Yeah, right, vote Respect and vote for ant-semitism.
True to your lights, Mr Murray, true to your lights!

Kardinal,

You do talk extraordinary nonsense

Correct, no better, actually worse, New Labour 10th.

I'm voting green (or pirate party)

You're right about Rupert - he really is an excellent candidate and there is an outside chance he'll get in too (needs to do just a bit better than 2004, which is very doable!)

My view is that the EU is nothing more than a scam serving the interests of global corporations whose main interest is privatizing common goods, and removing democratic control over economies. So I'd vote for anyone or any party who/that will work towards its dissolution.

'My view is that the EU is nothing more than a scam serving the interests of global corporations whose main interest is privatizing common goods, and removing democratic control over economies. So I'd vote for anyone or any party who/that will work towards its dissolution.'

Pretty much true. We need to escape quickly. Also, if we pull out Blair won't be our President. Worth leaving just for that. Just the rest of the poor sods left will hsve to put up with him. We'll probably end up being invaded under Blair's orders for being terrorists. Disappointed to see Craig list the Tories over UKIP!

Agree with last two comments. Withdrawal from EU is top priority. Only UKIP and BNP offer that policy. So UKIP it is I'm afraid.

'My advice is, if you can find a candidate you know to be a good man, you should vote for him regardless of party.'

You're a bit behind the times Craig. Women have been allowed to stand for parliament since 1918.

sorry to post this here, I like to share this story with you.

Al-Libi who was turtured to confess a link between Saddam and Alqaida has died, in Libya, they said he committed suicide.

Reading the HRW report, it appears he was ready to confess to any thing but his interrogators wanted a good story.

In the end they put him in a small box 50cm x 50cm for 17 hours, and when they took him out he came up with a story that they accepted, and was used by Powell at the UN.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/05/11/libyaus-investigate-death-former-cia-prisoner

I also read the CIA report, it says he couldn't create a story about Biological weapons because he didn't know what the word biological means>

You can find this on page 79-81 in the following Senate report

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

I'm in agreement with those here who feel our country's right to self-determination is now paramount. This leaves me with depressingly few options, but not so few as to consider voting BNP.

It'd be nice to hear Craig's reasoning for placing UKIP so near the bottom of the pile. My ears are open . . . .

"Al-Libi who was turtured to confess a link between Saddam and Alqaida has died, in Libya, they said he committed suicide."--abualshawareb

I posted a link to that news on the 'Hypocrisy of Tory Bloggers' thread, but I'm afraid I didn't explain adequately what it was. It sickens me that those who concocted and carried out this torture are walking free and the world (in general) doesn't seem to care. AND it was done by the country that claims to "lead the world". Right.

Tom Friedman in the NYT noted, "more than 100 detainees died in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, with up to 27 of those declared homicides by the military. They were allegedly kicked to death, shot, suffocated or drowned."

Is there uproar in the US? Is there uproar in the British media? This stinks to high heaven.

Sorry for the off-topic.

Forgot to mention: I WON'T be voting for Libertas.

Ganley has links to defense contracts and the US Dept of Homeland Security.

Not the best link, perhaps, but there is info about Ganley's company here:

http://peoplekorps.blogspot.com/2009/04/declan-ganleys-rivada-pacific-contracts.html

"Fed Contracts awarded without competition to DECLAN GANLEY's RIVADA PACIFIC"

This is going to be a very confusing election for some people:
http://photopol.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-poster-caught-my-eye-other-day.html

Uh, I think you'll find that New Labour is indeed racist. Quite apart from the fact that it's done nothing to halt the unwarranted targeting (harassment?) of black/Asian young people by police for sus-type searches, white people (particularly the much despised middle-class) have been under heavy attack generally ever since NuLab came to power.

Did you forget about the Scottish Socialist Party, Craig?
I hope the SSP was not intended by you to be included in the 'Anyone Else' category.
You and readers here may be interested in this.

http://www.makegreedhistory.org/

All the best

Respect Craig, for putting Nu Labor on the same line as the BNP. I'm not feeling well this morning, but reading that cheered me up.

