you’re taking good precautions though.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            What better way to set up Hillary for the hit beforehand than killing one of her subordinates who was handling the sought out emails in the hope of proving through hacking Russian that she was?

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          How about the most convenient, sudden deaths of Richard and Robert Peurifoy in December 2016 and March 2017?

          Robert, a former chief scientist at Sandia, spoke to Newsweek in August 2016 about Trump being nute for his comments about nuclear weapons.

          His son was apparently killed to warn him about what his prospects were if he complained about it more, and Robert was killed so crooked NM Representative Heather Wilson could be appointed Secretary of the Air Force.

  • Republicofscotland

    I’ve already commented on the Great Satan’s shooting down of a Syrian airforce jet. The USA has NO legal authority to shoot down a Syrian government jet over Syrian territory.

    Who the hell do they think they are, that US foreign policy can attack a sovereign nations airforce in its own country, without any approval from the UN, EU or any globally recognised body.

    Indeed from what I can gather from reports the Syrian jet was attacking terrorist strongholds in Raqqa. A supposedly common enemy, of Syrian and US forces.

    However, in my opinion it’s more likely that the Syrian jet was shot down because it was about to attack pro-coalition terrorists backed by the Great Satan and her minions.

    Meanwhile the Great Satan is to send 4000 troops to Afghanistan, in a bid to halt Taliban activity, even though there’s been more Green on Blue attacks in Afghanistan in recent times.

    Trump often claims that extremist ideology needs to be stamped out, the Great Satan, has been pedalling a form of extreme ideology for several decades now. Whilst alowing other extremist nations such as Saudi Arabia and Israel, to pedal there own neferious forms of ideology as well.

    • Republicofscotland

      According to one MP Grenfell tower residents are sleeping rough, with nowhere to go. The claim is that some are only receiving £10 per day to survive on, others are fearful of losing their benefits, if they accept the government’s £5,500 relief cash.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-survivors-sleeping-rough-kensington-cars-parks-mp-emma-dent-coad-a7799506.html

      The Grenfell tower fire has in my opinion severely damaged Theresa May’s already jaded popularity ratings.

      • frankywiggles

        In most civilised countries it would be enough to bury the Tories for a generation.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        It used to be the case, and maybe still is (correction welcome) that if you were ineligible for benefit on the grounds of having savings, you became eligible when the savings were spent.

    • Ishmael

      Does seem clear they are engaged on both sides.

      America needs to get the hell out of the middle east, period.

      • Republicofscotland

        Ishmael.

        If someone came into your house and shot your dog, then claimed it was in self-defence, wouldn’t you be outraged?

        So why is there no global outcry when the US and its coalition forces, shoot down a Syrian jet over Syrian territory, the US has no mandate to be in Syria in the first place.

        Would we allow the US to carry out a similar act in Europe? Or Britain for that matter?

        Why does the world keep on buying the old chestnut story of the US is hunting out extremists or terrorists that have/could do harm to America or Americans.

        • Ba'al Zevul

          Because it (the US) can. No further explanation required. (Practical) suggestions as to how a world can be engineered in which the US can’t…would be ecstatically received.

          • Republicofscotland

            Baal

            Yes I understand that, it can, the big question is why does the rest of the worl allow it?

            Of coure the usual answers will come to the fore, fear of upsetting trade between the US and other nations.

            The US has a huge military force, which other nations darent upset.

            The US spends, gives, billions around the globe, in funding, aid etc, lets no upset the golden goose mentality.

            I’d add that the US, gets away with its behaviour around the globe, because we (the rest of the world) allow it to do so.

          • glenn_uk

            RoS: In the US there are very powerful lobbyists, particularly from the arms “defence” industry, the gun lobby in the form of the NRA, and other really nice players like that.

            They’ll ask you nicely to see things their way. If you do, you’ll be rewarded. If not, they’ll point out that your opponent in the coming election (or even a challenger to your position in the same party) might well see things their way – you can have $1M towards your election campaign, or your opponent can have it, for example.

            It makes them difficult to oppose. The US acts in much the same manner on a global scale. If the US puts its rather hefty thumb on the scale when a government is weighing up whether to support US foreign policies, these governments are very likely to turn a blind one to US aggression.

