There is a petition on the No 10 website. So far it only has 83 signatures:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/notoBlair/

It must not happen!!!

The Nazi-Soviet pact would have nothing on the congruence of the ‘countryside alliance’ and the ‘stop the war’ campaign; but I digress.

If Blair is elected in full knowledge of his record, then the credibility of the institution he heads must be measured by that.

There must be more than a petition that we can do to stop Blair, right? Shall we contact organisations? Launch a website? Write to the Prime Minister? The MEPs?

I’m sure there are other people in Europe (I’m French by the way) who don’t want Blair either, we must mobilise them as well!

You’ll understand the desperation of my No vote against Lisbon. It’s understood that Sarko and Angela have given their blessing and that Blair is the No 1 candidate. He’ll be elected “in full knowledge of his record”, as Jimmy says, but don’t forget what Lisbon has done: there’ll be only 27 people voting.

Correction: don’t forget what Lisbon will have done – assuming the Polish and Czech Presidents ratify it.

We don’t need a President of the EU any more than we need the EU itself. Both are an expensive, anti-democratic imposition on the peoples of Europe.

However, much as I loathe both Blair and the EU I think his presidency is to be welcomed – it would demonstrate clearly to the whole world the utter moral degradation at the heart of the EU and show Blair to be nothing more than a whore among whores.

When the Jews return to Zion

And a comet rips the sky

and the Holy Roman Empire rises

then you and I must die

From the eternal sea he rises

creating armies on either shore

turning man against his brother

till man exists no more

Has anyone checked his scalp?

Craig

Politics is the same as a menu you only get what is on offer. If not Blair you will just get the same dish (one way or another) under a different name but all will be…Excrement of evil.

Please don’t ask for any other dish as refusal often offends.

By order of the management.

This is like a vampire horror movie. However many times this vile demonic duplicitous creature gets shot with silver bullets and rammed with wooden stakes, a short while later the hands come out of the ground and he rises again from the tomb.

I am a great fan of Europe and the peace + understanding it has brought even at the expense of considerable excess bureaucracy. However Blair as President – that is truly disgusting – he belongs nowhere except in jail as a war criminal.

Blair is one of those power-thirsty Mephistophelian politicians who could survive in any environment – whether it would be Stalin’s Russia or Rome during the collapse of the Empire.

At present there are few if any worse than Blair in the political scene for their wily self-seeking treachery. It is not good enough to say that all the candidates for EU Presidency are as bad – they could not be this bad.

You could start with a “President Blair” TeeShirt , with fangs dripping blood of course .

Blair posturing and prancing as European Commission President may well prove his undoing, revealing to all and sundry what a hollow man he is.

Blair is an archetypal Walter Mitty, constantly reinventing himself to less and less purpose. Does anyone know what he has achieved as Middle East Peace Envoy? I don’t.

His main aim in life seems to be to keep himself in the public eye enough to rake in astronomical fees on the US lecture circuit from anyone daft enough to want to listen to him.

This petition has been up since February 2008. Still current and worth signing.

http://tinyurl.com/38hqej

There’s also this website, that everyone should pass on:

http://stopblair.eu

If we accept that Europe is an undemocratic entity, then Blair is perhaps the best person to be its president.

His authoritarianism, media charisma, hatred of debate and due process and rule by arbitary whim make him emminently suitable for such a project.

We just have to face up to the fact that democracy is dead. The editor’s decision is final. No correspondence will be entered into.

“His authoritarianism, media charisma, hatred of debate and due process and rule by arbitary whim make him emminently suitable for such a project.”

Not forgetting his love of running after the USA.

“Does anyone know what he has achieved as Middle East Peace Envoy?”

He certainly didn’t stop Hillary Clinton from putting pressure on the Palestinian Authority *not* to accept the findings of the Richard Goldstone UN report into Israel’s attack on Gaza.

http://tinyurl.com/yevf23u

I am loathed to include Blair in my cross, together with Dostum Karimov and Karzais ilk.

I am afraid that the way we have all agreed to set up the EU to the wishes of vested interests, commissioners appointed at their behest, we have been asking for this debacle to happen.

