Best bushra ( good news ) I've heard in a long time. Thanks Craig.

Jack Straw is going to set up his vote factories again.
And if any of his vote factories get raided again, a few Asian scape goats will claim responsibility just like the last time.

How long do you think it will take the Zionists to defend that vote rigging whore?

If Jack Straw is scared of losing, there must be reasons which other parties could exploit. Is Bushra Irfan interested in being a Lib Dem supporter, even nominally? If so, Lib Dems could go to Blackburn in force and help him campaign, but also use the law courts to enforce the fact that election advertising does not come under planning law.

This is a beautiful Palestinian singer, who deserves to be seen and heard. Apparently she's banned by several Arab regimes because her songs about her people's plight are likely to inflame the Arab street.

Listen and you'll understand why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHy1xpznE48&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3d2yHNkFVY&feature=related

Maybe Stephen Fry will tweet her and give it the fame it deserves.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything." -Joseph Stalin (Posthumous campaign advisor to George Bush and Jack Straw).

You can have the decisions of the Returning Officer judicially reviewed. John Hemming (now a Lib Dem MP in Birmingham) put in for so many judicial reviews that he actually had a template on his computer for printing out the paperwork. Birmingham council backed down under threat of judicial review each time, so he never actually had to go to court.

You might want to put Bushra Irfan in touch with John and see if he can help him.

Could we get one thing straight here? Bushra Irfan is a woman.

http://bushrairfan.com/aboutbushra.html

My post from a recent thread here -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/29/jack-straw-labours-great-survivor

On another war criminal, hypocrite and election fraudster. See Craig's previous on BAE, Blackburn and Lord Taylor.

As I asked before what hold does the man of Straw have within NuLabour? He isn't there on merit.

Posted by: mary at March 31, 2010 6:14 PM

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Does anyone have any answers to that question. Something from Bliar's (aka 'Miranda' see Clarissa Dickson Wright's book)) or Brown's (rocking horses and nappies - see Guido Fawkes) pasts??

dreoilin

Do you say that because Bushra is a girl's name?

Arsalan: for me, Craig's comment that "Bushra Irfan has erected a large election poster in her own garden of her own property" was the give away.

Arsalan,
No, but because two previous comments seemed to assume she was male.

"If so, Lib Dems could go to Blackburn in force and help him", and, "You might want to put Bushra Irfan in touch with John and see if he can help him."

I don't normally jump on these things.

I'd love to see Straw getting a run for his money (pun intended, although I have no idea what he's actually worth in financial terms.)

And OT, I am intrigued to see the Archbishop of Canterbury criticising the Catholic Church. High jinks. And the remarks in the Vatican about anti-semiticm getting a tongue-lashing too, in the US and elsewhere. Both well deserved.

After the election results there needs to be some sort of poll carried out in each constituency to check that the results more or less match the polls. In my opinion fraud will be rampant during this election to get the required result for a hung Parliament and cleanse parliament of anybody who isn't compliant.

Ruth: normal exit polls have been shown to be very accurate, with a disparity of more than a couple of percentage points being indicative of probable fraud.

Craig

Simple point but there isn't yet a pending General Election - once it has called I doubt there is anything that the Local Authority can do - providing that the poster is removed within 14 days of the election.

There are plenty of mechanisms for complaining about the behaviour of local authority officials including referral to the Local Government official.

The last word of my post should have read "Ombudsman" rather than "official"

Second MJ on exit polls - but we'd need the Electoral Commission to move on that, and their remit is to protect the status quo and all who sail in her, so it won't happen.

An option someone ought to consider is the deployment of trained volunteers as exit pollsters - I believe this is done in the States. High profile exit-polling might even serve to discourage the worst excesses of vote-rigging. In Scotland Labour know that they are drifting near the edge of a catastrophe curve, and some recent by-election results have been - uh - surprising...

The deployment of trained volunteers as exit pollsters sounds good as long as they're honest.

"Simple point but there isn't yet a pending General Election"

A simple point but a very good one nonetheless stephen.

To follow up on Richards suggestion. If she is an Independent, should she not get all opur help we so obviously offered to Craig in his campaigns.

Can we have a supportive column for her campaign and should we help her to cleanse Jack Straw from the constituency? Getting 200 people in to a meeting is a good start and I hope that she will expose Jack Straw for waht he is, a gerrymandering lawyer with his pants on fire.
I'm skint and not employed, but I will drink two pints to less start an election fund for here here by pledging £5,-

Come on, we either support Independents or we don't, she l;ooks like a good candidate to support. Any more information on her policies would be well appreciated.

Next time, make sure you have copy of the appropriate rule printed out, and call out the police.

The perps are obvously ilegally on private property and affecting a democratic right and lawfull right to display such material.

Mary,

I didn't read it all--my stomach churned.

"You can't back away from it. But there was no lie. . . It's too easy for people to say everybody knew there were no WMD. No, everybody did not know that. Poor David Kelly said to me that he believed the war was justified, and plenty of others took that view."

I find what this man says, is totally contemptible and the man himself, totally repugnant.

There may have been some people living in remote areas of the Earth, who did not know about the alleged WMDs, but those who were involved in the serious business of war, certainly did know the true situation--and this very man helped to contrive imaginary WMDs.

If he is re-elected, he will have proved, either that, the people of Preston are absolutely simple (as I think, he believes them to be) or the vote is rigged.

I have listened to this man tie himself into verbal knots, trying to avoid, what might be judged as the truth. He is incredibly dim for a lawyer and uses words like "dodgy dossier", when he means "false intelligence". He is indeed, a creature of very low cunning.

"If he is re-elected, he will have proved, either that, the people of Preston are absolutely simple (as I think, he believes them to be) or the vote is rigged."

Please look at a map - Jack Straw is the MP for Blackburn not Preston. The people of neither are simple, but I daresay if either get the wrong result you would want to selct another electorate.

I am puzzled - the post at 12.58pm is not from me. My last was at 9.31 this morning??? Has another person of the same name joined in or is someone playing a game?

John, were you referring to the contents of that post @9.31am or to something else? Can't see Dr Kelly/WMDs in the strange (alleged) backgrounds of Blair and Brown.

I think I prefer the new Mary - she certainly has a better sense of geography than John!

