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The more electrification that we have in the United Kingdom build out, the more people will have to be trained and paid to be maintenance engineers. Imagine two million on street EV chargers.
Just think how much disruption that will cause digging up those roads, first to install the huge cables, then there will have to be many more transformer stations, maybe on on every street that has the new EV chargers.
All the Solar panels being fitted on the top of public buildings like hospitals, schools, town halls, swimming pools.
When the roof leaks, the “Teams” will have to spring into action, first to put up the scaffolding, then to strip the solar installations from the roof. Then strip the roof, then put new roof on, then re-fit or possibly replace solar installations.
Then after testing, take down scaffolding.
Does the building have to be evacuated during this time?
All this stuff has to be paid for but the country is broke.
Just increase the cost of electricity to the peasants, that’s the answer, squeeze them till their pips squeak.Something big might currently be happening with our electricity system, it looks like it might be about to pop.
No electricity at all from solar, on a sunny day in the summertime mid-day.
Huge proportion being taken from nuclear.
Large amount from Wind, massive amount coming from abroad but nothing from solar, not seen that before during day time?I think you have not looked properly. Right now, 25 mins later, solar is 33% of demand.
May be grid watch is on the blink.
I just checked again and for me it says no power from Solar12.25 GMT
22% Nuclear
7% Ccgt
15% Biomass
1% Hydro
25% Wind
0.0% SolarYou are right Michael it must be on the blink. Just looked again and the bar chart says no solar but the 10 min average graph says it’s about 40% now. Maybe their data centre got too warm. 😁
I just looked and it says Solar 30.2%.
Wishful thinking for right wingers maybe?
Michael, if that really was a joke, you could at least express some concern for my friend who was in severe distress, and for the failing crops.
ET, you might feel differently if you had just experienced such an unpleasant day. Writtle (between Chelmsford and my place) had the highest temperature in the country for a couple of hours (35C I think, 95F), and the humidity was stifling. Walking down Springfield Road late afternoon, the wind in my face was like the exhaust from a minor god’s tumble drier. The line between “nice weather” and “fuck this” is very thin at the hot, humid end. As you probably know, high humidity turns high temperature lethal.
I do seem to be unlucky with hot weather. I had to collect a band called Chinese Man from Glasgow airport at the precise time that Glasgow broke all records by hitting 37C. Attempting to navigate the stupidly stroppy traffic control computerised barriers in a vast, busy concrete airport was the last thing I wanted to be doing in weather like that.
The Gridwatch list adds up to only 70%
There’s another Gridwatch below, but it’s probably dependent on the same data feeds and will thus show the same errors.
gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php
Other useful links here:
Our country is broken.
U.K.Debt is now slightly greater than U.K.GDP.
Yet we are spending like lunatics.
Sir Keir Starmer is hated by most, even some of his own members of parliament.
Nothing they are doing is benefiting anyone in this country.
We are committing our country to increase war spending from 2% to 5%
We are going to buy 12 F-35A so we can carry nuclear bombs.
We are giving money to Ukraine.
We are giving money to India.
We are giving money to Mauritius as well as giving them the BIOT.
We are giving money to France to stop immigration, yet immigration continues to rise.
The number of people claiming they are too ill to work increases, daily.
We are down the plug hole.
I think it is time for Sir Keir to step down, taking his Chancellor with him,
useless the pair of them.Michael, I could accept you were really joking more readily if you didn’t keep posting contradictions like this:
– “Millions extra will be on the dole in the near future.” – post #104577
– “The more electrification that we have in the United Kingdom build out, the more people will have to be trained and paid to be maintenance engineers.” – post #104601
You forever seem to be arguing in bad faith like this, as if you’ve decided what result you want and you’re working backwards from that, citing cherry-picked facts piecemeal to support it while ignoring the same argument when it works against you, as if you think we’re all too stupid to notice what you’re up to.
Mining for rare earth metals or working in a Chinese solar panel factory are indeed horrible for locals and employees / virtual slave labour, but then the forever-wars to control oilfields cost millions of lives and displace millions who migrate, and the subsequent gas flaring gives those who remain respiratory illnesses up to and including death. More locally, the residents of pretty Burniston don’t want their village turned into a fracking site for a mere few weeks’ worth of gas at national consumption rates, yet the Westminster government will almost certainly overrule their local authorities and their locality will be trashed. And I don’t want western Europe to be plunged into a localised ice age due to the gulf stream shutting down, which will freeze even more of the pensioners you so often mention.
Such things can yet be avoided, minimised, and improved, but voices like yours are hindering our progress. You call for frugality, yet never engage with arguments about reversing economic growth, curtailing excessive wealth, and sharing amenities communally, as if you think “free market” neoliberal capitalism is a law of nature. Yet you’re old enough to know that it isn’t. Like me, you have seen the older ways of doing things that grew out of the incredible reorganisation of society that was needed in order to repel fascism, and you have seen all of that dismantled and sold off, democracy emaciated, and the wealth gap mushroom. That these all happened together is not a coincidence; far from it.
You see why I think you’re taking us all for fools, and would unbalance the entire biosphere for the whole of humanity and all other species, just because you, personally, happen to like hot weather? C’mon, man, argue fairly! Or even give in and accept that more wind turbines and solar panels might prove mighty useful as fossil fuels deplete and thus rise in price, temperatures rise, weather gets more extreme, sunsets turn dirty yellow with stratospheric aerosol injection, and more and more people turn more and more strongly against fossil fuels, with more and more turning to hit-and-run sabotage because all protesters get instantly banged up.
