Matthew Gould and the Plot to Attack Iran

by craig on November 14, 2011 12:03 pm in Uncategorized

This is Matthew Gould, second from right, British Ambassador to Israel, who was pictured speaking at a meeting of the Leeds Zionist Federation that was also the opening of the Leeds Hasbarah Centre. The Leeds Zionist Federation is part of the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland, motto “Speaking Up for Israel.” A collection was made at the meeting to send packages to members of the Israeli Defence Force.

On 29 May 2011 The Jerusalem Post reported: “British Ambassador Matthew Gould declared his commitment to Israel and the principles of Zionism on Thursday”.

Remember this background, it is unusual behaviour for a diplomat, and it is important.

The six meetings between British Ambassador to Israel Matthew Gould and Minister of Defence Liam Fox and Adam Werritty together – only two of which were revealed by Cabinet Secretary Gus O’Donnell in his “investigation” into Werritty’s unauthorised role in the Ministry of Defence – raise vital concerns about a secret agenda for war at the core of government, comparable to Blair’s determination to drive through a war on Iraq..

This is a detective story. It begins a few weeks ago, when the Fox-Werritty scandal was first breaking in the media. I had a contact from an old friend from my Foreign Office days. This friend had access to the Gus O’Donnell investigation. He had given a message for me to a trusted third party.

Whistleblowing in the surveillance state is a difficult activity. I left through a neighbour’s garden, not carrying a mobile phone, puffed and panted by bicycle to an unmonitored but busy stretch of road, hitched a lift much of the way, then ordered a minicab on a payphone from a country pub to my final destination, a farm far from CCTV. There the intermediary gave me the message: what really was worrying senior civil servants in the Cabinet Office was that the Fox-Werritty link related to plans involving Mossad and the British Ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould.

Since I became a notorious whistleblower, several of my ex-friends and contacts have used me to get out information they wanted to leak, via my blog. A good recent example was a senior friend at the UN who tipped me off in advance on the deal by which the US agreed to the Saudi attack on pro-democracy demonstrators in Bahrain, in return for Arab League support for the NATO attack on Libya. But this was rather different, not least in the apparent implication that our Ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould, was engaged in something with Werritty which went beyond official FCO policy.

I was particularly concerned by this because I knew slightly and liked Matthew Gould, from the time he wrote speeches for Robin Cook. I hoped there was nothing much in it. But then Gould’s name started to come up as professional journalists dug into the story, and reported Werritty’s funding by pro-Israeli lobby groups.

I decided that the best approach was for me to write to Matthew Gould. I did so, asking him when he had first met Werritty, how many times he had met him, and how many communications of every kind there had been between them. I received the reply that these questions would be answered in Gus O’Donnell’s report.

But Gus O’Donnell’s report in fact answered none of these questions. It only mentioned two meetings at which Fox, Gould and Werritty were all three present. It did not mention Gould-Werritty bilateral meetings and contacts at all. To an ex-Ambassador like me, there was also something very fishy about the two trilateral meetings O’Donnell did mention and his characterisation of them.

This led me to dig further, and I was shocked to find that O’Donnell was, at the most charitable interpretation, economical with the truth. In fact there were at least six Fox-Werritty-Gould meetings, not the two given by O’Donnell. Why did GOD lie? I now had no doubt that my informant had pointed me towards something very real and very important indeed.

Matthew Gould was the only British Ambassador who Fox and Werrity met together. They met him six times. Why?

The first meeting to which O’Donnell admits, took place in September 2010. O’Donnell says this was

“a general discussion of international defence and security matters to enable Mr Gould better to understand MOD’s perspective.”

O’Donnell says Werritty should not have been present. An FCO spokesman told me on 21 October that

“Mr Gould’s meeting with the Defence Secretary was arranged by his office as part of his pre-posting briefing calls.”

All Ambassadors make pre-posting briefing calls around Whitehall before taking up their job, as you would expect. But even for our most senior Ambassadors, outside the Foreign Office those calls are not at Secretary of State level. Senior officials are quite capable of explaining policy to outgoing Ambassadors; Secretaries of State have many other things to do.

For this meeting to happen at all was not routine, and Werritty’s presence made it still more strange. Why was this meeting happening? I dug further, and learnt from a senior MOD source that there were two more very strange things about this meeting, neither noted by O’Donnell. There was no private secretary or MOD official present to take note of action points, and the meeting took place not in Fox’s office, but in the MOD dining room.

O’Donnell may have been able to fox the media, but to a former Ambassador this whole meeting stunk. I bombarded the FCO with more questions, and discovered an amazing fact left out by O’Donnell. The FCO spokesman replied to me on 21 October 2011 that:

“Mr Werritty was also present at an earlier meeting Mr Gould had with Dr Fox in the latter’s capacity as shadow Defence Secretary.”

So Gould, Fox and Werritty had got together before Gould was Ambassador, while Fox was still in opposition and while Werritty was – what, exactly? This opened far more questions than it answered. I put them to the FCO. When, where and why had this meeting happened? We only knew it was before May 2010, when Fox took office. What was discussed? There are very strict protocols for senior officials briefing opposition front bench spokesman. Had they been followed?

The FCO refused point blank to answer any further questions. I turned to an independent-minded MP, Jeremy Corbyn, who put down a parliamentary question to William Hague. The reply quite deliberately ignored almost all of Corbyn’s question, but it did throw up an extraordinary bit of information – yet another meeting between Fox, Werritty and Gould, which had not been previously admitted.

Hague replied to Corbyn that:

“Our ambassador to Israel was also invited by the former Defence Secretary to a private social engagement in summer 2010 at which Adam Werritty was present.”

Getting to the truth was like drawing teeth, but the picture was building. O’Donnell had completely mischaracterised the “Briefing meeting” between Fox, Werritty and O’Donnell by hiding the fact that the three had met up at least twice before – once for a meeting when Fox was in opposition, and once for “a social engagement.” The FCO did not answer Corbyn’s question as to who else was present at this “social engagement”.

This was also key because Gould’s other meetings with Fox and Werritty were being characterised – albeit falsely – as simply routine, something Gould had to do in the course of his ambassadorial duties. But this attendance at “a private social engagement” was a voluntary act by Gould, indubitable proof that, at the least, the three were happy in each other’s company, but given that all three were very active in zionist causes, it was a definite indication of something more than that.

That furtive meeting between Fox, Werritty and Gould in the MOD dining room, deliberately held away from Fox’s office where it should have taken place, and away from the MOD officials who should have been there, now looks less like briefing and more like plotting.

My existing doubts about the second and only other meeting to which O’Donnell does admit make plain why that question is very important.

O’Donnell had said that Gould, Fox and Werritty had met on 6 February 2011:

“in Tel Aviv. This was a general discussion of international affairs over a private dinner with senior Israelis. The UK Ambassador was present.”

There was something very wrong here. Any ex-Ambassador knows that any dinner with senior figures from your host country, at which the British Ambassador to that country and a British Secretary of State are both present, and at which international affairs are discussed, can never be “private”. You are always representing the UK government in that circumstance. The only explanation I could think of for O’Donnell’s astonishing description of this as a “private” dinner was that the discussion was far from being official UK policy.

I therefore asked the FCO who was at this dinner, what was discussed, and who was paying for it? I viewed the last as my trump card – if either Gould or Fox was receiving hospitality, they are obliged to declare it. To my astonishment the FCO refused to say who was present or who paid. Corbyn’s parliamentary question also covered the issue of who was at this dinner, to which he received no reply.

Plainly something was very wrong. I therefore again asked how often Gould had met or communicated with Werritty without Fox being present. Again the FCO refused to reply. But one piece of information that had been found by other journalists was that, prior to the Tel Aviv dinner, Fox, Gould and Werritty had together attended the Herzilya conference in Israel. The programme of this is freely available. It is an unabashedly staunch zionist annual conference on “Israel’s security”, which makes no pretence at a balanced approach to Palestinian questions and attracts a strong US neo-conservative following. Fox, Gould and Werritty sat together at this event.

Yet again, the liar O’Donnell does not mention it.

I then learnt of yet another, a sixth meeting between Fox, Gould and Werritty. This time my infomrant was another old friend, a jewish diplomat for another country, based at an Embassy in London. They had met Gould, Fox and Werritty together at the “We believe in Israel” conference in London in May 2011. Here is a photo of Gould and Fox together at that conference.

I had no doubt about the direction this information was leading, but I now needed to go back to my original source. Sometimes the best way to hide something is to put it right under the noses of those looking for it, and on Wednesday I picked up the information in a tent at the Occupy London camp outside St Paul’s cathedral.

This is the story I was given.

Matthew Gould was Deputy Head of Mission at the British Embassy in Iran, a country which Werritty frequently visited, and where Werritty claimed to have British government support for plots against Ahmadinejad. Gould worked at the British Embassy in Washington; the Fox-Werritty Atlantic Bridge fake charity was active in building links between British and American neo-conservatives and particularly ultra-zionists. Gould’s responsibilities at the Embassy included co-ordination on US policy towards Iran. The first meeting of all three, which the FCO refuses to date, probably stems from this period.

According to my source, there is a long history of contact between Gould and Werritty. The FCO refuse to give any information on Gould-Werritty meetings or communications except those meetings where Fox was present – and those have only been admitted gradually, one by one. We may not have them all even yet.

My source says that co-ordinating with Israel and the US on diplomatic preparation for an attack on Iran was the subject of all these meetings. That absolutely fits with the jobs Gould held at the relevant times. The FCO refuses to say what was discussed. My source says that, most crucially, Iran was discussed at the Tel Aviv dinner, and the others present represented Mossad. The FCO again refuses to say who was present or what was discussed.

On Wednesday 2 November it was revealed in the press that under Fox the MOD had prepared secret and detailed contingency plans for British participation in an attack on Iran.

There are very important questions here. Was Gould really discussing neo-con plans for attacking Iran with Werritty and eventually with Fox before the Conservatives were even in government? Why did O’Donnell’s report so carefully mislead on the Fox-Gould-Werritty axis? How far was the FCO aware of MOD preparations for attacking Iran? Is there a neo-con cell of senior ministers and officials, co-ordinating with Israel and the United States, and keeping their designs hidden from the Conservative’s coalition partners?

The government could clear up these matters if it answered some of the questions it refuses to answer, even when asked formally by a member of parliament. The media have largely moved on from the Fox-Werritty affair, but have barely skimmed the surface of the key questions it raises. They relate to secrecy, democratic accountabilty and preparations to launch a war, preparations which bypass the safeguards of good government. The refusal to give straight answers to simple questions by a member of perliament strikes at the very root of our democracy.

Is this not precisely the situation we were in with Blair and Iraq? Have no lessons been learnt?

There is a further question which arises. Ever since the creation of the state of Israel, the UK had a policy of not appointing a jewish Briton as Ambassador, for fear of conflict of interest. As a similar policy of not appointing a catholic Ambassador to the Vatican. New Labour overturned both longstanding policies as discriminatory. Matthew Gould is therefore the first jewish British Ambassador to Israel.

Matthew Gould does not see his race or religion as irrelevant. He has chosen to give numerous interviews to both British and Israeli media on the subject of being a jewish ambassador, and has been at pains to be photographed by the Israeli media participating in jewish religious festivals. Israeli newspaper Haaretz described him as “Not just an ambassador who is jewish, but a jewish ambassador”. That rather peculiar phrase appears directly to indicate that the potential conflict of interest for a British ambassador in Israel has indeed arisen.

It is thus most unfortunate that it is Gould who is the only British Ambassador to have met Fox and Werritty together, who met them six times, and who now stands suspected of long term participation with them in a scheme to forward war with Iran, in cooperation with Israel. This makes it even more imperative that the FCO answers now the numerous outstanding questions about the Gould/Werritty relationship and the purpose of all those meetings with Fox.

There is no doubt that the O’Donnell report’s deceitful non-reporting of so many Fox-Gould-Werritty meetings, the FCO’s blunt refusal to list Gould-Werritty, meetings and contacts without Fox, and the refusal to say who else was present at any of these occasions, amounts to irrefutable evidence that something very important is being hidden right at the heart of government. I have no doubt that my informant is telling the truth, and the secret is the plan to attack Iran. It fits all the above facts. What else does?

Please feel free to re-use and republish this article anywhere, commercially or otherwise. It has been blocked by the mainstream media. I write regularly for the mainstream media and this is the first article of mine I have ever been unable to publish. People have risked a huge amount by leaking me information in an effort to stop the government machinery from ramping up a war with Iran. There are many good people in government who do not want to see another Iraq. Please do all you can to publish and redistribute this information.

UPDATE A commenter has already pointed me to this bit of invaluable evidence:

“My government absolutely agrees with your conception of the Iranian threat and the importance of your determination to battle it.” Dealing with the Iranian threat will be a large part of my work here.” Gould said.

From Israel National News. It also says that he will be trying to promote a positive atmosphere between Israel and the Palestinian National Authority, but the shallowest or the deepest search shows the same picture; an entirely biased indeed fanatical zionist who must give no confidence at all to the Palestinian Authority. He must be recalled.

440 Comments

  1. Quelcrime

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:05 pm

    Thanks for this, Craig.
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    There are many good people in government who do not want to see another Iraq.
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    Well they ought to have resigned then, because they’ve just made themselves another Iraq. It’s called Libya. If anything it’ll be worse than Iraq.

  2. angrysoba

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:11 pm

    On 29 May 2011 The Jerusalem Post reported: “British Ambassador Matthew Gould declared his commitment to Israel and the principles of Zionism on Thursday”.

    Remember this background, it is unusual behaviour for a diplomat, and it is important.


    .
    And Craig Murray said, “Zionism is bullshit!” which is also unusual behaviour for a diplomat, so presumably it takes all kinds.

  3. Rob

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:14 pm

    This kind of intel is the sort of thing that makes people feel “suicidal”. Watch your back Craig–you know what I am talking about. Best of luck.

  4. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:15 pm

    Angrysobs

    I said that some years after I ceased to be a diplomat.

  5. Quelcrime

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:18 pm

  6. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:19 pm

    Supporting detail:
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/195253#.TsEHR2-GVvA
    ” Dealing with the Iranian threat will be a large part of my work here.” Gould said.

  7. J

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:25 pm

    Keep up the good work Craig! And always remove the battery in your mobile phone when not in use!

  8. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:32 pm

    I can’t work out whether the press has got no backbone, no balls or no foreskin.

  9. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:36 pm

    Excellent Craig. You have the fullest support from all of us here – well nearly all of us. I am pleased that your recent visit to St Paul’s was productive.

  10. kickstar

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:37 pm

    I would have thought that a British Ambassador to a foreign country would first and foremost have Britain’s interests paramount, and I would not have expected him/her to go around expressing unequivocal support for the regime in his/her now resident country. Seems very strange and aloof behavior to say the least. And I certainly would expect this ambassador to be recalled forthwith.

  11. Jonangus Mackay

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:38 pm

    ‘You cannot do this job without being a passionate Zionist.’ — Britain’s new ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould, tells the Manchester-based Jewish Telegraph.
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    As a friend of mine remarked when I pointed this out immediately following Fox’s resignation: What if Her Majesty’s Government had appointed a white supremacist as its ambassador to S. Africa? Or a Communist as its ambassador to Moscow?
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    http://tinyurl.com/64btlae
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    Gould, along with fellow Zionist & Lord Mayor of London Mike Bear, key figure in bankster campaign to remove the London Occupy camp from St Paul’s Cathedral, opening in June 2011, the Tel Aviv stock exchange:
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    http://tinyurl.com/6eedktv
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  12. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:39 pm

    Excellent piece Craig. And so important if we are to oppose the threat of perpetual war at the behest of Zionist-Neocon pressure groups. Excellent piece of journalism. Hague should resign.

  13. Antelope Grazer

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:39 pm

    Not sure I follow the bit about six meetings. I must have lost count somewhere around four. Could you list them, for clarity?

    If the GOD report was only talking about meetings when Fox was a minister (is that correct?), how many of the six were during that period?

  14. mike

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:43 pm

    Excellent and important piece, Craig.

    Going back to Blair and Iraq, can we ask, in light of the Fox scandal: Has the British state been infiltrated by an operationally effective neocon/zionist presence?

    Sound like an episode of ‘Spooks’!

    In any even, these fuckers want war. They have to be stopped.

  15. Janus

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:46 pm

    kickstar: “And I certainly would expect this ambassador to be recalled forthwith.”

    Hear, hear.

  16. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:52 pm

    Antelope Grazer

    Fox Gould Werritty tripartite meetings

    One while Fox was Shadow Defence Secretary, ie before May 2010 – source FCO spokesman 21 October

    Two a social engagement in Summer 2010 – source reply to Corbyn’s parliamentary question 31 October

    Three a “brieifng” meeting in the MOD September 2010 – source O’Donnell report

    Four Herzilya conference fed 2011 – source numerous press reports

    Five “Private Dinner” Tel Aviv Feb 6 2011 source O’Donnell report

    Six “We believe in Israel Conference” London May 2011 source foreign diplomat in London

  17. Stephen

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:56 pm

    “There are very important questions here. Was Gould really discussing neo-con plans for attacking Iran with Werritty and eventually with Fox before the Conservatives were even in government? Why did O’Donnell’s report so carefully mislead on the Fox-Gould-Werritty axis? How far was the FCO aware of MOD preparations for attacking Iran? Is there a neo-con cell of senior ministers and officials, co-ordinating with Israel and the United States, and keeping their designs hidden from the Conservative’s coalition partners?”

    I agree and they should continue to be asked. I don’t think you have proved that this amounts to a plan to attack Iran (although I daresay others here will see it as such) – the discussions may have, for example, been about sanctions or other methods which stop short of an attack, or they may have been meetings to get a better understanding of the Israeli position (which isn’t as striaghtforward as some may assume).

    They do demonstrate that Gould has a case to answer as to whether he has stepped over the line in being over partisan to Israel – but again without knowing what he said in the various meetings or what was actaully being discussed – we do not know that he has. And I for one believe that their should be due process before getting rid of disciplining public servants.

    As to why the story wasn’t accepted – may I suggest that moving from a “charitable explanation” to accusing O’Donnell of being “deceitful” may have had something to do with it as well as the other explanations provided.

    I know you may not like my analysis Craig – but it is honestly felt on my part.

  18. mike

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:56 pm

    One point I will make, Craig, is that the piece doesn’t read like a “hard” newspaper article. There are also a lot of unnamed sources, which is quite understandable, but might have put a lot of news editors off; the former can easily be addressed if you sit down with a hack and go over the text.

    The info is all there — and it’s pretty devastating.

  19. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:57 pm

    Nearly 8000 results already for ‘craig murray matthew gould the plot to attack iran’ in under an hour since posting.
    12.56 GMT

  20. Martin

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:58 pm

    So!! Good tradecraft there Craig. Did you once work for SIS? Nice story.

  21. Peter Bryce

    14 Nov, 2011 - 12:58 pm

    All readers should download this article: one never knows when when Craig’s website might suffer “problems”………….

  22. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:01 pm

    Absolutely agree with kickstar and Mike, an excellent work ‘Sherlock’, I hope that those journalistically minded amongst us have got it all already on their FB sites and that those you met for this info, are safe.

    Also do sent it to your MPs, show them we know what they don’t know, it riles them into action.

    I’m sure that EU embassies hearing of this will get a little frustrated with the current economic blame being put on their countries, they will be spitting dice to see that Bicom has more influence on our foreing policy resolve than the EU or NATO.

    Watch your steps Craig, you know what they are like, although MI6 who warned off Werrity should really focus on the issue rather than mauling the messenger, hope I’m right.

  23. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:03 pm

    Stephen, may I suggest you read Quelcrime’s and Komodo’s links to Hague and Gould and you will see that it is not just Craig’s postulations that show a definite trend to attack Iran. Add to this the fact that it has been on the US agenda for nine years to attack Iran. You should be trying to avert any such illegal actions, not trying to find excuses.

  24. Autonomous Mind

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:04 pm

    While there is a great deal of information here there are two things missing.

    i) substantive evidence
    ii) context

    I understand how hard it is to obtain evidence when focusing on issues where there is so much at stake and you are dealing with the intelligence services. So this is not such a big deal.

    However, the absence of context here is somewhat concerning.

    While it would be folly for me to assume I know what the political class’ real aims and objectives are in respect of Iran, I would hope that substantial planning and preparation has been, and remains, underway to deal with the Iran’s apparent determination to develop a nuclear weapons capability.

    Iran represents a genuine threat to stability in the middle east. The world must not permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons. that has shown consistent hostility to Israel and has already used Hezbollah as a proxy to bring about conflict

  25. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:06 pm

    Janus, Kickstar: Hear, hear, get Gould back where he will less of a danger to world peace.

  26. kickstar

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:07 pm

    COMMENT POSTED IN DAILY TELEGRAPH HOPE YOU DO NOT MIND.
    We now seem to have a British Ambassador in Israel volunteering our services to go to war with Iran whether we like it or not.
    Matthew Gould the first Jewish British Ambassador to Israel has wasted no time in declaring his unswerving support for Israel, Matthew Gould who is the only British Ambassador to have met former defence chief Liam Fox and friend Adam Werritty together, who met them six times, and who now stands suspected of long term participation with them in a scheme to forward war with Iran, in cooperation with Israel.
    I cannot understand why this mans appointment Not just as an ambassador who is jewish, but a jewish ambassador”. That rather peculiar phrase appears directly to indicate that the potential conflict of interest for a British ambassador in Israel has indeed arisen.
    I further cannot understand with all the information that has been outed about him, why this ambassador still holds that post ?

  27. Noel Doyle

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:08 pm

    Is Werrity MI6? Would explain his attendance at all these meetings, especially the Mossad chats.

  28. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:09 pm

    Autonomous Mind. The only country to have used nuclear weapons has been the US. I believe that if the USSR had not developed nuclear weapons the US would have continued using them. While I do not agree with any country developing such weapons Iran is much lower down on my list of fears than the US or Israel.

  29. Suhayl Saadi

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:10 pm

    Brilliant work, Craig. Good on you! I shall spread this widely, internationally.

  30. JohnC

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:11 pm

    Thanks Craig – nothing like a good dose of Rage Against the Machine on a Monday morning. Can’t say I’m at all surprised by this – rage and despair are all that’s left. Keep on digging and watch your back.

  31. Autonomous Mind

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:13 pm

    (Sorry, I accidentally posted while editing my previous comment. I’ll try again)

    While there is a great deal of information here there are two things missing.

    i) substantive evidence
    ii) context

    I understand how hard it is to obtain evidence when focusing on issues where there is so much at stake and you are dealing with the intelligence services. So this is not such a big deal.

    However, the absence of context here is somewhat concerning.

    While it would be folly for me to assume I know what the political class’ real aims and objectives are in respect of Iran, I would hope that substantial planning and preparation has been, and remains, underway to deal with the Iran’s apparent determination to develop a nuclear weapons capability.

    Iran represents a genuine threat to stability in the middle east. The world must not permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Iran is a country that has shown consistent hostility to Israel, is led by a fanatical and unpredictable regime, and has already used Hezbollah as a proxy to bring about conflict in southern Lebanon.

    While I do not want to see another war, I believe that a failure of diplomacy in preventing Iran developing nuclear weapons would make it a necessary evil. I also believe the responsible course of action is for the government to ensure it is ready to act if the situation demands it. Surely that is all that Craig is describing here.

  32. Bike codes

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:14 pm

    One has got to wonder – why have Private Eye or the Grauniad not picked this up yet? The others I can understand but I’m surprised by the silence from these two.

  33. North by Stringvest

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:16 pm

    Autonomous M:
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    Iran represents a genuine threat to stability in the middle east. The world must not permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Iran is a country that has shown consistent hostility to Israel, is led by a fanatical and unpredictable regime, and has already used Hezbollah as a proxy to bring about conflict in southern Lebanon.
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    Israel represents a genuine threat to stability in the middle east. The world must not permit Israel to develop nuclear weapons. Israel is a country that has shown consistent hostility to Iran, is led by a fanatical and unpredictable regime, and has already used the USA as a proxy to bring about conflict in Iraq and elsewhere.

  34. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:18 pm

    Private Eye only comes out fortnightly: Guardian has been (I personally believe) subverted by recent cash injection from Israel-linked private equity firm. I posted details on other threads.