Thankfully being a non-resident I don't in any way feel compelled to vote. In fact I'm thinking of revoking my passport and becoming Dutch, if I can face the paper work.

> Im considering voting BNP

- What? There 'philosophy' is obnoxious, and if they get into power they will discriminate against huge sections of the citizenry in the UK.

> Yeah, your right. I should vote for one of the other parties instead.

So you rank Labour with the BNP? What a fool you are. I don't think you can really mean what you say. No one will take you seriously if you make such stupid statements Craig. Sacked by the FCO, your taxpayers' money (6 years salary!) running out, you must still be a very bitter man. Get over it and get serious.

Frank
I am in favour of the EU in general. Many things it does very wrong, but it has good potential. Internationalism is a key part of my political philosophy. Nuch in the EU has been heading in the wrong direction, but the boon to individual freedom to travel and settle and interact including but by no means only in trade, has been a great boon to civilisation.

At the minute I still think the benefits outweigh the minuses. If they make Blair President I will be proved wrong.

Denise
Scottish Socialist Party is interesting - the Left had its biggest electoral breakthrough in a century with the SSP. Then the mad feminists ruined it by turning on Tommy Sheridan for messing about in a jacuzzi, which on the scale of global sins was pretty low. To be honest, I can't remember which splinter is which. And I think SWP plotting and puupet-mastering is entirely unhelpful. I have added SSP on with Solidarity.

Dreoilin
Thanks. Useful info. They are still in the right place I think tough - the Tories have even more of such links!

Tea Junkie
No wonder we lost the Empire!

Sam
Very good point.

Eddie

New Labour have:
- Ended habeas corpus
- Reinstated information from torture as public policy
- Introduced 42 new reasons the police can enter your home without a warrant
- Arrested an opposition MP for the first time since 1812
- Introduced 37 new restictions on the right to protest
- Launched a major illegal war on a pretext of lies

Yes I rank them with the BNP.

Seriously. Others may wish to add to this list.

Hmm, Rupert.... I have known Rupert for a few years, he is committed but his record is a blank. He came to the Green Party very late and he proceeded to campaign for the Greens and got himself elected under the auspice of Adrian Ramsay. He's not a crook, he's a philosophy academic with lots of ideals.

I will not vote for him, not even as an ex candidate for that party, because of the takeover of the party by centralists who did not understand what a philosophical basis really meant, ie. decentralisation of power. Then there was the shabby way their Brighton lead candidate was pushed aside by caroline Lucas. She was already an MEP, he had build up the ward for decades, now she's inspired to take the Brighton seat as well next to her MEP's seat.
So I will be voting Independent

"the boon to individual freedom to travel and settle and interact"

Is this the main benefit of the EU? Seems rather paltry compared with the profoundly undemocratic, autocratic and disempowering nature of the EU agenda.

Odd that Craig should put the SNP and Plaid Cymru at the top of his list but puts a party seeking independence from the dictatorial monstronsity that is the EU near the bottom.

'Frank
I am in favour of the EU in general. Many things it does very wrong, but it has good potential. Internationalism is a key part of my political philosophy. Nuch in the EU has been heading in the wrong direction, but the boon to individual freedom to travel and settle and interact including but by no means only in trade, has been a great boon to civilisation.

At the minute I still think the benefits outweigh the minuses. If they make Blair President I will be proved wrong.'

The EU is a great idea, I love the idea, but it just can't work. There is too much of a disconnect between the European population and this institution. Corruption is rife and there is a lack of transparency. We will turn into another U.S.A.! Add to that the spectre of further globalisation, which I do believe will happen if unopposed, and it is quite scary. World democracy depends on self-determining nation states. It's just too risky conducting larger experiments. Where would one seek refuge in the NWO? Do you not believe in the NWO agenda Craig? My view is we will slowly, but oh so surely, see Blair reintroduced to us in the mass media. It's all part of the conditioning process. He is strong favourite to be EU President, subject to the Irish referendum of course. I'm not sure what will happen if they vote no. Probably some sort of fudge. Europe needs to go back to the E.E.C. pronto before it is too late.