Labour-run Glasgow City Council decide not to carry out an investigation into their own wrong-doing -

'Purcell saga - Is that it then?'
SNP Tactical Voting
03 Apr 2010
http://www.snptacticalvoting.com/2010/04/purcell-saga-is-that-it-then.html

'The decision by Labour and Liberal Democrat Glasgow Councillors this week that there will be no inquiry into the numerous mysterious strands of the Stephen Purcell affair is disappointing but not surprising.

The Council leader interviewed by police about a drugs-related blackmail plot, fellow council members wishing to describe Purcell has having a "chemical dependency", a system of patronage and cronyism via these ALEOs that no other Scottish council saw fit to create, councillors setting their own financial rewards on these bodies hundreds of thousands of pounds paid over and above the councillor wage and questions over links between Labour politicians and Labour donors.'

Stephen,

I couldn't reply, as I was busy. That is an impressive list of causes that you claim to support, but I still don't trust you.

mary (new mary),

mary has been commenting here for years. You should choose another name, and post an explanation to clear up the confusion.

Ingo

Lost your number! Can you call me on 07979 691085.

Stephen

It says the election must be pending, not called. The electroal commission egulations for election expenditure has two periods. The "Long campaign" and "short campaign". The "Long campaign" begins on 1 January of any year in which an election must be held, the short campaign once its called. During the long campaign period, 50% of all expenditure on behalf of a campaign must be declared. It follows material is allowed in the long campaign. We are in the long campaign.

I don't know when this long campaign concept came in - it's new to me too.

Ruth -

Remember the fraudulent postal ballot system. You won't pick that up on exit polls.

Also, someone should be watching the carehomes. Someone in Blackburn described how a party member would waltz in and re-emerge with everyone signed up to New Labour. I suppose, if true, that every little helps.

Ingo: a strategy seems to be emerging. Vote Independent, if that candidate is top quality and has a chance of unseating an outstandingly atrocious incumbent. Vote Lib Dem as a a national strategy if neither apply. Is this right?

"Remember the fraudulent postal ballot system. You won't pick that up on exit polls".

Yes you will. If there are enough of them and they're disproportionately skewed in favour of one candidate, they'll lead to a tell-tale disparity with the exit poll results.

Craig
'Remember the fraudulent postal ballot system. You won't pick that up on exit polls.'

Yes, I agree that may be the easiest way to manipulate votes. I noticed the Conservative flyer recently had a form urging voters to use this simple method.

Then perhaps it would be better to take a random sample from the constituents door to door.

Guardian report from 2005:

"Mr Mawrey, a deputy high court judge who has sat through four weeks of evidence that thousands of postal votes were stolen to be changed or filled in by Labour supporters, said the fraud was not the actions of a "few hotheads". It was carried out with the full knowledge and cooperation of the local Labour party and "extensively prevailed" throughout the city, where applications for postal votes soared from 28,000 to 70,000 last year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/apr/05/politics.localgovernment

It may be belatedly picked up, but what good will that do? In this case the judge declared the elections void. I agree, we need observers.

It wasn't just there, it happened everywhere. Post votes are designed to be forged.
They just got caught there, because they had created a vote factory, with many employees filling in votes on a production line.

I've just noticed this headline from the Guardian

'Mandelson: Brown may not be PM for long, even if he wins election'

A pre-election campaign through rigged opinion polls and media propaganda coupled with a fraudulent election to bring in a hung parliament followed by a coalition government to be headed by Mandelson - an unparallelled era of economic sanctions and oppression.

Writerman: you sound a bit down. If you lived in Cuba, according to a nice person I met who fled, this blog would be banned, and any similar activities likewise. Or one would be in fear of one's life & liberty, which we are not; vide Russia, Honduras, Burma, etc etc etc. One has to work with what one has?

What makes Blair a "public figure" in the UK of today?

technicolour, thats a very good ground rule and do not forget to point to the Greens as a choice, where they are in with a chance, they should succeed, imho.
So who is nearest to Bushra Irfan? I had a look at her website and there's not much happening.
She needs a hand and someone nearer could be that person.
If she would have someone who has a knowledge of the Constituency and can direct the teams of helpers, with another person making sure that all paperwork and rigmarole is taken care of, then the campaign would have some shape to it.

I don't expect that Mathias would come all the way from Sweden, he is probably too busy.

jack Straw has got an appalling record and there are some local angles that could benefit her campaign, she has a good chance and I like the fact that she has opened her arms by becoming an Independent.
howboutit? anyone for cricket?

Sorry Craig

"Pending" was and is defined in Schedule 9 of PPERA as follows

(3) For the purposes of this Schedule a parliamentary general election is
pending during the period—
(a) beginning with the date on which Her Majesty’s intention to dissolve
Parliament is announced in connection with a forthcoming
parliamentary general election, and
(b) ending with the date of the poll for that election.

The TCPA 2007 refers to PPERA so it is pretty clear.

The long campaign relates to the new limits on election expenses.

And I think the law is absolutley correct - I very much doubt the public would like to see the landscape covered with electoral hoardings for a period up of to a year and 14 days in theory.

Are there now two Marys (or as in the song, are there three?). This one doesn't seem the same as the 'old' one. Has somebody taken over 'Old Mary's' mind? Perhaps the 'new' one could call herself, 'Mary II' but then there would have to be a William III, not to mention an Old Pretender. How about 'Bloody Mary'...? Maybe not. It's very confusing, New Mary. Please clarify. Or we risk a Marian cult.

Maybe they're going to take us all over - adding a new dimension to our persona.

No need to censure the blogs like in Cuba now.

No need to assume such names as Larry or Stephen etc etc

Or maybe this is just a practice run before altering the postal votes. Although I thought they'd already had enough practice.

Ruth,

I see that you're very worried about the possibility of a hung parliament. I have generally hoped for this outcome. It seems unlikely that anyone other than Labour or (more likely) Conservative would obtain an overall majority, either of which is very bad, so a hung parliament looks like a better outcome to me.

I agree that Mandelson would be a disaster. I don't like to be at odds with you, but I can't decide what represents the least-bad outcome. I keep wondering what we can do; maybe volunteer to help count the votes - any thoughts, anyone?

Suhayl,

hello! I e-mailed to your Joseph's Box Info address.

Clark,
I'm not worried about a hung parliament. I'm very worried that the election reult is being engineered

Hi Clark,

Did you do that just now, or some time ago? It's not come through yet to my in-box, maybe there's a delay: I don't know how these things operate, it's all Greek to me (as the Roman centurion said to the Pict). As soon as I get it, I'll e-mail you back.