  35. Johnstone

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:20 pm

    Around about when was Gould writing speeches for the unfortunate Robin Cook? With friends like MG who needs enemies. What a snake!

  36. Jiusito

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:24 pm

    It’s interesting to read your comments about the pro-Israeli bias in the MSM. A few months ago, I said hello to Jon Snow after his interview of Gideon Levy at the Frontline Club in London. Simply to remind him who I was, I said I had sent him, pre-publication in 2008, my 7,000-word interview for Third Way of Khalid Mish’al of Hamas: http://bit.ly/lqxb6O. I thought Jon might say, at best, “Yeah, I vaguely remember that; but I didn’t have time to read it.” Instead, he looked slightly embarrassed and said, “I’m sorry we didn’t do anything with it, but – believe it or not – my editor thinks the viewers are bored with stories about Israel/Palestine and will just switch over to another channel.” The director of research/former head of the Middle East programme at Chatham House had told me that the interview was “very interesting” and its timing “could not be better, given the Israeli-Hamas truce” – but still it was completely ignored by the MSM.

  37. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:24 pm

    craig

    11th November 2011
    Stephen,

    I used to think you were a friendly and interesting commentator putting forward a different view, but now I realise you are just a troll. Of course the article is properly sourced, and it follows proper journalistic ethics, ie those criticised have been asked for their viewpoint. As I plainly stated, several national newspapers have fact-checked it and the facts are fine.

    Do you see a single querying of fact in the above exchanges? If there is a fear of libel – and nobody has ever sued me for libel, unlike for example convicted libellers Iain Dale and Guido Fawkes – the newspaper calls you in to go through it with the lawyer. I have been there many times before.

    This is nothing to do with libel or with doubted facts. Now stop being an obvious arse.

  38. Wiz

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:26 pm

    The only concrete indication that an attack on Iran was on the agenda of any of these meetings, which clearly did take place, is obtained in a tent outside St Paul’s. Newspapers would want to know that person’s name and address, and would want a sworn statement. Being in with the neo-cons is a way of keeping in with the Americans, and Fox probably thought Werrity’s activities were keeping him in with them. Gould probably thought he had a better chance of being promoted if he kept in with Fox. But actually Werrity is a weirdo and it was all a souffle of piffle. It’s not conspiracy, it’s cock-up. Very interesting article, but it’s not taken me anywhere. And Werrity is still a mystery.

  39. Rob

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:29 pm

    Thank you for keeping these things uncovered and being honest.
    War is first and foremost about deception, and amidst all the information and disinformation, sometimes it is difficult to tell what is exactly going on.

    THIS :
    “And always remove the battery in your mobile phone when not in use!”

  40. Mattw

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:33 pm

  41. Stephen

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:36 pm

    “You should be trying to avert any such illegal actions, not trying to find excuses.”

    Perhaps one way of averting miltary action against Iran is not to be so blind to the deficiencies of the regime in that country and seek to use other mechanisms – sanctions etc. to deal with them. On the other hand – you could just take the view that Iran is doing nothing wrong at all and that all the evil is on the part of the US, Israel, UK, Freemasonry etc. – and the result will be that those who want war will have no effective alternative been proposed to gross violations of human rights will win the argument.

  42. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:38 pm

    Rather than accepting that Craig has written a superb article of investigative journalism this blog is becoming infested with apologists. Is this genuine personal commentary or a concerted effort to try to demolish the truth. I was expecting it. The truth hurts.

  43. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:43 pm

    “But actually Werrity is a weirdo and it was all a souffle of piffle.”

    So it would have been much easier for GOD to say so instead of restricting his “enquiry” to areas free of awkward questions, no?
    The police were going to interview Werritty re. possible fraud charges. Not a peep. Not a peep from or about Werritty…gone to ground, and the only person who now appears to have known him is Fox. The BICOM backers of the fraudulent charity set up by Fox and Werritty are running in all directions. If the government wants to end interest in this, all it has to do is be transparent (!), on your assessment. Meanwhile, people are going to pay close attention to the holes in a very incoherent narrative, and wonder what’s been cut out.

  44. Joe

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:47 pm

  45. South

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:50 pm

    North,
    I left a comment on your Oxus issues on another thread.

  46. Conjunction

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:52 pm

    Excellent article as usual, thanks.
    .

    I was particularly interested in the notion that political correctness made it OK to send a Jewish ambassador to Israel and a Catholic to the Vatican. Political correctness, of course, began to spread at exactly the same time as the massive upscaling of deregulation of the banks and development of globalisation. All of these things encourage uniformity.
    .

    There is probably something to be said for political correctness, but it assumes the correctness of a single viewpoint and seeks to force it on others if we are not careful.

  47. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:57 pm

    “And always remove the battery in your mobile phone when not in use!”
    .
    Am I correct in saying that it can not only be used to track you, but it can be used to listen to you?

  48. sassoon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:57 pm

    Someone here asks why The Guardian wasn’t on to the story a while back?

    After all, Jonathan Freedland of the Guardian was present at the “We Believe in Israel” conference in May 2011, at which Fox and Gould were present. Pity his ‘journalistic radar’ wasn’t switched on.

  49. MJ

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:58 pm

    “Werrity is a weirdo and it was all a souffle of piffle. It’s not conspiracy, it’s cock-up”
    .
    Do you have a source for this bombshell – you know, names addresses and sworn statements?

  50. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 1:59 pm

    And I mean listen to what you’re saying in the room (not only when you’re using the phone.)

  51. Pee

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:01 pm

    Brave man, Craig. Sadly none of the exposed facts about that trio surprise me. I hope you gain widespread coverage.

    …currently reading ‘Working in the silence’: Maurice Hopper. An account of human rights witness in the West Bank.(2003) One photo is of a banner hanging in the Ultra Orthodox Mea Shearim district of Jerusalem. It reads…
    “Jews are not Zionists. Zionists are not Jews only racists. Judaism & Zionism are diametrically opposed. We pray to G-D for an immediate end of Zionism and their occupation”

    Admittedly they are waiting for the Messiah, then it will be no holds barred!

  52. oldasiahand

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:02 pm

    Is there a neo-con cell of senior ministers and officials, co-ordinating with Israel and the United States, and keeping their designs hidden from the Conservative’s coalition partners?

    You bet there is. First up Gove. An openly and fully paid up neocon when he was writing for the neocon Murdoch Times faithfully parroting the Wolfowitz-Perle gaenda in the early days of the Bush Administration.

    Second Hague who is more discrete than Gove and Fox.

    They are all following the Thatcher, Major and Blair line that slavishly following the US assures a comfortable post UK politics retirement. Major didn’t have a pot to piss-in when he left office but eventually Bush41 got him a sinecure with Carlyle Group flogging arms to the Middle East.

    In addition, yesterday Sir David Richards mentioned on TV they had war plans for Syria and Iran, should they become necessary.

  53. Rhisiart Gwilym

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:04 pm

    Respect Craig. Pretty soon you’ll be getting the Prix Pilger for honest amateurs who show the spineless corporate media hacks how to do their job.

    Brilliant piece of work here. Exemplary of what real investigative journalism giving vital information to a — genuinely — free people should be.

    Many thanks! And yes, do watch out for the Kelly Supposed-Suicide Syndrome — what with your tendency to fall into depression fits and all…

    There are some very big global realpolitikal issues at stake here, and some of the world’s worst premier league hard-faced ruthless bastards in play. They think nothing of snuffing out inconvenient people, wholesale or retail.

  54. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:05 pm

    [Aside: "After a Iranian weapons depot mysteriously exploded on Saturday, a "Western intelligence source" told Time what many observers already believed to be true — that Israel was behind it. {http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/11/did-israel-blow-irans-missile-base/44931/}
    .
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099376,00.html ]

  55. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:05 pm

    Nuid, not just listen to you, phone conversations and general conversations, but if it has a camera what you are watching someone else can be watching, and even when you are not watching anything someone else can be.

  56. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:06 pm

    From the TWITter page of a Con MP’s assistant.
    .
    henryjamiesonHenry Jamieson
    Why can’t the press understand that no Con MP (esp Hammond) or Dr Fox will comment until after the CS’s report?It will be thorough and open.
    .
    http://twitter.com/#!/henryjamieson

  57. Scouse Billy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:07 pm

    Craig, I will post to Wayne Madsen and Webster Terpley – hope you don’t mind ;)

  58. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:09 pm

    Nuid, that link is frightening. It’s like a Muckden incident. No wonder they did not want to publish Craig’s article if this was on their agenda.

  59. Pee

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:10 pm

    Can I send a copy to my MP George Osborne?????

  60. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:11 pm

    Thanks John. Gave me the willies when I read something about that recently. Apparently turning it off is not enough. You must remove the battery. (I hope Craig is conscious of this.)

  61. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:15 pm

    Pee, it’s up to us to ensure Craig gets widespread coverage. Post it to everyone you know, every blog, every political commentary, everywhere.

  62. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:16 pm

    Nuid,

    I told people that in Murder in Samarkand! Please everyone do repost this article wherever you can. Anyone know how to get it on WhatReallyHappened.com?

    Craig

  63. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:18 pm

    I think I posted this comment elsewhere.

    Thanks for the courage.

    You might consider al-akhbar English, a widely read Lebanese daily which is pro-government (current government)

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/

  64. MJ

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:18 pm

    “do watch out for the Kelly Supposed-Suicide Syndrome — what with your tendency to fall into depression fits and all…”
    .
    Unfortunately, this is true. With this research Craig may have ceased to be a nuisance and become something more threatening. I suspect that the real problem here is that the evidence is starting to point inexorably towards Cameron, just like the Murdoch stuff. Cameron of course has a very colourful past when it comes to Israel, missing nuclear missiles and David Kelly.

  65. Rob

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:25 pm

    nuid :
    No, they cannot “listen” to anything if you’re not using the phone. It is possible to track phones for location, however, even when they are not being used as long as the battery is inside and it is emitting a signal.
    https://ssd.eff.org/wire/protect/cell-tracking
    As for those objecting to the “conspiratorial” nature of these accusations, the problem with conspiracies is that sometimes they are true. We shouldn’t let the tinfoil hat accusations get in the way of ascertaining what is probable and factual or not. If the past has taught us anything, especially in these matters, it is that the truth is sometimes very strange, and that government officials lie repeatedly.
    I’m willing to entertain some unsubstantiated claims if it is in the service of avoiding another stupid war which will benefit a minority of individuals. The benefits outweigh the costs.

  66. Clark

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:26 pm

    Nuid, yes, most mobiles can transmit whatever the mic is picking up, and can be activated remotely. The FBI (I think) have presented evidence obtained this way in court.
    .
    A mobile phone is a little computer with excellent characteristics for surveillance – microphone, camera, radio transceiver (for voice and data), memory, and an internal power source. It is voluntarily carried, charged and serviced by the target. Crucially, it’s programmable; whoever supplies its software controls its behaviour. Most modern phones update their software over the cell network, so the software can be modified remotely at any time.
    .
    The only handset system I believe to be under full control of the user is the OpenMoko running fully open-source Replicant software.

  67. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:26 pm

    We should make everything possible to get the word out and to stop them making any additional nuisance, be it attacking individuals or waging another war.

    No Pasaran!

  68. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:26 pm

    Cited here:
    http://www.21stcenturyfix.org/
    Thoughtful commentary:
    “Personally, right now, I don’t think I’m inclined to get involved in the argument over whether Iran should be attacked or not. I’m not sure it’s a good idea the Iranians in particular should have their own nuclear arsenal – on the other hand, I’m not inclined to believe that anyone’s nuclear arsenals make our planet a better place for coexistence. Where the grim realities remain, of course, we must do what we must do. So there I really cannot offer any easy advice.

    Even as I just can’t help remembering those WMDs which were never found in Iraq.

    Nor properly disregard how we were so damnably and completely manipulated on the subject of their alleged reach and destination.

    But where I am of a mind to pursue Craig’s line of reasoning is in this apparent conflict of interests quite at the very heart of British government. And the covert – that is to say, anti-democratic – way in which these interests appear to have been pursued.

    We come back again to the question of acting in the interests of another state before the tighter and more homegrown needs of the United Kingdom itself. And whilst I’m not legally qualified to know if any of this borders on a treasonable mindset, it certainly doesn’t seem to be a case of lily-white allegiances.”

  69. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:27 pm

    Sophia,

    I need individuals with ideas of places that might run this, to take the initiative themselves and forward it on. Anyone can publish it for free. We can only break through the mainstream media blackout by decentralised people’s power.

  70. Jonangus Mackay

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:28 pm

    The Magical Werritty Tour’s local coach driver details to fellow-Zionists his qualifications for the gig: Matthew Gould reminds them that he was in fact for a time Britain’s acting ambassador to Iran. Note the eager-teenager — less than diplomatic, in the popular sense of the word — tone in which he repeatedly uses the word ‘we’ to outline the route towards Tehran ‘interdict’:
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv1w1jKDy6Q

  71. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:29 pm

    I’ve submitted this to Indymedia UK (www.indymedia.org.uk), who have permitted articles from here before (they normally insist on original material, but I think they will let it stand). Will appear in a few minutes, usually it takes a little while to trickle through.
    .
    I’ll get in touch with the Morning Star just now.

  72. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:30 pm

    Excellent, the Indymedia publishing system is quick today:
    .
    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/11/488512.html

  73. Clark

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:32 pm

    Oh, and I assume that the new touch screens can detect and record fingerprints. With an iPhone (“SpyPhone”), you can’t even take the battery out!

  74. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:39 pm

    I’ve sent a note to the Morning Star, maybe they will be interested.
    .
    Has anyone sent a note to Private Eye already?

  75. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:40 pm

    Probably a waste of time given its recent shift to the right, but New Statesman might be worth a go.

  76. Peter Bryce

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:41 pm

    A few lines as people have been talking about the security of mobile phones.There is a difference between being tracked via your phone and being located.All mobile phones, by virtue of them being mobile, “talk” to the nearest phone mast every hour or so, as a method of checking signal strength, you can actually hear this if you keep your phone next to a radio-alarm clock or computer with external speaker wires (which act as an arial).All mobile phones, even old ones can be “pinged”: that is to say, a silent signal is sent to the phone to which the phone responds, and its location can be found within 100 metres or so of the nearest mobile phone mast. Only modern, gps/internet connected phoned can be tracked, that is to say their movement over time logged.Even taking the battery out of a phone is not foolproof: many phones have small secondary power sources inside them to maintain certain functions (internal clocks, some types of memory etc..). The idea that phones can be turned – by an outside signal – into microphones in order to listen into a room has been much talked of but I am not aware of a proved incident of this being done: phones that are given to hostage-takers are modifed specifically to do this. The only secure method of isolating a mobile phone is to put it into a Faraday Cage, which blocks all signals both coming and going. You can buy a signal-blocking pouch for mobiles for a few quid on Ebay. These are a wise investment if you are concerned about the security of your phone.The downside is that you cannot receive calls while the phone is in the pouch.Buying a second-hand old style phone and using it with an unregistered, pay as you go sim card is not a bad idea, remembering only to top up the card with cash (if you top up using an ATM, the phone number will be linked to you bank account details). Of course, once the number you are using is associated with you, all the old problems arise.There isnt any such thing as truly secure communications.

  77. Suhayl Saadi

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:42 pm

    Stephen, wrt MSM not taking the piece, yes, I thought that too wrt calling ‘GOD’ (!) a liar. However, that would simply be the subject on an agreed edit to a more acceptable form of words (eg. ‘This calls inot question ‘GOD’s statement that…’) b/w editor and writer, something newspapers do all day, every day. It would not normally be grounds to reject the whole piece.
    .
    Good piece, Craig. Well done, man! I will spread this piece widely – internationally.

  78. Ruth

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:42 pm

    ‘Is there a neo-con cell of senior ministers and officials, co-ordinating with Israel and the United States, and keeping their designs hidden from the Conservative’s coalition partners?’

    No. There’s a government within the government (some people call it a permanent government) that formulates important policy and the government as we know carries it out.

    So Werrity must be a senior intelligence officer accountable to the permanent government.

  79. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:43 pm

    Craig,

    I will be writing to E-Intifada and Angry Arab. The latter is frequent contributor to Al-Akhbar Arabic and English.

  80. Suhayl Saadi

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:46 pm

    Odd, a previous, shorter, post of mine – the second paragraph of the one just above’s Ruth’s – appeared earlier this afternoon on this thread, then disappeared! Technical stuff. And yes, we all shall spread it widely. The cat is out of the bag. Whether its roar is heard is another matter. Let’s give it some amplification, people!

  81. J Esteves

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:48 pm

    Following your suggestion, fully reposted at http://log.jmce.eu/craig-murray-matthew-gould-and-the-plot-to-at (tempted to make a Portuguese translation one of these days…).

  82. Clark

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:51 pm

    Rob and Peter Bryce, cellphone “roving bug”:
    .
    http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

  83. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:53 pm

    For what it’s worth, I’ve sent it on to Private Eye too.

  84. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:55 pm

    It is hard for me to find the thread links to my relevant posts, but I have consistently reported here from my own sources a British/American/Israeli plot to attack Iran as a consequence of Iran’s involvement in Syria.
    .
    Craig’s whistle-blowing today coincides with America’s insistence that 1000 FBI and secret service agents should be stationed in the UK as security for the Olympic Games early next year.
    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/nov/13/us-worried-london-olympics-security-2012
    .
    Already the Daily Mail has said:
    ‘The internal threat is growing more dangerous because some extremists are conducting non-lethal training without ever leaving the country. Should these extremists then decide to become suicide operatives, intelligence resources, eavesdropping and surveillance would be hard pressed to find them on any radar screen.’
    .
    According to the paper, MI5 says that the figure of 200 terrorists is a “conservative estimate”. In reality the threat is likely to be much greater.
    .
    My source is convinced that a false-flag attack is currently in the ‘exercise drill’ stage and a bunch of recent Iranian asylum seekers have been approached early this year by another group linked to British secret service called the Iranian Refugees Action Network.
    .
    I am convinced these Iranians will be ‘caught’ in a terrorist plot by the Olympic Games FBI/SS operatives shortly to be stationed in the UK and the main-stream media used to turn the British public against Iran in preparation for a vote in Parliament to assist in an American strike. I believe a high level meeting is planned on November 30th to green light this evil plan.

  85. pmr9

    14 Nov, 2011 - 2:57 pm

    One way to identify other members of the putative neocon cell is to look at who appointed (or influenced the appointment of) Gould from 2003 onwards to posts in Tehran, Washington and Tel Aviv where he was in a key position to monitor or influence policies on Iran.

  86. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:00 pm

    “Nuid,
    I told people that in Murder in Samarkand!”
    .
    Sorry Craig, I’ve read the book but I had forgotten that bit. :)
    .
    “Please everyone do repost this article wherever you can”
    .
    Done the blog, done Twitter, just about to do Facebook, and then do an email to all contacts.

    ———-

    Clark and everyone else, thanks for the info on the phones. Aren’t we the eejits going around carrying those things? I’m tempted to revert to my old Nokia
    (not that I’m Craig Murray! or likely to be tracked/followed/listened to or anything else. It’s just creepy.)

    ———-

    John, I found it hard to believe that was an ‘accidental explosion’ at an ammunition depot. After all, we don’t often hear of such indidents elsewhere (US or Israel or UK for example) and we have no reason to imagine that the Revolutionary Guards are any more butter-fingered than anyone else.

  87. passerby

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:00 pm

    Craig, you are the man. Fantastic detective work, dog on you and may your zeal for truth be infectious, so that the rest of the ball less wonders occupying the lofty editorial desks hang their useless heads in shame.
    ,
    Guy I am impressed, especially with the part of getting “Billy Fourteen Pints” AKA Honourable Hague to come out with the nonsense that he has.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    Mary,

    The article was rejected, because of not using the right font, and it was sent on a day that was not starting with S, and the inauspicious hour that it was sent had a lot to do with its rejection too!
    ,
    Damn good answer there.

  88. larry Levin

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:05 pm

    at the age of 24 when cameron was in the thatcher government he travelled to racist south africa where he helped Israel to obtain 9 nuclear warheads

    Anyone want to know what causes dyslexia?

  89. Carmen Havana Giraffe

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:07 pm

    Links added to various Wikipedia articles, but they’ll probably be taken down by psychos – worth keeping an eye.

    Adam Werritty
    Liam Fox
    Craig Murray
    Israel–United Kingdom relations

    I’m sure there are plenty more appropriate articles.

  90. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:07 pm

    To drop one warhead on its fuze at a military base may be regarded as a misfortune; to drop two looks like an act of external aggression….

  91. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:12 pm

    Nuid, I can’t understand why the explosion was not reported in the Sundays. I fluctuate between the Observer and Independent on Sunday and really used to like the Independent on Sunday, but there is so little world news these days, or even other notable news, I wonder if it’s worth getting a Sunday newspaper at all.

  92. Pony Chase John

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:13 pm

    Who are those hungry freaks in the picture? That’s what’s got me scared. Gould looks quite the cleancut kid compared to the others.

  93. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:18 pm

    Dear Craig,

    I wrote to Electronic Intifada and Alain Gresh (monde diplomatique), as well as jadaliyya, on Twitter. I also wrote to Angry Arab asking him to publish on his site and in Al-Akhbar where he publishes regularly.

    I will still think of other places. I think you have to reach out to Walt and Mearsheimer. Did you try LRB? I felt they were tending too much to zionist lobby by publishing the lame Stephen Smith (who is no doubt a US agent) twice on Ivory Coast.

  94. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:19 pm

    Nuid, according to the Guardian it was an accident.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/14/iran-explosion-missile-expert

  95. Carmen Havana Giraffe

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:25 pm

  96. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:26 pm

    But according to the Guardian, it wasn’t an accident…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/nov/14/iran-nuclear-weapons
    And the usual suspects are making the usual noises about more to come.
    Interestingly, the MEK has been named as participating in this alleged act of war. The MEK (strongly supported by Israel and the US in acts of terrorism against Iran) is virtually indistinguishable from the PKK (official terrorist organisation, strongly deprecated by US and shot at by Turkey)

  97. OldMark

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:36 pm

    Good sleuthing Craig. Not conclusive , of course, but the stonewalling both you & Jeremy Corbyn encountered is likely indicative of something rotten that can’t stand further scrutiny.

    ‘the discussions may have, for example, been about sanctions or other methods which stop short of an attack, or they may have been meetings to get a better understanding of the Israeli position (which isn’t as striaghtforward as some may assume).’

    On whose authority, Stephen, is Werritty acting an an interlocutor between the UK & Israeli governments ? And to which of these parties is he ultimately answerable ?

  98. passerby

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:45 pm

    Nuid,
    Evidently you are getting tired of my “know it all attitude”, However to consider sabotage in any military barracks, is the stuff of mad fantasies, which evidently does not concern you.
    ,
    Further, the same line of “aggressive actions” was taken up by the BBC Persian division, immediately after the explosion whilst the palls of smoke were hanging in place (not an outfit to miss an opportunity for propaganda).
    ,
    Moral of of the story; given the article that we are in the thread of. In the current climate of hysterical “all out propaganda” against Iran, an accident that is probable in any barracks in any part of the world. Due to the explosive nature of their stock in trade. Somehow blowing a simple accident out of proportion, and cause worries, as well as setting markers in place, in the minds of the public at large, does not cross your mind.
    ,
    Google and see the number of accidents in ammunition depots across the world, why do you think transportation of explosives anywhere in the world entails a huge deal of regs, and edicts?

  99. Jay

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:47 pm

    I have emailed WhatReallyHappened.com. The addy is wrh@whatreallyhappened.com

  100. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 3:57 pm

    I’ve emailed the link to Richard Stallman for his ‘Political Notes’ page, I should think it will get listed.

  101. Stephen

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:01 pm

    @OldMark

    “On whose authority, Stephen, is Werritty acting an an interlocutor between the UK & Israeli governments ? And to which of these parties is he ultimately answerable ?”

    I don’t know – but my guess is that it may have been Liam Fox – he was Fox’s main bag carrier when in opposition and I suspect Fox may have preferred the freedom of him not becoming a SPAD subject to civil service rules when he became Secretary of State. Why else was Fox trying to secure funding for him and it would have been easier for Fox to disclaim him and not resign (as clearly Cameron wanted) if he was someone else’s creature. I don’t think Fox ever made any secret of his support for Israel/Atlantic Bridge.