No, I think international law and international institutions are potentially a great defence against the New World order and New American Century. So I support the EU, UN, ICC etc.

The EU, UN and ICC are part of the NWO, not a defence against it.

Craig. Internationalism (whatever that actually means) is garnish for neoloberal corporate globalisation. They used to say the Internet is benefit of globalisation.

Internationalism (which certainly isn't dependent on the EU for success) is a sprig of mint atop a poo sandwich.

First and foremost, I have a lot of respect for you and think you are very brave. I'm sure you want to hear opinions and be criticised though. though. If we are struggling with democracy on our small island, then what hope those massive institutions pulling through for us? And if we lose the power to pull out and these institutions do become corrupted beyond repair the results could be catastrophic. The EU will soon become a totality and we will be plugged right in. Concentrated and unchecked power is the enemy of humanity. I think your view is blinkered by high ideals. I am very idealistic too, but you have to temper idealism with realism. The dynamics of power and corruption will flourish in larger institutions. Pinning your hopes on the I.C.C. and U.N. etc. is wishful thinking. Time will tell.

I am somewhat inclined to agree with Eddie regarding the suggestion that the BNP and New Labour are morally equivalent, although as usual his scorn is over the top. But in Craig's defence, it is true that we are not nearly as horrified by the dismantling of our precious liberties as we should be. And given the criminality of our recent wars, perhaps it would be fairer if some of the BNP's opprobrium in the media spotlight was transferred to our damned incumbent.

I am intruiged about the Jury Team idea and have assessed their representatives for my area (West Midlands). And my findings are not encouraging - little sign of political principles, a worrying level of reactionary appeal to tabloid voters, and badly edited candidate profiles. I recognise some here will have different views to mine but I offer the following out of interest:

Geoffrey Coady
- military focus
+ decent pensions
+ fighting corruption

Graham Burton
- policies well-meaning but vague
- poor spelling and not fully literate

Jeremy Spencer
+ permaculture
- "I support multi-racism and not recognise multiculturalism" (uh-oh)
- "Uncontrolled immigration must come to an immediate stop" (uh-oh again)

Kevin Sills
- military focus
- penalty for those who opt for non-military national service
- poor spelling again
+ well-meaning "honesty law" for EU politicians
+ renewable energy
- criticises "open-door on immigration" - bad sign?

David Bennett
- right-wing punitive sentencing
+ environment
* criticises public sector waste (doesn't everyone say that?)
- "violently" opposed to deceit, lies, fraud and corruption (!)

Colin Thompson
+ regional representation
+ green issues
+ fighting anti-environmental power companies
* rebalance cost incentives to use public transport (unclear how)

I like the idea of giving political power to the non-political class in theory. But in practise, and without their having a decent grounding in political theory or principle, I wonder if it is wise? There was very little about foreign policy too, which seems strange.

How is a loss of self determination to a pan European body that in future decides to join a single global governing body (that you can no longer stop because you have lost your national government) a defence against it?
When, throughout history, has centralisation of power ever had a good result for those whose hands are not on the levers of that power?

Craig
"New Labour have:
- "Ended habeas corpus" - bollocks, you have no proof of such an assertion.
- "Reinstated information from torture as public policy" - bollocks, show me the legislation or the public policy statement that proves this.
- "Introduced 42 new reasons the police can enter your home without a warrant" - bollocks, crime is down and most people feel safer.
- "Arrested an opposition MP for the first time since 1812" - no charges were made, the police cocked up.
- "Introduced 37 new restictions on the right to protest" - perhaps, but does that put them on a par with the racist BNP who would send black and asian people "home" wherever that is?
- "Launched a major illegal war on a pretext of lies" bollocks. Illegal sez who? Sue or be damned.

What about the list of achievements of this Labour government, in schools, health, housing and other areas of public policy? They've kept tossers like you in funds for a start, living off taxpayers like me. If you really want a Tory government that is what you are about to get. Do you rememebr what the last one was like? Because I do. To rank the Labour Party with the BNP is crass, come on admit it. It just reveals you as a shallow political figure.

kardina lbirkutzki,

I am thoroughly sick of coming across stories about 'anti-semitism' or charges of 'anti-semitism' EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE.