It’s not like all your arguments get ignored; you are not discussing with political zealots here! We need to stop arguing rhetorically and ideologically, and instead work out how the hell we get down safely from this high, precarious and ultimately doomed limb the elite have enticed us out onto. The elite don’t seem to be offering any solutions, unless you count war to cull our numbers, and they didn’t suddenly appear just as solar panel production was being expanded. They’ve been growing and consolidating their wealth and power for centuries. Rockerfellers? Bushes? Oil. Kochs? Coal. And so on. What makes you think the elite have all suddenly switched horses to electricity? If they really have I bet they’ve got good reasons – like depletion and climate change possibly?
There’s a lot in this post because it’s about the bigger picture, the real political picture, not the make-believe democracy the elite use to keep us docile. So please read it at least twice and try to answer its overall argument. “Milliband is mental” isn’t going to cut it because he’s just a small player in the local charade; half the world is in the same predicament and will still be struggling with these problems long after this government goes down the tubes. If Milliband gets to be elite it’ll be after he leaves office; that’s how it’s done as we’ve seen plenty of times.
Michael – #104577
– Even if it is really an existential threat […] you are not going to stop the inexorable
– Nothing to be done, just to let it play out.Is that what my dad should have said instead of going to Burma?
Is that what Churchill should have done?Don’t give me that. That generation showed what can be done when you put your mind to it. You say waste their effort and sacrifice? Justify your position.
– “Our country is broken.”
No. Palestine is broken. Moaning about this country? No. Go look at Gaza.
If we can just for a while think of the U.K.
We are almost broke.
These last few weeks we have learned just how many people are on personal independence payments, it has been going up massively since covid but it is not coming down it is racing ahead.
I think I understand part of the problem.
Many of the young have been lured into thinking if you do not get in to a university your life will be worthless.
They do not get in to university.
Some of the young eat crap food, stay in their rooms and do gaming through the dark hours, then they sleep in the morning.
They become vastly overweight and out of shape, they are unlearning sociability.
They have essentially given up.
The Chinese have a term, “lying flat”
Now why would the youth, be like this?
I am almost 75, when i was growing up, every man in our road had a job, there were jobs everywhere, there were not enough workers, I expect that is why we brought people in from the Caribbean. The Second World War, thinned the men out. Anyway, when i was old enough for a job, there were so many chances, all you had to do was walk on to a building site and ask for a job, they would take you on for the next day or next week as a labourer.
You could walk to the brickyards and get a job, instantly as a labourer, same for the massive dairy.
Or you could walk to the factories, they would say , “when can you start”, almost anyone was taken on.
Once you started, they would see what your were better suited to.These conditions, no longer apply, not round my way.
The dairy has shut losing about four hundred people, mostly unskilled or semi skilled.
The brickyards have shut, long ago.
Every single factory has shut.
Most of the offices have shut.
Many of the shops have shut.
Even the places the mentally restricted lived at, have shut.
It’s university or shop work of building sites or unemployment or pip.I feel incredibly sad for the young people.
Their future has been robbed, at least in part by Globalisation, cheaper to get it made in Thailand/Vietnam/China/India/Indonesia.Yet, just this week, Sir Keir Rodney Starmer, celebrated, that Amazon were investing in the U.K.
I forgot, the other job, you could get round here, would be to work in a warehouse.
Maybe you could join the RAF and learn to drop nuclear bombs.
Not much of a future, is it?Clark, although, I have (almost) always lived in the same town and know a lot about my area, I feel I am being distanced from the place I grew up in. The only growth is in housing, it is like a disease, it is completely non-stop.
There is very little work, here these days, almost all the people doing the construction are from abroad.
I don’t know why local people don’t do it?
Although my area has immense wealth, like it is hard to imagine.
It is hard for many ordinary people to find work.
A friend of mine, who is a cabinet maker, designs kitchens for the super rich, he claims, many of the clients, are from abroad, they are millionaires and billionaires, they hardly live in the mansions, they are having new kitchens, installed, it is actually obscene. The disparity is colossal.
Even though nobody is starving, I think there is some despair, locally.I would like to suggest that globalisation is also like a disease.
Always exploiting other people to do the work, the dirty work for you because they will do it cheap.As we “allow” our infrastructures to be torn down, such as Port Talbot ( once most modern and largest blast steel works in all of Europe), the British Coal Industry, it helped to fuel the Industrial Revolution, Ravenscraig, oldest refinery in Europe, 101 years of service, being fed directly from the North Sea.
We are rapidly losing our industries but for for benefit, will it stop Carbon from getting into the air, will it fuck.
We are staggering across a moorland, falling down mineshafts.
We are being stripped of our self-worth of our indentity.
We shall soon cease to exist an a reconisable people, living in their own land.
A worthless people, who just click and buy crap, made in China, on line, eating take a ways.
Pleasant future.
We have to revert to a more realistic present, one where the youth feel invested in the present and in their future.
Where they will want to work and be part of the usefull citizenry.
Be part of reality, rather than living in a shadow world.I actually think that our Labour Government, want us to exist in a shadow world.
One that they imagine,they will control.
One, where half the population, are in some way dependent on the state for their daily bread, then they think the people will be like serfs, tipping their flat caps to the Labour Overlords.They are of course completely wrong, this experiment is quickly coming to a sticky end.