  102. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:18 pm

    written to EI as well, Sophia, given it to many friends FB, editors of EDP, my MP richrad Bacon, PM, Channel 4 news, sky news. Shall carry on doing it for some time got loads more to do.

  103. Clark

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:22 pm

    Nuid, we are increasingly surrounded by programmable devices. Their software is generally a “trade secret”, and thus under the control of the manufacturers rather than the users. Communications companies have already been caught supplying information from intercepted communications for use in abusive interrogation (torture) sessions (sorry, I can’t find the link).
    .
    These devices are the corpocracy’s robots, literally agents of the corporations that we admit into our personal lives. They (mostly) do as we ask, which is why we keep them and pay for them. Ultimately, however, the users are not their masters, and when a device is performing some mission for some company or a governmental or commercial client, the user is unlikely to be aware. This is why software freedom is such an important issue. I advocate joining the Free Software Foundation, and rejecting all non-free software.
    .
    http://www.fsf.org/about/

  104. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:28 pm

    I’ve posted it on the Julian Borger blog.

  105. David Halpin

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:28 pm

    Very good Craig and commentators. Solidarity in truth against the black tide.

    The partisanship, treachery and odour of HM Ambassador Gould can be diagnosed from this letter I sent to the FOREIGN Secretary 11 March. It has not received a response either from the FCO, with reminders, or through my MP, Mr Stride. This is the democracy they have on the stocks for the rabbles in Libya.

    .

    http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=110&Itemid=2

    {http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=211377}

    .

    In response to the inevitable question about the universal jurisdiction law which has prevented various Israeli dignitaries from visiting the UK for fear of arrest, Gould said: “We got ourselves into a bit of a mess because of a legal anomaly that needs to be fixed. A legal amendment to the law has been introduced, he said, and is working its way through the parliamentary process. “All three major political parties support the change.” Gould was confident that the amendment would pass into law “in months not years”.

    .

    But we see that Mr Gould is consistent in bending his knee before criminals.

    ”On the lighter side, Gould said that when he met Opposition Leader Tzipi Livni, he apologized to her for the fact that the British Mandate authorities had arrested her parents.”

    I recalled a connection between Ms Livni, her father and Irgun. This from the Jewish Virtual Library {http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/TLivni.html}

    .

    Her parents both belonged to right-wing Revisionist Zeev Jabotinsky’sBetar movement, which morphed into Herut and then today’s Likud party. They were also both fighters in its Irgun undergound militia. The “little Sarah,” who figured in the words of the rousing “On the Barricades,” was actually her mother, Sarah (Rosenberg) Livni, who once, disguised as a pregnant woman, helped rob a train carrying salaries for British Mandatory officials.

    .

    Did Mr Gould ask Ms Livni how many British soldiers did her parents help kill, including those who had fought to free Europe from the Nazis in those few years before? Or how many Palestinians did they drive from their homes, their land and their living by terror and force of arms? Does the ambassador know that the parents he was jokingly forgiving had been part of the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 of the native people, that being two-thirds of the Palestinian population? Does he appreciate that Ms Livni is an important cog in the genocide of the Palestinian people which has continued over the 62 years to this day? Did the Livni parents play any part in the massacre of Deir Yassin or in the many other massacres? Would or should a British representative even joke about forgiving such people?

    .

    Single ticket for Gould on El Al. Job as a nursing auxiliary at Queen Elizabeth Hospital amongst the withered poppies please.

  106. MJ

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:30 pm

    “at the age of 24 when cameron was in the thatcher government he travelled to racist south africa where he helped Israel to obtain 9 nuclear warheads”

    Larry Levin: this isn’t correct. Israel had already supplied S Africa with the missiles, but the S Africans wanted to get rid of them before the ANC took over. The US took 6 and Thatcher agreed to take the remaining three. Cameron (then a mere researcher) and David Kelly were involved in sorting out the details. To cut a long story short, Britain was double-crossed by a shady arms dealer who sold the missiles on the black market. N Korea detonated one of them a couple of years ago, the other two remain missing.

  107. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:44 pm

    The disturbing fact about these meetings between Fox, Gould, Werritty et al, is that normal protocol channels and procedures have been bypassed. Hague, in particular, is answerable to parliament.

  108. Jon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:55 pm

    It’s too early to cheer, but certainly a Britain without The Sun is a warming thought:
    .
    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/11/14/leveson-inquiry-could-this-be-the-end-for-the-sun/

  109. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 4:58 pm

    Any invitation to go on Newsnight Craig? I thought not.

    .
    PS Does Gould wear dark blue suits, blue shirts and white ties to match the colours of the Israeli flag?
    http://www.jewishsoftware.com/products/files/jcaFLAG.gif

  110. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:03 pm

    Matthew Gould, Britain’s new ambassador to Israel, sets out his goals for his new position in this video recorded shortly before his arrival in Israel on 12 September 2010.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbIT8mHS5ac

  111. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:09 pm

    Ingo,

    We will see how much anti-war is left in the Left…Juan Cole blocked me on Twitter for highlighting his contradictions and errors in his stance on the Iraq and Libya wars. I am pessimistic…The Left was sold the idea that current wars are made for humanitarian reasons. This is the biggest of lies but they accept it any way. Don’t know why…

  112. Arsalan

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:11 pm

    Zionists here always shout anti-Semitism when people accuse them of having dual loyalties.

    But the fact is they don’t have dual loyalties.
    People like the “British” ambassador to Israel, the Conservatives friends of Israel, Labour friends of Israel, the Liberal Democrat friends of Israel and the Zionist press only have one loyalty.
    And that unquestionable loyalty is to Israel.
    They do not have any loyalty to Britain what so ever. Never have, never will.

  113. TONY

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:21 pm

    A first-class piece of journalism to compensate for the journalism which is not being done by the gutless journos. Well done, Craig. It’s up.

  114. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:24 pm

    What’s happening on Google? Lunchtime today:
    .
    ‘Nearly 8000 results already for ‘craig murray matthew gould the plot to attack iran’ in under an hour since posting.
    12.56 GMT
    .

    and now they are saying.
    About 6,170 results. Impossible. Does Google’s counter run backwards?
    .

    Glad to see you back posting Clark.

  115. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:34 pm

    This impassioned performance will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck.
    .
    RAFEEF ZIADAH is a Canadian-Palestinian spoken word artist and activist. Her debut CD Hadeel is dedicated to Palestinian youth, who still fly kites in the face of F16 bombers, who still remember the names of their villages in Palestine and still hear the sound of Hadeel (cooing of doves) over Gaza.
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKucPh9xHtM&feature=player_embedded#!
    We Teach Life Sir!

  116. Stefan

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:36 pm

  117. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:44 pm

    Who’s been a busy boy then:) Just managed to introduce this thread on various threads in the coment is free section of the Guardian, see how long they saty in there.

  118. Franz

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:55 pm

    Mark Golding: of course I know nothing of your sources, but I have been musing on the possibility of a false flag terror attack during the Olympics for a while, and this story by the Grauniad adds fuel to my suspicions. What could be higher-profile? One thing’s for sure: I’m going to be steering clear of London for those two weeks.

  119. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:55 pm

    Mark posted earlier about an invasion of US goons at the Olympics. Fox asked Hammond today about missiles. Yoy could not make it up!
    .
    Ground-to-air missiles ‘may protect’ London 2012 games
    Eleven police forces and the military are involved in the security effort for London 2012
    .
    Related Stories
    UK happy on Olympic security plan
    Olympic planners ponder troop use
    IOC ‘confident’ over 2012 safety
    .
    Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has told MPs that ground-to-air missiles will be deployed to protect the 2012 Olympic Games in London if deemed operationally necessary.
    .
    He was asked to confirm this by the former defence secretary Liam Fox.
    .
    It was Mr Hammond’s first appearance at Defence Questions since taking over from Mr Fox.
    .
    The comments follow reports of concern in the United States about security plans for the Games.
    .
    The Guardian claimed the US was furious about security plans and wanted to send up to 1,000 of its own people, including 500 FBI agents but the Home Office says it has “full confidence” in the plans.
    .
    ‘All necessary measures’
    .
    Mr Hammond was asked by his predecessor to confirm whether there would be a “full range of multilayered defence and deterrents” in place for the 2012 Games including surface-to-air missiles.
    .
    /…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15724639

  120. mike bingham

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:55 pm

    i cannot understand why our senior civil servants, police officers and officers of the armed forces do nothing and say nothing about these things. they must know whats actually going on. and presuming they do, are they all traitors or just too stupid to act on the information available to them?

    seems we are at war with ourselves these days with fifth columns everywhere.

  121. OldMark

    14 Nov, 2011 - 5:58 pm

    ‘Did Mr Gould ask Ms Livni how many British soldiers did her parents help kill, including those who had fought to free Europe from the Nazis in those few years before?’

    The Irgun resumed bomb attacks against the forces of the British Mandate in February 1944, after suspending operations against them on the outbreak of war in September 1939. No British Ambassador to Israel should therefore proffer apologies, via one of their offspring, to deceased members of the Irgun for any indignities they may have suffered whilst prosecuting their murderous campaign before, during, and after WW2, against civilian and military personnel acting under the Palestine mandate.

  122. Daisy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:02 pm

    Hello
    Michael Rivero on What Really Happened is carrying the whole thing.
    Timed at 8.43 if you want to check it out.
    A very popular site, globally!.

  123. Vincent Nunes

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:16 pm

    Craig – excellent article.

    I think that it is beyond all supposition that there is an issue with even-handedness and honesty in regards to policies in the Middle East.

    Isn’t it time something is done, so that the world isn’t needlessly engulfed in World War 3?

    Contrary to some moronic thought, a war economy will not bring the world out of the economic depression currently being experienced; the frog is in the pot, and the bubbles are beginning to form.

  124. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:18 pm

    Craig, I would be interested to know whether your blog has had a higher than normal hit rate today.

  125. suraci

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:21 pm

    Thank you for your work Craig. You put to shame those lined up at the Cenotaph on Sunday, even as they scheme in the background to add to the dead.

    David Cameron in particular seemed to have to work extra hard to keep a straight face.

  126. Franz

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:24 pm

    Mike:

    “i cannot understand why our senior civil servants, police officers and officers of the armed forces do nothing and say nothing about these things. they must know whats actually going on. and presuming they do, are they all traitors or just too stupid to act on the information available to them?”

    It’s not as simple as that. They are up against forces far stronger than them. Look at a list of people who piped up against the power that be, and then proceeded to die “interestingly”.

    However, if they’re lucky, they just get sacked and replaced with someone more convenient.

    This is how the world works.

  127. BarryR38

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:24 pm

    John Goss 14th November 2011
    ‘I can’t work out whether the press has got no backbone, no balls or no foreskin.’

    This brought to mind an article I read yesterday in truthout:

    Former Guantanamo Chief Prosecutor: “A Pair of Testicles Fell Off the President After Election Day”

    http://www.truth-out.org/former-guantanamo-chief-prosecutor-pair-testicles-fell-president-after-election-day/1320935259

  128. chuck sanderson

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:43 pm

    Here is an interesting take on the recent IAEA report on alleged Iranian efforts regarding WMD. http://www.raceforiran.com/pulling-the-iaea-into-the-%E2%80%9Cattack-iran%E2%80%9D-debate-will-backfire

    Yes, this is feeling much like the lead up to the 2003 Iraq scam.

  129. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:48 pm

    Chuck Sanderson, I notice that Irshan has published a link to this current blog on your link. Great!

  130. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 6:50 pm

    Sorry, I should have written Irshad not Irshan

  131. CanSpeccy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:05 pm

    Don’t see it on WRH, Daisy. Can you provide a URL?
    .
    But you can see it here, nicely formatted!

  132. Johnstone

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:08 pm

    Seems possible to post this into Foxs, Werritys and Goulds Bios on Wiki but a bit worried about libel backlash on you Craig

  133. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:09 pm

    Johnstone

    I cam think of nothing I would love more than interrogating them under oath in a libel court. They may think I would be on trial, but it is not I who has stuff to hide…

  134. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:10 pm

    John Goss,

    12,884 have read it so far on this site, and it has been repeated on multiple sites.

  135. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:19 pm

    BarryR38, it seems the whole world’s dropping bollocks these days even Barack Obbollockama – but it’s true. He made so many promises when he came to power. I was really sucked in by his inaugural speech but find now he is no different from the others. Perhaps he did mean what he said to begin with. But the White House does not have its own prostitutes for nothing. It’s to compromise presidents, because all I can assume is if he did mean what he said originally, he must have been compromised to change his mind so dramatically. It’s how secret societies work too. Even the photographs of some of the initiations would be enough to put many marriages at risk.

  136. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:27 pm

    Brilliant Craig! I’m expecting that number to increase substantially when the other half of the world wakes up! Keep us posted please.

  137. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:31 pm

    All reference to this site on Guardian threads have been erased by the mods, they must be fearing the backlash already. we would not want to see Rushy filling his bridges now would we.
    Overall we have not done too bad for day one. Anybody has any idea on how this has worked out on FB?

  138. Vronsky

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:37 pm

    I’ve Facebooked. Google hits down to 484. Que pasa?

  139. Adrian Buckley

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:37 pm

    I shall be having supper with the Foreign Secretary in ten days time in Yorkshire. Would you like me to print off your report and question him on it?

  140. Abe Rene

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:38 pm

    Another Iraq, in the sense of joining in an American invasion of Iraq, ill-planned as it was, could indeed be a disaster, and joining it be against the UK’s national interest. But this sounds like an isolated operation, comparable to the strike against Iraq’s nuclear facility in the 80s. If the British got involved, it would presumably be in a support role, with American missiles and IDF aeroplanes doing the actual dirty work.

    My question is: if Iran’s nuclear facilities were destroyed in an operation which did not amount to a full-scale invasion, would this necessarily be against the UK’s national interest, given that it might destabilise the regime and help to democratise the country?

  141. Johnstone

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:39 pm

    Worked for a few minutes only then it was gone, sorry

  142. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:40 pm

    Ingo,

    I have seen my comments erased after being published on TheGuardian website without any infringement to their moderating policy. Did you take screen shots of your comments?

  143. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:40 pm

    Rusbridger and Prescott on Ch 4 News just now discussing media matters!

  144. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:42 pm

    Abe Rene,

    You’re dreaming and like many in the Left, totally in denial that the goal is not to democratise but to destabilise.

  145. roger

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:46 pm

    Excellent Craig: But how long would it take britons to ralize that live under Rothschild´s kingdom, Gould appointment as ambassador it is not a mere coincidence.- Whenever MSM signals it is never in the right direction, if we are looking for dictators, regime change, tax & bank abuse, criminal wars and the like,we shouldn´t look further than the absolute tiranny in the real politics of England that´s exercised by “bwana” Rothschild and Bros. Just tell me about a single one official that´s not a mason, that as a rule and oath masons must protect Jewish & Israel, and that as a rule of money Rothschilds run the Masons.- Uncut & occupiers must rallie in front of Jacob Rothschild manor instead of St. Paul Cathedral.-

  146. Michael Culver

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:52 pm

    Brilliant job Craig Murray. Try the Keiser report, Counterpunch and Antiwar,all of them might take it.I thought Ex-Pat’s comments on Iraq horror on your blog of the 13th very accurate.I went to the House of conmen last year to listen to the Henry Jackson mob, the usual suspects there Reid ,45 minutes Rifkind,left early stomach trouble!Did anyone catch Monbiot’s piece in the Indy last week re: a researcher who did a survey of sociopaths/psychopaths in Broadmoor and another on a comparable number of C.E.O.s ,the latter ,suprise suprise, scored far higher! the message being if you’re born poor & psycho you’ll end up behind high bars but if rich or well connected up the top of high very smart buildings. Spent a lot of Sunday on Brian Haw and Babs Tucker’s patch in Parliament Sq: some abuse but also alot of sympathy from Spaniards Portuguese Chinese et al .There is a growing awareness of the level of corruption.I quite agree about Gove ,a vicious little cove, haven’t forgotten him calling Iraq a glorious adventure,as for s Marr m I awarded him the Goebbels award with Arsonofabitch runner up for their contributions to reporting over the last ten years.The Daily Wail will scream whatever it is told to scream, a sick sick state we’re in.The only moment that gave a tiny flicker of amusement were the off mike comments between Sarcrazy & Obomba re: Yesanyahoo.As to the Bliar, see my website,why oh why is he given one second of airtime? How complicit is he in Fox Gould Werrity ? Meanwhile we have Keitel Richards congratulating the forces for bombing Libya flat,real Bullingdon gallantry kicking someone repeatedly who is lying on the ground unable to defend themselves. A.I.L. for OIL. What’s changed since Atilla the Hun? Keep it up Craig you’re shining a light where the crawling things don’t want it shone.

  147. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:52 pm

    Sophia I liked your website where I found these photos of pre 1948 Palestine which belong to Abu Issa.
    .
    About Me
    Call me ‘Abu-Issa’, I’m a Palestinian living in Montreal, Canada. Though I live on the opposite side of the planet from where I was born, Palestine is never far from my heart. This blog, for one, is meant to show support for my brothers and sisters but also to show how a Palestinian lives in exile.
    http://montreal-palestine.blogspot.com/2007/01/old-newspaper-clippings.html

    .
    At the end of the Picassa file on his post, I spotted the two Palestine Police Force Wanted posters for Begin and the others in Irgun and the Stern Gang.

  148. Jonathon

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:53 pm

    Great article Craig,

    The Werritty story still has legs, despite the manstream media smucks having lost interest. We are all fine at the moment… until they start locking up bloggers… then we are f**ct. In the meantime there seem to be 3 Big problems.

    1. Economic meltdown form finacial terrosists
    2. War with Israel-Iran.
    3. Europe being taken over by Banksters.

    #Zionism

  149. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 7:57 pm

    kudos to whoever keeps putting the links back up on Guardian cif threads. Keep the thought police busy deleting them.

  150. Adrian Buckley

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:00 pm

    Just read a little more on your site about BICOM…. had supper at Poju Zablodonovich’s house on Bishops Avenue as well , I guess I was recorded by Mossad demanding a Gold standard monetary system , to the horror of Bilderberg lieutenant Ken Clarke ;-) please feel free to email me Craig.

  151. Daisy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:03 pm

    »If you click the title of the story on WRH Craig’s site with story comes up – so I can’t get closer than this below.
    I have picked up the item from the site.
    You will see the title and the time.
    Go to What Really Happened and scroll down to the 8.43 mark. Each story carries a time with it.
    It has been up now for quite a good few hours so is getting further down the list. But look at the time against each story – you can’t miss it.

    * 1 comment
    *
    * Permalink

    ^
    Nov 14 08:43
    Matthew Gould and the Plot to Attack Iran
    Tags:

    * GREAT BRITAIN
    * IRAN

    This is Matthew Gould, second from right, British Ambassador to Israel, who was pictured speaking at a meeting of the Leeds Zionist Federation that was also the opening of the Leeds Hasbarah Centre. The Leeds Zionist Federation is part of the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland, motto “Speaking Up for Israel.” A collection was made at the meeting to send packages to members of the Israeli Defence Force.

    On 29 May 2011 The Jerusalem Post reported: “British Ambassador Matthew Gould declared his commitment to Israel and the principles of Zionism on Thursday”.

    Remember this background, it is unusual behaviour for a diplomat, and it is important.
    »

    * 1 comment
    *
    * Permalink

  152. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:05 pm

    Adrian,

    I should be delighted if you raised it, though you may see a reduction in your dinner invitations…

  153. RealityZone

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:06 pm

    My friend Tony sent me your article.
    He put it up on his blogs.
    I followed by putting it on my blogspot also.

    The only thing that the Machine fears is [exposure].

  154. Daisy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:08 pm

    Now 6th story down on Jeff Rense.
    Rense.com
    Has massive international readership.

  155. Sophia

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:18 pm

    To Mary,

    Delighted that you found something interesting on my blog.

    To all,

    I have nearly exhausted my network and places I know might be interested by the story. However, I found that there are people in West who have the same reaction in non mainstream as in mainstream media, probably because they don’t want to lose their connections to MSM. There are in fact two major stories in this post, the story of the lobby at MOD and the story of the influence of the lobby within MSM

    Counterpunch might still be an interesting place to contact.

  156. Killer

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:23 pm

    You’ll be sorry a lot about what you wrote. You can not imagine how much you will suffer.

  157. Fedup

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:23 pm

    Craig do I have your consent to translate this work, and distribute it?

  158. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:25 pm

    Fedup

    Feel free.

  159. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:31 pm

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2011/11/httpwww.html

    Craig your article should be front page news, you are sending chills down my spine.

    The Olympics, (see above link ) I fear England /U.S along with Israel will repeat a 9/11 during the Olympics blaming Iran and this will be the springboard to invade !

    The warnings ‘now’ to prepare the country suggesting missiles !!!! remember Craig the London Bombings and a ‘dry run’ taking place at the very same time, same train…blah blah blah…The exact same thing happened in Madrid, the day before military exercises ???..Ex PM Jose Maria fled Spain straight into the arms of Murdoch he now sits on the board of directors at News Corps ! The new PM Zapatero, told a full house in Parliament Aznar had destroyed all information with regards to the Madrid Train Bombings !

  160. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:31 pm

    Sorry Sophia, screenshots?? moire? I’m running a steam iron here and have not mastered much intecracies of IT.

    max keiser is a good idea, the mans an icon, but he likes the financial angle so he would need asn Atlantic bridge angle to it.

    Just teased newsnight, I mean who wants to report a boring Mansion House speech when they can calm down our NATO/EU partners by informing the world what has been going on behind the scenes of this Government, plans made years ago in opposition, the fruition of which we are now partial to.

    I think that this plot started in 2000 with the handing over of false blueprints to Iranians reps in Vienna, this plan to attack Iran as part of the axis of evil was long planned, but these plonkers cocked it up, by being too in our face and too sure of themselves. let them roast!

  161. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:31 pm

    Killer

    Thank you for that stunning intellectual contribution.
    Interesting in fact that so far there has been no attempt from any source to try to contradict or deny this, given its huge exposure across the net already.

  162. Ishmael

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:39 pm

    Surprised? Why. And god sent his angel down to earth to prepare for battle.

  163. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:42 pm

    Google “matthew-gould-and-the-plot-to-attack-iran”
    and you will see 19,000 hits. Also most of the unofficial media…

  164. skelpitheid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:43 pm

    Popped a message to Alan Hart, thought he might be interested to see it. We need a UK ICH…

  165. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:44 pm

    Ahh the other side of the world is waking up, what eloquence out of such a big mouth, killer, and before you had your breakfast.

  166. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:46 pm

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2011/11/77-london-bombings-terror-rehearsal.html

    Craig to remind your readers of the ASTOUNDING coincidence on the London Bombings. Peter Power ALSO fled the country the following day !

    I expect this video to be removed anytime now ! I do however have a transcript.

  167. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:48 pm

    Komodo – if you google the exact phrase, you will get 789 hits, which is most of the reposts so far. Some of them are from very high volume sites. It’s been read by 14,238 people on this site so far. Add in 789 more sites, and it has certainly been read by more than a million people (if this site were the average, it would be ten million).

    If we redouble our efforts, I see no reason we cannor get more readers than we would have done in the mainstream media. This has been quite a cheering eye-opener to me. And still the Israeli lobby is yet to come up with a response…

  168. Gaelstorm

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:48 pm

    What a stinking mess. Please god we vote for independence in the referendum so we can get out of this shit.
    And, in the process hopefully,so diminish the military-industrila complex that our English neighbours & friends can get their democracy back too.

  169. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:52 pm

    Top of the “what’s hot” list on Veterans Today, even:
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/29/the-meeting-of-the-morally-repugnant-and-logically-repugnant-can-be-sublime-or-not/
    (To the right of the article)

  170. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:55 pm

    Craig, that’s 19,000 views, probably. I didn’t count the pages of sites carrying it. 19,100, now…

  171. enochered

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:57 pm

    It has become quite clear that at a senior level, all three political parties in the UK are in collusion. To suggest that Gould is not the best choice as Ambassador to Israel, as he has declared himself to be “A Jewish Ambassador” is a joke, when in fact most of the British elite are now Zionist and have as William Hague has done, declared their undying support of Israel. This is a reminder of the position of the British Ruling Classes, when just before the outbreak of WW2 they were all strutting around as Nazi’s. This included members of the Royal Family. Some things never change. However, before long we are going to have to stand toe to toe with Zionism, before they destroy us all.