            The US is rather big on interfering in elections, and we’re not just talking about Central America, it’s global. Of course, it’s absolutely outrageous if any country even thought about interfering in US elections.

          • Exray

            RoS; Because the Great Satan remains the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons; who wants to be the next Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

        • Ishmael

          Yea, good points.

          And we in western Europe really have no excuses not to stand up to the US. Far less than others anyway.

          • Salford Lad

            The US is a dying Empire. Syria is its last throw of the dice. The Empire is centred on the petrodollar and its recycling via US Treasury bonds to finance the US budget.
            The steep drop in the price of a barrell of oil to circa $45 from $147 has had a knock-on effect on the dollar recycling and Saudi Arabia is also effected by the drop in their income.
            Russia and China now trade in Yuan and rubles, bypassing the dollar.
            Saddam and Ghadaffi died because of their attempts to circumvent the dollar,among other reasons.
            The New Silk Roads (One Belt -One Road) will transit Asia to Europe. using multi currency trading. This route ,mothballs the US Navy and its control of the choke points on the Maritime routes.
            Cutting and controlling this route is Washingtons long term plan.The plan has been stymied in the killing fields of Syria. The next objective on the route to Central Asia, Iran is on hold.
            The crisis in Qatar is based on the Qatari Got giving up on the gas pipeline via Syria to Europe.The Russians have nixed this plan.
            The realpoltik/money interests in Qatar now intend to hook-up their gas to the Iranian pipeline and go East to India and China. Their South Parrs gas and Irans North Dome share the same reservoir.
            Another defeat for US interests in the Gulf and another nail in the Empires coffin.They are desperate and will lash out in unpredictable ways. The Exceptional Nation is coming in for a hard landing along with its Manifest Destiny.

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile a senior figure in the DUP, has said that negotiations with the Conservstive party have stalled, and that the DUP cannot be taken for granted, in ongoing discussions.

    One wonders what exactly the DUP requires from the Tory government, when they still can’t reach an accord. However Theresa May doesn’t have her troubles too seek.

    Here’s one of them, as BoE governor Mark Carney, confirms that Brits WILL definitely be worse off after Brexit.

    Carney added, leaving the EU will result in weaker income, slow growth job losses and price rises.

    As we didn’t know that already.

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/15359814.Bank_of_England_governor_Mark_Carney_confirms_the_UK_will_be_poorer_after_Brexit/

  • reel guid

    Included in the Queen’s Speech is the proposed Nuclear Safeguards Bill. The Tories want to take the UK out of the European Atomic Energy Community or Euratom for short. To transfer the Euratom regulatory powers to the UK’s Office of Nuclear Regulation.

    There’s no need for brexit to mean the UK has to leave Euratom. Although all EU states are automatically members it remains separate from the EU and has non-EU Switzerland as an associate member. A post brexit UK could easily have chosen to stay as a member on the same basis as Switzerland.

    The Nuclear Industry Association is warning that leaving Euratom so soon will cause chaos. They’re perhaps thinking more about chaos in economic terms as regards joint projects. But what about chaos as regards safety standards?

    Even less reassuring is the fact that the Office of Nuclear Regulation reports to the notorious Department of Work and Pensions.

    • Republicofscotland

      reel guid.

      Indeed a very valid and somewhat daunting point. In which the FT really hits home with this article, in which it foresaw Britain’s possible, (now a reality) withdrawal from Euratom.

      “Perched on a remote stretch of coastline in north-west England is Europe’s most dangerous building. Inside the innocuous-sounding Product Finishing and Storage Facility at the Sellafield nuclear plant is enough plutonium for about 20,000 nuclear bombs.”

      https://www.ft.com/content/9b99159e-ff2a-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30

  • reel guid

    John Godfrey, the head of Theresa May’s policy unit has quit. Better things to do I suppose. Like hang around with sane people.

  • Johnstone

    phycological manipulation of public opinion so won’t justify a grand jury PI.. Grenfell Tower death toll still lower than Lockerbie even Hillsborough (not really).