I agree it will take one hell of a big tent, Merkel is safe and loved in her seat and her party harbours other dubious mongers. Sarko, still to be savaged by his dog, will not care much, he’s another short power hungry person that does not care much about the EU, as long as he looks OK on TV.

The Conservatives would hate the ratification of the Lisbon treaty to happen before the GE. If enough people make this issue important, it will confuse voters already fed up with the showers on offer.

IMHO, only a fresh coalition between Greens and Lib Dems, lets say a ten point coalition plan, agreed before the election, giving people a vote on Lisbon and Blair, could be the last chance to galvanise people behind a new, unexperienced but eager, political line up. Both want PR and should know what that means, i.e. coalitions for a greater mandate, so why can they not forget the past unpleasantness and put their personal ego’s aside, for the better of the country?

Petitioning No.10 to not support Tony, might awaken the old Brown Blair ego battle, but it would not result in much. I feel it takes more than that.

If both major parties cannot be tamed, if we cannot include MP’s, local councillors and for example a useless wastefull prohibition into the melee of cuts, if saving CO2 does not appeal to vested interests and our mainline politicians and their BBC lackeys, then such a coalition could rejuvenate the House it could go much further than we ever anticipated.

Wake up Ingo you are dreaming…

Maybe President Blair could be accompanied by honorary vice president George “Dubbya” Bush? What a splendid pair they would make. Given Cheney is at a loose end these days too, he surely should have a role as special advisor.

we must stop Blair the pathological liar from becoming the EU president at all cost!!

I’ve been keeping an eye on that petition at

http://tinyurl.com/38hqej

The numbers are galloping upwards!

To be fair, it was Sarkozy who first suggested Blair’s name. How does this make the EU “arrogant”?

Anyway, the front-runner never gets the EU job. It’s a law of nature.

Hope you don’t mind my being specific but the presidency that we’re talking about here for Tony Blair, whom I despise, is not of the EU but of the European Council.

A stop Blair petition on line put up last year but is still up and running:

http://stopblair.eu/

Perhaps the best way to stop Blair is to campaign for a Tory victory and hope the election comes soon enough for Cameron to have the promised referendum on the Lisbon Treaty (provided it hasn’t been ratified in the meantime).

That petition – it’s risen by 264 sigs since midday today.

Americans will laugh at Europe if Bush’s poodle becomes EU president.

Craig

You say that you are in favour of EU integration which is fair enough but have closely examined the Lisbon Treaty?

As a human rights activist you will be interested to know that many researchers are suggesting the Lisbon Treaty, once ratified, will reintroduce the death penalty for crimes of ‘RIOTING, CIVIL UPHEAVAL and DURING WAR.’

http://lpuk.blogspot.com/2009/03/summer-of-rage-could-be-lethal.html

BTW, a couple of months ago I told my father, who lives in France, that if Lisbon Treaty was ratified Blair would step in as EU President.

He laughed mockingly and said “don’t be daft, that won’t happen!”

..poor bloke, he moved to France to get away from the bugger.

It is a simple provable fact that we are ruled by the basest of men,

in every area of life. Honesty, integrity, truth and any love of others

has been in general replaced by blatant barbarity, lies and murder.

All of this is in spite of being the most blessed people on the planet.

We are not on a road with a dead end,

but a road that leads to a bottomless abyss, of unimaginable horror.

We will reap what we have sown for hundreds of years.

It is a written law, which is as certain as tomorrow?s sunrise.

The destruction, violence and havoc, which we have wreaked worldwide,

is now coming home to haunt us.

In reality we have no friends, because we lied, cheated, stole,

and killed them for that which we coveted and lusted.

The religious leaders of all complexions, are mirroring the political leaders,

and they are all baying for the blood, of those who have not done them

any harm whatsoever.

These despicable liars are all acting in the name of ?god?, yes their ?god?, Satan.

The so called ?Christians?, and so called ?Jews?, are all doing the very same thing.

They mercilessly abuse and kill even infants.

Many scoff and refuse to accept that there is a Satan, and that there is a God.

We are going to learn the very hard way that both exist, and because of our overt

rebellion against the most High God, He is going to let us learn by our harsh experience,

that He is real and will be obeyed, and that we will always suffer the consequences

of our rebellion and disobedience.