  172. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 8:59 pm

    Passerby,
    These links are for you – all posted above. I find your comment above garbled, but I gather you’re accusing me of having “mad fantasies”.
    .
    {http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/11/did-israel-blow-irans-missile-base/44931/}
    .
    {http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099376,00.html}
    .
    {http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/14/israel-mossad-iran-blast}
    .
    {http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/nov/14/iran-nuclear-weapons}
    .
    “Somehow blowing a simple accident out of proportion, and cause worries, as well as setting markers in place, in the minds of the public at large, does not cross your mind.”
    .
    I’m not sure whose sensibilities you’re so concerned about, British, American, Iranian, Israeli, or other, but no doubt the above mainstream reports/opinions carry far more weight than my Saturday musings on this blog. Don’t you think?
    .
    ———
    .
    “And the usual suspects are making the usual noises about more to come. Interestingly, the MEK has been named as participating in this alleged act of war.”
    -Komodo
    .
    The MEK were being funded by the US even while they were named on the US State Dept’s list of terrorist organisations. Last thing I read was that some members of Congress are trying to have them de-listed because they have “renounced violence”. (This just happens to be the first link I came across tonight):
    http://www.habilian.ir/en/Legal/mek-trawls-halls-of-congress-for-support-us-official.html
    .
    By the way, Mary, “Brian Binley, MP” supports these calls (know anything about him?) and he claims to be representing “500 British Parliamentarians from all parties and both Houses of Parliament”
    {http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/178407-appeal-to-secretary-clinton-to-delist-the-mek}
    .
    (Wish we had Preview!)

  173. Joe

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:05 pm

  174. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:06 pm

    Rocki, see Mark Golding’s earlier comment on the same subject. It is disturbing and what Mark says about the “dirty tricks” brigade using asylum-seekers as cannon-fodder for their sting is extremely plausible, since asylum-seekers have no money, Theresa May wants to see them all sent back regardless of the repressive nature of the regimes from which they’ve escaped. For the government this kills two birds with one stone. And as you say it could be the UK’s ‘war on terror’. It’s very worrying.

  175. mary

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:15 pm

    The Avatars have disappeared against everybody’s name and my broadband connection keeps dropping out?! Anyone else having problems?

  176. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:19 pm

    I’ve posted Craig’s link to Stop the War Coalition but it’s not there. Anybody know why?

  177. Conjunction

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:20 pm

    I have been having a conversation on CIF about Guardian censorship reference this article. So far my posts haven’t been deleted, but one other person who made a sarky comment about Israel has.
    .

    I posted a link and a brief precis of the article:
    .
    Orthus and others.

    Not my comment but a number of bloggers who post on Craig Murray’s site have had posts deleted from CIF today which drew atttention to an article Craig posted today, link above.

    The article is about 6 meetings attended by Liam Fox, Adam Werritty and Matthew Gould, British Ambassador to Israel.

    Craig is an ex British Ambassador to Uzbekistan himself and well-connected. These meetings were mostly not mentioned in Gus O Donnell’s report on the Werritty affair, they were not minuted, and the FCO have not denied they took place but have refused to answer questions about them.

    Murray says: ‘My source says that co-ordinating with Israel and the US on diplomatic preparation for an attack on Iran was the subject of all these meetings.’

    Murray wrote an article about all this (now available on his website) which a number of national newspapers refused to print.

    The posts on the Guardian which were deleted were all referring to these events, although I did not read them myself.

    Thanks for your interest.

  178. Sunflower

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:21 pm

    @Mary “The Avatars have disappeared against everybody’s name and my broadband connection keeps dropping out?! Anyone else having problems?”
    .
    No Mary, works fine for me.

  179. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:23 pm

    Hello John Goss, there’s more, the Goverment chose the day of the two Murdochs question time to release their 7/7 London Bomb findings…a day when no one would report it because ALL eyes were on father and son Murdoch.

    Also worrying the article along side that this chap has proof 7/7 was an inside job .I am trying to keep track of him but it’s not easy MP Green Jenny Jones no help whatsoever ! Of course they are trying to make out he is a nutcase but I have read far too much to know that Blair was involved in 7/7 and he made damn sure he was out of the country that day.

    http://themurdochempireanditsnestofvipers.blogspot.com/2011/07/hackgate-goverment-chooses-today-to.html

  180. Jeff Softley

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:30 pm

    horrid zionists ready to imperil the whole world for their land-grab and play for regional superpower status – using the blood and treasure of the USA and Britain … jews have been around nearly 6000 years as a culture but zionism only 100+ and it is clearly a poison – a poison spewed by the parasite that is zionist political structure … it is time America and Britain wake up to the real threat and peel the zionists’ fingers from our respective levers of power and stop them from putting the whole world at risk – factual evidence such as Amb. Murray supplies is essential to this end

  181. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:30 pm

    John Goss

    Stop the War – no, I’ve been trying too. Maybe the comrade trots need a central committee decision?

  182. Suhayl Saadi

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:31 pm

    Like many others, I suspect, I’ve put it on Facebook.
    .
    Mary, ‘Abu Issa’ – ‘Father of Jesus’. Can you imagine, if your name was that and when asked at the local library, “What’s your name, sir?” and you replied, “Father of Jesus”, they’d think you were a loony! Brilliant. I love such conjunctions.
    .

  183. Jeff Softley

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:33 pm

    … to clarify, lest my words be twisted in the above post: I absolutely support the right of jews to live in peace, security and to survive and thrive … it is the hideous militarist movement that is zionism which is the problem … and I would echo what I read an Arab writer say on Mondoweiss, “you have to be a good neighbor to have good neighbors,” and by my evaluation israel and zionists want no neighbors with which to share, but subject populations to control

  184. Fedup

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:33 pm

    MPs’ expenses: Tory claims £57,000 to rent flat from own company An outstanding alderman like Mr. Binley can lay claim to all sorts of matters.
    ,
    Thousands of Iranians turning up to ask Clinton to de-terror the weird Marxist sect with a track record of aiding and abetting Saddam during his reign of terror wreaked upon Kurdish regions of Iraq. That is in addition killing many thousands of Iranians in terror attacks, not forgetting MEK/PMOI fight against Iranians, and alongside with the Iraqi troops during the eight years war of Iraq, Iran.
    ,
    Reverting to type; the pontifications of a Pooh-bah masquerading as a self appointed spokesperson, whilst busy selling snake oil.

  185. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:35 pm

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2011/11/uk-goverment-are-source-of-terror.html

    Tony Farrell. Craig might be worth having a chat with him knowing the war monger Murdoch and his reaction, Tony may be worth listening to.

  186. ingo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:39 pm

    Mary, I have same problems, dropped out three times in five minutes.

  187. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:48 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWWHtC1CIi0

    The Twin Towers were ‘ Blown Up’ said Cameron. Read the comment that goes with the U Tube…his words never reported again..a Cameron slip up ?

  188. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:50 pm

    Rocki

    That’s enough links on 7/7 and 9/11 thanks.

  189. fed

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:50 pm

    Those with drop out problems, first of all make sure you delete your cookies. If you are using win microsoft restart you machine, the nasty vermin hanging around this site may be up to their usual tricks. Also make sure your firewall is up and running. Further, try and check your connection speed going to this site, it is self explanatory.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    Ingo,
    taking a snap shot of your screen is easy, for win platforms go to the screen you want to save, then press “prt sc” you will find the button on the left hand side of your keyboard. Then go and open a “paint” session, ie paint program in the accessories, once there right click on your mouse, and find copy, then save the image as a .JPG, good luck mate.

  190. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:50 pm

    Dropouts – log off, disconnect from ISP, reconnect, log back on. It may just be a traffic problem, and this sometimes sorts it. Also, with most ISP’s it will give you a new DNS, so if someone is pissing about, they’ll lose you.

  191. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:51 pm

  192. Fedup

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:52 pm

    Sorry for not completing the name.

  193. gary smith

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:52 pm

    hello craig

    well done for standing up and being counted. the article lacks bells and whistles and is probably too nuanced for the street prestitutes and their lowest common denominator pitch. i also think we are well into a `bread and circuses` era, the matthew werrity gould story has already been and gone, there is always a fresh sensation for the media to distract the public with. it will only become newsworthy when we see footage from the attack. i for one dont want to see a war with iran, war begats war always has done, war for peace is just newspeak. why does iran want the bomb,? – so they get taken seriously on the world stage and entities like the usa and nato cant just coerce them e.g pakistan. you and your readers must keep up the pressure to disseminate this story, and keep digging, they have been careful to ensure there are no recordings/record of what was said, so as to be able to poo-poo any challenge as mere speculation, these people mean business and their business is mean.

  194. Fedup

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:55 pm

    PPS I am getting senile, Ingo it is paste not copy ie after you press the right key on your mouse, then find paste and paste it to “the paint”.
    ,
    They are working me too hard these days.

  195. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:55 pm

    It’s “alt” and “Print screen” together, isn’t it, Fed? Then open and right click on Paint and “paste” -it’s already on the clipboard.
    What do I know….mine’s open source :)

  196. Dick the Prick

    14 Nov, 2011 - 9:56 pm

    Cheers Craig. Strange but i’m not even slightly shocked anymore. Ho hum.

  197. Scouse Billy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:06 pm

    Craig, I have just sent you a pm – N.b. media owner does not want details to be made public.

  198. Johnstone

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:07 pm

    Just got his You Tube speech cleared of all comments but not all are down yet.. Tel Aviv must be swarming with kittens right now!!!

  199. Pee

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:08 pm

    Or…PrtSC, then open up a word document and press Shift, Ins. Use the ‘crop’ tool to pare down the screen shot to the area you want.

  200. Fedup

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:09 pm

    Lizard, ie Komodo
    I am beginning to like your specious, and you are right mate. It is too late and I am tired, doing five tasks concurrently and not getting any accomplished, but hey that is in line with the theory of incompleteness (total misinterpretation).
    ,
    Ingo,
    Make that “alt” the button on the bottom right hand-side of your keyboard, concurrently pressed with “prt sc” or “prt scrn”.

  201. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:12 pm

    Craig, I feel a bit miffed about Stop the War Coalition not allowing the post. I was very active in Small Heath STW especially during the build up to the Iraq attacks and have continued to receive postings from the organisation. Other people seem to be able to make comments there. And I can remember you addressing STW campaigners in Manchester. I shall have to speak to someone.

  202. snickid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:15 pm

    Send a copy of Craig’s report to your MP, and ask them to press the government to:

    1. Recall Andrew Gould as Britain’s ambassador to Israel (A British ambassador represents Britain in a foreign country. Britain has, however, appointed to Israel an ambassador who clearly represents
    Israel as well as Britain.)

    2. Conduct a full investigation into the significant evidence of a concerted attempt by American neo-conservatives, Ambassador Gould, and Adam Werritty to push for conflict with Iran.

    I did – and if enough other people do it, the Werritty affair will get taken up again.

  203. Ken

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:20 pm

    I sent an email to the information clearing house to see if they might carry the story.

  204. Jack

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:24 pm

    The important thing here – even if looked at only from a UK-only perspective – Iran is not Iraq!
    .
    Or to put it another way – FOR FUCK’S SAKE – IRAN IS NOT IRAQ!!!! Is everyone insane??!!
    .
    This is NOT going to end well – does this country even know or care what it’s getting itself into??????????
    .
    And all to keep the Fourth Reich (sorry – Zionist lobby) on board? FFS!!!!

  205. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:25 pm

    The online India Times has got it – linked from globalresearch:
    http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/article/0a8r3wy4L95q0?q=Iran

  206. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:25 pm

    And along with these ‘spectacular’ war on terror plots ALWAYS in the wings there’s Murdoch !

    http://themurdochempireanditsnestofvipers.blogspot.com/2011/09/hackgate-murdochs-propaganda-is.html

  207. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:28 pm

    Fedup – lol. Go to bed!

  208. Komodo

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:37 pm

    ,,,Palestine Chronicle: worth a read of the articles above it, but scroll down for extract/precis of Craig’s piece.
    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17250

  209. Póló

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:44 pm

    Your post reposted here:
    http://photopol.com/pics/gould.html

  210. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:49 pm

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2011/11/iran_14.html

    According to this report war with Iran planned since 2004…so today in the media we are talking missiles to protect those at the Olympics !!!!

  211. Canspeccy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:55 pm

    “Folks, it’s just gone up on anti-semitism.net”
    .
    Which confirms what I said the other day, which was that Guardian and the rest wouldn’t touch your article because it falls within the definition of the new anti-Semitism, i.e., it criticizes Israel. Except, it doesn’t really. It criticizes the British Government or its agents for serving Israel not Britain. So maybe this is the new “new anti-Semitism”, i.e., anything that is in anyway detrimental to the interest of Israel, e.g., exposing treason in the UK that benefits Israel is now to be understood as anti-Semitism.
    .
    The thing is, as I pointed out the other day, such a definition means that being an anti-Semite is something for people to be proud of. Is that good for Jews?

  212. Fedup

    14 Nov, 2011 - 10:55 pm

    Komodo,
    I will take heed of your advice. However can someone identify the ne’er-do-wells in the photograph posted please?
    ,
    Is it Binley who is furthest to right? Who are they others? (apart from Gould)

  213. Rob

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:02 pm

    Jonathan :
    “1. Economic meltdown form finacial terrosists
    2. War with Israel-Iran.
    3. Europe being taken over by Banksters.
    #Zionism”
    - It seems you are insinuating that the one aspect underpinning all these phenomena is somehow Zionism (unless I’m misunderstanding you). A little absurd.
    To be sure, Zionism especially in its reformed Jabotinsky “Iron Wall” form, as it is today, is not a very healthy philosophy, but rest assured, the economic meltdowns have wholly different causes…

  214. Rob

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:05 pm

    Clark and Peter Bryce :
    Thanks for info on cell phones.

  215. Brendan

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:08 pm

    It’s fairly obvious why the MSM won’t touch this with a barge-pole. Messing with The Met and NI is one thing – and this took time, and many lawyers – but messing with Securitat is quite another. Aside from the fact that the security services have people employed as journalists, even the honest ones know that careers would be on the line.
    .
    But of course, two other real villains of the piece are: Gus O’Donnell, and, I’d argue, David Cameron. Gus for the politically inspired white-wash – and David Cameron for the political inspiration. And this is another, more subtle I think, reason why Craig’s piece isn’t being carried: it asks very serious questions of the PM himself. The PM will make the decision whether to send troops to Iran – indeed, he already has, it seems. Was he entirely ignorant of his Defence secretary’s relationship to a neocon cabal lobbying on behalf of Israel in order to invade Iran? This dubious PM seems to be the most connected man in the history of politics, so I doubt it.
    .
    Even leaving the PM out of it, Ambassador Gould has indeed to be recalled. Being friendly to Israel is not the same as being a Friend Of Israel, and he’s stepped over the line, by a distance. Very interesting stuff on the plotting to invade Iran. Alas, we’re going to hear much more about Iran soon – and not enough about Gould.

  216. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:09 pm

    http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/10/fox-werritty-tied-up-and-knotted-but-by.html

    The SLOG…onto something ?

    One things for sure, someone ,somehow has to stop the Olympics. For any reason to attack Iran there will have to be massive loss of life and what better opportunity than the Olympics ! Cameron is a madman.

    Prison Plant and John Pilcher need to have this article.

  217. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:13 pm

    http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2009/10/iran-nuclear-pilger-obama

    I did of course mean John Pilger am going to search for Prison Planet on twitter.

  218. Jonangus Mackay

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:14 pm

    Link now up on Wikileaks key precursor Cryptome:
    .
    http://cryptome.org/

  219. Michael

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:15 pm

    Your article in globalresearch.ca

  220. Rocki

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:19 pm

    http://theoccupationofpalestine.blogspot.com/2011/09/iran-how-would-us-led-iran-war-begin.html

    Now the really scary part explained in great detail, war with Iran..

  221. John Goss

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:19 pm

    Now I can see this important piece of investigative journalism is starting to go global I can go and sleep peacefully. May you all do the same, but spare a thought for those who cannot go to sleep peacefully, because of western intervention, as I will do.

  222. Andy

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:45 pm

    Hope this will now become a story that the media can’t miss.

  223. Hamish

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:48 pm

    Just checked and Mike Rivero (Whatreallyhappened.com) and Jeff Rense (Rense.com) are both posting. I E mailed both but so did many other folk. Dosn’t seem to be anything on Drudge as yet.

  224. nuid

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:49 pm

    Surely any attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities would provoke retaliation in the Gulf that would cut shipping routes and disrupt the flow of oil and gas? Why don’t they (US/Israel) just talk to Iran and give up this schoolyard bully baseball bat approach?
    .
    I give up. I’m going to bed.
    .
    Oh by the way, this is interesting
    “58% of UK public say they have lost trust in papers” (but they trust TV and radio more)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/14/phone-hacking-public-trust

  225. Blogger

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:52 pm

    Speculative, melodramatic and unnecessarily rude. I don’t wonder you are finding it difficult to get published.

    And do try not to constantly remind your readers that you used to be an ambassador.

  226. craig

    14 Nov, 2011 - 11:52 pm

    Nuid,

    Yes. The other 42% must be pretty thick.

  227. Courtenay Barnett

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:02 am

    My two penny piece for what it is worth:-
    1. The Jews had a rough ride in the Holocaust, but this does not excuse the displacing of some 700,000 Palestinians at the time of the Nabka ( great catastrophe).
    2. One of the huge ironies of the 20th Century, is the Zionists, as “chosen people” turning round immediate post World War 11 to inflict sustained suffering on another people.
    3. The recent absence of effective defence systems and military means with long range missiles and WMDs made Libya relative easy pickings for the powers that be – so – if one were Iran, would a lesson not have been learned therefrom? Arm yourself to the teeth and prepare to fight fire with fire if attacked – how else does a country survive when faced with aggression?
    4. Israel has nukes and no international accountability.
    5. Where is the humanity, the legality, the sanity – when beyond the 1967 boundaries Israel continues to build illegal settlement and with an Apartheid wall create Bantustans while denying the Palestinians their rights?
    6. I recall what the Palestinian intellectual, Edward Said said about a one state solution – the demographics of Israel and the realties on the ground must dictate that to maintain an ethnically defined state then some 20% or more of the population of Israel must be disenfranchised. How can this be democratic and why isn’t it seen to be racism? Fuck Zionism, as far as I care, for no one in my eyes is any fucking chosen people, and I do believe in mutual respect and equality for all homo sapiens.
    7. Yes – the perfect number to end on – 7 – for if Israel attacks Iran then at this juncture at 7 is where many can make ready to look to heaven – for I believe that it would be easy for such a war rapidly to escalate and envelope the whole of the Middle East, if not kick start World in World War 111.

  228. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:10 am

    Blogger

    “And do try not to constantly remind your readers that you used to be an ambassador.”

    Haven’t mentioned it on this blog for many months, except here in the context of discussing what an Ambassador would normally do, where being one is rather relevant, don’t you think?

  229. oddie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:14 am

    3 Nov: Daily Star Lebanon: Sam Bahour: The Quartet merely serves as a facade of peace mediation
    In an interview with Haaretz more than a year after he resigned from his 11-month ordeal as Quartet special envoy, James Wolfensohn said it best: “I feel that if anything, I was stupid for not reading the small print. I was never given the mandate to negotiate the peace.” Haaretz noted in reporting the interview that, “The mandate he received, he says – which is identical to the one Tony Blair has now been given – was solely to try to improve the economic situation in the territories and to improve the Palestinians’ situation in general, whereas he naively thought that this included intervention to advance peace.”…
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Commentary/2011/Nov-03/152952-the-quartet-merely-serves-as-a-facade-of-peace-mediation.ashx#axzz1djB1UfzC

    5 Oct: Financial Times: Palestinian leaders lose faith in Blair
    By Vita Bekker in Jerusalem
    Top officials in the Palestine Liberation Organisation, the umbrella group that includes most Palestinian factions, charge that Mr Blair – who represents the so-called Mideast Quartet that includes the US, UN, European Union and Russia – prefers to look out for Israel’s interests rather than acting as an honest broker…
    (PYTHONESQUE FT)The tensions between Palestinian leaders and Mr Blair are the latest obstacle to international efforts to reignite peace talks that have stalled for more than a year.
    The Palestinians’ growing hostility is also a sign that they are unlikely to accept a new Quartet proposal, largely driven by Mr Blair, calling for negotiations to be renewed within weeks and concluded by the end of 2012…
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7b4cede2-ef63-11e0-bc88-00144feab49a.html#axzz1djCE6KiZ

    and let’s not forget Blair’s most unfit “special envoy to the Middle East, Lord “Cashpoint” Levy:

    Michael Levy
    Levy first met Tony Blair at a dinner party in 1994, hosted by Israeli diplomat Gideon Meir,[3] the two having a common friend in Eldred Tabachnik, a senior barrister (now a QC and a former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews) at 11 King’s Bench Walk, the chambers founded by Derry Irvine where Blair had trained in the early 1980s…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levy,_Baron_Levy

  230. Jonangus Mackay

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:16 am

    Now being run by Daily Kos, US site with average weekday traffic of hundreds of thousands of visits:
    .
    http://bit.ly/vVlYtT

  231. Graham Ennis

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:26 am

    Hullo Craig,
    I think there is a smoking gun here. This sort of thing is actually going on, 24/7 however.
    Myriads of such meetings. like the Loch Ness Monster, You just caught the rare moment when the beast briefly surfaced. I have no doubts about your account.It is the ones we do NOT know about that worries me. Werrity is obviously a political bagman, and a go-between, but not, in my opinion, high level. it is obvious then, that a secret channel has now been set up that bypasses the regular channels, for this odious plotting. The UK Chief of Defence staff was in Tel Aviv recently. Why?. Israeli aircraft are practising strike tactics at a nato airbase in Sardinia.Also many other like things. I think this is all a grand “Maskarova” as the Soviets used to call it, but now it has acquired a dangerous life of its own. I have my own sources. The more rational people in Israel are terrified. They now think a war of some kind is inevitable. I think we are heading towards war by mistake, promoted utterly outside democratic channels.

    What amazes me is the public reaction to the news that the UK Government is now planning an illegal war against Iran, violating the Nuremberg laws. The reaction is a deafening silence. I think we shall see war before the Spring, if not sooner.
    Regards
    Graham Ennis

  232. Roderick Russell

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:32 am

    As Craig says – “It has been blocked by the mainstream media.” The plain fact is that any article that offends powerful interest groups will be blocked by the mainstream media if the interest groups are powerful enough. Take, for example, the experience of top journalist Philip Knightly who couldn’t get an article on Denis Lehane’s horrible story of persecution by MI5 / CIA published in the UK press because it would seriously offend powerful interests, or indeed my own story.
    #
    You may recall that on November 4, under your caption “Assange and Sweden”, I provided some examples of how I had been intimidated and harassed just for complaining about Canadian Intelligence (CSIS) to Canada’s Intelligence Oversight body the SIRC. Effectively demonstrating (as others have also complained) that Canada’s intelligence oversight body simply rubber stamps Canadian Intelligence, and that that is just what Prime Minister Harper’s government wants it to do. Well 10 days later another SIRC scandal has reared up. As this article’s headline says:
    #
    CSIS Watchdog Misbehaves, Government Shrugs:
    http://prism-magazine.com/2011/11/csis-watchdog-misbehaves-government-shrugs/
    #
    This article written by Prof. Reg Whitaker goes on to make the point – “the media showed very little interest in the sudden resignation of a man appointed to head the watchdog over CSIS less than a year ago – and no interest at all in what impact this might have on national security accountability” So once again the media fearful of the intelligence industry sticks its head in the sand. In my view the biggest threat to democracy and freedom today is the fact that the press is clearly being censored by elites.
    #
    If we want our children to grow up in a democracy the mainstream media is going to have to rediscover its past professionalism and have the courage to start reporting stories irregardless of whether powerful interests approve or not.