I notice that planeloads of british schoolchildren are being flown out to Auschwitz (with state-supported funding) by the thousand.

Let us agree that genocide is a very bad thing.....but if the purpose of these activities was to ensure that genocide would never happen again, one wouldn't mind.....

......but we participate in genocide.

There have been literally millions of Muslims who have died over the last three or four decades as a direct result of our (western) actions.

So it seems that genocide is OK by us.

We have no problem with genocide!

...so what is all this 'holocaust/anti-semitism thing really about?

If anti-semitism was such a dangerous reality we would not have let Jews reach such a position of prominence (or should I say dominance) in our country.

The media here and in the USA is almost entirely dominated by Jews......not to mention so many other banking/corporate power centres that are also controlled at the top by Jewish interests.

See here:

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/do-the-jews-own-hollywood-and-the-media/

It seems to me that 'anti-semitism'/holocaust issues are ferociously and consistently hammered in the public domain with the purpose of instilling in the majority white non-Jewish population a guilt-complex that makes us fearful of saying the above, lest we be thought of as Nazis. This calculated activity has allowed Zionism to forward its agenda with little or no opposition....

......and, let us not forget, thanks to the obsessive way Talmist rabbis drill this same material into the minds of Jews, Jewish people are even more ensnared in the pison of this meme than we are.....

......to the point where 94% of Israelis and a large majority of diaspora Jews believed that the slaughter we witnessed in Gaza last winter was justifiable and proprtionate.

The fact that Gordon Brown along with his US allies blocked a united UN call for a ceasefire (at exactly the same time that Brown was on TV calling for one) should tell us all we need to know about who is really in charge in the UK.

We are a Zionist country.

Start to 'get it'.

....or forward some evidence to the contrary.

Calling all sayanim. No name calling (the usual tactic)please. Just meet the challenge.

Evidence. When has the UK ever acted against Zionist interests? When has the UK seriously challenged or even criticised any action of an israeli government?

Craig
In line with your previous policy you should give KevinB a red card or at least a final warning for his vile views.

'and, let us not forget, thanks to the obsessive way Talmist rabbis drill this same material into the minds of Jews, Jewish people are even more ensnared in the pison of this meme than we are.....'

I quite agree Kevin. They are bigger victims than the rest of us. It's nothing short of brainwashing.

KevinB,

I agree that anti-semitism (and anti-Americanism, racism, etc) are concepts used to stifle debate. But you do sail a touch close to the wind by making a case for the existence of 'Jewish dominance'.

In any case, Jewish people being successful should be applauded, as should people of other religions who have been (or are) persecuted. I would say you would only have reasonable cause for complaint if there was evidence that this was advancing a Zionist agenda outside the democratic framework, and that would be a difficult thing to prove. (For the right-wingers here, it would be akin to evidencing that high-profile muslims were advancing a Sharia agenda, which would be equally tricky to prove).

But that aside for one moment, could you explain to me your logic here?

> If anti-semitism was such a dangerous reality
> we would not have let Jews reach such a position
> of prominence (or should I say dominance)
> in our country.

I think anti-semitism is real, but "dangerous reality"? I struggle to parse your meaning here, but I trust you are not saying that "if Jews really are as bad as people say, they shouldn't be allowed to do X". That would indeed be unacceptable.

On the misuse of the Holocaust, I wonder if this is best tackled by Jewish progressives? Finkelstein has covered it and Chomsky is likely to have done so. It is unfair that non-Jewish people are unable to tackle this without being labelled anti-semitic, but personally I am uncomfortable doing so.

I'm sure KevinB will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was simply saying that if anti-Jewish sentiments were as prevalent as Zionists like to suggest then Jews would have been unable to reach the positions of power that they have.

KevinB.

I really don't like to see nonsense about "Jewish dominance" on this website. I don't agree with you, and I don't think it is any more acceptable than railing about black people. Or us Scots, who really do run the place.

Would one be complaining about 'Italian Dominance' and be anti-Italian if they were complaining about the Sicilian mafia?