The Truth is that there is no other way.

We are seeing the destruction of all that we hold dear.

This is not a matter of running to some perverted church or minister,

but rather following the basic laws of human existence.

Scoffers please do not even comment, you just have to wait and see what is going to happen next.

Having a plan B is not enough.

You will need a plan E and F etc.

Name me a political leader,

Name me a country,

Name me a church,

Name me a business organisation of any type,

which is truly respectable, honest, and not exploiting any, and everyone,

and where the leaders are truly respectable,

who do not lie, steal and kill for their controlling,

and manipulating despotic puppeteers.

We can go even further, they are prepared to sacrifice even their

own children on the altar of Satan, to enrich these despicable basest of men.

Alas now there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

The sky is going to fall on us, and we richly deserve it.

The only remaining choices are that,

We will truly love our neighbour and.

We will truly love the Eternal God or perish.

This is the only hope.

The only way out of this dilemma is Jesus Christ.

He is the only way of escape.

We have to be under His Care and Protection.

Salvation by any other name or means, Simply does not exist.

Complete Obedience is required

Praise the Lord.

Come soon Lord Jesus.

Amen.

Peter James from http://www.peterjamesx.com

I thought the EEC was quite a good idea, but since its inception, it has gradually morphed into a (choose which label you prefer e.g. – Nazi, Fascist, Communist) Dictatorship.

The EU has absolutely no relationship whatsoever with the concept of Democracy, except by illusion.

Whilst I voted in a Referendum to join the EEC, no one in Europe has actually voted on the subject of being a member of the EU.

Whilst the evil war criminal, should be in jail awaiting a court case where the charge should be War Crimes Against Humanity, the fact of the matter is that he is not.

So under the circumstances it seems completely appropriate that the most Evil Politician in Europe – and possibly The World – with only Dick Cheney as serious competition – should get the job of President of the EU

Westminster is of course a complete irrelevance now. All the major politicans of all the 3 main parties are bought and paid for by the EU Dictatorship – and are all the same. So there is absolutely no point in voting for any of them.

In fact there is no point in any of them turning up in The House of Commons, because it is now just a talking shop and irrelevant.

The EU Bureaucrats (Unelected Dictators) control us because they write all the laws, which The British largely obey – because we are basically honest (whilst the rest of Europe largely ignore – because they have known for years that all their politicians are totally corrupt)

So we are basically screwed.

Over 1 Million English Men wasted their lives fighting and dying in two World Wars for Liberty and Independence from European Dictatorship.

Sure the EEC was a good idea, in that it meant international war far less likely in Europe, But Dictatorship is an incredibly aweful way to control anything, because you end up with idiots who decide and implement decisions, the effects of which they do not understand…

So let them have the Evil Bastard as President.

Tony

@Antonietta Wheeler: have you had an original thought today, or are you just regurgitating the words of your religious leader? Yes we all die in the end. Hope I didn’t spoil the book for you.

Fred,

Whilst Antonietta Wheeler may have just done a cut and paste of the words of her religious leader, and it would have been better if he had posted it himself and removed the God and Christ references, as they detracted from his overall message…

It was a far more interesting post than yours.

Tony

Fred,

In fact I appreciated Antonietta Wheeler’s post so much, that not only did I read it again, but I have edited it, removing the bits which I didn’t personally like…cos I agree with it..

“It is a simple provable fact that we are ruled by the basest of men,

in every area of life. Honesty, integrity, truth and any love of others

has been in general replaced by blatant barbarity, lies and murder.

All of this is in spite of being the most blessed people on the planet.

We are not on a road with a dead end,

but a road that leads to a bottomless abyss, of unimaginable horror.

We will reap what we have sown for hundreds of years.

It is a written law, which is as certain as tomorrow?s sunrise.

The destruction, violence and havoc, which we have wreaked worldwide,

is now coming home to haunt us.

In reality we have no friends, because we lied, cheated, stole,

and killed them for that which we coveted and lusted.

The religious leaders of all complexions, are mirroring the political leaders,

and they are all baying for the blood, of those who have not done them

any harm whatsoever.