  233. Naadir Jeewa

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:12 am

    The MEK is key to all this. I personally know of strong support amongst Tories for the former/borderline terrorist cult. They even have this Syriana-esque “British Parliamentary Committee for Iran Freedom”, which is not actually a parliamentary committee:
    http://iran-freedom.org/

  234. Ian R Crane

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:18 am

    Hi Craig, it would be good to talk! Ian

  235. Ian M

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:23 am

    Great work, Craig. A remarkable joining of the dots, and winkling out of these secretive, subversive officials at the heart of the UK government. It is shameful that a paper like The Guardian won’t touch it, although I have noticed that they have drawn in their horns when it comes to criticism of Israel – I can only imagine some intolerable pressure behind the scenes, which is the usual MO of the Israel lobby. Certainly they have the others sewn up – The Telegraph prints whatever they choose to leak to them, and the BBC has been cowed by similar relentless harassment and attacks on them.
    It lays bare the astonishing ease with which very determined, very well connected individuals can work behind the scenes to promote policies which are bigoted, illegal and promote the interests of a foreign government. Democracy is easily subverted, people are manipulated and before they realised are conned into a war which may drag on for years costing huge amounts and many deaths. Cameron is too spineless and unprincipled to do anything about it, even if he thought it was vaguely wrong. It demonstrates the principle that it only takes a small group of zealots to hijack foreign policy – as Tom Friedman casually admitted he reckoned that ‘it took only 25 people in Washington to relentlessly promote war, without whom the war wouldn’t have happened’.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/golden-oldies-tom-friedman-telling-an-arab-society-to-suck-on-this.html

    That is the point: UK and US policy is shockingly and easily hijacked by the Israel lobby for its own ends. Well done for exposing a part of its unsavoury and seditious campaign to drag us into another appalling war for no purpose other than Zionism.

  236. CanSpeccy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:51 am

    “The other 42% must be pretty thick.”
    .
    Question is, who’s the thickest? The 42 who trust the papers or the 58 who “trust TV and radio more.”
    .
    But then in the absence of a truly free press (e.g., each owner restricted to a single outlet, or orifice one might say in the case of the Murdoch family) what can people do. Either ignore public policy issues altogether and boycott elections, or try to figure out what’s going on by following the news from dishonest sources.
    .
    Either way, we appear to be in a post-democratic era, assuming there ever was a democratic era.

  237. Barbara Suzuki

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:06 am

    It’s up on my debate forum – but I am concerned to see the article is also being picked up by the extremist bloggers of the British far right -

  238. Quelcrime

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:19 am

    Courtenay
    2. One of the huge ironies of the 20th Century, is the Zionists, as “chosen people” turning round immediate post World War 11 to inflict sustained suffering on another people.
    .
    As soon as the French were liberated from German occupation, they jumped on ships and went off to Vietnam, which had just declared independence after kicking out the Japanese (who had taken over from the French) in order to re-colonise the place.

  239. Another Aussie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:35 am

    Bravo, Craig. I found this article through Rense.com.
    Well written and provoundly inspiring to the tiny tiny minority here in Australia who care about truth, justice, peace and humanity.
    Will try to get the article out to others in Australia. Mind you we are also lockstep with Israel, UK and US. No critism of Israel is allowed whatsoever. Our pathetic left has been infiltrated and believe in Humanitarian Wars. Most people here don’t care about the Murder and torture of Gadaffi, the rascism of the NTC etc, and they certainly (I estimate +90% don’t care about DU particles circulating around the globe thanks to the French English and Yanks) couldn’t care less about killing the whole Persian culture for the benefit of Rothschilds Zionists.

  240. Roaming

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:05 am

    “Have no lessons been learnt?” Sure they have: you can betray the government, the country, any reasonable set of morals, lie, cheat, etc. and go unpunished and make a financial killing thereafter.

  241. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:09 am

    Rodrick,

    Since I read this article this morning I feel upset. How are we to live in peace with our children and have a sense of justice when people are plotting expansive and destructive wars against our will? I am afraid Harper has already gone this way. The Canadian conservatives are the most secretive of all and they have no real opposition right now. CSIS monitors people, knocks on their doors for as little as being from a specific country or having participated in the Gaza Freedom boats. Harper declared that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic.

    I feel upset and I am unable to sleep. The media failed us. All we have are people with conscience and means to dig for the truth. Thanks Mr. Murray!

    Barbara,

    The truth must come out even if it is used by the far right. I wrote a piece on my blog about Gay Girl in Damascus and the role of The Guardian in the story, it was picked up by conservative blogs to make fun of The Guardian. It did not upset me. Pkus, I think the European far right is much more zionist than you think (e.g. Breivik)

  242. Jives

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:15 am

    Fasinating and timely article Craig.
    Thank you.

    But please be really careful as you go about your business.

    There’s no doubt in my mind these types will kill,maim and torture anyone who questions them.

    Further,there’s no point taking your battery/SIM card out of your phone.Really.

    Best to assume,with your worldview,that you’re being watched/tapped anyway (probably for years)and its only when your SIM/mobile indicator disappears off GCHQ/NSA radar that they really get into “full pipe take “mode.

    Just act natural.

    Best wishes to you Craig,x

  243. angrysoba

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:19 am

    Angrysobs

    I said that some years after I ceased to be a diplomat.

    .
    Yes, that’s true.
    .
    I hate to sound like the donkey at the ballet, but did you submit that article to all the British newspapers exactly as it appears here? Apart from a bit of undisciplined writing, which could be cleaned up a bit (others have pointed out the move from “charitable interpretation, economical with the truth” to suddenly blaring “the liar O’Donnell!” and “why did GOD lie?”), I think readers of the Daily Mail might find it a bit hard to swallow the purpose of your cycling from a neighbour’s garden, hitching a lift to a country pub and all that. I realize it flies easily enough here, but you have commenters who quite seriously believe that Mark Golding’s dog was induced by a Zionist to eat Mark’s mobile phone. Then the idea that you happened upon some crucial evidence in a tent outside St. Paul’s just sounds a bit weird to the uninitiated, or the sheeple (brainwashed masses).

  244. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:32 am

    Angrysoba,

    We’re not braiwashed masses. Just google Gould and Werrity and you will find articles in the MSM since october pointing to an Iran plot. However, none of these articles was able to connect the dots and prove that they had real business together.

    As long as there was no proof of the plot, the info was non significant. So who is being brainwashed here?

  245. Jives

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:35 am

    @ Angrysoba.

    Who cares about your sockpuppet pedantry?

    What matters is that the crux Of Craig’s article is here.

    Who cares where he got his inside info from?Whether a tent at Occupy St.Pauls or the Wailing Wall?…the salient point is the thrust of the piece.

    Stop being such a little person in the larger debate.

    Unless,of course, that costs you overtime.

  246. Anders

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:41 am

    I have put this up at the USA site Godlike…

    here

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1703910/pg1#28162275

    I suggest folks here add their comments to the thread…

    Godlike is a CIA front, so I don’t expect the thread to flourish, evenso, the Genie is now out of the bottle, so the CIA wankers at Godlike will probably let it be.

    TBH they are lame so far, have not even got it on their radar, LOL!!!

  247. Anders

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:45 am

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    I have to “tread carefully” here.

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    The neocons have been caught “red handed”…
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    You are welcome my friend.

    I have to “tread carefully” here.
    Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398688

    Might explain why you didn’t post a working link to the article?

    This one works.

    [link to http://www.craigmurray.org.uk

    Enlightening and disturbing stuff…
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    I tried a proper link but of course it was nixed.

    Clever people here, they can figure it out.

    This is HUGE!
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    This guy Craig may be the next Dr David Kelly – get me? – let’s protect this man and spread this FAR and WIDE folks.
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    You are welcome my friend.

    I have to “tread carefully” here.
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    Might explain why you didn’t post a working link to the article?

    This one works.

    [link to http://www.craigmurray.org.uk

    Enlightening and disturbing stuff…
    Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5398905

    Long story, here are the guts

    According to my source, there is a long history of contact between Gould and Werritty. The FCO refuse to give any information on Gould-Werritty meetings or communications except those meetings where Fox was present – and those have only been admitted gradually, one by one. We may not have them all even yet.

    My source says that co-ordinating with Israel and the US on diplomatic preparation for an attack on Iran was the subject of all these meetings. That absolutely fits with the jobs Gould held at the relevant times. The FCO refuses to say what was discussed. My source says that, most crucially, Iran was discussed at the Tel Aviv dinner, and the others present represented Mossad. The FCO again refuses to say who was present or what was discussed.
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    Just want to point out that in this instance, it wasn’t copyright infringement for the OP to copy & paste the entire blog post verbatim as the author, Craig Murray, has given explicit permission and encourages it:

    Please feel free to re-use and republish this article anywhere, commercially or otherwise. It has been blocked by the mainstream media. I write regularly for the mainstream media and this is the first article of mine I have ever been unable to publish. People have risked a huge amount by leaking me information in an effort to stop the government machinery from ramping up a war with Iran. There are many good people in government who do not want to see another Iraq. Please do all you can to publish and redistribute this information.
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  248. thomas

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:46 am

    Someone posted the link to this blog in the comments section of an article at http://antiwar.com Those of you interested in this topic will find antiwar.com a good source for information on this and similar topics.. Here is the URL for the article where I found the link to this blog.

    The Armageddon Network

    How the war party is ginning up war with Iran
    by Justin Raimondo, November 14, 2011
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/11/13/the-armageddon-network/

    Those of us that believe that the 5OO,OOO to I,OOO,OOO dead in Iraq in that war started by dual-citizen Zionist Neocons using forged and bogus evidence is enough. We are implacably against any “preemptive” attack on Iran. Here is another link some of you may find interesting and useful… http://prisonplanet.com

    We owe our thanks to Mr Murray for this very excellent piece of sleuthing.. and of course the article… I don’t have much hope of this all having much deterrent effect on the parties like the U.S. [I'm a Yank] Israel or even your own United Kingdom. It seems to me that the movers for war and hegemony barely attempt to hide their murderous proclivities and actions…. After all, they see us as conquered peoples which they control. Try this: Notice the odd smirk when he says pull-it… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

  249. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:48 am

    Didn’t know that Gould was “Principal Private Secretary to Foreign Secretary David Miliband” The scandal might extend beyond the conservatives…

  250. Anders

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:02 am

    Sophia – very good – I hope we all know the history of the millipedes, do we?

    Their father?

    Where did he come from?

    Where do their loyalties lie?

    I suggest exactly the same shithole that we all know all too well.

  251. Anders

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:11 am

    Re: Hot Breaking News From The UK – MSM Will Not Touch It!
    Cheers mate, I am about to crash, we are in different time zones so maybe you (and others) can bump it a bit.

    This is the identical scenario, Blair went to suck Bush’s cock at his ranch one year before the war, and conned the UK parliament, with SIS MI5 MI6 MOSSAD CIA connivance.

    This is not rocket science.

    The fuckers ALWAYS repeat what they have got away with before.

    Always.

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1703910/pg1#28162692

  252. johnf

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:34 am

    Craig

    Your story is posted on the Middle Eastern blog Friday Lunch Club:

    http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.com/

    and it has been referenced on Colonel Pat Lang’s influential Intelligence blog in the States:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2011/11/a-variety-of-iran-items.html

    and the “Moon of Alabama” blog:

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/11/joyner-iaea-exceeds-its-mandate-biased-because-of-israel-.html#comments

    Congratulations

  253. World Watching

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:38 am

    Watching globalrevolution http://livestre.am/PlNN via @livestream
    The whole world is watching.

  254. World Watching

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:41 am

    Occupy Wall Street gone. Brutally.

  255. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:45 am

    angrysoba,

    “Then the idea that you happened upon some crucial evidence in a tent outside St. Paul’s just sounds a bit weird to the uninitiated”

    It was an arranged pick-up, chosen because that is the last place the authorities would expect. I though that was pretty plain but I might edit to make it more so.

    But the mainstream outlets in question are all ones for which I had written before, at least ahlf a dozen times. The points you make would be siggested edits, not reasons to turn it down completely. What was peculiarly chillling was that nobody offered any criticism of the piece, they all said they loved it – just that they had flu, or the right editor is stuck in the lift…

    I deal with these people regularly, and this was not normal

  256. World Watching

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:46 am

    OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
    The 5k books of #thepeopleslibrary have been thrown in the trash.
    Says it all.

  257. Póló

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:48 am

    Craig

    It would be helpful if you could get whoever does your blog to include a permalink with each comment. This would allow commenters to refer more easily to other comments and also allow outsiders to be referred directly to a specific comment without having to trawl the whole list.

    I find it very useful on my own blogs.

    Excellent piece and use of your talents.

  258. Quelcrime

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:18 am

    on Wednesday I picked up the information in a tent at the Occupy London camp outside St Paul’s cathedral.
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    Craig
    This is perfectly clear and only a troll trying to invent reasons to quibble would interpret it in such a distorted way as Bittertears above. No need to edit that IMV.

  259. carl

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:31 am

    A good and important piece.

    Circumstantial and surrounding evidence looks solid, even with the use of anonymous sources. You don’t have a record of what was discussed at the meetings themselves, but revealing their very existence must count for something.

    Gould, Fox and Werrity may still deny (in fact they have to deny), which would make it your word against theirs, but then they would have to explain why these meetings weren’t mentioned before.

    Gould should go or be recalled, but I don’t think think it’s going to happen, not only because the embarassment of recalling the first Jewish Ambassador to Israel may be too much for the Foreign Office and the Government to stomach, but also because the Israelis won’t allow it. But he really should go. I can’t think of anything in terms of foreign policy less in this country’s national interest and more likely to provoke terrorist attacks in this country and the USA than a war with Iran.

  260. World Watching

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:52 am

    First the Library,
    OWSLibrary The People’s Library
    NYPD destroying american cultural history, they’re destroying the documents, the books, the artwork of an event in our nation’s history.

    Then the Kitchen with Tear Gas

    http://yfrog.com/163yiz

  261. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:56 am

    The consistent message from Gould, talking to Israeli audiences, is presumably Hague’s:
    “We don’t want to fight, but by Jingo if you do
    “We want the oil, we need the cash, and we’re supporting you”

  262. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:57 am

    What fascinates me is the lack of any reaction to this. There is no attempt, here or elsewhere on the net, to refute the facts. They simply hope it will not be seen by enough people to be effective. Meantime the mainstream media simply refuses to follow up on the very obvious questions about what Gould and Werritty were doing. The mainstream media has put its head in the sand and is pretending the internet is not happening and nothing they do not mention exists. It is all very peculiar.

    You would think in particular that the mainstream media would at the very least ask why the O’Donnell report only mentioned two Fox/Gould/Werritty meetings. What a waste of space they are.

  263. Sunflower

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:06 am

    @Craig. Indeed. Just give it a little time. You have opened a crack in the dam and it will gain momentum.

  264. Andy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:08 am

    Excellent work, Craig – I’ve reposted it on my blog. The media’s refusal to publish this is hardly surprising. The Guardian actually apologised recently for publishing articles that may be construed as “anti-Semetic”, if you can believe that. Clearly the world is going slightly mad…

  265. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:08 am

    Wow! It is so inspirational to come here this morning and to see the united action that has been taken by so many people in this country and others to support Craig in exposing this outrageous treachery.
    .
    My BT broadband connection went hunting yesterday evening and this morning (server problem so they said) so unfortunately I have not been able to participate.
    .
    A good illustration of the effectiveness of people standing together is the phenomenon from the US Occupy movement – Mic Check. Used here at De Paul to thwart some Israeli propagandist.
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhhrTvdrlRs
    Fact Checking Israeli Apartheid

  266. billio

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:15 am

    An alliance has been popping off the military viability of potentially opposing Arab states ever since the Arab Spring began. We were lead to believe that this “revolution” is about democracy but it is not; it is about military strength. Millions of demonstrators are not, in the modern world, a viable military force. In modern warfare they may be able to resist through demonstration and insurgency but they can’t win in a military sense.

    Syria is now the current target with, I suspect, the ultimate aim being an attack on Iran, once all its potential supporters have been neutered. If it is a war then it will be an extremely messy one.

    The question is, if we believe this to be true, and our morals make us believe our country should stand against this, what do we do ?.

  267. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:15 am

    Such reassuring news on Bloomberg for democracy in Italy and the EU. Do THEY think we were born yesterday?

    .
    Goldman Sachs Says Adviser Mario Monti Resigns His Post at Firm
    Nov 14, 2011 8:19 AM GMT
    .
    Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) said international adviser Mario Monti, who yesterday was asked to lead a new Italy government, has “discharged all his obligations” to the firm.

    Goldman wishes Monti success in the “extraordinarily important task” he has assumed, according to an e-mailed statement today.

  268. Richard

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:18 am

    “What was peculiarly chillling was that nobody offered any criticism of the piece, they all said they loved it – just that they had flu, or the right editor is stuck in the lift…”

    They might lose their jobs because the piece shows Israel’s activities in bad light.

    Remember the UK’s foreign policy is decided by the elites behind closed doors as your article shows clearly –regardless of what the majority of people want or think. It’s a big problem. It’s very undemocratic. Will that be fixed?

  269. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:24 am

    The article is posted here.
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    “Plotting” against Iran
    I have long been suspicious about the appointment of Matthew Gould as British ambassador to Israel, first because Britain is not a Jewish country and therefore should not be represented by a Zionist Jew especially in the Middle East, and secondly because of Gould’s earlier posting to Iran. Now Craig Murray, a former British ambassador himself, claims to have serious evidence connecting Gould with a secret plan to attack Iran while the Foreign Office and the Cabinet Secretary Gus O’Donnell attempt to evade questioning
    .
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/14/playground-bullying-of-palestine-and-iran-must-stop…/

  270. Dave H

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:25 am

    It has been evident for quite some time that all our main political parties and our media all sing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to the important stuff.

    It makes you wonder what Zionisms pull is , is it financial gain or is it that people like Murdoch have dirt on so many people that they dare not oppose this disgusting ideology .

    Every credit to you Craig , I think this is a brave move in this day and age .
    There has to be more people like you in the political classes that haven’t sold their souls to the devil, who are prepared to stand up for what is right and not lines their pockets .

  271. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:25 am

    Not completely off-topic-
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/14/israel-deal-gives-them-missle-for-us-threat/
    Some interesting, if overstated, allegations here. Some, but not Cameron, apparently, are beginning to realise that a nuclear-armed Middle-Eastern country with its own agenda and intercontinental missiles might just possibly represent a global, rather than a regional threat. No, not Iran…

  272. TFS

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:31 am

    You could raise an e-voting through the governments website to get it discussed at parliament?

  273. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:34 am

    @Sophia

    “We’re not braiwashed masses. Just google Gould and Werrity and you will find articles in the MSM since october pointing to an Iran plot. However, none of these articles was able to connect the dots and prove that they had real business together.”

    And neither has this article connected the dots either – you do not know what was talked about in the various meetings, Craig, you and many others have made the assumption that it was about bombing Iran? But that is what it is. The questions need to be asked but you do not know the answers.

  274. Antelope Grazer

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:36 am

    2 Conferences, 1 Social Event, One Meeting pre-May 2010, Two Meetings post-May 2010.

    Isn’t Gus O’D's argument going to be that he was only listing actual one-on-one-on-one meetings after May 2010, and not just occasions when they attended the same event? I’ve attended the same event as Mrs Thatcher, but I’ve never had a meeting with her. I was once at the opera with Princess Diana, but I only caught a glimpse of her. Sure they might have been meeting up in the gents to swap briefcases but there’s no proof of it.

  275. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:38 am

    Stephen,

    No. My source is someone in the Cabinet Office who does know what was discussed. It is no sense a guess or conjecture. And there is not one bit of circumstantial evidence that does not go to the same interpretation.

  276. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:42 am

    Antelope Grazer

    They sat together at the Herzilya conference. They were met together at the Believe in Israel conference. They were the only three Brits at the “private dinner” which was a small event. There are two actual meetings of just the three, only one of which O’Donnell mentions. The final event was a “social engagement” to which Fox specifically invited Werritty and Gould.

    Frankly that was a pathetic attempt at dissimulation.

  277. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:47 am

    Careful Antelope never to get in the crosshairs of an IDF sniper. They like sitting targets eg the young boys collecting gravel in Gaza.
    .
    The Methodical Shooting of Young Boys At Work in Gaza
    http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=107&Itemid=2

  278. ChrisF

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:55 am

    Don’t rise to the trolls.
    Spreading the word Craig.
    Thank you.

  279. stu

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:01 am

    Included your revelations in this piece on Veterans Today http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/14/playground-bullying-of-palestine-and-iran-must-stop…/ and several other online titles. Great sleuthing, Craig. Keep turning the screw!

  280. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:05 am

    Some more Mic Checking. Look at the face of the corpo stooge Mr Scott Serota.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/14-8

  281. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:05 am

    Would it surprise anyone to learn that Gould and George Osborne were born in the same year, 1971? And that they attended the same school, St. Pauls?

  282. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:09 am

    Komodo,

    Thanks. What time of year? Would they have been in same class?

  283. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:11 am

    “And there is not one bit of circumstantial evidence that does not go to the same interpretation.”

    Apart from the FCO etc saying that it will not say what was discussed at some of the meetings. And given that some of the meetings were private, as you describe, it is difficult to see how your source knows what was said at all those meetings as you state.

    I’m afraid someone saying no comment is not circumstantial evidence (unless you take the guilty until proved innocent approach) – and apart from your single anonymous source I see little in the way of circumstantial evidence.

    You know as well as I do that there has to be a lot more questioning of the FCO, Gould and the Cabinet Office before reaching the conclusions that you do. The whole thing has to be brought out into the open if only to push the Govt and others towards non military courses of action for dealing with Iran (rather than ignoring them as many here wish to do). My guess is that there are not a few FCO officials who would agree with me. I can well imagine that there may be some Tories who favour military action against Iran as a first resort – the real issue will be to present a coherent alternative approach towards dealing with the problem – I don’t think the do nothing approach will have much chance of success.

  284. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:14 am

    Both were born in August. I guess they would have been in the same class, as both were irritatingly brilliant – (Osborne-Magdalen, Gould – Peterhouse,Cambridge)

  285. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:16 am

    Stephen – you have some better suggestions for bringing the matter into the open, maybe?

  286. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:17 am

    Stephen,

    I explain comprehensively in my article why that could not have been a “private dinner”. Your argument rests on the premiss that it would be OK for Fox – Defence Secretary, Gould – British Ambassador – and Werritty to have dinner with “senior Israelis” in Tel Aviv and not report back what happened. Of course that is plain rubbish.

    Frankly your trolling is really pathetic.

  287. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:25 am

    Following the money: Osborne was in Israel last month to open this ( but was too late for the opening, as, sadly, the world financial system was exploding):
    http://ukinisrael.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/working-with-israel/hub/, and enjoyed a reunion(?) with Gould and sundry Israeli business high heid yins. Pix on the same site.
    Our unconditional interfacing with an apartheid terrorist state is in the highest traditions of being broke and grasping at straws.

  288. Dave H

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:26 am

    Stephen , how many wars or acts of violence have Iran committed ?

    Now , how many have the US, the UK and the lunatic asylum been a part of?

    Iran isn’t the problem , the UK and the US with a bit of help from the rest of the west are now the problem. Our country is being destroyed financially while our soldiers are fighting phoney wars and our government is adamant about bombing some other brown skinned people .