  • Paul Barbara

    This is the reason Julian Assange didn’t make his statement from the balcony:
    ‘On the advice of Mr. Assange’s legal counsel today’s planned announcement by Mr. Assange from the balcony of the Ecuadorian embassy has been deferred.
    This follows the agreement of an imminent meeting with British authorities.
    Mr. Assange’s team optimistic that a satisfactory outcome can be found which respects the British legal process and restores Mr. Asssange’s freedom and dignity

    • Peter Beswick

      Mr. Assange’s team optimistic that a satisfactory outcome can be found which respects the British legal process and restores Mr. Asssange’s freedom and dignity”

      Good luck with that one!

      There is no respectable legal process any more (even the show of it in the past has been exposed as a pantomime”

      Nobody except the squadies & marines have been held to account for a criminal act the considered their duty.

      Legal process my fucking arse! There is no law in Britain anymore that can be relied upon by the people who fund it.

      The consequence of that is being felt now and depending how hot the weather gets this summer civil disturbance will escalate in the UK, US and Europe.

      The ruling class changed the rules, now we will see the result

      Dr David Kelly has still not had his death legally registered (after 14 years) because it would mean a coroner had to look at the evidence.

      Labour in league with Tories prevented proper investigation in all the US led atrocities in recent years.

      This is not what politicians and civil servants to do with our taxes funding wonderful salaries and pensions

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          Of course, the problem with Dr. Kelly is who so ambushed him that the had so many injuries on this body from fighting it that he had to be moved by helicopter by the TVP from along to Thames to apeaceful spot on Harrowdown Hill so that the public might believe he committed suicide..

        • Peter Beswick

          Fred

          A interim Death Certificate was issued to allow disposal of the body.

          The law (then) required a number of administration functions to be executed (no pun intended)

          The Coroner should have been informed of the inquiry’s (Hutton’s) conclusion and if there was no new evidence to suggest otherwise then Hutton’s ruling should have been reflected in the final Death Certificate and the inquest close formerly.

          The Coroner did not take Hutton’s word for it as it was a lie, he didn’t rule on the Cause of Kelly’s death (as required by law).
          The Coroner did not formally close the inquest (as required by law) he abandoned it, ruling himself to be functus officio.

          Hutton had no legal power to rule on the Cause of Death, only a Coroner or Jury (if one sits) has that authority. Hutton had neither qualification, authority, nor experience to rule on the Cause of Death.

          For a Coroner to conclude a suicide verdict the findings (as with murder) has to meet a standard of proof; that of Beyond Reasonable Doubt. Hutton applied zero standard of proof; witnesses were not required (and Hutton had no legal power to enforce) to give evidence under oath allowing witnesses (including police officers) to lie with no fear of committing perjury.
          No cross examination of witnesses took place, no second opinions sought. Intent is a corner stone of a suicide verdict (as in murder) no intent was proven, the only evidence that was given by one psychiatrist (not the one kept secret from the inquiry), that intent was displayed by Kelly having removed his spectacles and watch, he did not explore the possibility that someone else may have removed these items and placed them with the water bottle, cap and knife On The Wrong Side Of The Body.

          Today murders are a much simpler to cover up as the law was changed so that a Coroner must now record a verdict that does not disagree with an Inquiry’s conclusion. So much so that the law was rewritten specifically for an event where if an inquiry finds a suicide conclusion then if a Coroner MUST record a suicide verdict, even when there is new evidence to prove murder.

          • fred

            It isn’t uncommon for an inquest to be adjourned and not reopened. In a criminal case the inquest will be adjourned till after a trial and if the coroner considers the relevant facts have come to light in the trial there is no obligation for him to re-open the inquest.

            This this all quite normal and legal, the death was legally registered.

          • Peter Beswick

            Fred
            “It isn’t uncommon for an inquest to be adjourned and not reopened”

            That is simply not true!

            Rule 16 (Coroners Rules 1984)

            “Every inquest shall be opened, adjourned and closed in a formal manner. ”

            http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1984/552/contents/

            “In a criminal case the inquest will be adjourned till after a trial and if the coroner considers the relevant facts have come to light in the trial there is no obligation for him to re-open the inquest.”