These despicable liars are all acting in the name of ?god?, yes their ?god?, Satan.

The so called ?Christians?, and so called ?Jews?, are all doing the very same thing.

They mercilessly abuse and kill even infants.

We are seeing the destruction of all that we hold dear.

This is not a matter of running to some perverted church or minister,

but rather following the basic laws of human existence.

Scoffers please do not even comment, you just have to wait and see what is going to happen next.

Having a plan B is not enough.

You will need a plan E and F etc.

Name me a political leader,

Name me a country,

Name me a church,

Name me a business organisation of any type,

which is truly respectable, honest, and not exploiting any, and everyone,

and where the leaders are truly respectable,

who do not lie, steal and kill for their controlling,

and manipulating despotic puppeteers.

We can go even further, they are prepared to sacrifice even their

own children on the altar of Satan, to enrich these despicable basest of men.

Alas now there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

The sky is going to fall on us, and we richly deserve it.

The only remaining choices are that,

We will truly love our neighbour.”

Peter James from http://www.peterjamesx.com

Tony

Incidentally, if you believe all this religious nonsense, and Anthony Charles Lynton Blair is finally charged with War Crimes Against Humanity, and when he is finally jailed, he loses his human rights, and his head is shaved and it really does reveal the number 666….

It will because, it was recognised that he was a complete cunt when he was at university, and when he was asleep his fellow students got the tattoo artist in.

Disclaimer,

I am almost exactly the same age as Tony Blair, and I rode my BSA650 motorcycle to University.

It cost me £35, and had the registration number 666 ALE

Tony

Now that Ireland has voted Yes, and once the Czech and Polish presidents row in, and Tony Blair is ensconced, those who warned us about a “New World Order” are going to be harder to argue with …

http://tinyurl.com/65xlhl

dreoilin,

Read the G4 shit – in today’s Sunday Papers – it Confirms it Blatantly…

My Wife who’s Grandmother insisted she was Direct a Descendent of Not Just One – But Two Of Henry VIII’s Wives…I think they were both called Catherine is a Really Nice Charitable Person in the Real Meaning of Chistianity…

Anyway, she said to me today, why did We Bother Fighting Hitler?

And we live in a road very close to one of the main airfields of WWII

And lots of boys who lived in our road in 1939 joined the RAF, and lost their lives yet Won The Battle of Britain…

And we have let the slimy fascist bastards in to control us…not from Germany by the way – The Germans are not a problem and neither are the French for that matter…

I think there is an enormous amount of evidence that it is The Anglo/Americans of Zionist/Khazar/Eastern European/Soviet/North Eastern Greece/South Russia/Venice/ who are the real cunts…

The Scottish Of Course Are Proud Of The Fact That They Are Responsible For The Biggest Current Evil Bastard (notice how most people think he is English)

“Blair was born in Edinburgh, Scotland on 6 May 1953″

Tony

My initial reaction to Craig Murray’s Question is not printable, because it would make me liable to be arrested and exported to Guantanamo Bay…and be Tortured for the rest of my life…

And on Reflection, I think My Initial Reaction is Far Too Kind…

No Keep The Bastard Alive as Long As Possible – In Jail – and Treated Kindly….

He Just Has to Appear Once a Week – For The Tourists – To See Him and Hear His Confession

“I Am Anthony Charles Lynton Blair and I Am a War Criminal”

And he has to answer Questions

Why Did You Do It Tony?

Tony

Ordinary Americans are being Seriously Fucked Over – at About 12 Times Faster than Europeans…note I admit I am a European…

The Home Repossession Rate in The USA taking the differences in Population is around 12 times greater than in England…

I actually really like Americans – or I have really liked nearly all the Americans I have met…

And on the Internet, I now spend most of my time posting in America, cos from my perception The Internet in America is Like it was in England 12 years ago…

American People are Really Polite and Honest and Passionate…

And So Help Them – By Sending Just a Few Dollars or Pounds or Euros

To Feeding America

As I have – I gave $10

http://feedingamerica.org/

We need all our friends to fight this Evil – and if you give a little – you get more than 10 times back in Return…

Tony

Craig Murray might like to know that our daughter has survived Fresher’s Week without succumbing to Alcohol Poisoning..