  289. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:26 am

    Yesterday I had a comment removed which contained a link to Craig’s superb condemnation of Matthew Gould, and Israeli plans to attack Iran.
    .
    I contacted a moderator. His response was:
    Hello John
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    Thanks for getting in touch.
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    Your post was removed as it made potentially legally-risky allegations – as did the blog you linked to.
    We explain our position about such comments in point 6 of our community guidelines:
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    “6. We will remove any content that may put us in legal jeopardy, such as potentially libellous or defamatory postings, or material posted in potential breach of copyright”.
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    The full guidelines can be read here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/community-standards
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    Adaobi
    Moderator
    .
    My reply, which I’ve just posted was:
    .
    Dear Adaobi
    .
    I did read your guidelines before contacting you, but the Guardian, as all responsible newspapers has the disclaimer that comments made by readers are not necessarily the views of the Guardian editorship. Therefore, even if legal action was considered, it would be against Craig Murray, or me, not the Guardian. This story, despite the wishes of some moguls the British media, is going global. In trying to suppress it the Guardian is doing itself no favours. What I believe you should be doing instead is writing articles on why Matthew Gould is not fit for office as ambassador to Israel. The comment I put on Julian Borger’s blog received at least 11 favourable indicators in the short time it was up.
    .
    So you see, I believe the Guardian has ulterior motives for not wanting this content to appear. Is it, for example, ashamed that it did not choose to publish Craig Murray’s article, or was this serious piece of investigative journalism not offered to the Guardian? I should be interested to know what the real reasons for the removal of my comment are.
    .
    Regards
    .
    John Goss

  290. Clanger

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:27 am

    If that photo is anything to go by then zionism sure makes you ugly and creepy looking. Would you leave your children alone in a room with any of them?

  291. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:29 am

    Is it just me, or has Matthew Gould’s Wikipedia page vanished? Could someone please double check for me they were both definitely at the same St Paul’s school. Maybe someone with an NUJ card who isn’t me could phone the school and politely inquire if they were in the same class?

  292. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:31 am

    John Goss,

    It most certainly was offered to the Guardian! The Guardian doesn’t do difficult truth under Rusbridger.

  293. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:33 am

    “Your argument rests on the premiss that it would be OK for Fox – Defence Secretary, Gould – British Ambassador – and Werritty to have dinner with “senior Israelis” in Tel Aviv and not report back what happened.”

    No it doesn’t – I specifically said that questions should be asked about Gould’s behaviour – and I don’t think that the private dinner was appropriate for the reasons you set out. I am just pointing out that you cannot make assumptions about what was actually said and discussed at a private meeting (or ALL the meetings as is claimed) unless you have an account from one of the participants. You can guess and surmise, which is what you and your source are doing – but you do not know.

    Komodo

    Ask the questions – rather than give what you think are the answers. In my experience politicians know how to deal with loaded questions pretty well.

  294. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:37 am

    @Stephen; whilst your views are somewhat to the right of the median perspective here, I think you are being too accomodating towards our political class. I’d say it was quite clear that the report from GO’D did not state the full facts, but extra details did come out, at a very stingy rate, when further questions were asked. I should think that the behaviour on display here would upset an honest Tory supporter, and it was quite right that Fox should resign.
    .
    Sounds like Gould should be recalled too – though I suspect that Cameron doing so would be rather akin to a newspaper publishing Craig’s article. Too anti-Zionist for comfort?

  295. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:40 am

    Agreed – his Wiki page has vanished for me too. Sorry, Craig, Osborne was born in May. Don’t know how I got that wrong. But should make no difference to school entry, I think -
    This may go into pending due multiple links:
    Gould: d.o.b.:
    http://ukinisrael.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/our-embassy/our-ambassador/career-history
    Gould and Osborne alumni:
    http://www.stpaulsschool.org.uk/academic/politics
    Osborne:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne

    I’ll dig a bit more if you like it…

  296. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:41 am

    The only biography I can find is very short and references one of your former blogs.

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=37898

    My God, somebody’s really worried about this. Well done Craig.

  297. Uccello

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:42 am

    Indy, it’s easy, don’t worry! Print Screen key should be towards the top right of your keyboard probably, then open up a Word doc or powerpoint I find easier because you can do a new slide for each screenpage you want to copy and right-click and past or alternatively, Ctrl-V. Use the crop to trim off the fat, then click away and stretch out from a corner.

  298. Moira

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:44 am

    Information clearing house http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ is now one of the most reliable source of true information on the Web. In addition Press TV gives – at least – a modicum of the truth from a different perspective http://www.presstv.ir/. As an ex Reagan official Paul Craig Roberts writes pieces for ICH, CounterPunch and Anti-War.com, and in personal correspondence confesses to me that anything pertaining to 9/11 or Israel fails to be published in CounterPunch or Anti-War but is published in ICH. In other words, both CounterPunch and Anti-War.com are really disguised gatekeepers allowing only criticism on a leash.

    Following that lengthy introduction I have sent an email to PressTV requesting that Craig’s journalism be published there (no response as yet). Here is the email that I sent to Paul Craig Roberts:

    Dear Paul,

    I attach my cv to prove that I am not a flake (or fake). [You can check many of these citings in PubMed.] Please keep this confidential.

    OK, having established my credentials, might I draw your attention to Craig Murray’s very important piece at http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/11/matthew-gould-and-the-plot-to-attack-iran/ ?

    This article by Craig Murray almost proves, I think, that there is a shadow (zionist) group plotting the UK entry into the next war against Iran.

    I will record in Craig Murray’s blog that I have sent this email to you (indeed, I will post this email; and I very much hope that you can get together on this).

    I recognise that you are coming from different directions – you from Reagan and he from the left wing of British politics, but this revelation is bigger than petty political differences that might have existed in the past. 

    But, my attempt at matchmaker will fail unless you both agree to get together. You are both ex-insiders, since – as you may or not be aware – Craig is an ex British Ambassador.  

    Please read his important article on his web site and publicise it as far as you can – on ICH at least. Also, please email Craig Murray and get together.

    Let’s hope.

  299. Antelope Grazer

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:47 am

    Craig
    No need to be rude to people playing devil’s advocate. Thanks for the extra info.

  300. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:50 am

    Komodo, I should have praised you too for the classmate revelation. Thanks.

  301. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:51 am

    @Jon

    “I think you are being too accomodating towards our political class.”

    Au contraire Jon – I think my approach would cause rather more problems for the political class. The ruling classes could fairly easily dismiss much as what is being said here as defamatory, based upon preconceptions ridiculous extrapolations etc. Better to stick to what is actually known and then ask questions about it.

    The real question is whether you want to change what might happen or just rail against what you think is inevitable (e.g. see Dave H above)

    PS Dave H – if you want examples of Iran’s violence please look at the Amnesty International/HRW websites.

  302. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:54 am

    Stephen – all but the most docile citizens here know that it is very difficult to get questions answered at the centres of power. The only question asked, and only partially answered so far, has been “WTF were Fox and Werritty up to?” Hypothesis (0) is that there’s nothing to see, move along. Without an alternative hypothesis there is no basis for asking the right questions, or securing the attention of those in possession of the answers. Craig provides that.

  303. Drogo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:00 am

    This is probably the most important piece of journalism, I have seen in many years. I really salute your courage, Craig, but it makes me fear for your life given the ruthlessness of the people you are dealing with. I remember when staying with a previous senior Britsh diplomat in Israel a few years ago, being told that that they all worked on the assumption that all conversations in the embassy and in the embassy cars, were overheard by Mossad, and there was nothing they could do about it. However, I think, we really have a paradign shift now, where the Zionist lobby does not just influence Government and frighten those who oppose it, but is genuinely at the heart of government. With 80% of Tory MPs are ‘Friends of Israel’ and no doubt similar numbers of sympathisers in other parties, no one is going to expose this from the inside. However, frightened as many people are of the crossing the ‘lobby’ – and that includes almost all who work for the MSM – I expect those working FOR them fear what might happen to them far far more, were “the mob” to discover what is really going on. They know that most of those who support them only do so out of fear and fear is a weapon that can evaporate overnight – and we saw the results of that post 1989 in eastern Europe. It really is only a matter of time before enough people “in the know” put their heads above the parapet to make it simply impossible for the Lobby to control the situation any longer 9and they are anyway almost guaranteed to overplay their hand). Few people in positions of power may have your courage, but I am sure many more support you and will gradually emerge as they begin realise they are in the majority.

  304. Antelope Grazer

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:01 am

    Craig
    Definitely no Wikipedia page for Gould. If there was one, do you remember when you last saw it? Nothing in the deletion logs back to 10 Nov (it’s slow going as you can imagine).

  305. Daisy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:05 am

    I have just written a covering letter and sent the whole thing to my local tory MP asking for answers.
    Has anyone else done this?

  306. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:05 am

    Sorry, Craig. Osborne born in May not August. Links in post in “pending” file, presumably.

  307. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:12 am

    “Stephen – all but the most docile citizens here know that it is very difficult to get questions answered at the centres of power.”

    That is perhaps why a little guile is needed. Might I suggest providing the answer to your own question hasn’t had much success historically. You also have to decide whether you aim is to push the govt in a certain direction or to confirm your own prejudices. A little examination of Woodward and Bernstein wouldn’t go amiss.

  308. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:13 am

    Antelope Grazer

    Sorry, been a little fraught! On the Wikipedia page for Gould, a couple of people earlier in this thread mention posting to it. But now it has gone and like you I can’t find a deletion reference.

    Maybe someone with a little time on their hands might take this opportunity to create one now the ground has been so forutitously vacated for us?

  309. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:18 am

    Matthew announces that he is the same age as Osborne here, Craig:
    http://londonersdiary.standard.co.uk/2010/09/our-new-young-chap-in-tel-aviv.html
    .
    Stephen: tell me that I can influence the government by exercising my vote, and I think you will then have supplied all the pabulum available to you. I’ll take it as read.

  310. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:20 am

    Gould: “I’m proudly Jewish. I was brought up in a staunchly Jewish household, it was also a Zionist household.”
    http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=190369

    While demand for academic boycott of Israel was strong in UK, Gould was part of…”the BIRAX research and scientiric cooperation agreement between the two countries – an agreement which was promoted by successive British Ambassadors to Israel, Tom Philips and Matthew Gould, and which has been funded, amongst others by the Pears Foundation in London.”
    Academic boycott of Israel page at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_boycotts_of_Israel

    “According to UK ambassador to Israel Matthew Gould, there is close cooperation between the British and Israeli governments on matters relating to Iran.[7]”
    Wikipedia page of Birax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIRAX

    An interview in Hadassah magazine:
    “Q. And your experiences as a Jewish diplomat in Iran?
    A. It’s an extraordinary place and the people are absolutely wonderful. The country has an ancient and extraordinary culture. But the people’s democratic and human rights aren’t respected. We take enormous issue with many of the things that the Iranian government does, and I came away with a serious sadness because the Iranian people deserve better.”
    http://www.hadassahmagazine.org/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=twI6LmN7IzF&b=5698175&ct=9038595

    There is no Wikipedia page for Gould anymore. His name, which appears in different articles related to UK and Israel, is not referenced

  311. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:27 am

    Interview in Hadassah magazine:

    “Q. And your experiences as a Jewish diplomat in Iran?
    A. It’s an extraordinary place and the people are absolutely wonderful. The country has an ancient and extraordinary culture. But the people’s democratic and human rights aren’t respected. We take enormous issue with many of the things that the Iranian government does, and I came away with a serious sadness because the Iranian people deserve better.”

    http://www.hadassahmagazine.org/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=twI6LmN7IzF&b=5698175&ct=9038595

  312. Antelope Grazer

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:28 am

    I suspect there was never a Gould Wikipedia page – one person above suggested editing it but didn’t say he had. The other said he’d edited some other pages but not a Gould page.

  313. Xi'ang

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:29 am

    Great to see the web being used to disseminate this type of real journalism. especially when the so-called ‘mainstream media’ has so utterly failed, as it does time and time again, especially on issues of western imperialism.

    Xiang, China

  314. Xi'ang

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:31 am

    And I wonder how much of those ‘I’d watch your back if I was you, Craig’ comments are from desperate trolls?

  315. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:32 am

    Interview in the JC, sept 2010:

    “I wanted to do the meetings because the Jewish community in the UK is a large group of patriotic Brits who care deeply about Israel, its future, security and wellbeing. So it was entirely appropriate that as the person who is going out to be the guardian of that relationship, I should go and explain my plans and approach to them.

    “But because I come from the Jewish community, I felt that it was even more important that I showed myself, that they got a sense of where I was coming from. I said in every synagogue that I went to that they needed to know that I am and always will be a friend of Israel. But I am going out there as the British ambassador, and going to promote British policies.”

    There is a contradiction here between promoting British policies and being the guardian of the relationship between the Jewish community in the UK and Israel.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/37963/interview-matthew-gould-ambassador-israel

  316. John Stack

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:33 am

    You are on the top sites –Pat Lang SST and Moon of alabama.

  317. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:33 am

    Stephen, thanks. I agree that we need to try the /change/ the situation, rather than regarding it as fixed and inevitable. I agree with you and Craig that Iran has an awful regime, but pointing at their sins when we’re discussing the (alleged) corruption of the British political elite is a distraction. If the political elite wish to beat the drum for war on Iran they need to do it out in the open, and within the bounds set by the British political process. They also need to be frank and candid when citizens, journalists and independent-minded MPs ask them about it.
    .
    You are within your rights to imply that Dave H is unquestionably pro-Iran, but the problem with the “guile” approach is that you *appear* to be apologising for, or minimising the importance of, the corrupt and secretive process that could lead to British violence abroad. One cannot condemn the hanging of gay men from lamp-posts in Iran if one will not also condemn the mechanisms of the military-industrial complex that spends our money on expensive bombs that will land on civilians abroad.
    .
    As to the suggestion of defamation, (British) politicians don’t usually sue even if political allegations are wholly wide of the mark. It is considered, I think, to be anti-democratic and anti-free speech, within the narrow confines of politics. One could posit that this encourages wild speculation, but I’m not of the view that Craig has done that, especially given the nature of Atlantic Bridge and the meetings with Mossad (and outside the context of a traditional conspiracy theory too)! In fact, I think Gould et al are on the back foot, and would have hit out immediately (with opinion columns rather than writs) if they were whiter-than-white.

  318. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:37 am

  319. Antelope Grazer

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:37 am

    Here’s MG banging on about Iran:
    .
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/iran-feels-pressure-of-nuclear-economic-sanctions-u-k-official-says-1.394670
    .
    He declined, to “insert” himself, in his words, into the debate in Israel about the wisdom of an Israeli attack on Iran.

  320. Antelope Grazer

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:41 am

    This alone justifies Bibi bringing out the nukes:

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/anglo-file/u-k-s-first-jewish-ambassador-to-israel-gets-in-gear-1.314276

    “In Israel, you feel part of the Western world, part of globalization, which I didn’t feel so much in Tehran,” he added. “Yesterday for lunch I had a KFC, whereas I couldn’t have done that in Tehran.”

  321. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:44 am

    At Facing tomorrow conference (Jewish conference) speaking on Iran and nuclear proliferation: Bashing Iran and Iranians (video 9′)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv1w1jKDy6Q

    Note how he is speaking on how sanctions are affecting Iranians in detail.

    Note: you cannot erase things quickly from the web but you can push the pages back. I found the youtube link on the 12th page. Can someone please copy the video?

  322. Richard Morris

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:46 am

    Thank you Craig for this
    I have been trying to publish comments on the Guardian Comment is free site which have been rejected as have my letters questioning the Israeli’s Press Attache views. No other letters have been published in response to his remarks
    I will put your article on my blog
    Breaking The Israel/Palestine Silence http://wallsofdespair.blogspot.com
    Perhaps you would like to look at the blog which I spoke about on PressTv and which has had about 2 and a half thousand visitors, small beer I know but I keep plugging away
    Richard Morris Writer and Performer Bitter Fruit Of Palestine on YouTube and Vimeo.com

  323. passerby

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:50 am

    These fecking ziobots crapping the thread. Gould’s Wikipedia page entailed a great many details, and worthwhile to have been frozen, and or lifted by anyone of the posters here, or elsewhere, we need to check and see why the damn thing has been pulled. This is in line with the zionist trash quickly making a disappearance act, and vacating the spot light, evidently exposure to truth, is like sunlight on Dracula, both kinds of the vampires get the hell out of the spot light.

  324. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:52 am

    Stating his mission to Israel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbIT8mHS5ac&feature=related

    “I am going to be the first Jewish amb. to Israel”

  325. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:56 am

    At Israel’s Kibbutz Eshbal, speaking on the zionist vision.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqANks_zCwQ&feature=related

  326. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:58 am

    Sophia: If it’s the one I saw, he’s merely outlining official government policy, with a little hint, right at the end, that if some Israeli F-16′s were accidentally to go and drop their US-supplied ordnance on Iranian deep facilities, Her Majesty’s Government would assist Israel in the ensuing conflagration. It must have kept the audience on tenterhooks, but they got their dog-whistle in the end. He’s been delivering the same crap up and down the country. Pity the UK public hasn’t a clue what’s going on.

  327. Dave H

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:58 am

    I am not pro Iran , I’m anti bombing Iran for spurious reasons .
    I grew up thinking that Britain was a fair country led by decent human beings but over the last few years I can see that nothing is further than the truth .
    I am fed up with seeing war, death and destruction on tv like its entertainment .

    I have no idea how bad it is in Iran as I do not believe a word the UK media publishes so believe that the views we are given are hugely one sided .

    I would love to see the death toll figures for governments over the last few years , the US and the UK would at least top one international list .

  328. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:01 pm

    This link of UK in Israel at FCO is on the 16th page on a google search for Matthew Gould, why are they pushing the pages on google. Professional IT people can do this. These pages must be photographed before they disappear.

    http://ukinisrael.fco.gov.uk/en/

  329. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:03 pm

    Komodo,

    Yes the video of the statement is less interesting than the forst one I posted where he speaks at lenght before a Jewish conference on the effects of snactions on Iran. Look at the first one.

  330. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:07 pm

    I may be being a touch naive, but I sense that Cameron would not be as militarist as the Fox/Gould axis, and not just because the Lib Dems might try to sabotage the coalition if this were to happen. Presumably the neo-cons couldn’t beat the war drum without Cameron signing up to it? It would have to come out as stated policy eventually, unless as Komodo says, we give hidden support to an Israeli act of war that Iran would just have to tolerate.

  331. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:08 pm

    Komodo,

    This is the one that is interesting and it should be copied:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv1w1jKDy6Q

    I am not going to have to contribute for much of the day today but someone must track these links about Gould that are being pushed to google pages 10 to 16 and more with a simple search Matthew Gould.

    Again, I think the fact that the link are being pushed to later pages on google suggests the intervention og It people because some links can never be erased totally from the web but they can be pushed back on google in order to discourage potential searches.

  332. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:13 pm

    An interesting article on gould at rense.com:
    http://www.rense.com/general88/friends.htm

    Sorry, I said that I am not going to be able to contribute for much of the day, not ‘to have to contribute’

  333. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:16 pm

    Isn’t Peterhouse, Cambridge, a well known spook recruiting ground, and can’t you tell by FCO career trajectory who’s a spooky wookie?
    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2005/sep/06/guardianobituaries.obituaries

  334. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:19 pm

    A facebook page for UK in Israel where Gould answers questions. Down the page there is a wonderful question by Greta Berlin:

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=147023012001796

    Again, it seems that most info on Gould can be found on google past page 10 of the search

  335. craig

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:22 pm

    Tinker

    He’s not a spook.

  336. passerby

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:25 pm

    Sophia,
    Fish out the links and let us know, already on this page under the heading; “British Ambassador to Israel Matthew Gould”. There is a black portion on the screen displaying “no such photos found!”
    ,
    ,
    Craig,
    Proof of the article is in the panic setting in, and web pages getting scrubbed. That pesky chappie Orwell’s memory hole, is never far away, is it?

  337. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:32 pm

    This is the best skeleton on which to build a wikipedia article I’ve come across.
    .
    Career history

    HM Ambassador’s Biography
    Full Name: Matthew Steven Gould
    Date of Birth: 20 Aug 1971
    Married to: Celia Jane Leaberry Gould
    Children: Rachel Elizabeth, born April 2011.
    • September 2010-Present: HM Ambassador, Tel Aviv
    • July 2007-2010: FCO, Principal Private Secretary to the Foreign Secretary
    • April 2007-July 2007: Private Secretary for Foreign Affairs to the Prime Minister
    • 2005-2007: Washington, Foreign and Security Policy Counsellor
    • 2003-2005: Tehran, Deputy Head of Mission
    • 2002-2003: Islamabad, Political Counsellor
    • 1999-2001: FCO, Deputy Head of Consular Division
    • 1997-1999: FCO, Speech Writer to the Foreign Secretary (Robin Cook)
    • 1994-1997: Manila, Second Secretary
    • 1993-1994: FCO, Assistant Desk Officer (NATO/Bosnia), Security Policy Department
    • 1993: Joined FCO

    2
    See also
    • Our Ambassador

    Useful links
    • HMA on Flickr

    http://www.yasni.co.uk/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fukinisrael.fco.gov.uk%2Fen%2Fabout-us%2Four-embassy%2Four-ambassador%2Fcareer-history&name=Celia+Jane&cat=employee&showads=1

  338. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:42 pm

    Lecture at ESRA in oct. 2011 titled “Travels and Travails of a Nice Jewish Boy in the British Foreign Service”

    “The Ambassador kept the audience on the edge of our seats as he described his postings to the Philippines (30 Jewish families and 2 feuding synagogues), Pakistan (where hotels and restaurants used for meetings have since been bombed), and Iran from 2003 until 2005. Ambassador Gould’s eloquence kept us intrigued as he described some of the beautiful sites he visited in Iran, including the tombs of Esther and Mordechai. We tensed up as he described his lack of freedom there (being tailed and wiretapped constantly) and the troubling issue of Iran’s nuclear program.”

    http://www.esra.org.il/esra-audience-was-wowed-british-ambassadors-evening-esra

  339. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:45 pm

    Interview, Jewish Telegraph.

    “You cannot do this job without being a passionate Zionist,” Mr Gould said on a visit to the Jewish Telegraph’s Manchester office.

    “It is like making aliya — without actually making aliya.”

    http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_67.html

  340. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:48 pm

    Mr Gould revealed: “Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing our embassy — and America’s — move to Jerusalem.

    “That, however, would be dependent upon any future peace settlements.”

    http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_67.html

  341. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:49 pm

    Golly gosh. He does have some very high profile appointments there early in his career.
    .
    NATO, Security Policy Department.
    .
    Babysitting a dodgy leftie Foreign Sec.
    .
    Islamabad, Political Counsellor
    .
    Tehran, Deputy Head of Mission
    .
    Washington, Foreign and Security Policy Counsellor
    .
    HM Ambassador, Tel Aviv
    .
    Those are some very heavy duty postings. Someone must be very sure he’s one of us.

  342. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:52 pm

    Eureka!

    Found the wikipedia page heavily edited I suppose. Note that at StPaul’s, they link to people’s wikipedia page except for Gould, they link to the JC article.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Gould

  343. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:54 pm

    Or maybe it’s the new one edited by someone here! Sorry!

  344. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:55 pm

    I have been out of the loop for a few more hours thanks to BT’s ‘upgrading of the servers’ as I was told by a nice Indian lady in their call centre. They obviously choose to do this, affecting London and the whole of the South East*, without any notice. Yet they were able yesterday to send an e-mail advising of large increases in their charges.
    .
    It was particularly annoying and insulting to be given a web page link to their stupid help site on their recorded messages throughout the morning. Yer the message said that there was ‘an issue in viewing web pages’. Do they and their CEO Ian Livingstone raking in £3m pa incidentally take us for complete fools?
    .
    In the interim I was able to watch Brodie Clark in front of the Home Affairs Committee and seeing some Conservative Friends of Israel holding the line for Mrs May and attempting to cut the legs from under Mr Clark who seems to be a honourable man and whom I believe. He is a civil servant of 38 years’ standing, with 15 years in senior posts and with a CBE for his services.
    .
    * Am I being paranoid that this outage has silenced comment at an opportune moment for this government?
    .
    Changes to your BT account
    Your BT account number
    .

    Hello,

    We’re changing our prices. But standard line rental, calls to UK landlines and the cost of our Unlimited Anytime Plan won’t change again until 2013.

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  345. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 12:59 pm

    Yes Sophia. Today. Someone from here with alacrity.
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    Click on View History
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  346. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:03 pm

    ““The Ambassador kept the audience on the edge of our seats as he described ….We tensed up as he described his lack of freedom there (being tailed and wiretapped constantly)….”
    So, not a bit like being a Palestinian, then. He wasn’t shot at.