Ruth - you are the same Ruth as before, I presume, it seems that Mary is not and has become 'borg', 'mind-snatched' or else 'legion', impostered, Jekyll-and-Hyded - yes, I wonder whether all these multiple personalities are designed to confuse. Is Stephen a Larry, after all? Who knows?

Clark: I think the problem is not that there will be a hung parliament, rather that an inconclusive election result will lead to a coalition government, which is different.

In a coalition (the last one in the UK was during the war) the parties effectively become as one and opposition disappears. A coalition could push through swingeing austerity measures and other undesirable policies and there would be nothing we could do about it. In only a few weeks time the UK could have effectively become an autocratic one-party state.

Hi Suhayl,

I sent it at 18:21 on April 1st. As to your second question, it's all you and Arsalan's fault, you know; you said that Larry was a poor quality agent, and asked for someone of a higher calibre to be assigned. Customer Services were unusually responsive!

MJ,

wouldn't that be a difference in appearence only? When it comes to important decisions, like wars of aggression, giving half a trillion to the banks, etc, the two bigest parties tend to back eachother up anyway.

Clark: yes, that's true. But perhaps we ain't seen nothin' yet.

Election engineering doesn't have to be Carzai style. ie 1/ fraudulent 2/feudal. It is clear that in the Birmingham Muslim community at the last election a judge found that it was both of these. The same was probably true in Blackburn. That's an inner-city Asian problem.

For the rest of the country, voters who have seen the accumulative economic mismanagement of both political parties are likely to abstain. Voters who don't think about politics are likely to protest swing to the Tories as in Norwich North. Younger voters who don't remember the Tories will give them a chance. Older voters who remember the Tories will never vote for the Tories again.

From their assessment of who will vote for them, the parties will utter the correct platitudes to bring their share of the catch home.

On the subject of democracy, we have seen in the latest election in Iraq, 200 political parties, organised on feudal lines, gathered into two blocks of about equal votes, leading to a hung parliament situation. Although the Tony Blairs of this world dismiss Saddam Hussein and dictatorship out of hand, the change to democracy in Muslim countries only encourages feudalism. At street level, keeping your nose clean towards the dictator, in order to stay out of trouble is a much simpler and less dangerous task than being beholden to corrupt, feudal middle-men.

The West knows that it is much easier to control Muslim societies through tribal, feudal, so-called-democratic oppression, as conceived by T.E.Lawrence's tribal ladder system. Saddam Hussain was a thousand times better for Iraqis than the present democracy. The problems came when politicians backed by Western powers, challenged the dictator. He took his revenge on the populations, not on the people who were challenging him. That aspect of dictatorship is completely unacceptable. In general, except when provoked, rigid dictatorship keeps the tribal barons under control and this is generally preferable to the type of feudal corruption of a Carsai style regime.

Democracy in the West is a cover for the malign hegemony of the bankers who run the global economic system. In my opinion the US and UK's industrial and military power have both been hijacked by the enemies of Islam, to destroy the Muslims.
Democracy for Muslim countries permits malign feudal corruption to oppress the people so that the bankers who control the global economic system can get on with the job of pinching the people's assets from them.

Ruth,

I think the mentions in the media about a hung parliament are genuine - many people really have lost trust in the Big Two, and are thinking of voting otherwise. I recently saw a BBC piece that attributed decline in some economic indicator (I forget which) to "fears" in "the market" of a hung parliament that couldn't enact "required changes" quickly. On telly I heard that "business" is now backing the Tory party.

I think an overall majority suits the non-democratic powers. The smaller party is directed to make a lot of noise, giving the impression of "opposition", but the real powers know that the vote will go as required.

In a hung parliament the big two might have to collude to maintain the status quo, and the illusion would break down, possibly permanently.

MJ,

I agree that there is worse to come. All these losses of civil liberties were not without purpose. It was obvious that the system of perpetual economic growth was unsustainable. "Unsustainable" - it's become a slogan, but it means that stuff has to break!

Technicolour,

I agree with your strategy. I wish the LibDems would team up with the Greens in England, and stand aside for, and indeed support, good independents. Breaking the stranglehold of The Big Two should be the priority.

"Oppose The Big Two" - it's my new slogan!

Anno,

didn't the Tories actually get less votes in Norwich North than at the previous election, but not as many less than Labour? Just from memory, I haven't checked.

p.s. With friends of Israel groups operating the main political parties,it makes no difference to the horrible banking hegemony which party gets elected, but in my opinion it will be the Tories, based on what happened in Norwich North.

It will only make headaches for the horrible hegemony if there is a hung parliament. But there again, if they've got their best men and women ready to take advantage of the confusion, like Israel slave David Miliband, yes, I agree they can cause mayhem.
For myself I find it difficult to conceive of worse mayhem than what they have already managed to achieve with Tory and New labour majorities. But I may be wrong.

Don't vote for anyone who is a 'Friend of Israel' is the easiest way to bring about change, in my opinion.

Dreoilin: sorry, my mistake. I would now say:

If Jack Straw is scared of losing, there must be reasons which other parties could exploit. Is Bushra Irfan interested in being a Lib Dem supporter, even nominally? If so, Lib Dems could go to Blackburn in force and help her campaign, but also use the law courts to enforce the fact that election advertising does not come under planning law.

Ruth,

I just saw your April 1, 10:56 PM post on the Pentagon Gives thread, and the link to the Daily Mail article - yes, coalition looks like a serious concern.

Arsalan: "Does anyone else want to join my discussion on Larry's mother?
Any questions on how she smells?"

You really are primitive, aren't you, Arsalan?

Having said this:-

"For the rest of the country, voters who have seen the accumulative economic mismanagement of both political parties are likely to abstain. Voters who don't think about politics are likely to protest swing to the Tories as in Norwich North. Younger voters who don't remember the Tories will give them a chance. Older voters who remember the Tories will never vote for the Tories again."

Then:-

A.Is voting not a process that does in fact impact the process; and, if not

B. Then what is the credible argument that even incrementally some change is not effected; and then

C. Is the choice either:-

i) All out revolution: or

ii) Incremental change?

Actually a serious question.

MJ

The worry is not a coalition (eg of Labour and LibDems). In a coalition there is still an opposition. The threat is a so-called 'government of national unity' where all major parties join the government, and there is effectively no opposition.