And She Got a Full Student Grant and Student Loan….

Not only that – but after surviving her first week at University…

She came back home for around 36 Hours – to attend Rockcorps…

She is all over Their website and has been on National TV…

With Kids Who Are Her Friends – Of All Colours Races and Religions Under The Sun

Rockcorps has come to The UK from America

The idea is simple

You just volunteer 4 hours of your time to do a community project – like painting a school – which she did last year – or cleaning up the rubbish in your local river – or just digging a communal garden – and planting flowers – which is what she did this year…

And if you do this…

Well in London – you get a Free Ticket To The Royal Albert Hall – to see a load of bands…but other stuff happens as well – you make loads of new friends and have an absolutely Brilliant time…

Tony Blair – Fuck Off and Die

Tony

She is so independent, that she has not yet let us see her accomodation…

She wanted to do it herself

But we get occasional text messages – but the phone service is absolutely dire – whenever we try and speak on the phone – virtually every other word is cut out…

To Demonstrate Her Independence

I think as a Direct Result of Being Arrested When She Was 15 Year Old When she was just walking home with her friends less than half a mile from her home – and doing absolutely NOTHING Wrong…

You see – when The Meat Wagon turned up – and all her friends ran for it…

She didn’t Run

She had done absolutely Nothing Wrong

So The Police Couldn’t Catch Her Friends

So They Caught Her…

And He Threw Her To The Ground

And Put His Knee In Her Back

And Dragged Her Arms Behind Her Back

And Put HandCuffs on Her – And Threw Her into The Back Of The Meat Wagon

So He Could Collect Her DNA as instructed by Anthony Charles Lynton Blair

And She Told Them

To

FUCK OFF

She Would Not Give Her Real Name and Address

She Had Done Nothing Wrong

And So Her Friends Told Us She Had Been Arrested

And I Phoned Up The Police Station

“You Have Arrested My Daughter”

And I Gave Her Name

And They Said – “No We Have No Person Of That Name Here.”

It Took Me 5 Hours To Get Her Out Of Jail.

So Now She Has Absolutely No Fear Of The Police

And Was at The G20 Protests in London Taking Photographs Right On The Frontline Of All These Policemen Dressed in Riot Gear…

And The Photographs Were For Her “A” Level in Art and Photography

And Are Now Proudly Mounted In Our Home.

She Ain’t Doing Art and Photography at University

She Can Already Do That And So Is Learning Something New

Tony

Even now she only looks about 15 years old…

Yet at the G20 she dressed conservatively and The Police May have Thought She Was a Press Photographer as She Was Chatting Them Up…

There is no other reason I can think of why they gave her such access – so the next day She was Actually Photographing Them Entering The G20

She is 18 Years Old

And I Am So Proud Of Her

Tony

Yes, there are a lot of valid points in that Antonietta Wheeler post. The trouble with these religious nutters – Christian, Jewish and Muslim – is that they don’t understand that they are a large part of the problem – not the answer. Pots calling kettles black (if black is still a permissably PC word); rival bunches of increasingly rabid lunatics frothing at the mouth, some of them with their hands already on nuclear weapons and others straining every nerve to obtain them so that they can launch their own pet version of Armageddon, the Rapture, Jihad, the Anti-Holocaust, what have you.

Blair’s answer to the question “Why did you do it?” is the same as G.W. Bush’s: God told him to. When mere mortals evade their responsibility in this fashion we should be afraid. Very afraid.

I have only just now realised if Her Great Grandmother was telling the Truth – which I think she was – that she is a direct descendent of both Catherine Parr and Katherine of Aragon

And when People Ask Her Name

She Says

Hi – I’m Katy

Tony

Her boyfriend who she loves to bits is quite openly gay. He is such a lovely person. And Her Girlfriend is the original in The Wizzard of OZ…

She came on holiday to Kephalonia with us when she was about 15…

And she cried her heart out on the bus when it was time to go home…

She said “I have had the best time in my life…..”