  347. Scouse Billy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:04 pm

  348. Uccello

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:10 pm

    Hi Craig, keep up the good work. This is explosive stuff. I have quickly become an addict of your blog. It has become essential reading. Can you keep us updated on how many hits you have had or the number of other sites that have re-posted etc. It’s encouraging for the workers! Keeps the morale of the troops up. Hopefully also a boon for you and your moods. Don’t give up, keep fighting the good fight. We need people like you with the ability and sources to shout from the rooftops, it is generally not people’s fault how blind they are to this. Take care.

  349. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:12 pm

    Well done Mary and Sophy. So there was a page? Perhaps it was being updated because it now has a link to Craig’s six meetings instead of two.

  350. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:15 pm

    Gould speaking at haifa uni about Iran’s nuclear program, nov 8th, via association France-Israel, article in French. He refers to the latest IAEA ‘bogus’ report, insists on sanctions as an effective tool to make Iran abandon its nuclear program, and highlight the costly and risky aspect of a war on Iran.

    http://www.france-israel.org/articles.ahd?idart=3234

  351. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:20 pm

    Jon

    Many thanks for the reasoned response.

    I just start from the straightforward position that conflicts are most effectively resolved, or even better avoided, when there is a recognition of the genuine problems and grievances on all sides of the argument. I could just as easily turn around your sentence and say that one cannot condemn the mechanisms of the military-industrial complex that spends our money on expensive bombs that will land on civilians abroad if one doesn’t also condemn the hanging of gay men from lamp-posts in Iran – but I agree either way. I cannot see how ignoring or seeking to invalidate one side of any argument, or not understanding the opposing claims will ever achieve anything constructive.

    Many here accuse me of Zionism and worse – yet they will not find me making a defence or excuses for Deir Yassin, Irgun, the Nabka, Sabra and Chatila, the seizure of land and water rights etc. etc. They all happened and were wrong by any standard. But perhaps my accusers need to recognise that there is a corresponding litany on the Israeli side. There is also absolutely no way other than out and out annihalation of one party by the other that either party will accept that their view has no validity. The consequence of this is that there has to be some compromise and mutual understanding if there is to be any chance of peace and avoiding war.

    The one thing I do know is that any political elite (and actually I think the political elites are split on this one) that wants a war against Iran will not want to beat the drum in the open – they will try to make the case against Iran, and It will sound pretty convincing because it is. The response should not be to ignore Iran’s wrongs – because to do so will only strengthen the elite’s arguments and because they are wrongs – but to come up with alternative ways in which they may be addressed. The approach isn’t one of guile – but really one of commonsense.

    I can see plenty wrong with how we organise our affairs in the West – although I think that the situation cannot be reduced to the formulaic “military industrial complex” so beloved of 196Os and 70s marxist economists. But I do start from the basic “social democratic” position that here in the west we do have some ability to exercise democratic control over our politicians (not perfect – but certainly better than in many parts of the world) and that a regulated market economy is the least worst way we have found of organising our affairs

    Perhaps if the approach to Iraq had been one of dealing with the abuses of Saddam as they arose using international institutions (and yes the West has its share of blame for playing strategic games rather than doing so – but so did Saddam as the perpetrator of 2 invasions, used of wMDs torture etc.) then the last resort of war may have been avoided.

    You are right that politicians as a whole do not issue writs for defamation; but what they will do is use as a reason for not answering the questions of those who defame or entering into a debate on the issues that they raise. Craig is now asking the right questions – but they would have been much more effective if they hadn’t been made laoded by his previous post.

  352. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:22 pm

    Palestinians board an Israeli only designated bus. Livestream on Avaaz.
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/palestine_freedom_riders/?cl=1388917802&v=11131

  353. Herbie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:23 pm

  354. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:23 pm

  355. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:27 pm

    You meant this presumably Herbie. ex Clare Balding’s entry on the Newnham alumni pages. Our Matthew is/was a good networker/fixer.

    I was President in my second
    year. I got elected thanks to the
    help of a friend at Peterhouse
    called Matthew Gould, who
    was the brains behind my
    manifesto; he eventually became
    a speechwriter for the late Robin
    Cook. As it was the summer
    term – ie. exams – it was
    difficult to get people to come
    to hear the debates, but there
    was a good turn-out when the
    Dalai Lama came to speak. He
    was a funny man, a real giggler
    and a very engaging orator.
    One of the motions we debated,
    not surprisingly given my
    interest in sport, was ‘This
    House Believes It’s the Winning,
    Not the Taking Part, That
    Counts’.

  356. JaneGrey

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:28 pm

    Passerby
    I don’t believe there was one. I know people in Wikipedia admin. They see no trace of it having existed. Anyway, I’ve put up a basic article to start.

  357. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:29 pm

    Mary,

    Avaaz is a shadowy organisation with a shadowy agenda. Nobody knows who they are. Palestinians didn’t ask Avaaz to speak in their name but they do it anyway to get a good exposure and a good name. The palestinian cause seems to be serving them more than they serve the Palestinian cause.

  358. Herbie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:31 pm

    Oh dear. Stephen thinks that the military industrial complex is a formula conceived by what he terms 196Os and 70s marxist economists.
    .
    Sorry darlin but you’ll have to thank Eisenhower for that formula.
    .
    Have you any idea who he was and why he might know loads about the matter and want to warn everyone about it?
    .
    No. Thought not.
    .
    Have a wee watchy watch and get back to us when you have a clue:
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

  359. Mary

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:49 pm

    Sophia. Yes I know. Soros funded I think. I have never signed any of their ‘petitions’ or sent them money. I just thought the Livestream was interesting.

  360. passerby

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:50 pm

    The new Gould page has just been set up, the original page sporting his pic has gone down the memory hole.
    ,
    The gulling fact is; Avigdor Lieberman the Israeli minister denied access to intelligence , whilst these dual loyal characters are given unfettered access to policy making circles, without so much as raised eyebrow.
    ,
    The ambassador apologising to a terrorists daughter (Ms. Livni) for detention of her parents, whom were members of Irgun, well the pandering to zionist scum could not be any more obvious, could it?
    ,
    That is whilst the Bicom pimp master Lorna Fitzsimons is reported to have said that: ‘public opinion does not influence foreign policy in Britain. Foreign policy is an elite issue The same luminary then has pontificated Our enemies are going to international courts where we are not supreme.

  361. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 1:54 pm

    Stephen, no problems. We’re in more agreement than you think!
    .
    I am no fan of the Iranian regime, but I think war needs to be avoided, though not at any cost at all. I agree that Iran should not acquire the bomb, but then Hussein willingly complied with weapons inspectors, and look what happened to him. The Western position is fundamentally dishonest: Blair et al will still harp on about “weapons inspectors being kicked out of Iraq” when anyone who knows their lemons knows they were withdrawn in prep for war. I still think several of our leaders belong in the dock at the ICC.
    .
    However we may have to diverge on the military-industrial complex. There is nothing formulaic in taking the view that if one links ones personal financial health (or the economic health of whole countries) to war, then more war is likely to be the result. It’s not necessarily evil in the cartoonish sense of the word – it’s a complex mix of human behaviour and the aggregate of the motivations of a large number of (mainly selfish and greedy) actors – and is actually difficult to stop once it is in place. I thought this it was Carter who coined the phrase, but I’ll defer to Herbie here – Eisenhower sounds about right.
    .
    Sophia – Avaaz seems to be a good organisation with good intentions. It is fully transparent about what it does. What on earth are you talking about?

  362. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:37 pm

    Jon,

    “Avaaz seems to be a good organisation with good intentions”. First, intentions aren’t everything. Second, Avaaz relies on exhibiting these good intentions in order to disseminate misguided information where it matters most for Israel. I would say that Avaaz is first and foremost a disinformation agency. Look at this camapign for Iraq full of biases and contradiction:

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/iraq_new_plan/

  363. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:40 pm

    Herbie

    You may be correct on Eisenhower coining the usage – but I’m afraid I know through many hours combing the works of marxist economists such as Baran and Sweezey that they definitely employed the term as well – and my guess is this may be where Jon gets his analysis from either directly or indirectly.

  364. wendy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:43 pm

    “In the interim I was able to watch Brodie Clark in front of the Home Affairs Committee and seeing some Conservative Friends of Israel holding the line for Mrs May and attempting to cut the legs from under Mr Clark who seems to be a honourable man and whom I believe. He is a civil servant of 38 years’ standing, with 15 years in senior posts and with a CBE for his services.”
    .
    .
    the problem for those committee mps is that brodie has a functioning brain and they dont ..

  365. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 2:50 pm

    Mary

    Hasn’t anyone told you that everyone in the British establishment is connected to everyone else. Just to let you into a secret I share at least one mutual aquaintance with Craig – so does that make Craig a Zionist shill or whatever is your current term of affection.

    PS It was me that turned off BT this morning.

  366. JaneGrey

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:05 pm

    Passerby

    You’re making it up. There was no page with a picture. I bet you. Find its deletion log.

  367. Herbie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:31 pm

    Er, Stephen.
    .
    The point is that one of the foremost American Generals of WWII and after and a subsequent American President for the Republican party initially made the observation about a military industrial complex and warned of its dangers.
    .
    Your attempt to minimise that observation, in your mind by reference to Marxists is shown to be worthless.
    .
    That’s the point
    .
    You’re the only one who seeks to downplay the issue, based on nothing but pure ignorance.
    .
    Yours is nothing but a kneejerk reaction to what you merely assume is lefty. You’re obviousy watching too much television and not studying enough.
    .
    And, it doesn’t matter where Jon gets it from. After Eisenhower everyone who knew what was going on was using the phrase because it accurately describes what’s going on.
    .
    “we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex.” He said, “we recognize the imperative need for this development … the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist … Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
    .
    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Eisenhower

  368. Guava Anxiety Mist

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:37 pm

    Can’t do apostrophes, doesn’t associate MIC with Ike…he is a troll, and a poor one at that.

  369. Sunflower

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:40 pm

  370. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:42 pm

    My moderator at the Guardian replied once more saying:
    .

    Hello again John
    .
    We do indeed have a note reminding readers that the views they see in the comments may not necessarily reflect the views of the Guardian.
    .
    Unfortunately, this does not give the Guardian protection from legal proceedings. The company could still be seen as ‘the publisher’ of the content appearing on the site. I’m sure you can understand why we would therefore need to take a cautious approach to potentially legally-risky comments.
    .
    If you strongly feel that the information you have about Matthew Gould is newsworthy then I would urge you to contact our news desk. Our journalists will then be able to investigate further.
    .
    The contact details for the different editorial departments and desks can be found here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/help/contact-us
    .
    Kind regards
    .
    Adaobi
    Moderator
    .
    to which I responded
    .
    Hello again to you Adaobi,
    .
    While I understand your viewpoint, and that of the Guardian from a legal perspective, it does seem that to remove the link to a serious piece of journalism, and yet leave some inane comments, shows a lack of judgment on your behalf, that is, providing you have carte blanche powers to act on your own as a moderator. It appears all links on Guardian pages to Craig Murray’s blog have been removed.
    .
    My understanding since I was last in touch is that Craig Murray contacted the Guardian offering the article to which a link was made in my comment, and despite there being no legal or factual objection to it as a journalistic article, for some reason it was refused publication (even though many consider it to be in what might be termed the old parlance ‘a scoop’). I realise pressures are brought to bear from outside. But normally the Guardian is bold, or used to be. After all it launched the campaign which brought the Murdochs to task. This is why it is beyond my comprehension that your legal team did not invite Mr Murray to show that his sources were unimpeachable.
    .
    In supplying me with the Guardian contact link are you suggesting that if I got in touch I might meet with a more positive response than Mr Murray received?
    .
    Kind regards
    .
    John Goss

  371. Guava Anxiety Mist

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:54 pm

    John

    If they simply publish the link without actually publishing the content, they won’t be in any legal danger. See if they’ll allow you to post a comment on the lines of: “Here’s an interesting piece by CM about the Fox-Werritty affair and the Ambassador to Israel” with the link.

  372. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 3:59 pm

    “who knew what was going on was using the phrase because it accurately describes what’s going on.”

    Well I don’t think it does – and you and others certainly haven’t supported that view. As they say what can be stated without evidence may be rebutted without evidence. I think that even your side of the argument might recognise that there are other factors at play such as oil to meet consumer demand, ideology, terrorism, Israel – Palestine conflict, the financial sector etc.etc. Happy to debate how modern economies work – but things have moved on since the days of Ike and the marxist economists I referred to. But throw in glib references to MIC then please expect the same in return.

  373. Jimbo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:07 pm

    Good stuf, Mr Murray.

    I’ve posted this to RT & Al Jazeera plus several others. This deserves coverage by the MSM – even if only to say that you’ve made an allegation of a plot.

  374. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:09 pm

    If you wish to play the quote game on MIC – I could of course quote St Noam Chomsky (PBUH) “There is no military-industrial complex: it’s just the industrial system operating under one or another pretext (defense was a pretext for a long time)”

  375. Komodo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:11 pm

    “how modern economies work…” But they don’t work, do they?

  376. johnf

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:13 pm

    komodo

    “Both were born in August. I guess they would have been in the same class, as both were irritatingly brilliant – (Osborne-Magdalen, Gould – Peterhouse,Cambridge)

    Its worth pointing out that the far right Peterhouse College (home of Maurice Cowling, Godfather of Thatcherism and founder of a whole school of rightwing historians) is where The Henry Jackson Society was founded a few years ago – the British outpost of Washington’s neo-conservative and likudnik fans. their first speaker was Richard Perle.

    Trevor Roper did not think that the average Peterhouse student was that bright.

  377. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:23 pm

    Thanks Guava Anxiety Mist. I suspect that they check posts by user names. They almost certainly search for the link string. I can’t see it being up for long.

  378. Herbie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:33 pm

    My main point to you was to suggest that you cannot dismiss the concept and practice of a military industrial complex and the implications of it by dismissive reference to marxists.
    .
    That is what you sought to do and I showed you that someone who knew a lot about such matters from a Conservative position was the first person to raise the matter publicly in a mass sense.
    .
    I’ve achieved that evidentially.
    .
    I’m not here to educate you further, mainly because it would be pointless but also because it’s a waste of my time when there’s so much else more productive to do.
    .
    My feeling is that trolls like you seek to bog genuine people down in long tedious arguments to distract them from more important things.
    .
    Readers can make up their own mind on the matter.
    .
    I’m done with you.

  379. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:35 pm

    Stephen, I’m happy to debate with you. But my reference to the military industrial complex was not “glib”, and it is not helpful to mock people’s admiration of Chomsky either, if you are looking for a respectful debate. I’ve not heard of Baran or Sweezey, nor have I read them, and I sense you intended to imply that “where I get my analysis from” shows I’ve not thought about it myself. I’d rather hoped that my post shows the opposite.
    .
    I’ll drop out of this conversation now.

  380. lisa

    15 Nov, 2011 - 4:49 pm

    It is, some might say, assumed that Iran will not survive the attack that so many see as looming. Given that everybody who wants to know, knows the goal, and the methods, and even the approximate schedule, we may expect the Iranian State to take steps to prevent the success of such an endeavor. Only yesterday they announced via der Spiegle that “every attack” will be “immediately” replied to [in kind?]. It might be plausible to expect Iran to have learned how to defeat an empire – as they were once the super-power and they were “defeated” – they’ve perhaps learned that empires devour themselves after they are stopped. Iran has only to stop the expansion to defeat the empire. That’s what happened at Salamis – can they have forgotten this? Oh! I hope that rational minds prevail! Once begun, the business is fraught with grave risk and dangerous outcomes of an unpredictable nature.

  381. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 5:28 pm

    Craig,

    Contact established with Al-Akhbar English via Angry Arab with request to publish the article. Al Akhbar, Lebanon, is widely read in the Arab world and diaspora. This is a MSM. I Would like to see the faces of pro-zionist Arabs who are pushing for a war on Iran when they see the article!

    Let’s see…

  382. Rocki

    15 Nov, 2011 - 5:50 pm

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2011/11/iran-monitoring-iran-blogs-of-war.html

    Blogs On War the best link to monitor each country, just click on the side bar for updated tweets.

  383. Joe

    15 Nov, 2011 - 5:57 pm

  384. Stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 6:18 pm

    Herbie

    Perhaps you should read what I actually said – the fact that Eisehower used the term/conceived it really is neither here or there to the argument – I just said the argument was beloved of 60s and 70s marxists – which it was. I still don’t think it is valid today just because Eisenhower used the term or Chomsky said it wasn’t relevant. I could write a paper to support why I don’t believe it is valid but I think it would go over your head.

    Jon

    The reference to glib was to Herbie’s comments – I wasn’t intending to debate the issue with you, but just demonstrating that I didn’t agree that the MIC theory was of current relevance. The MIC theory was the bedrock of much development economics and was certainly pushed hard by many marxist economists – and I do think that they may have had more of a point with the former Soviet bloc and Maoist China. Contrary to what Herbie might think – I do actually belive that marxist economists do say a lot that is valid, just not in this case. As for introducing Chomsky, I clearly don’t share your respect, but the reference was just to point out to Herbie that two can play at the names game.

  385. ingo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 7:10 pm

    A very good Idea that Sophia, this stroy seems to be galvanising the MSM into two camps, those who’d rather shit themselves than publish facts and act upon this threat to our foreign policy resolve, and those who have published it and savour the moment seing the Guardian cringe.

    Which of the informed websites and publishers are actually prepared to put vexing questions to our MSM, a very important pressure point?

    BY TOMMORROW THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT THE BRITISH MEDIA HAS BEEN SILENCED BY BICOM AND AIPAC Spooks.

  386. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:00 pm

    Stephen,

    You fail to appreciate in your ‘politically correct’ entreaty that compromise is liberated by mutual trust and true belief, lost in the blink of an eye, can take a lifetime to reestablish or not at all. In the case of a father raping his daughter, a priest sodomizing his pupils, a lover murdering a rival, illegal war-mongers murdering children, rulers killing protestors and a state crushing the lives of another; all these evil deeds are inalienable because life and freedom are sacrosanct. Yet all these acts are committed by the minority and laws exist to punish the few who cause pain or who place almost the entire world in peril from possible war and terrorism.
    .
    Residing in Britain, Israel and the United States this minority are spoilers of all dreams and use falsehoods and media propaganda to gain support from others in their reckless activities, such as increasing settlements in the West Bank, and dividing those who seek reconciliation and peace objectives.
    .
    America’s conflict with Iran and Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians disguises both America and Israel’s problems within their own societies. America is a bankrupt police state while Israel has descrimination, apartheid and religious conflict.
    .
    Considering the present Middle East crisis we witness in the pages of history – fifty years of intensive strife; thirty-three years of Israel occupation of the West Bank; several UN resolutions that have characterized Israel’s occupation as illegal; accords at Cairo, Madrid, Oslo I, Oslo II, and Wye, Maryland that still have not been fulfilled; three million Palestinian refugees and tens of thousands dead and wounded from terrorism and wars. Despite the horrors of the conflicts and their casualties, America and Israel have been deliberately negligent in resolving the Middle East struggle.
    .
    Your attempts to exhort trust and compromise are in reality a continuation of subterfuge, harangue and mumbo jumbo wrapped in a sugar coated shell of mitigation.

  387. Herbie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:03 pm

    For the record, Chomsky isn’t disagreeing with what Eisenhower was saying. Rather he’s taking it further.
    .
    He feels that the terminology “military-industrial” is too limiting in describing a process that applies across the whole corporate sector.
    .
    There’s nothing particularly marxist about these positions as clearly both conservatives and leftists can agree upon them.
    .
    It’s no more controversial than agreeing that it’s raining or that the sun is shining.
    .
    Even neocons would agree with this process since their whole strategy for current domination is based on this process.
    .
    The only disagreement is that some people think this process is a negative development whilst others welcome it.

  388. Frank FitzWalter

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:08 pm

    Another possible publisher for your article, Craig:
    editor@VeteransToday.com – a U.S. site for the men and women who actually do the fighting.
    Interesting that Hague, amongst others, are getting out of their prams about the ’3000′ dead in Syria whilst totally ignoring the estimated 50,000 dead Libyans or the 1.5 million dead Iraqis. And no mention of the warnings against an attack on Iran by Russia. I suspect that China, too, would be unhappy about one of its markets and suppliers of oil being obliterated. The Indian sub-continent will be equally upset when the radioactive dust from the attacks contaminates their country. Bopal revisited.

  389. Frank FitzWalter

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:16 pm

    Two more potential publishing sites, both in the U.S.:
    crooksandliars@gmail.com
    http://www.bollyn.com/feedback this site in particular carries lots of researched material on 9/11 and now, of course, Iran.
    Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they are not out to get you! Best wishes, Craig

  390. BGD

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:20 pm

    Why not send it as a submission to Antiwar.com? They get “85,000 unique visitors per day” submissions need to be sent to the editor : editor@antiwar.com
    .
    You can also tweet them:
    @AntiwarScott
    @Antiwar2
    @AntiwarNews

    Also submit it to
    Voltairenet : http://www.voltairenet.org/email124667.html?lang=en
    GlobalResearch.ca: crgeditor@yahoo.com

    When you think about it, there are many dissident websites globally and media sources but there are very few UK based sites that sit close to the ‘mainstream’.

  391. BGD

    15 Nov, 2011 - 8:25 pm

    RT? A site that is fast developing a global audience of the MSM sceptical

    They might have you on for an interview, now or in the future:

    Planning newsgathering producers
    Fax: +7 495 926-27-61
    E-mail: producers@rttv.ru

  392. stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:14 pm

    Mark

    Even if your analysis were balanced and there were no substance whatsover to the Israeli position as you believe – I fail to see how it would advance the position and actually improve the life of Palestinians. I would also note that South Africans may have been more justified in taking a similar position to yours with regard to apartheid, but fortunately Mandela showed that was not the way to progress matters.

    Herbie

    If you really think that MIC theory is currently widely accepted across the political/economic spectrum could I kindly suggest that you do some reading on the matter from a wider range of sources. I never claimed that the theory was believed solely by marxists – just that it was beloved by marxists in the 60s and 70s (most sensible modern day marxists have moved on btw).

  393. Ken

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:34 pm

    Information clearing house has picked it up on their front page.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

  394. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:50 pm

    I should say – to detractors generally here – that on the Palestinian question there is a good deal of support for ordinary Israeli people on this blog. A peace that satisfies only one people won’t, of course, be a peace at all. However, an accord that works for both sides will not in any shape satisfy the Israeli establishment, which is largely dependent on militarism and violence. Indeed, the Israeli economy is heavily invested in security/military technology, and would struggle to reconfigure itself quickly if a lasting peace breakthrough was suddenly achieved.
    .
    To be fair, I’d not balk at the suggestion that Hamas are hooked on violence as well, though for obvious reasons they’ve not been able to monetise theirs.

  395. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 9:57 pm

    @Herbie, that’s an interesting perspective on getting agreement across the political divide. I’ve found a similar approach useful in discussing current affairs with conservative (Tory-voting) friends of mine. They’re suspicious of the public sector, and have a distaste for union activities, but nevertheless experience a nagging sensation that markets are freer for some people than for others.
    .
    My old socialist/anti-capitalist discursive position was “capitalism isn’t working”, which was pushing people with moderate right-wing views further to the right. Now, it’s “capitalism isn’t working as it should”, and it is pulling right-wing views to the centre, as it well ought. This is helping to persuade on some very moderate points, such as support for the Tobin tax, abolition of tax havens, or CEOs paying at least the same percentage of tax as their secretaries etc.

  396. Julian

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:05 pm

    [Mod/Jon - abusive comments are deleted]

  397. Scouse Billy

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:16 pm

    Funny that both the Indy (pre-modding) and Guardian are not allowing links to this article, yet I’ve posted 3 links on the Telegraph and all are still there.
    .
    Did you approach the Telegraph, Craig?

  398. Dr Brian Robinson

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:39 pm

    http://www.amin.org/articles.php?t=ENews&id=3752
    Uri Avnery (at the Arabic Media Internet Network) ‘[L]et’s be serious for a moment. Israel will not attack Iran. Period. Some may think that I am going out on a limb. Shouldn’t I add at least “probably” or “almost certainly”? No, I won’t. I shall repeat categorically: Israel Will NOT Attack Iran.