If you want to talk about an actual entity, like the Sicilian Mafia, - or for that matter the state of Israel -feel free. If you ant to discuss vague racial slurs, piss off.

Jon,

You are meant to feel uncomfortable. That's the point I am making.

I'm also saying that the charge of 'anti-semitism' is used as a tool to stifle any possible opposition before a thought is even transferred into words.
It has proved to be a very effective tool.

I spent my whole life completely ignoring this 'anti-semitism' nonsense and entirely unaware of any prejudice against Jews at all. I had honestly, in my day-to-day life, never come across it. I never heard anyone make an 'anti-semitic' statement until two or three years ago.

I still get on very well with the Jewish people I know. I hold no prejudice against persons.....

.....but the behaviour of the state of Israel since Sharon's stomp across the Temple Mount, the vile treatment of the Palestinians, the buried facts about the attack by Israel on the American spy-ship SS Liberty in 1967, the fact that 9/11 was an inside-job and that Mossad hands were all over it (they're not the only ones)....these things have completely changed many people's views on Israel, including my own.

Even more serious, for me, is the fact that the people I used to think of as my government dance to the Zionist tune. The USA is completely dominated by the Jewish lobby. Sharon said it....this is direct quote..."Do not worry about what America will do. We, the Jewish people, control America...."

This is not a healthy situation.

Not for me.

Not for you.

'Vile views' Eddie?

What did I say that is not true. That's one of the problems when one tries to break this rotten taboo. The opposition, whoever they are, rarely if ever engage in argument. Abuse. banishment. That's the game. And that's all it is, a game to many Zionists. The truth is neither here nor there. All that matters is the outcome....

....who wins?....

Anyway, what is controversial here?....apart from the 'inside job' thing (all I can say is that the official 9/11 conspiracy theory has been disproved thoroughly. Controlled demolition has been established as fact way beyond any reasonable doubt by numerous scientific papers. The only people who do not know this are the wilfully ignorant)

Why should a person be afraid to stand up and speak in the interests of himself and his children and society at large. This sacrifice of self-interest in service of Zionism represents a massive existential threat to us all.

We should be withdrawing unconditional support for Israel and urging them to make a sensible peace with their neighbours. Would that such a thing were now possible. Would that Israel even wanted such a thing.

We are ruled by an international financial oligarchy. The Jewish element in this oligarchy is not necessarily dominant but these powers-that-be are currently using Zionism as a divide-and-rule tool to advance its global agenda.

I object to the taboo against saying so. The matter is just too important.

I want to live in a decent country. A country that is genuinely peaceful. Where ALL issues are thoroughly aired and a real government serves the best interests of ALL the people......a government that is not owned by financiers......that does not betray its people with its every breath it takes.

'If you want to talk about an actual entity, like the Sicilian Mafia, - or for that matter the state of Israel -feel free. If you ant to discuss vague racial slurs, piss off.'

So I take that as a no then? That's the correct answer.

I don't want to be vague nor slur any race but there is a real issue of international organisation under Talmudic PRINCIPLES AND TEACHING and a similar issue relating to the PRINCIPLES AND TEACHING of Freemasonry.....but Craig does not want these things discussed here.

Again, we are allowed to strain at gnats but not camels.

Red card for Kevin B Craig.

Conspiracy theories = history for stupid people. You seem to want it both ways. Incompetent and venal governements, corrupt politicians, cock ups in all directions and yet these same people are capable of organising these amazing conspiracies that must involve hundreds of operatives and not a word is leaked. Grow up. Please.

eddie,

Was Gordon Brown's call for a Gaza ceasefire (presumably to mollify public outrage) whilst instructing his ambassador at the UN to support the US in blocking such a call......

.....was that 'vile'?

Just curious.

Yea,

Come on Craig, ban Kevin B. He's stupid.......he must be ....eddie says so....

I know opening one's mouth on this subject is asking to be banned. That's how powerful this taboo is.

I could blaspheme against Christ and hardly anyone would care and those that did would say little about it.

......if anyone doubts that Freemasonry and Talmudic Judaism are organised conspiracies whose objective is absolute global power they should read their own documents.