            Again simply not true, for a coroner to formally receive the findings of a trial / inquiry s/he must formally reopen the inquest in order to accept evidence and complete the process, produce the paperwork for the death to be properly registered and the the inquest to be formally closed.

            “This this all quite normal and legal, the death was legally registered.”

            No it isn’t! You are talking out of your hat.

            The interim death certificate was completed before Hutton took any evidence, the “Place of Death” was not known to the Coroner so the interim certificate states “”Found dead at Harrowdown Hill” a phrase usually reserved for something like a river drowning where entry into the river / place of death cannot to accurately determined .

            Hutton found that Kelly died at Harrowdown Hill, in the normal course of events this would be sent to the Coroner who would change the “Found” for (Place of) on the final certificate.

            No final certificate was sent, Kelly’s death remains legally unregistered.

            The original inquest is now void, a new one can only be opened if the High Court says so, they can only do this if an agent of the Crown requests that action (normally the Attorney General). Successive governments have refused to send the request to the High Court for the matter to reach closure and put right the criminal wrong doing that has led to the situation we have today.

            Fred you of course are entitled to your own opinion but when it is made out of ignorance then you just make yourself look silly.

            The changes in the law since Kelly’s death means for matters to be corrected the law must be changed again before a Coroner can honestly accept new evidence and reach a verdict, which isn’t going to happen because the law has been corrupted and the criminal ruling class do not want the extent of the corruption exposed.

          • fred

            “Rule 16 (Coroners Rules 1984)”

            Amendment to the Coroners Rules Act 1988 added to the bill 22 June 1999.

            ADJOURNMENT OF INQUEST IN EVENT OF JUDICIAL INQUIRY

            17A.—(1) If on an inquest into a death the coroner is informed by the Lord Chancellor before the conclusion of the inquest that—

            (a) a public inquiry conducted or chaired by a judge is being, or is to be, held into the events surrounding the death; and
            (b) the Lord Chancellor considers that the cause of death is likely to be adequately investigated by the inquiry,
            the coroner shall, in the absence of any exceptional reason to the contrary, adjourn the inquest and, if a jury has been summoned, may, if he thinks fit, discharge them.


            (4) A coroner may only resume an inquest which has been adjourned in compliance with subsection (1) above if in his opinion there is exceptional reason for doing so; and he shall not do so—

            (6) Where a coroner does not resume an inquest which he has adjourned in compliance with subsection (1) above, he shall (without prejudice to subsection (2) above) send to the registrar of deaths a certificate under his hand stating any findings of the public inquiry in relation to the death.”

          • Peter Beswick

            If the legal conditions to resume the inquest are not met (with their consequences) the Coroner still has to resume the inquest to rule on the verdict s/he still has to resume it to accept the “non evidence” And close it.

            This has yet to be done

      • Tony_0pmoc

        Peter Beswick, You don’t half get about – did you do physics? Anyhow give a wave to our friend John Ward – I think he’s copped off (scouse expression) in Paris.

        Tony

      • Peter Beswick

        The law now

        (If a Coroner sees new evidence that suggests murder s/he must reject it if an inquiry came to a false conclusion of suicide, the Coroner must register the death as suicide)

        “119.Paragraph 9(11) prevents the resumed senior coroner’s investigation from reaching a conclusion which is inconsistent with the outcome of the inquiry which triggered the suspension or any criminal proceedings that had to be concluded before it could be resumed. For example, if the outcome of an inquiry was a finding that a particular individual had committed suicide, a senior coroner’s investigation cannot conclude that the particular individual was unlawfully killed.”

        Explanatory Notes
        Coroners and Justice Act 2009

        http://legislation.data.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/25/notes/data.htm?wrap=true

        The law then and now (NB last paragraph)

        http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110628102955/http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.uk/Publications/Documents/Gardiner%20to%20AGO%206%20May%202011.pdf

  • fred

    Senior Scottish ministers have held private meetings with the fracking firm Ineos and Grangemouth executives from China five times in 13 months, The Ferret can reveal.

    Briefings released by the Scottish Government under freedom of information law show that in 2016 the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon met Ineos boss Jim Ratcliffe and Chinese businessmen who are involved in helping to run the Grangemouth refinery.

    https://theferret.scot/scottish-ministers-fracking-firm-ineos/

    See you can find out what the government has been up to without whistleblowers.