You may well argue that there is only a sham opposition in Parliament at the moment. But at least the principle of the legitimacy of opposition is maintained. If there is a government of national unity then all opposition, even outside parliament may become de-legitimated (eg Craig's attacks on government ministers such as Jack Straw might be censored).

Unity governments usually only come into being when there is a national emergency such as WWII, but we may well be on the cusp of an economic emergency.

It would be nice if we could get an assurance from the LibDems that they would not participate in any such government, but there's no way we're going to get one. They seem to be much more insiders these days under Clegg than they were under Kennedy, and consequently their policies are much more aligned to the other two parties.

We are entitled to know what the parties would do if there is a hung parliament - but they're not about to tell us.

Mandelson's suggestion about Brown going is quite extraordinary, but it has been evident since his last return that he is effectively in charge of Labour now. I dont think he'll be PM, but he'll be the one pulling their strings.

Phil,
You've said exactly what I've been trying to say but you have more expertise. This government of National Unity is being engineered in the opinion polls and the media right now and will be fixed with electoral fraud.

You don't have to be religious to realise that what's happening to the Palestinians, at the hand of Israel, is an ongoing crime against humanity.

I'm continually astonished at how those nice people at the BBC provide ongoing cover to these Israelis to continue their crimes.

They're being slaughtered and ethnically cleansed in your time.

You don't have to tell your children and grandchildren you watched and did nothing

Please use all your resources to defend these pitifully defenceless people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHy1xpznE48&feature=player_embedded#at=26

Anno, I think your analysis of T.E Lawrence and his political descendants and the nature of Orientalist colonialism/ neocolonialism is spot-on. Thank you for providing such an astute schema.

Of course, as you know, the West will also back/ install dictators - but will do so only for as long as they are controllable, useful puppets - my earlier point somewhere or other about Saddam Hussein and Idi Amin. It's really any arrangement that facilitates economic and military hegemony. But divide-and-rule is the preferred homeostasis.

Rock on, brother!

In these contexts, see Badruddin Gowani's excellent site:

http://globeistan.com/

"I am puzzled - the post at 12.58pm is not from me. My last was at 9.31 this morning??? Has another person of the same name joined in or is someone playing a game?" Original Mary

Original Mary, your virtual persona has been taken-over by another life-form, a silicon mirror-being who, I sense, espouses diametrically opposed views to you. An anti-matter alien, who arrived all clean and shiny in a pod from Vauxhall. A psychopoliticophysical exorcism is called-for! Anyone have a screwdriver?

I was at most of the protests outside the Israeli Embassy in January 2009 whilst the atrocities of Cast Lead were being enacted on the civilian population of Gaza.

The protests were entirely peaceful until the riot police in their gear arrived (with their barking dogs) moving forward to compress the crowd who had filled that narrow part of Kensington High Street. I observed them following orders over their walkie talkies. I had left before the violent scenes took place but it was obvious from the many videos and reporting that kettling had taken place and that there was police violence.

75 young people have been arrested (hear about the dawn raids and handcuffing in the video) and many have been given draconian prison sentences by a Judge John Denniss at Isleworth Crown Court There has been very little reporting in the MSM needless to say.

I missed this piece on Newsnight but thank goodness for Joanna Gilmore who has made a study of what took place and the sentencing.

This from Medialens -
Are The UK Police and Courts Out Of Control?
Posted by redadare on April 4, 2010, 7:46 am

In case you are thinking of joining the next free Gaza demo, prepare yourself for the full force of the UK police state.

Newsnight (!!!) reports on an investigation by Joanna Gilmore, Lecturer at Manchester University, into the protests against Operation Cast Lead last year, this is what was found.

"Disproportionate number of people arrested"

"Of the 75 people arrested, 65 were charged with violent disorder, ... is one the most serious public disorder offences"

"Jake Smith was lucky to have a laywer who'd spent hours unpaid going through the videos, yet the lawyer was then legally forbidden from sharing what he saw with other defendants"

"People were charged separately with seperate trials ... an undertaking that which I've not seen the like of before, that we were not allowed to disclose our video evidence to anybody else"

"Almost all of those charged were Muslims. They were generally young Muslims"

"Most people were arrested in dawn raids, where the police targetted particular communities "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGGoM4zHpI&playnext_from=TL&videos=Zsk1Elb90Vs&feature=sub

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Definitely a deterrent to future protests. Is there a police state? Have we got a Fascist government? Are NuLabour pro Israeli? Is the Pope a Catholic?

Again, MJ is right. Although postal votes are not directly observed, the probability of a postal vote being fraudulent can be strongly inferred from exit poll results. This is the rather interesting area of 'forensic statistics' and can be surprisingly powerful. As a curious example, in WW2 troops were asked to record and report the serial numbers of any captured or abandoned German tanks. On the reasonable assumption (if you think about it a bit) that there are probably as many serial numbers above the highest seen as there are below the lowest seen (and you know how many there are below the lowest seen) you can work out how many tanks have been built. The Germans found out, and began to to randomize their tank serial numbers.

Statistical arguments are sometimes easily waved away, however. Before re-organistaion, the old Monklands area (east of Glasgow) had 17 (Labour) councillors, all of them Catholic. The probability of getting 17 out of a sample of 17 of one particular type from a population containing 20% of that type by chance alone is 1.3 x 10^-12, or about one in a trillion. Nevertheless Labour have always insisted that their selection procedures are not sectarian.

'Definitely a deterrent to future protests. Is there a police state? Have we got a Fascist government?'

No, this is the British method of implementing a totalitarian regime. They're avoiding a head on collision by not banning demonstratrions outright. Bit by bit they're putting people off demonstrating by kettling, injuring, murdering and now with their compliant judges handing out the longest sentences possible. Well it won't be much different living outside prison from inside.

The Miners' Strike, 1984. Cable Street, 1930s. Special Branch was founded around 1919, I think, as an anti-Irish-Independence explicitly political police force. The Peelers were set up by Robert Peel in the mid-C19th to protect the property of the new bourgeoisie. Nothing new, in essence, but it is new in the sense of there being an intensification of the systemic politicising of the already-politicised police in favour of global imperial war.

Laz Taz's mother stinks.

When you think about it, if Craig has put up this blog for sensible discussion and someone uses it just for trolling, then new tactics have to be employed.