Her Parents are Really Nice – But Intellectuals…

And Professors don’t get paid that much if they really like Fucking and Making Lots of Children

But All Their Kids are Lovely and Very Talented

She is Called Dorothy and has also just started University.

You see – these kids go to Universities all over the place = but still keep in contact – cos they love each other so much.

Tony

I think we should just resign and walk away with no compensation whatsover…

I think us English are Really Talented People

We should Resign From The EU…

Slowly and Gracefully Of Course…

And Slowly and Gracefully Go Back To a Monarchy…

Our Kings and Queens Never Fucked Us Like This…

They Took Their Responsibilites Seriously

Which Explains Something That Even I Find Very Difficult To Explain To Americans

Most Working Class English People Completely Hate The Politicians

But They All Loved Princess Diana

Because She Was One Of Us, Was Totally Beautiful and Really Cared- But More Than That

She Had The Most Awesome COURAGE

Tony

My Lovely Wife Says Tony Come To Bed….

But I Just Want To Spit FIRE

In Memory Of All The Kids Who lived in Our Road…

And Climbed Into Spitfires and Learnt To Fly

I Can Fly – But Was Not Taught To Do So In a Time of War

Tony

Tony, love your posts mate !

Love comes in all sorts of forms Frazer. Tony,ever thought to get your own blog?

I also object to being preached at by any religious characters, be they football managers, priests, or missionaries such as Antonietta.

Putting your trust into religion can only one of two things.

I don’t think that baring our buttocks to religions and or any other vested interests in the current poer structure will get as much more than as we ever had. Or it will turn us all into fanatical thinkers, further hardening the messages of omnipotency, superior religious falsehoods whilst spreading anti Darwinian claptrap.

Both notions have turned humanity into what it is now, so why should we possibly want more from someone who pretends to ‘felt the hands of god leading his actions’, giving him the strength to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Jesus Christ was an ape, Antonietta, just as you and me.

Small arms fire?

Don’t know if any of you or Craig knew this chap, but he was a good soul trying to make sense in a world of sharks, a diplomat who served the netherlands for decades.

If you feel like it please read his obituary from ENCOD.

http://www.lca-uk.org/lcaforum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15741

OK, I have signed the petition – what else can I do?

It reminds me of Tom Lehrer: “Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize”

So then, that will be a ‘no’ vote from tony_opmoc.
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“But I thought he was a good Catholic.” – Nai Vety

“Get ready to be branded with 666. Nyah hah hah hah hah!” – Dick Dastardly

“President of Europe. I like that sound of that. Just think, standing side by side with the President of the United States, him with a blue passport and me with a burgundy one. It makes my eyes moist.” – T.B.

Jokes aside, I’m puzzled why the Irish accepted the Lisbon treaty the second time round. I thought they were independent-minded to reject it the first time. Dreoilin, maybe you know the answer?

“But I thought he was a good Catholic.” – Nai Vety

“Get ready to be branded with 666. Nyah hah hah hah hah!” – Dick Dastardly

“President of Europe. I like the sound of that. Just think, standing side by side with the President of the United States, him with a blue passport and me with a burgundy one. It makes my eyes moist.” – T.B.

Jokes aside, I’m puzzled why the Irish accepted the Lisbon treaty the second time round. I thought they were independent-minded to reject it the first time. Dreoilin, maybe you know the answer?

Tony

…and it would have been better if he had posted it himself and removed the God and Christ references, as they detracted from his overall message…but I have edited it, removing the bits which I didn’t personally like…cos I agree with it..

They did indeed detract from his message leading you to EDIT it. A sort of “sexed up dossier” if you will. I think you’ll find that with these religions it’s not a cut and paste affair. Faith: you either have it or you don’t.

I would posit that you don’t need to be a Christian/Muslim/Jew to be a Humanitarian.

With regard to Mr Blair, I think Jesus put it best when he said “…whited sepulchre…”.

I wonder if Mr Blair is a dupe, dangled in front of the public knowing it will incense them, to pave the way for a less objectionable candidate, and in doing so, fool them into accepting the concept of an EU president selected by (I believe) 27 people.