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      Murders made into looking like suicides became HMG’s preferred way of getting rid of troublemakers like Mike Todd, Gareth Williams and Gudrun Loftus. Much better than poisoning like using polonium-210, Meir Dagan’s way in the Mossad, in getting rid of Sasha Litvinenko and Assar Arafat.

    • Stu

      Our two resident SNP cheerleaders will no doubt be delighted to see Ratcliffe has a direct line to the Scottish government.

      • Republicofscotland

        Oh don’t worry Stu according to you Radcliffe is irrelevant, stick to trees Stu, you’re way out of your depth.

    • Republicofscotland

      So the moratorium on fracking has been lifted then? Oh wait it hasn’t, it would political suicide for the SNP to do so. However Ineos account for a billion quid investment in Scotland (accirding to your link) and many many jobs, so the SNP needs to placate such major investors.

      As for China and any deals, the SNP came with a inch of brokering a £10 million pound deal with a Chinese firm that would’ve created many jobs.

      However those other useless b*stards at Holyrood, Labour/Tories/Libdems put a kibosh to the deal, by constantly harping on about the Chinese company’s reputation. The Chinese company pulled out of the deal, and guess what. The stupid b*stards began complaining that the SNP, had cost Scotland a £10 million pounds deal.

      • Kempe

        You should be asking why the SNP tried to keep the deal secret (it only came to light via the Chinese MSM), why the Norwegian Oil fund dropped and blacklisted one of the Chinese companies involved because of “gross corruption” back in 2015 and why the SNP appear not to have noticed or not to have cared.

        Do you really think the SNP are serving the Scottish people by becoming involved in sham deals with dodgy outfits such as these? If so no more criticism of UK deals with Qatar, Saudis etc.

        • Republicofscotland

          What sham deals do you mean? Please elaborate, by providing a link to sham deals the SNP made.

          Do you mean deals like Westminster selling weapons, cluster bombs, etc to Saudi Arabia to kill women and children in Yemen. Or Westminster selling weapons to Bahrain to suppress and kill its citizens.

          Or even Israel robbing American taxpayers of their hard earned tax dollars to supply the apartheid oppressive military state with modern weapons to kill and suppress the Palestinian people.

          Is that the kind of sham deals you mean?

          • Republicofscotland

            They pulled out of the deal once the Chinese firms failings became apparent. So no deal was made, so its not a sham deal is it?

            A memorandum of understanding (MOU) is a *nonbinding* agreement between two or more parties outlining the terms and details of an understanding, including each parties’ requirements and responsibilities. An MOU is often the first stage in the formation of a formal contract.

            I see you didn’t decry my sentence on Israel, I assume you agree with me on that one as well.

          • Kempe

            I ignored your rant about Israel because it was irrelevant.

            So you now agree the SNP did the right thing by pulling out once the nature of the Chinese firms became apparent? Actually it was the Chinese who pulled out but never mind. The Norwegian Oil fund blacklisted one of the firms a year before the SNP signed the MOU; why didn’t the SNP pick up on this? They needn’t have signed the deal at all and again, why the secrecy?

            Scotland has a £1.8 billion defence industry which employs nearly 13,000 people. Westminster arms deals are therefore potentially good for Scottish jobs. If you’re not worried about the SNP’s potential Chinese partners and their well documented human rights abuses why get so upset about selling arms to the Saudis etc?

            http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/scottish-firms-attend-worlds-biggest-2242578

          • Republicofscotland

            “If you’re not worried about the SNP’s potential Chinese partners and their well documented human rights abuses why get so upset about selling arms to the Saudis etc?”

            There’s a world of difference between, potentially signing a deal with a firm with a poor HR record, and selling cluster bombs to a known extremist country such as Saudi Arabia, that goes on to kill defenceless women and children in Yemen.

            Yes Scots jobs rely on armaments components such as Thales, which produces the optics for targetting. However, it’s Westminster that sells the ready to use armaments to rogue nations such ad Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.

            You ignored my truthful Israeli comment because, you had no reply to the poser, that would’ve been believable.