In fact, moral relativism demands a change in strategy, relative to the disruption, even if moral absolutism doesn't.

There's no point being stuck in a marriage where your partner male/female goes out everyday shagging, while you sit at home looking after the children and earning your living. The nasty side of feminism/male chauvinism is when one party is abiding by the rules, and the other isn't. You have to escape and establish moral absolutism again. Believe me, you do.

I have to abide by the rules as an electrician, but there are plenty of competitors and customers who want to cowboy it while they sit on benefits. They are not going to get penalised by the rules.

Bankers who control the money supply know when to sell and when to buy because know the timing of the highs and lows. Any body who sits comfortably above the law, such as superpowers who ignore the Geneva convention, political agitators who are given asylum in the West while civil war rages through the country they have escaped from, people on benefits who don't have to conform to work rules, priests and imams who collaborate with authority against the people who adhere to their religion, and indeed trolls on liberal blogs, - they have all got you by the goolies. You can not and must not just sit there following the rules yourself, while your name is passed on to the authorities, which are in the various examples given above, your own family, your bank, your Building Inspector, your government, your MI6 anti-terror department, or even your blog owner.

" Do you have a lead for that blog, Sir, during the lambing/election season?"

What to do? Abandon moral absolutism and adopt moral relativism? Temporarily maybe while you make your case and try to understand your situation. If you see yourself caught in a trap and consistently having to break the rules, or if your case for removing the annoyance is rejected, you have to move on, and find a place where absolute values are respected and protected by an honest regime.

The blog owner can if he chooses sit above the blog not participating in the thread except to regulate the discussion. Larry's race card, of anti-semitism, or any other false victim excuse is a last resort of a lost cause.

Gordon Brown lets off the bankers by accepting their statement that they are poor little suffering bankers in a world-wide recession.

Call a spade a spade. The UK and US establishments have conducted three devastating, totally illegal, genocidal invasions, Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. The same UK and US criminal class as bankers have destroyed the Western economies. Then they have the gall to claim that they are the victims.

Sufficient is the Editor of the universe as a witness, that the portrayal of themselves as victims will not be accepted, but the real victims are also obliged not to be passive recipients of oppression.

I don't think the Council has a right just to remove a poster under the Town and Country Planning Acts unless it either serves an enforcement notice (which takes ages to go through the system) or a stop notice. Has it done this? OPr have I missed something?

The landlord could remove it if it's a council house (I don't think Blackburn has any nowadays) or social housing under a housing association (in which case the HA would take the action not the council).

Tony Greaves

My laptop mysteriously switched itself off before I had finished. Gordon Brown also uses the race victim card when he claims this poor little country, that never did anything to hurt anybody, never stole anything or thought about using a proxy dictator to steal for it, is a victim of Islamic terror. It's pathetic. It's positively Larryesque. The other side of Laz is Taz. Whingeing victim on one side of the coin, ruthless aggressor on the other. We see off Larry on the blog. When is someone going to see off this creep of New Labour spin? Certainly not Her Majesty's opposition.

Thank you Tony for pointing this out again, not many Independent new candidates know this.
I hope that we can somehow support Bushra, I hear she is yet to appoint an election agent.

The problem is that councils assume that unexperienced candidates do not know about the laws that govern election, even some experienced candidates do not know everything, including myself.

Add to this the reality of the situation as pointed out by Mary, legitamite protests is crushed with judicious rigmarole. Government is using systems designed to deliver justice, for its own agenda, covering up their misdemeanors, they use the judisciary to apprehend, divide and ostracise its society.

Jack Straw is a kin/lynchpin of this undermining of the public, creeping fascism would not be far off the mark.
Secret allegiances by Government ministers, aims of other states are more important than their domestic issues, thats wrong and Independents are partial to some of this treatment.

Once again, if you are up near Blackburn, support Bushra in her campaign, Jack Straw is wobblin'.

'This is the British method of implementing a totalitarian regime.'

Ruth puts it in a nutshell, and it explains her parallel concern about a hung parliament. If all three party leaders agree on the victim card that we are poor little victims of 1/ Islamic terrorism and 2/ a global recession, instead of admitting that we are principle agents of these two problems, then we are in effect kettled.

Unable to escape, we have to relieve ourselves in public in a smelly underground station entrance, otherwise known as a dissident blog, and we can't leave without giving our names and addresses. I am using kettling as a metaphor for our position after the election. Ruth is right to be worried that unity of lying by all three leaders could enable them to crush all opposition. Not just demonstrators but also blog protestation.

Just as Martin Luther found protection from within the establishment, I believe that God is merciful and will provide protection in some quarter of our political establishment. The solidity of the global oppressors of our time looks stronger than it actually is. Who dared criticise the mighty Maggie about the Poll Tax. Just three M.P.s, one of whom was true blue William Benyon, whose library books I spent many weeks repairing. But who wasn't ready to stab her in the back after she was gone?

We are standing at the threshold of a revolution as important as the removal of Papal domination. It is an unstoppable force, in spite of apparent strength of the establishment. You only have to think about the icons of their power, Prince Philip, corgis, electronically-gated mansions in the English countryside, penthouses of power in the City, to know that their time has finished. It is spring and new ideas are pushing through from outside this country, from Japan, India and China, as well as from Islam.

Vronsky Re your 9.44 post:

Your tank serial-number story is an example of the practical use of what scientists call the principle of mediocrity.

While I usually agree with the things you write, I must take issue with your probability estimate in the second paragraph. When attempting to calculate probabilities, it is good practice to make a list of the assumptions that one is making. In this case you are assuming that the Labour party membership has the same proportion of Catholics as the general population. Given the tendency towards sectarianism in that part of the UK your assumption is unlikely to be true. If one starts off with a figure based on a dubious assumption the result can be completely meaningless. It seems far more likely that at that time the local Labour party membership was mainly Catholic.

@MarkU

Thank you for the intelligent response. Of course you are right, and there are many pits and traps between a simple observation and what it might or might not mean. My more considered view is that there is a nexus between the Labour Party and the Catholic community (to which I belong) which at one time was functionally practical, and politically and morally positive - or at the very least defensible. Indeed there are cultural and important (if depressing) historical reasons why the membership of the Labour Party in the central belt is unrepresentative of the population at large. But I'm a maths freak. Tune the the numbers as you please, but you can never arrive at a score that says anything except that the Labour Party in the West of Scotland is a sectarian cult.