Until people face this issue and recognise that there is and has been an international conspiracy at work that is working for nobody's interests but their own, then all our protests and cries of outrage will be futile.
You do not destroy the tree by lashing out at the branches. You must find the root and dig it up.

I call two witnesses in my defense:

1) Jesus Christ, who condemned the moneylenders and the original Talmudists, the Pharissees. He said they were the Synagogue of Satan. These are the people who are riding high....not 'The Jews' whom Christ loved and tried to enlighten. The moneylenders have progressed from having a small influence with Prince William of Hanau in Southern Germany in the late 1600's (I think) to holding the very basis of our entire western civilisation in their bloody hands today. These black-hearted fiends own us and direct us all.
When the current bail-out bubble 'pops', what next?
.....what is there but war?*

2) President Woodrow Wilson:

Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

*
http://yonkerstribune.typepad.com/yonkers_tribune/2009/05/gerald-celente-trends-alert-the-bailout-bubble-the-bubble-to-end-all-bubbles.html

by the way eddie,

It isn't, quote...."these same people"

....not at all, it isn't. If you think MP's are really running this country the next time the word 'stupid' crosses your mind you should look in the mirror.

Don't take eddie too seriously KevinB, he's only pulling your leg. He likes his conspiracy theories more than anyone. Ones involving bearded Muslim CIA operatives living in caves are his favourite.

Read The Ghost by Robert Harris. It's a great read but if you look on the back it says "Fiction". Just like your fantasies about dark forces. You should get out more and do something useful in your community instead of this onanistic fantasising on line. It ain't healthy. What's that great quote about the internet, that it allows mad people to communicate with each other and re-inforce their madness? Too true.

eddie,

Talking of onanism. It used to be said that it makes you blind.

Hmmm........maybe there is more truth in this than I had imagined.

If you fail to recognise that Brown's posturing and actions on Gaza were morally degenerate then you wouldn't recognise a 'dark force' if it.....

......no, sorry....better not go there.

He's certainly no 'Fast Eddie' Kev.

Chris Davies in the North West is one of my favourite MEPs. He's a Lib Dem with a strong human-rights and environmental activist record, and also has an ongoing campaign running on his website highlighting the need to reform MEP expenses. Good bloke.

For all those who rail against the "undemocratic" nature of the EU, two points.

Firstly, our gerrymandered and outdated democracy in this country does a far better job of disenfranchising people than the EU ever has.

Secondly, you're conflating asserting something to be true with the capacity to make it true. Pulling out of the EU and stomping our little feet won't magically make us a nation free of the dreaded "foreign interference". It will just mean that the EU will become another institution that gets to boss us around without us having any say in the matter whatsoever - you know, like the USA. Readers of Amyarta Sen will be aware of his formulation that freedom = capacity for action rather than right to action, and that applies just as much to nations as it does to individuals. It seems to me that the kneejerk anti-EU voices haven't really analysed just how much withdrawal from international institutions will hinder this capacity. Merely asserting our right as a sovereign nation to do as we wish makes no difference whatsoever to the practical realities of the international order that prevent us behaving in anything other than a principally reactive fashion.

For starters, I certainly don't think any anti-EU comments on this thread are 'knneejerk'. If one population takes the lead another might follow. Alliances can be forged with countries that do follow which don't depend on political union and a Brussels gravy train. We can all be part of a genuinely democratic European Alliance. It doesn't have to be the way it is and the way it will likely become. I don't buy the argument that we are doing ok in a troubled world and i'm not saying you have said this. Our country is part of the world problem. Every single day we are sucked on by vampires. If we allow a NWO it will be democratic curtains for all of us. I seriously doubt we can stop this happenig through international law and institutions, if at all. Is that what you are saying, as does Craig, or are you just saying our best bet is to just accept it? Our current capacity of being able to participate in a global mafia doesn't really do it for me. Also, I think that our nation does have a capacity for action, especially if we break away around the same time as other E.U. members. Positive change is still possible. As I said, time will tell. My bet is we will probably, unfortunately, see a lot of grim change in the next 20 years.