(Unsubstatiated) account of possible fraud and the way Ireland voted on indymedia

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/10/439189.html

“On the streets when handing out information leaflets well over 80% of the people said they would vote no. only a few people would vote yes. A few more, around one in ten, did not bother to go voting they said. But the official figures were that only 30% went voting and of these 30% two thirds voted yes. that is completely opposite from what was heard and said on the streets. People were very moved by this voting and they really hoped for a no vote because they feel so strong about this.”

Would be interesting to see if there are similar stories.

@mrohn: i think it’s quite possible you are right. local councils do it. and it works.

technicolour,

I believe the official turn-out figure was 58%. I’d be wary of any unofficial ‘poll’ taken on the streets (saying that 80% said they would vote No.) I’d be wary of indymedia anyway – Indymedia Ireland has let me down in the past.

“Dreoilin, maybe you know the answer?”

–Abe Rene

I can give you my own synopsis, Abe, but I don’t pretend to be an analyst.

The difference between facing the first vote and facing the second, was the economic crash. Celtic Tiger down the Swanee.

The Yes campaign (Government and major parties) played on people’s fears of further economic woes if we said No. That’s the gist of it.

The No campaign’s public face (or that which the media zeroed in on) was largely made up of Ganley/Libertas + Coir (ultra-nationalist right-wing Catholic) + Sinn Fein. There was, and is, great dislike among many people for both Ganley and Coir (whatever they feel about Sinn Fein). People who might have voted No couldn’t (mentally) associate themselves with the coalition in question, and some/many assumed they just couldn’t be right, given who they were.

Personally I think that if the No campaign had been run *without* Ganley and *without* Coir, the result could have been much closer to 50/50. Ganley is viewed with huge suspicion here because not enough is/was known about his backers, and he has defence contracts with the US Defence Dept (as I understand it.)

(I wrote that off-the-cuff and might amend it slightly here and there if I had more time.)

dreolin: always good to have reservations about sources. thanks for analysis. also good to point out that the Yes vote was shamelessly plugged by the Catholic Church and Ryan Air, to captive audiences. the words unholy partnership spring to mind.

still, in my part of the countryside, few people had any reason to love what they had heard of Europe or Blair. some were falling for the bribery/fear. but many people who voted no were saying there was no point in voting again. they sounded defeated.

I should have added that irrespective of who was running the No campaign, economic fears probably would have won the day – although people should have realised that a No vote could not and would not throw us out of the EU.

Sorry we cross-posted, technicolour!

I’d have dearly loved to set up a “Refuse to Vote Again” campaign. The arrogance of them to ask us twice. Unfortunately my health is not up to the protest/campaign trail these days (other than on the internet).

How to stop Tony Blair?

Stake, Mallet, Anywhere.

“The difference between facing the first vote and facing the second, was the economic crash .. The Yes campaign .. played on people’s fears of further economic woes if we said No.- Dreoilin”

Sadly, that makes a lot of sense, and is also worrying. Obnoxious parties offering full employment are liable to be attractive in a recession. Like in Weimar Germany in the 1930s.

If anyone is interested, a campaign has begun to have Mary Robinson as EU Prez:

http://tinyurl.com/y9f2cds

(I’m rushing madly!)

Dreolin, the Lisbon Treaty does state that any person may bring issue to the EU after gathering a petition with 1 million signatories and only then will the commission decide if they feel your issue is worth addressing. So I think you are kidding yourself if you feel that you have any kind right in determining the EU Presidency. Surely you should be campaigning for your democratic right to vote for an EU leader before even suggesting who that might be.

But perhaps you are in favour of Lisbon? If so, then shut up because if you ask for an unelected leader then that’s exactly what you’re going to get.

Bill, dreolin pointed out in an earlier post that she was against the treaty. I think we have really been stuffed on this one – no-one was really looking at the contents of the Bill at all, it seems. Have posted on the thread above that it authorises both summary execution and the death penalty. No mention of this in the papers. Perhaps there was a D notice or perhaps journalists have not been doing their (grits teeth) jobs.

‘I had always been a supporter of EU membership, but even the possibility of Blair’s appointment crystallises for me the arrogance of Brussels and the increasing distance between EU institutions and people. Should the EU become headed by a war criminal, I shall defintely conclude it is time to leave.’