Just had a knock on the door from the New Labour agents, ( Pakistani ) of the exceedingly racist Liam Byrne M.P.
I provided them with an A4 photo of their candidate with a two-pronged snake's tongue protruding from his lips. Their argument is that all parties have the same foreign policies. Last year I called them munafiq, which means hypocrites. I don't have a worse word to call them. They know about Islam, but they side with those who attack Islam.

Liam Byrne... forgive my ignorance, which constituency is that, anno? You did well, sending away election agents for a govt with the record of the current one, esp. if your MP isn't anti-war, etc.

Liam Byrne is M.P.for Hodge Hill. His meteoric rise to being a member of the cabinet is due to his skill at arranging popular meetings which are opposed to immigration and claiming that these meetings represent majority opinion.
Rule not of mediocrity but of downright lies. His style, like Hazel Blears', is to draw the conclusion that because one or two unscrupulous local councillors agree with New Labour, it follows that they are representative of the silent majority who disagree.

He isn't local, he is a New Labour nerd. He gets local projects done and sends out questionnaires about our concerns. My main concern is that known war criminals are able to live and move freely around the UK without being arrested and tried. Nice bloke, shame about the hissss.

Anno

"Saddam Hussain was a thousand times better for Iraqis than the present democracy. The problems came when politicians backed by Western powers, challenged the dictator."

Wait a moment wasn't everyone saying that he was gassing Kurds and Iranians when the US was his ally. You guys need to get your story straight.

But at least there we have it gassing your own citizens is a thousand times better than democracy. And I'm the one who is accused of being a fascist!

Last post was from me

I'm loving it Anno. I'm calling him Kaa from now on.

Why did Rothschilds give him an interest free loan?
Why did his 'venture' EDS get a Govt contract?
etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Byrne#External_links

I bet that if he had been in the HoC in 2003 he would have voted for the Iraq war.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/liam_byrne/birmingham,_hodge_hill

Look at his voting record and his Register of interests entry.

See how he rose very quickly to a powerful position. Students' Union, MBA from Harvard, Accenture, Fulbright scholar, employee of Rothschilds, advisor to Bliar,MP, Govt. Minister...a well worn path.

No slouch but I would love to see the smile wiped off his smug face.

Stephen it is to do with numbers. what you call democracy, non-Zionists call genocide.
In 06 the Lancet put the death to 655 000.
So how much is it now, and how high would it need to get before you stop using the word democracy and start using genocide like everybody else?
Now even the British and the American government have realised that it was completely wrong to invade, even some of the people who pushed for the invasion have now recognised it was a crime.
But to you Zionists it is a democracy!!
Just like you lot call the genocide the Zionists inflicted on the Palestinians the creation of a new democracy.

Stephan, stuff your Zionist democracy up your arse!!!

Interesting, Mary, thanks for providing the info. Byrne is clearly another brick in the wall. I assume, btw, that you are the 'original' Mary again and not the interloper.

I simply used your own words - not mine.

So who should challenge fascist dictators who gas their fellow Muslims, or those who blow up innocent Muslims and others as suicide bombers. Or can these crimes against humanity be excused by the crimes of others including the Zionists using the perverse logic in which you revel?

BTW you seem to have something of an anal fixation which you need to get sorted out.

Love and kisses.

PS I think in future I will just ignore your obnoxious and ignorant postings.

"So who should challenge fascist dictators who gas their fellow Muslims"?

The people living under that dictatorship, Stephen, I suggest.

Keep posting stuff like this i really like it

Technicolour

And what if they need some help??? Would you have applied the same argument for not fighting the Germans in WW2. What do you think Orwell would have made of that argument when it came to fighting the fascists in Spain?

You should perhaps remember that the appeasers used the very same arguments in the 1930s.

Dental hygenist

I bet you do - you can almost hear the grinding of teeth!

What I wrote on: arsalan at April 4, 2010 10:26 PM

Makes me me look like a real Nazi doesn't it?

Unless it was typed by a Zionist Nazi who is too thick to type his own name in the "Name:" box?

What that Nazi is saying is, because a dictator killed some people during a war it is ok for America to go in and kill about 10% of the population?

What kind of Nazi are you?

I have said it before, and I will say it again, Zionists are Nazis!
Each and everyone of them.
No one else would use that type of logic.

People here should look at what stephen writes and realise, Iraq wasn't invaded for oil, it was invaded for Israel.

Everyone recognises that the numbers that were killed invading Iraq was too much. Everyone except the Zionists!
All they have noticed is one of Israels enemies are gone. Every Iraqi death is seen as a victory to the Zionists, as they view each death as one less potential enemy.
It was the Zionist Neocons who pushed for the war. They were on the left, and when they saw the left didn't want wars for Israel they changed sides to the right.

Stephen,

I was right to distrust you. What point is there in practicing your ability to sound reasonable?

"Ruth puts it in a nutshell, and it explains her parallel concern about a hung parliament. If all three party leaders agree on the victim card that we are poor little victims of 1/ Islamic terrorism and 2/ a global recession, instead of admitting that we are principle agents of these two problems, then we are in effect kettled."

Very honest,wise appraisal there...

@Mary

"See how he rose very quickly to a powerful position. Students' Union, MBA from Harvard, Accenture, Fulbright scholar, employee of Rothschilds, advisor to Bliar,MP, Govt. Minister...a well worn path."

Yep you're right there Mary- a well-trodden predictably smooth path...but don't forget the Successor Generation and Common Purpose path either....

Regards...

"Wait a moment wasn't everyone saying that he was gassing Kurds and Iranians when the US was his ally. You guys need to get your story straight

Last post was from me" - stephen

I'm suprised at that, the phrasing is straight out of larry.

Both he and the invasion killed a hell of a lot of people. Is one of those supposed to make the other invisible ? Could they not both be horrible ?

It's not a fucking football match, all scoring points and wahey for one arbitrary side. It's real dead bodies and misery. Act human, can't you ?

Stephen,

since my April 4 11:56 PM comment, I've read through the previous thread, and you seem to show more humanity there. So I apologise for my comment above. However, I feel that it is a shame to see what you have posted on this thread. Democracy is of no use to the dead.

Oui, c'est moi Suhayl, I sound like Werthers Original!