          • Republicofscotland

            From your link.

            “The bombs and their navigation systems are made in pieces at sites around the world – including at the plant in
            Glenrothes – before being assembled in the US.”

            So who’s selling the assembled bombs in the US to Israel?

          • Kempe

            If nobody sold the completed weapons there’d be no work for the Scottish companies who make parts for them. Conversely if those Scottish companies didn’t make the parts the bombs would be incomplete and unsalable.

            Scotland still has blood on it’s hands over these deals.

        • JOML

          Yes, Kempe, the SNP tried to keep the deal secret by inviting photographers to the signing of the MoU. The uproar from the opposition at the signing was only matched by the uproar by the same opposition over no subsequent deal materialising – highlighting that the opposition to the SNP is pathetic and full of shit. The SNP would have to raise their game if there was a decent opposition, and I’d welcome that. However…. no to a second referendum is all that could be mustered over the last couple of years.

  • Sharp Ears

    FYI

    What is DiEM25?

    DiEM25 is a pan-European, cross-border movement of democrats.
    We believe that the European Union is disintegrating. Europeans are losing their faith in the possibility of European solutions to European problems. At the same time as faith in the EU is waning, we see a rise of misanthropy, xenophobia and toxic nationalism.

    If this development is not stopped, we fear a return to the 1930s. That is why we have come together despite our diverse political traditions – Green, radical left, liberal – in order to repair the EU. The EU needs to become a realm of shared prosperity, peace and solidarity for all Europeans. We must act quickly, before the EU disintegrates.

    Read the Manifesto
    https://diem25.org/what-is-diem25/

    I see Julian and Yanis in the thumbnails.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Sharp Ears, How do I get my thumbnail up there. I have bought Yanis’s book – just not read it yet.

    • Salford Lad

      The EU is akin to a Juggernaut ,it can not be changed or reformed, it is set on its course and will collapse because of the contradiction of its Euro currency, after it has wrecked the economies of many of its constituents, except Germany, with its neo-liberal and austerity policies.

  • reel guid

    Tory MEP Ian Duncan is now also a Scottish Office Minister courtesy of an autocratic and insulting ennoblement by Theresa May. Going against the narrow but clear decision of the voters of Perth & North Perthshire.

    So not only does he get rewarded for electoral failure with a job in government and a title. But Lord Duncy, it turns out, has a PhD in paleontology. So he even gets the fun of studying fossils all day in the House of Lords.

      • Republicofscotland

        Jeez.

        Shatnersrug.

        It only applies to working dogs, where in certain circumstances the working dogs tail could become trapped or damaged.

        • Tony_0pmoc

          That’s bollocks. Are all The Males Circumsized too? Leave the dogs alone. Do you weird people do that to cats too?
          Is their anything more we need to know about the SNP?

          • JOML

            There’s a similar approach in England&Wales… so perhaps you did type “bollocks”.
            “Under the Animal Welfare Act 2006, docking was banned in England and Wales. However an exemption was put in place for Spaniels, Terriers and Hunt, Point and Retrieve breeds that are used to work. Under the Regulations, a dog is officially a working dog if a vet has certified that the dog is likely to be used for work in connection with the following:
            – See more at: http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/our-resources/media-centre/issue-statements/tail-docking/#sthash.QmNkMAtL.dpuf

          • Republicofscotland

            JOML.

            Thank you the voice of reason, working dogs can become caught up in hedges or fences or man made obstacles, and suffer damage to their tails. Ratter dogs or retrievers can become entangled or stuck whilst chasing or retrieving prey or vermin.

          • Tony_0pmoc

            I know shepherd dogs earn their keep. I think they are brilliant. Do you guys chop their tails off too?? So what category of working dogs are you talking about…Police dogs???..do you chop their tails off??..Security dogs ???

            Or do you just chop the tails off hunting dogs??? just wondering.

            I’m not an expert in dogs. I much prefer cats.

            Tony

          • Republicofscotland

            Tony after reading your 20.01pm comment, I figured as a bit of a pussy-man. 😀

            Seriously Tony, read JOML link, it won’t bite. 😀

        • Shatnersrug

          That’s horseshit ROS, this is to exempt hunting dogs so they can go galloping over lord Fucknot’s fields tearing small creatures limb from limb a there is no excuse for mutilating animals to fit into what we deem correct.