    Avnery discusses the immediate results of an invasion by Israel — Straits of Hormuz … Mossad and Shin Bet chiefs opposing the idea of an invasion … Iran about the size of Alaska … nuclear installations widely dispersed … missiles will rain down on Israel which ‘has no adequate defence’ for its towns … ‘prohibitive’ death and destruction on Israel itself … and then ALSO ‘the political price’.

    ‘[A]n Israeli assault on a major Muslim country would instantly unite Sunnis and [Shias], from Egypt and Turkey to Pakistan and beyond. Israel could become a villa in a burning jungle.’

  399. stephen

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:39 pm

    Jon

    “Now, it’s “capitalism isn’t working as it should”, and it is pulling right-wing views to the centre, as it well ought”

    Welcome to social democracy and Keynesianism

    A few weeks back I gave a link to a survey of Israeli public opinion – and it actually demonstrated just your point that the attitudes of the general population were not as hawkish as some might think – although the tendency has been to become more hawkish in recent years. It also showed that the vast majority o fthe popoulation 80%+ rated the risks to their personal security as high or very high. Tackle that and I think you will find that there is a good chance of changing the Israeli establishment – if you don’t think that is possible/worth trying then the future is pretty bleak.

  400. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    15 Nov, 2011 - 10:56 pm

    Stephen,
    To advance the ME position one must understand the reasons for so many failures in the negotiations.
    .
    Israel wants sovereignty over Jerusalem and attachment to Israel of the West Bank settlements that the UN has declared illegal.
    .
    Looking a little deeper we realise Israel also wants control of West Bank aquifers including some arable land and presence along the river border with Jordon. That leaves Gaza, refugee camps, Palestinian cities and arid isolated territories – so little eh?
    .
    Undeniably Palestinians have been dispossessed from a land they previously possessed. My argument is that Israel has approached negotiations from strength, a false potency mostly granted by America and Britain that enables it to lead and act and so has the advantage. The powerless Palestine Authority can only react because the international community has not enforced the previous UN resolutions on Jerusalem and the West Bank occupation and made the contestants adhere to previous peace accord schedules.
    .
    This is living proof of the highly unbalanced ‘balanced’ argument you are keen to galvanise on this board. Palestine needs to be a recognised State so that can protect itself and appeal to world institutions for assistance.
    .
    It is a moral milestone in the social spirit of cooperation that Palestinians have a self-sustaining nation with functioning institutions that provide economic and social programs.
    .
    Then and only then can both parties resolve things like border disputes, water rights, settlement status, refugee situation and the status of Jerusalem. That is exactly what Mandela has proposed and that is exactly key to enhancing, stabilising and giving hope and joy to the Palestinian underdogs who are nothing more than prisoners held in a ghetto.
    .
    Every reasonable human being cannot fail to understand the Palestinian attrition. So how reasonable are you Stephen?

  401. Joe

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:02 pm

    A google search for matthew gould returns your article on the first page. It’s now also ‘immortalised’ on gould’s wikipedia entry.

  402. ingo

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:04 pm

    If Uri Avnery is right Dr.Robinson, why is Israel goading/operating clandestine subs armed to the teeth with tomahawks? right in front of Irans noses, was there some kind of precedent, has Iran send warships to patrol Ghaza’s territorial waters? and what outcry would such hyperthetical move by Iran cause?

    Good to have Julian here, such eloquence, suave vivre, a gentleman though and through, he must have had a sheltered upbringing on Mars.

  403. Jon

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:23 pm

    @Dr. Robinson – I agree that an attack on Iran from Israel rather than the US could well start a conflagration. But, I remember vaguely that Israel carried out a limited bombing against an “axis of evil” country a few years ago and, since reports were sparse in the media, there was not much visible international blowback. So, I am not sure I share Avnery’s confidence, but I hope he is right.

  404. dickerson3870

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:25 pm

    RE: COMMENT BY “MJ” (above), 14th November 2011: “…Israel had already supplied S Africa with the missiles, but the S Africans wanted to get rid of them before the ANC took over. The US took 6 and Thatcher agreed to take the remaining three. Cameron (then a mere researcher) and David Kelly were involved in sorting out the details. To cut a long story short, Britain was double-crossed by a shady arms dealer who sold the missiles on the black market. N Korea detonated one of them a couple of years ago, the other two remain missing.”

    MY COMMENT: This is interesting. Does anyone have a source for this? I will greatly appreciate any additional information anyone can provide. I will check back periodically and do a search for the word “Africa”, so please include the word “Africa” in any information you provide. Thanks.

  405. Herbie

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:27 pm

    Hi Jon
    .
    Yes. Keep up with that approach. Finding consensus on the things we all care about is definitely the way forward.
    .
    The details will no doubt be well argued over after we’ve consigned these unhumanists to another period outside the big tent of international humanity.
    .
    In fact, the next time I hear these contemptible neocons utter that disgusting phrase “the international community” as they fly off to another turkey shoot, I’ll roar back, “What about the INTERNATIONAL HUMANITY”?
    .
    Real Conservatives and Liberals and the British Left have always been concerned about humanity, in a very deep way. That’s something we all share.
    .
    It’s just that the current leaders of the western world no longer share the values of the people they’ve been elected to govern.

  406. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:31 pm

    Dr Brian Robinson,
    .
    You are dangerously wrong and I am being serious. Israel cannot endure, knowing that Iran has the knowledge (and undeclared help from China and Russia) to match its military might. Israel knows that America’s military power would protect her and Mossad and Shin Bet are of course constrained by their charter – deception.
    .
    Russia and China are demonstrably sensitive to world opinion and could pull back from cooperation with Iran should Iran be proven lying or effectively demonized by perfectly executed Western plots.
    .
    Then and only then will a post Iraq war disconnected America authorise such a strike. That is why I frequently post my HUMINT on schemes and cabal, despite ridicule constantly looming on the submit button.

  407. John Goss

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:36 pm

    Jon, it’s a problem. I have written to the Iranian embassy in the past, on matters like the hanging of members of the Bahai faith for practising their religion, and the stoning of women for adultery (it’s like taking a step back to Old Testament times). Please understand I have no love for the Iranian regime. However, as Komodo and others have pointed out, the rights of Palestinians and other Arabs, appear to be virtually non-existent in some Israeli camps. Other Israelis are very much like me and you. I would dearly love to see Arabs and Israelis living side by side in perfect harmony in the Middle East. And yes, the proliferation of nuclear weapons is anathema to me. Except, as I mentioned yesterday somewhere, if the USSR had not developed nuclear weapons I think the US would have continued to use such weapons after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to achieve its ends. Israel, while denying it had a nuclear programme was developing nuclear weapons. Mossad captured and imprisoned for 18 years a journalist who told the truth about this. I find it difficult to support either Iran or Israel when their actions contravene human rights. But to my mind it is quite clear that Zionist/Neocon aims seek some kind of world domination, New World Order, or whatever you want to call it. And that, to my mind, is something we should all try to prevent. Iran does not have the influence on world affairs that Israel has. We have moved from Henry Kissinger’s triangular diplomacy, where country A was played against country B and country B played against country A and country C played against the other two. Today we have a multi-angular, multi-faceted diplomacy where countries throughout the Middle East and Africa are being destabilised by our countries, countries which are supposed to set an example.
    This wine is not the best!

  408. Frank FitzWalter

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:38 pm

    craig’s story is on What Really Happened under the headline Playground Bullying of Palestine and Iran Must Stop. It is mostly an interview with Henry Bellingham MP and Stuart Littlewood and contains a link to Craig’s website.

  409. OldMark

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:43 pm

    Stephen/Herbie

    I think you’ll find that Eisenhower, Paul Baran, Noam Chomsky et al popularised the concept of the MIC, and Eisenhower may indeed have been the first to use that specific formulation. The concept itself however derives from C Wright Mills and his masterwork ‘The Power Elite’, first published in 1956-

    http://www.amazon.com/Power-Elite-C-Wright-Mills/dp/0195133544

  410. Frank FitzWalter

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:47 pm

    Another ‘hit; for you Craig. Your article is on the website Sign of The Times, http://www.sott.net in full, including the photograph.

  411. Sophia

    15 Nov, 2011 - 11:58 pm

    The first ever Birtish ambassador to visit the Jewish agency ‘Europeans for Israel’, Gould “attempted to dispel fears that the UK is moving towards recognizing “Palestine” as an independent state.”

    “Gould said that Hague had not made the Palestinian mission an embassy, nor had he given its members diplomatic immunity. Moreover he had made it clear, said Gould, “that this is not a step towards recognition.”

    Britain shares with the Palestinians the goal of the creation of a Palestinian state, Gould acknowledged, “but the way to achieve this is through negotiations. This is a conflict that can only be solved through a negotiated settlement.”

    ““We need to separate the noise from the reality,” said Gould. There is a growing concern among the British people about some Israeli policies, especially those related to the West Bank and Gaza, he continued, and those who seek to delegitimize Israel hook into that concern.”

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=211377

    He is very protective of Israel. He was frontline to repel calls for academic boycott against Israel and again to change the law that enables British citizen to sue Israeli officials for war crimes. So it does not surprise me that he plots to attack Iran. Israel wants peace with a weakened Palestinian people in order to dictate its terms. Israel never respected a ‘negotiated peace’. A ‘negotiated peace’ for Israel is peace on its own terms. breaking the resistance axis, Iran-Syria-Lebanon is vital for Israel to achieve an unjust peace.

  412. Herbie

    16 Nov, 2011 - 12:34 am

    OldMark
    .
    Thank you for that. I agree entirely that it’s important to trace the genesis of these ideas, in their own right.
    .
    I hope you won’t think me churlish in suggesting that my point to Stephen was solely to indicate to his goodself that the idea was not of marxist manufacture, and a variety of opinions could agree to its veracity without demur.
    .
    I look forward to reading the book. I’ve put it on Stephen’s reading list too. He really does need to stop watching so much television and get some other interests.
    .
    http://www.amazon.com/Power-Elite-C-Wright-Mills/dp/0195133544

  413. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    16 Nov, 2011 - 12:39 am

    I fully agree Sophia and an enlightening post that connects directly with my constant ‘fishing expeditions’ to find the smallest scrap of evidence of a plot to break the Iran-Syria-Lebanon resistance axis. Thank-you.
    .
    Craig has exposed Gould and I owe him another debt of gratitude. A small number of people know why.

  414. glenn

    16 Nov, 2011 - 12:50 am

    Good to see it on ICH (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29713.htm). I sent it to them yesterday, unfortunately not in time for that edition.

  415. Anders

    16 Nov, 2011 - 1:23 am

    Now on http://www.rense.com/

    To the Africa guy, just use google and you will find plenty of hits about these nukes and Cameron and Kelly being involved – Kelly headed Porton Down for many years and knew far too much – including the ethnic bomb virae – thus he was taken care of, with the cover-up continung to this day. Ditto Diana. Ditto Robin Cook. Ditto John Smith, whose unfortunate “heart attack” in the hills left the door wide open for the then nobody Antonia Miranda Blair.

    Work it all out.

  416. Anders

    16 Nov, 2011 - 1:28 am

    Sent to DRUDGE@DRUDGEREPORT.COM

    You never know, I am sending it to hundreds of media outlets, please everyone do the same!

  417. glenn

    16 Nov, 2011 - 1:54 am

    Anders: Christ, please forget that scum-sucking Drudge cesspit of a website. Might as well throw it to the teabaggers at The Blaze as do that. While one might think any support is welcome, the enemies of my enemy and all that, I’d rather keep the filth of the Reicht simply as that – my enemy – and never get in bed with them on any issue.

  418. anno

    16 Nov, 2011 - 2:06 am

    I’ve been away, but have tried to read all the above.
    I suppose Liam Fox became a Tory because he values individual political survival over collective political survival. His personality is to out-think, out-wit and out-of-a-job his political rivals. Being pro-Israel is just a game for these political people, unlike Gould for whom it a passion.
    The smug, ball licking Zionist bankers control the whole world, not just the UK and US . Fox would never depend on the likes of Gould or Werrity as friends, allies or business partners.
    His DNA is the DNA of a slot-eyed reptile, Tyrannasaurus Rex, compared to their little games of Arms dealing and Jewishness.
    Fox is playing Israel’s game, to pretend to hate Iran, for his own devious, foxy reasons, such as proving himself to be tougher and more reliable to Israel than Cameron.
    Most technologically advanced countries have the knowledge and wish for nuclear defensive missiles. If Israel was to bomb all its enemies there wouldn’t be any world left. It’s as normal for countries to have a bomb as it is for us to own a mobile phone. The advantages outweigh the disadvantages, finish.
    Zionism is about Jewish ideas gaining supremacy over the rest of our ideas, and belittling the ideas of peace and justice which currently still exist in Christianity and Islam.
    Fox likes the fascist nature of Zionism in a way that even war criminals like Blair, Brown and Cameron do not.
    So far as I’m concerned, and not for the reasons that Dr Brian Robinson mentions, fear of counter-attack, the plot which Craig has stumbled upon is pure, unadulterated political camouflage by Zionism, to divert us from the launch of their New World Order by picking off weaker countries in the EU. It is a banking controlled World Order, whose agenda is to obliterate freedom as we know it. Shi’a Iran is a quaint corner of deviated Islam and surrogate Westernism. Of all the countries the truth-loathing Liam Fox and Zionism do not need to debilitate, Iran is the one.
    The political skulduggery which Craig’s old-fashioned Tory/ diplomatic friends wanted leaked and which Craig’s keen understanding and huge experience has led to this post, is a sense of foreboding that all is not right in the state of Denmark i.e. the world.
    You get that horrible sense of tension when a wild-life program shows you the snake advancing in slow motion, and the rodent still eating among the leaf-mold.
    We are about to be gobbled by Zionism, and us little mammals of Christianity and Shi’a Islam are somehow invisibly aware of the
    snakes combination of intelligence and sensitive smell glands.

  419. anno

    16 Nov, 2011 - 2:26 am

    By that analogy, yes Iran could be about to be hit militarily, as a piece of Israeli colonialism for their water and oil, before they gain the capability to defend themselves with nuclear weapons. I do not believe this is remotely David Cameron’s agenda.
    We may see something like the deal between the USSR and US about eachother’s violent colonial oppressions, such as Chechnya and South America, to ignore and remain silent about the other’s injustices and state terror. Cameron feasting on Iraq and Libya, while Israeli feasts of Iraq and Iran.

  420. eco

    16 Nov, 2011 - 2:41 am

    Excellent and very informative piece, inevitably attracts trolls but then that’s a sign you’re doing something right.

    Went looking for your piece in the Grauniad but as predicted – not there…or at least i couldn’t find it.

    Did find this which might add a little to the background.

    http://tinyurl.com/74ymzmm

    Keep up the good work.

  421. Mary

    16 Nov, 2011 - 8:23 am

    Similarly, if the mainstream media prides itself on reporting the facts, I have found too many problems with what does or does not get to be a fact — or what rises to the level of a fact they believe to be worth reporting — to be part of such a machine. Going forward, I want to take responsibility for my voice and the facts that I choose and relay. I want them to instigate change.
    .
    Breitbart, Beck and friends are correct in saying I’m more than just a journalist. They are wrong in saying I’m an activist – that means something specific, in my mind. But if by “more” they mean I am a journalist in agreement with those across the country who think “Fuck this shit” when it comes to a system upholding inequality and alienation for all but a few, then they are right. This — and my proclivity for dropping “F-bombs,” once again — is the reason the mainstream media and I have parted ways.
    .
    http://www.salon.com/2011/11/15/why_i_quit_the_mainstream_media/
    Natasha Lennard

  422. Stephen

    16 Nov, 2011 - 9:48 am

    @Herbie
    “I hope you won’t think me churlish in suggesting that my point to Stephen was solely to indicate to his goodself that the idea was not of marxist manufacture, and a variety of opinions could agree to its veracity without demur.”

    If that was what I said – then it would be fine, but it wasn’t what I said.

  423. Stephen

    16 Nov, 2011 - 9:57 am

    I read parts of C Wright Mills many years ago – and it is interesting in the genesis of the idea. However, even if you were to accept the idea then might I suggest that it needs some updating since 1956 as things may have well changed since then. On the other hand some might want to push ideas which are set in aspic.

  424. Anders

    16 Nov, 2011 - 11:12 am

    Totally as expected!!!

    Too much democracy! Embarrassed by the success of e-petitions, senior MPs want to make it harder for YOU to have your say

    They have discussed raising the threshold for the number of signatures needed before e-petitions can be considered for discussion in the House of Commons.
    Comments (140)
    Add to My Stories

  425. Anders

    16 Nov, 2011 - 11:15 am

    I hear what you say about Drudge, half of them are just to annoy the bastards. Have also slipped the link into 3 stories at Guido Fawkes, which IS read by the “great and good”…

  426. Tiwo

    16 Nov, 2011 - 2:42 pm

    Seems the festivities are well under way.

    Report: Iran blames Israel for deadly blast

    Senior Iranian source says deadly explosion at military base outside Tehran that killed 17 people ‘part of covert war against Iran, led by Israel’

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4148322,00.html

    Reverse-denial from Tel-Aviv.

    Iran officials: Israel not behind deadly military base explosion
    Iran parliament speaker Ali Larijani denies press speculation about Israeli involvement in blast near Tehran that killed high-ranking Revolutionary Guard commander, calling it ‘fiction.’

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-officials-israel-not-behind-deadly-military-base-explosion-1.395924?localLinksEnabled=false

  427. OldMark

    16 Nov, 2011 - 2:53 pm

    ‘I read parts of C Wright Mills many years ago – and it is interesting in the genesis of the idea. However, even if you were to accept the idea then might I suggest that it needs some updating since 1956 as things may have well changed since then.’

    Power structure research, as pioneered by C Wright Mills, has for pretty obvious reasons not received as much funding as trendier ‘sexier’ areas such as gender studies, multiculturalism, and the vapid management speak extruded by the likes of Rob Whiteman, now creating havoc at the UK Home Office. A good primer on this phenomenon is here-

    http://www.namebase.org/news03.html

    However C Wright Mills does have a few worthy successors who have updated his insights for the current century, Kevin Phillips, for example. See here-

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kevin_Phillips/Kevin_Phillips_page.html

  428. Rocki

    16 Nov, 2011 - 5:22 pm

    Craig if the Olympics 2012 is to be used as an excuse to invade Iran and a ‘spectacular’ on the agenda I believe I may have found the venue – Royal Artillery Barracks Woolwich.

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2011/11/olympics-2012.html

    No children are allowed to attend firearm displays which means no mums and dads will be present, less civilian damage !

    Goverment already talking missiles and over one thousand FBI agent’s on the ground. A military strike on the barracks in Woolwich placing the blame at the feet of Iran !

  429. Mary

    17 Nov, 2011 - 7:39 am

    More on Israel’s manipulation of the media, this time the American film industry. The word ‘conflict’ is used in this report to describe the Occupation and the resistance against it.
    .
    Hollywood groups visit Israel and PA to learn about conflict
    Actors, directors and studio execs find out the script is complex; group to meet President Shimon Peres today.
    By Ruta Kupfer
    .
    Two delegations from Hollywood are visiting Israel to learn about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, one comprised of actors and another mainly featuring directors.
    .
    Today, both groups will meet with President Shimon Peres. The actors’ delegation is also slated to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the coming days, after having met with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Tuesday
    /…
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/hollywood-groups-visit-israel-and-pa-to-learn-about-conflict-1.395984
    .
    I note the PA stooge Fayyad is involved in the charade.

  430. Rocki

    18 Nov, 2011 - 8:02 am

    Good morning Craig, if you would please take a look at the last five or six links on this blog you will see the ‘nuclear issue’ with Iran is a smoke screen .

    http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/

    I had not realized how far the TAPI and PI gas piplines had come.

    America trying to force Pakistan to go with TAPI leaving Iran out in the cold…If Iran is attacked Pakistan will have no choice but to go with TAPI…Israel of course are on board TAPI..(the reason for the Afghan war to stabilize the country ready for the gas pipline, Russia tried for ten year you may remember !)

    I still believe the Olympics will be the target !

  431. Courtenay Barnett

    19 Nov, 2011 - 9:13 pm

    Quelcrime,

    Point very well made and taken:-

    1. Courtenay
    2. One of the huge ironies of the 20th Century, is the Zionists, as “chosen people” turning round immediate post World War 11 to inflict sustained suffering on another people.
    .
    As soon as the French were liberated from German occupation, they jumped on ships and went off to Vietnam, which had just declared independence after kicking out the Japanese (who had taken over from the French) in order to re-colonise the place.”

  432. SBader

    20 Nov, 2011 - 11:31 pm

    A great read. Not only the article, but the comments too. As an Iranian I feel very isolated and it’s good to see the part of British political attitude which I grew to admire (’62 – ’72)still exists. Very few objectionable comments, all properly replied to. Leaves not much for me to say except to WIZ, “Americans” is not the neocons. Stephen there genuinely is no Iran problem, don’t kid yourself.

    My interest is not religious, G-D needs no defense, absolutely not. Naturally I have a nationalistic interest, but my concern is that at least semblance of genuine democracy which is threatened by an international alliance of groups, not nations. Neocon, zionist blah and etc have no need for democracy, they view it as passe with the demise of socialism.
    Most important, Nuid it can explode!

  433. SBader

    21 Nov, 2011 - 3:41 am

    Wiz, “Americans” is not neocons.
    Stephen, There is no Iran problem. There is a zionist + problem.
    Nuid, They EXPLODE

  434. Philip

    23 Nov, 2011 - 7:04 am

    Matthew Gould’s comments are an incitement to hatred and he should be prosecuted.

  435. blackwatertown

    23 Nov, 2011 - 9:55 pm

    Interesting post – Polo sent me here.

  436. Apostate

    24 Nov, 2011 - 4:22 pm

    Isn’t this the same Craig Murray who insisted not long ago that Attorney General Goldsmith’s ethnicity was entirely irrelevant to his judgement that the war with Iraq was legal?

    Yes, I think so.

    Now calling himself in typically vainglorious fashion a “whistleblower” Murray has in the past branded most anti-Zionists anti-semitic conspiracy theorists.

    Anyone referring to the likelihood that there is a Zionist/British Israel plot to instigate WW3 has been labelled a Nazi on this website.

    Now Murray has stolen our clothes!

    Murray goes on about censorship but regularly censors deviants from the rigid centre left position he himself espouses here.

    Maybe Our Man in Samarkand has now realised he’s got nothing to thank Hollywood and the Zionist media for!

    Waiting for the scissors…………..

  437. Freeborn

    24 Nov, 2011 - 4:41 pm

    The image of Murray trundling through a neighbour’s garden, then cycling, hitching and mini-cabbing to a meeting with his “intermediary” reminded me less of a detective story than of Alex Rider, Anthony Horowitz’s boy-spy.

    Murray never saw through the Wikileaks scam either-entirely overlooking the fact that Assange on his day in court was represented by the Rothschilds’ own lawyer.

    Bit of a give-away that. Like Alex Rider, Murray is liable to give his own name when on espionage missions (LMAO)!

  438. nymphymbal

    24 Nov, 2011 - 4:49 pm

    Did the last speech Matthew Gould wrote for Robin Cook begin:

    “I’m just going to climb Ben Stack mountain………”?

    I doubt it was the speech re-Al Qaeda being a CIA mercenary database.

    Didn’t those Al Qaeda guys turn up in Libya recently?

    Oh, them. They run the post-Gadaffi government don’t they?

  439. Rocki

    26 Nov, 2011 - 8:06 am

    Have just placed this on Stumbleupon…six seconds and eight American stats , lets see how it goes through the day.

  440. Ian Burr

    27 Nov, 2011 - 10:19 pm

    I’m quite willing to accept that, in an ideal world, it would be no bad thing if Iran’s capacity to build nuclear weapons were eliminated. What I can’t believe is that a British government, after the recent disastrous events in Iraq and Afghanistan, could possibly get away with ensuring that by participating in military action. My feeling is that Cameron and Co’s instinct for self-preservation will override any pressure from the Americans on this issue. The USA may or may not have the British government by the balls in terms of our own so called independent nuclear deterrent – but the electors are free to make their own judgments. Better a bit,even a lot,of testicular pain than political oblivion.

    So there are elements in the defence community and the Conservative Party that would like to manoeuvre us into another middle eastern war. So what. I won’t happen, because it can’t. The people won’t let them.

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