I made a typo on Byrne's company. It is EGS not EDS which is now a subsidiary of Hewlett Packard.

EGS is thriving unlike the rest of the economy by picking up Govt. outsourcing contracts as announced on their News page.

This is their website on which Byrne does not feature, either on the Board or Management. It appears that a private equity outfit Frontier Capital Partners own it so presumably he sold out or has one of those remote trusts.

http://www.egsgroup.com/egs-at-a-glance/

He states that in 2007 he held 'Shares and share options in EGS Group Ltd, of a value below the registrable threshold.' ??

and on 1 November 2005 Shares and share options in EGS Group Ltd, of a value below the registrable threshold. Again ??

Remunerated employment, office, profession etc
Member, Supervisory Board, EGS Group Ltd (IT solutions to the public sector). (£10,001-£15,000)

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11360

A bit of digging for a financial sleuth
to do?

If you have nothing else to do today you can scroll down this page for the current register of interests for all MPs. Interesting to see what fees and bunce they pick up in addition to their salaries, expenses et al.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?d=2010-02-24#11360

Clark/technicolour

Nothing is of any use to the dead in my view. The important question is what goes on in real life - and I will happily, and always, defend the view that democracy provides a better defence against genocide, and protects human rights better than other political systems. I'm not saying it is perfect but it is definitely the least worst alternative.

Others of course may wish to put words in my mouth and say I support genocide in defence of democracy and/or condone all acts during and after the invasion of Iraq (or by the allies during WW2 for that matter. Which they then top up with continual abuse. But they would be wrong - even democracies do nasty things I'm afraid, but they do have the virtue that they are open to improvement, which is not usually a feature of dictatorships and totalitarian regimes.

The more serious, and helpful, questions which those who opposed the Iraq war might address, rather than condemnation of the perpetrators which probably doesn't help anyone either, is how we design a system that helps prevent dictators like Saddam ever coming to power, and the not unrelated question of achieving peace and stability in Israel/Palestine.

The problem of course is consistency. if we attacked Saddam Hussein because he was a dictator and to restore democracy, why do we simultaneously support the regimes of Karimov, Mubarak and the Saudis? Why don't we give Diego Garcia back to the islanders?

If you belive Iraq was about democracy, you are a fool.

I agree there is a chance - no more than that - that in a few years things will be better than they were under Saddam. Whether that was worth the hundreds of thousands of deaths, the devastated infrastructure and the millions exiled is a different question. But gambling on the outcome by expending the lives of hundreds of thousands of people you did not ask is not a moral position.

sorry last was from me addressed to stephen

"how we design a system that helps prevent dictators like Saddam ever coming to power"

I'm not sure that this is a wise objective. What constitutes an undesirable leader is often simply a matter of opinion, and that opinion can be warped by self-interest - I'm sure that the CIA and I would not wholly agree on which leaders should never have been permitted to achieve power.

I once saw democracy defined as the power to remove an unpopular government by some means short of assassination. I think that is a safer idea - but by that definition, are we a democracy? It seems (at least in England) that all votes lead to the same governance.

Blackburn has gained quite considerably compared to its surrounding neighbours in terms of investment, transport etc and in some part this has had to do with having a senior cabinet member as it's mp. (Barbara Castle previously). The council will do whatever is required to retain Straw in the election and if that means bending the rules abit then this will be a fair game to them. As Craig found out previously, it won't be a level playing field in Blackburn. Don't hold your breath waiting for a change.

Craig,

thanks for the clarification. Stephen's changes in opinion have been rather confusing, but that last one was utterly bewildering, until I saw that it was really you!

Stephen

Saddam was an ally of the US, but not a slave. He aspired to teach the world respect for the owners of Middle Eastern oil. The British had previously used dirty tricks to stitch up oil states with slave dictators like the Saudi regime. He did not calculate that some people in his own country would prefer to be wealthy slaves of the next superpower, the US, than be members of a respected independent nation.

The blood of the Iraqis is just as much on the shoulders of those Iraqi pimps who are now in power in Iraq, as it is on the US and UK. Craig's uncertainty of the balance between non-intervention and intervention was answered by Suhayl's recent comment that slave dictator is the government of choice of the superpowers when it comes to colonial asset-stripping of wealthy nations. Saddam was behaving much too like an equal.

The Middle East has now become a centre for political analysis and scientific development. Solar energy and heat-resistant architecture is pushing forward while the West is suffocated with the sentimental reassurance of out of date two-party politics and out of date architectural design. The US and UK were prepared to push Iraq back into the dark ages because 1/ It had the potential for being the centre of excellence for political defiance of the superpowers' world domination and 2/ the centre of excellence for engineering and design, which, in association with oil thirsty India and China, threatened the West's domination of world trade.

Tony Blair envisaged a reconstruction of Iraq using Western technology. Instead of this, there has been a global recession that has brought Western technology to its knees. Instead of always wanting to hang Blair, who was only partly to blame for the Iraq invasion plan, Stephen asked the good question: How do we design a system that stops dictators coming to power? I agree with Vronsky's reply that it is not always the dictator who is malign.

When will people ask the next question?: Is it better to TRADE peacefully with your younger and more vigorous rivals, or attack them and risk losing your status as the dominant male? I guess those who have apes as their ancestors will always see the world in these macho terms, while those of us whose ancestors were Adam and Eve, can think of more humanitarian ways.

Going back to the original thread about Blackburn. Pakistani politicos want raw power, and they are not even remotely interested in moral issues. Of course they will not vote for Bushra. They want to change this country to a feudal province of Karsai's Afghanistan. The Pakistani Muslims on the other hand may get interested in the Muslim alternative, but in my opinion, because of Islamic rules of not appointing women as your leader, she doesn't stand the slightest chance of winning. In fact maybe she was put up to it by Straw.

Stephen,

I'm considering the possibility that you have a good conscience, but have not yet noticed the distortions present in the mainstream description of the world. You attracted a lot of criticism here; you defended Larry, who has long shown that he has no conscience. Technicolour pointed out a few of your errors, like assuming that the fall of Karimov would create a political vacuum. By seeming to support such regimes you have incurred Arsalan's wrath.

We really have a problem with the media, which shows a consistent bias, and the warped consensus thereby produced. Western violence such as torture or the invasion of Iraq are regarded as "mistakes". Non-Western violence is characterised as "terrorism" and regarded as pure evil, and anyone pointing out a motivation for it is condemned as an apologist.