          When my beloved party fuck up – which they do – repeatedly, I call them out on it. You should call yours out – it will make them stronger. Trust me, allow them to get away with small, and before you know it, they’ll be trying to compete with Tories. Keep your eyes on them and you critical factor and you might have some chance of keeping the career politicians out and the party on the straight and narrow.

  • Brianfujisan

    Earlier In the Thread, Sqounk Mentioned LBC..

    So, Whilst I have been thinking of the Criminality of having Money wasted on Plain clothes Police keeping an eye on J.A. A Lot of Money in 5 years … GLENFELL –
    James OBrien on LBC –

    “OK are you ready for this? In 2014, the leader of Kensington and Chelsea council, Nicholas Paget-Brown, wrote to all residents to pay their council tax in full…

    “Anyone who had paid their council tax in full, I think in the top band, received a letter from the leader of the Kensington and Chelsea council explaining that they would all receive, you might want to sit down for this…I suspect this letter dropped through the letter boxes of Kensington and Chelsea residents, residents of the richest borough in the country, the richest residents, of the richest country, received this letter at about the time catastrophic cladding was being attached to the side of a tower block.”

    The letter said that these residents would receive a one-off payment of £100 to be deducted from their council tax bill.

    “The bonus was due to the council’s ‘careful management of its finances’ over the years. This, while… catastrophic cladding was being stuck to the side of the building in order to save five grand. Wow.”

    ” £42 million to Surplus “..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-028sRRPzA

      • Brianfujisan

        You are Correct It has Not got better Tony, No

        And look how much worse it has got.. They Get away with Murder..and Mass murder..They are so Fkn High n Mighty ..With All that help, lies from bbC MsM.. Thank goodness I was away in the wilds awhile.. Over in the Highlands.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Despite the fact that she was dressed like an EU flag (I suspect she does have a sense of humour), I thought the Queen’s Speech was pretty good. I’ve seen Jeremy Corbyn’s too…why did the tories keep interrupting him with nonsense. they just made themselves look not just incredibly stupid – but infantile.

    Why doesn’t Theresa May just resign and call another General election?

    We are out of the EU. We have already voted on that – and Jeremy Corbyn will negotiate a far better deal than a totally discredited Tory Government.

    Tony

    • Adam Burgess

      Jeremy is the sort of chap who would turn up at a car showroom and start by saying, “Just to let you know, whatever the outcome of this negotiation, I will definitely be buying this car”.

      • Nick

        Considering the crap he has put up with from the plp and media in last two years…and come through it stronger with principles intact…i would far rather have him involved in negotiations than flaky May who can’t handle anything outwith a prepared script.

        • Nick

          To use your analogy May would test drive the car,crash it and blame the driver on the other side of the road for the disaster

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Why doesn’t Pamela Anderson invite the Trumps to the opening of her new restaurant in the Cote d’Azur in the hope of getting Donald to quash the hiunt for Julian Assange?

    The answer seems obvious.

  • Adam Burgess

    Who went to the #DayOfRage then? I’ve seen bigger crowds outside the kebab shop on a Friday night.

    Lobster, G&Ts and watching the sun go down was the order of the day here. 😊

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Adam Burgess June 21, 2017 at 23:42
      A damn sight more than went to my Demos outside the US & Israeli Embassy’s on June 8th on the 50th Anniversary of Israel’s unprovoked attack on the unarmed (apart from four 50 caliber anti-piracy machine guns) ‘surveillance’ (spy) ship in international waters.
      This odious, abominable action should be widely known, and a thorough investigation instituted (that’s right – no proper investigation has taken place to this day, as LBJ and other high American military and ‘Deep State’ actors were complicit in Israel’s attack).
      Check out Peter Hounam’s ‘Operation Cyanide’.
      But then, ‘Surprise! Surprise!’, the MSM has been totally ‘bought’ on board, as has the ‘Faux Left’, especially Stop the War.