I’m sure you’re a smarter guy than I, but I did wonder how you had a blind spot on that one. This has all been long planned Craig. The E.U. will just turn into another U.S.A.. Like it isn’t corrupt enough already!

I’m quite intrigued by the Polanski case. He’s had 25 years of freedom and has visited Switzerland many times before he was arrested there so why now? His latest film ‘The Ghost’ is a political thriller starring Pierce Brosnan as an ex British Prime Minister. I’m not saying that Polanski should walk free from his crimes but the timing of his arrest, weeks before shooting this new film is poignant.

Hope you have all had your breakfast!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218637/Another-Blair-house-Cherie-pays-1m-cash-mews-home-thatll-property-number-six.html

No end to their greed. And they obviously don’t care two hoots for what we think.

Good report on Blair talk at the World Faith Foundation recently.

http://neoclassics.blogspot.com/

Like trout and semen, swimming against the anti-religion directional flow of the above comments, I would like to make the point that in the Qur’an there is a good description of people like Blair. Something to the effect that: they say that they will take the responsibility for others who go along with their crimes. . Blair hasn’t yet taken a shred of responsibility for anything. Democracy is the mechanism by which our leaders evade responsibility. If you remember, the dictator Saddam got hung.

Even if you lot don’t, I take comfort from the promise that, if he doesn’t repent, and he continues to use high office to commit war crimes, Blair will be sufficiently and justly rewarded later.

Blair enjoys swimming against the flow of both commonsense and morality, and maybe he really believes that he is right as well. By this definition he is psychotic, several stages worse than being a dangerous nutter.

I’m hoping this media ‘Blair unstoppable’ stuff is just another attempted re-run of his trouncing of Brown in 1994. In other words his chums and spin doctors trying to create the impression that he’s unassailable until it becomes reality. I think the EU will be harder to manipulate than the UK, but maybe I’m being too optimistic. The prospect of this ghastly man becoming EU president is horrifying.

Re: Kate at October 7, 2009 8:38 PM

“The prospect of this ghastly man becoming EU president is horrifying.”

I agree that for Blair to be president of any of the 3 branches of the EU is simply ghastly.

Again, for the sake of clarity: Blair is being nominated for the presidency of the European Union Council and NOT of the EU.

Contrary to popular belief and mis-information in the press and in many blogs, Blair is being put forward for the European Council presidency — to sort of manage the Council, a ‘unifier’ of some kind if you want, and NOT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.

There are three groups in the EU: EU Council which is composed of heads of states, EU Parliament whose members are elected by their respective nations in a Europe-wide parliamentary election, and the EU Commission which is headed by President Baroso, the branch of the EU that sort of takes care of the day to day affairs of the EU and staffed by top ranking civil servants from member countries.

This CREEP has thought of nothing of taking advantige of his previos position & making LOADS of money without a thought of all the people he has killed with his ILLEGAL Wars.

The only president he should be is of a S**t house.

‘Contrary to popular belief and mis-information in the press and in many blogs, Blair is being put forward for the European Council presidency — to sort of manage the Council, a ‘unifier’ of some kind if you want, and NOT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.’

Like President of the E.U. Council is ok for him. Get the shithouse ready!

Tony Blair should be stopped – full stop. When he stands before a war crimes tribunal the people of Iraq might get some justice and he might be shut up for good.

The sooner this arrogant,pompous, self-righteous,mendacious, acquisitive,greedy, messianic menace to truth and justice is condemned by the International Court for war crimes, the happier and safer will be Europe and the world

Tony Blair For President f the EU? Has everyone forgotten his lies and spin and his illegal war in Iraq? How many hunmdreds od thousands of innocent Iraquis died as a consequence. He should go to the Hague for trial.

please all try to stop tony from getting presidency or next time he could try for pope

Well said. He should be rotting jail, but I have little expectation that he ever will.

It seems the Blair power brokers are backing off. The man is hated by so many they probably thought it would actually damage their agenda of further E.U. integration by forcing him in. So democracy isn’t quite dead yet then. Not too long to wait though i’ll warrant…