"Democracies" may have better internal records regarding human rights, but look at their foreign policies. The UK, US and Israel are amongst the worst offenders. Can you really blame certain Muslims for saying that submission to God's will would be preferable? If such critics are to be won over, "democracies" must behave ethically towards other countries.

Hey Anno,

apes ain't so bad, you know? I'd rather meet a chimp than most politicians!

' "democracies" must behave ethically towards other countries'

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Anno,

please elaborate...

Clark - I met an ape, once, it nicked my glasses. Took about half an hour to persuade it to come close enough to its "owner" for him to grab them back. Undamaged, fortunately for me. Curiosity can be so annoying ...

Anno - I really don't believe in absolutely-different races. if we chase it back far enough, whoever our ancestors were I'm convinced we all had the same ones - I doubt you meant it so literally, but I'm queasy with it even as rhetoric. I've heard people being referred to as "monkeys", and I don't like it. Oh, and thanks for the linebreaks in the "hahaha".

Clark - "Democracies" may have better internal records regarding human rights, but look at their foreign policies.

I wonder if talking about 'democracy' as some kind of a 'thing' risks turning it all into a game with the meaning of words. And, as Craig points out, the inconsistencies are a problem. It seems rather more partial; that, so far as we have a definition of what is "is", sometimes the country meets it and behaves like that, and other times it doesn't. So, so far as it is a 'guiding principle', it's not the only one.

And, "government" isn't entirely separate in its behaviour towards other countries and the people inside the country, as when it adopts foreign policies that The People have done their best to say "Oi ! NO !" to.

It shouldn't be treated as an 'absolute', maybe ? I mean, in so far as we use it to describe the way we do things in the UK, it's a result of a whole series of particular, sometimes fairly messy, agreements, compromises (or lack of them), and so on; particular decisions taken for particular reasons in specific circumstances, not the "We know the correct set of rules - conform to this that and the other set of descriptions" that it sometimes seems to be presented as (pretty much all metrics can be gamed ?). It's a process, rather than a thing, perhaps. And, a partial and unfinished one. We no longer have monarghs with a divine right to rule us (I just spotted the typo there. It stands, I _like_ it), but we still have rulers making unaccountable decisions with less claim; the argument isn't over yet ... did you see Michael Meacher in the Guardian today ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/03/chilcot-inquiry-iraq-power

Perhaps what I'm trying to say is, it's a means, not an end, and it doesn't justify "the end justifies the means" - type absolutism. But then I would, I don't like that anyway.

- "So who should challenge fascist dictators who gas their fellow Muslims"?
- The people living under that dictatorship, Stephen, I suggest.
-And what if they need some help??? Would you have applied the same argument for not fighting the Germans in WW2. What do you think Orwell would have made of that argument when it came to fighting the fascists in Spain?

I don't see how "Orwell" makes your case. He did, after all, go off his own bat to help the people of Spain in their fight, he didn't send in the British Army.

As to WW2 - how, indeed, should the world respond to an unaccountable leader who whips up propaganda and lies in order to justify invading other peoples' countries ? Even if he did think he knew how they should run their affairs better than they did themselves. Or, more to the point now, wouldn't we be better off learning what it established ? vast swathes of the world had to be reduced to rubble, before some culprits were hanged in order to establish "Never again" once and for all ... I wish. It would be nice if we could find a neater solution. But, of course, that's self-interest speaking, too.

"Dental hygenist I bet you do - you can almost hear the grinding of teeth!"

*grin*

More on the Labour-run Glasgow City Council corruption -

Purcell and the drug barons: what the Labour press chief knew
Go Lassie Go blog
04 Apr 2010
http://joanmcalpine.typepad.com/joan_mcalpine/2010/04/purcell-and-the-drug-barons-what-the-labour-press-officer-knew.html

all the best CM!

ps
One of my comments seems to have went astray, so apologies if my only comment above seems a bit out of place

Craig

I agree the problem is one of consistency. I do believe that sometimes that is is necessary to resort to force in order to remove dictators (e.g Hitler/Hussein) or to try and prevent them coming to power (e.g Franco in Spain - hence the reference to Orwell who clearly agreed with my view on both counts and was very critical of the neutral stance of the British Govt at the time).

Yes of course wars have costs - and we could probably argue until the cows come home about whether these were justified in the case of Iraq/other disputes. There is however some dividing line which has general acceptance - since I suspect that most people would not argue that the costs of removing Hitler were not worth it (and many of the victims were not asked their view in that case either)

What I find very sad is that I see little debate about how you develop effective international bodies that can deal with the dictators without resorting to war. It is perhaps the absence of such effective bodies that stops dicators such as Karimov being properly dealt with. After WW2 the UN was set up to try and deal with such situations (and by any reasonable standards Saddam certainly had a case to answer before the war) - perhaps the real lesson from Iraq is that there needs to hard thinking about how the UN can be made into an effective body.

Perhaps, Stephen-from-Brobdingnag, the very first task of the new, "effective" UN would be to move out of NYC. The second would be to send weapons inspectors into the USA and UK, to see whether they were developing biological, chemical and nuclear weapons of mass destruction. The third would be to levitate the Pentagon. Perhaps, eventually, the UN could invade Pennsylvania and Dorset.

Yours sincerely, Dr Gulliver, from Lilliput.

Of course, it would be necessary to invite the Martians to enforce it ...

No, no, the Venusians. They're hotter.

Well put, Suhayl.

Stephen

You didn't read anything I wrote about Saddam, or you wouldn't still be asking how to stop dictators getting to power.

The West doesn't like strong nations. It likes to break them up, so it pays people to ferment trouble. Then they use that trouble as an excuse to carve up the strong nation into a feuding, divided democracy.
Dictator - Goooood
Democracy - Baaaad

Why? because we live in a world of spin.

Original spin, makes the world go round.

Venusians, okay. It'd upset Thatcher, too, she tried to get rid of wets.

Given Brobdingnag was run as democracy and enjoyed public beheadings perhaps other commenters may be worthy of such an accolade. In fact some of them might be quite proud of it.

Re: Jack Straw.
At the two previous elections, letters containing postal flyers and a £5 note (taxi fare to the voting station) were received within the Borough. No sign this time but postal Ballot papers still not received, no excuse given, just some time over the weekend. Is there some sort of legal timetable, to the distribution of these papers??