  • giyane

    I’m curious about Saudi Arabia’s plans to create employment. Employment requires a considerable degree of personal autonomy and a considerable degree of hands-off authority. Saudi Arabia’s rigid Islamic social codes generate deep psychological problems, with their accompanying addictions, sexual, alcohol and drugs. How can they get from A to B, allowing women freedom to go to work and learn what UK citizens learn in Primary School about mixing of the sexes without abandoning their religious codes?

    When I went to Hajj I saw male and female ushers inside the Holy Mosque chatting, so within the rules there must already exist some social freedoms at work. It’s difficult to imagine how a future pluralist Saudi Arabia could continue to create havoc in the Muslim world. Or how it could continue to display blatant double standards for those travelling abroad. We are created autonomous human beings. The succession of the new Prince has huge implications for Islam’s future. It’s a nail in the coffin for political Islam.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article196903.html
    ” All of the region’s actors agree that today, Iraq and Syria form one single battlefield. But the Western powers, who are still clinging to the lies of the Bush Jr. administration (even though they admit the stupidity of the weapons of mass destruction charge against Saddam Hussein) and the romantic narrative of the « Arab Springs » (even though they admit that this movement never made any attempt to bring freedom, but on the contrary, to impose political Islam), stubbornly persist in considering them as separate.”

    Syria and Iraq are pluralist Muslim countries. It looks as though the Syrians and Iraqis have won the civil war between pluralism and personal autonomy on the one side and religious hate and threatening of Political Islam on the other. Since Saudi Arabia’s goal in Syria was Damascus, it looks as though common sense has prevailed, Syria will have a powerful patron in Saudi Arabia against USUKIS’s and the EU’s nasty pet sects.
    The Syrian civil war has been won.

  • Bob McNair

    I side with those who seek not to divert most of us from the truth. Is the truth too much to bare? If so why hide it or seek alternative facts when those alternatives may lead eventually to the same conclusions? Are those in power protecting themselves or an ideology based on a redundant survival instinct?

  • Paul Barbara

    Regarding ‘Faux Left’, here is an article about the French ‘Faux Left’, and it is also applicable to the UK and US:
    ‘Syria: French Academic Exposes Left-Wing Charlatans as Harbingers of Terrorism’:
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/05/20/syria-french-academic-exposes-left-wing-charlatans-as-harbingers-of-terrorism/

    One of the worst UK groups is ‘Stop the War’, thoroughly infiltrated and controlled, which is why they lap up every false flag attack against Syria, like the ludicrous allegations Assad had used Chemical Weapons in his battle to rid his country of Western proxy head-chopping Jihadi mercenaries.

    • Dave

      The faux-left is the Zionist-left just as the faux-right is the Zionist right. That is the Zionists embed themselves into the right and left camps and will promote a left and/or right agenda as long as Zionist objectives are part of the agenda. I.e. support bomb and hope for profit against Israel’s neighbours. When they aren’t the right are denounced as racist and the left is denounced as anti-Semitic in Zionist controlled MSM.

  • Dace

    Wow. Comments all over the place except on topic… No. Julian should not be extradited to the USA. He should be free to go to any country he chooses. He has done the USA and the world a huge favor.

    Focus, people, focus on the article.

  • Joanne Sgrignoli

    I stand firmly with Julian Assange. I am thankful to & have great respect for him. I pray that he is released, free from any pending charges & that Britain be made to recompense him $1 million (Pounds/Euros?) for each year of each of his sons lives that he missed.

    President Trump should exonerate him.
    Sweden’s charges were a trumped up fiasco of stupidity. I never want to go there.
    Theresa May, et al, should be brought to bear for their enormous waste of money & resources.
    Julian Assange Should sue the British government if at all possible. They illegally incarcerated him for 5 years! That’s 5 years of each of his son’s lives!
    The Ecuadorian Government has my great respect for granting asylum to Julian Assange. Mucho gracias!
    I thank you for writing this piece to ask the question: Who do you stand with?

  • Taleyana Lee

    I’m on Julian’s side he is a hero with allot more work to be done. We are only beginning this war on the elite, they have been let to run amuck for way too long without answering for any of their misdeeds. So many laws broken and so many dead children. People have had enough. Thank you for opening so many eyes.

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