by craig on March 13, 2013 6:56 pm in Uncategorized
Please listen to a truly great military hero, Bradley Manning. He has been kept in abusive solitary confinement for a very long time now. He is plainly unbowed and undiminished.
There is another great hero out there too – the whistleblower who leaked the audio recording. Freedom fighters pop up everywhere – that is the great joy of being human.
Mmmm! Lovely smell of fresh air and no need to speed scroll through troll feed.
I agree with you Craig.
Wonder what the new Pope’s position is on the Falkand Islands…
Will listen to Manning tape. Thanks for posting.
Oops Falkland Islands
Oops Malvinas.
I often wonder if Bradley Manning is the bravest man in the US military.
Thanks Craig for posting this. I am going to listen to the recording later on.
I read about it on Medialens. The thread there starts…
Glen Greenwald’s Guardian piece on Bradley Manning’s statement.
Posted by Lala on March 13, 2013, 3:01 am
The most powerful piece I have ever read in the Guardian. To hear Bradley Manning’s voice, a young man courageously confronting a global super power – it can resonate throughout the world and inspire.
I cried.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/bradley-manning-tapes-own-words
Responses
Excuse my typos… it’s late and my brain-engine is running on fumes! NM – Lala Today, 3:04 am
Here is the Ellesburg OpEd in Huff Post Greenwald refers to in his article – MikeD Today, 8:26 am
Re: Here is the Ellesburg OpEd in Huff Post Greenwald refers to in his article – Gloriousrevolution Today, 9:40 am
Hmmm-no reply from Glenn to my comment under his article where I ask – emersberger Today, 11:42 am
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1363143671.html
Yes Craig – thanks from me too – great stuff. Just get fully fir quickly. Agree Guano – nice not to have to go through the motions!
From GG;
“Yesterday, former New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller published a column which, while partially praising Manning’s leaks, insinuated that the claims Manning made in his in-court statement about his motives and actions may be unreliable because they are not found in the logs of the chats in which he engaged with the government informant. That is factually false. As both Nathan Fuller and Greg Mitchell conclusively documented yesterday, Manning’s descriptions match perfectly what he said in those chats when he thought nobody would ever hear what he was saying. That’s what makes Manning’s statements about his motives and thought process so reliable: they not only are consistent with his actions, but with everything he said when he thought he was speaking in private.”
Keller ( Judy Miller in drag?) doubts Mannings motives? Hah !
“The Army said in a statement it has notified the military judge that there was a violation of the “Rules for Court.”
“The U.S. Army is currently reviewing the procedures set in place to safeguard the security and integrity of the legal proceedings, and ensure Pfc. Manning receives a fair and impartial trial,” the statement read.
Ellsberg said he doesn’t know who made the recording or gave it to his group, which raises funds for open-government advocates, including WikiLeaks. The 81-year-old former Pentagon analyst said in a telephone interview from Berkeley, Calif., that a foundation member brought the recording to the group’s directors, who decided after a heated debate to publish it.
He said Manning, who has been locked up for more than 2 1/2 years awaiting trial, deserves to have his voice heard outside the courtroom.
“We thought that it was time for the public to hear his voice for the first time,” Ellsberg said.”
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2013/03/ap-audio-manning-wikileaks-statement-released-031213/
Violation of court rules——heh.
Long live Bradley Manning and may the day when he is a free human being come soon! May the Universe bless him for his right actions and reward him with his rightful Freedom.
noun. a person who tells the people what the government does not want us to know.
See also: Hero, Patriot, Bradley Manning
“similar to a child torturing ants with a magnifying glass”
In the Wolf Philosopher, a pop philosophy book by a philosophy prof who lives with a wolf, the question is asked what is actually evil, and the answer is suggested is that it is being deliberately cruel to those who are weaker than us.
Its a tough question as to whether an intelligent agent should whistle blow just because his conscience tells him / her to. They have a duty, which they have decided to take on. They have to consider if they a cross to carry and if so whether they carry that cross suffering through their silence, or through speaking out and suffering through the obvious public law consequences. Not easy for such people and you have to feel for Private Manning, but at least his voice sounds robust on the tape.
In Belzebub’s Tales to His Grandson chapter 1 there is a nice tale about how the early morning whistle blower at Tiflis station gets his curse in before he blows the whistle, which wakes everyone up – because he knows whats coming his way after he blows.
Conscious is always deliberate while conscience is random. In our universe conscious is the continuum and is quantitative while conscience is the direction right or wrong.
Bradley Manning took the right direction – Bravo.
Thanks for that link,Craig, hope you feel a bit better.
Lets get this out there, let the public know as far as wide as our horizon reaches, what quandary he must have felt before making this decision to publish these cowardly actions of an Ueber Goliath against unarmed civilians, helpers and press reporters carrying camera’s.
Long may he live.
Calling all US-based readers…
If you are appalled at the secrecy with which Bradley Manning’s trial is being conducted, there’s a petition up to get it broadcast on C-SPAN:
The trial of United States v. Pfc. Bradley Manning is expected to begin on June 3, 2013. C-SPAN should be granted access to show the proceedings on television and the Internet, live or with a short delay to appease security concerns. No matter your opinion on this case, the fact remains that it is of very high interest to the public and should be made available for all, not just those who can attend. Bradley Manning is facing life in prison for an “Aiding the Enemy” charge, yet he has been nominated for 3 Nobel Peace Prizes. Being the largest government leak trial in our history, this is a highly controversial case with opinions of Manning ranging from traitor to hero. This would be a great resource for lawyers, law students, journalists, and those with limited access or means of travel.
“Bradley Manning, you are a hero of suffering Afghans!”
Photos and video of rally held in Kabul in support of Bradley Manning:
http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/afghans-rally-for-bradley-manning
Arbed; Those Keller tweets are radical self-parody. But he doesn’t even know how credible his self-condemnation appears.
What are the consequences for him? At least Judith Miller got canned
“Wonder what the new Pope’s position is on the Falkand Islands…”
He appears to have been a fervent supporter of the Junta whose attack on the Malvinas led to the ousting of fascism in Argentina and its establishment in Britain.
A real man and a real patriot. Not those fake TV parroting males who wouldn’t recognise courage if it did commercial breaks.
Yes, a hero. That one word says it all.
I hope he knows how much support he has in the real world.
Ben, 1.22am
Well, the penny seems to have dropped at the New York Times (finally!) what the US prosecutor was getting at when he confirmed that “Yes, Ma’am”, they would still be charging Bradley Manning with ‘aiding the enemy’ if he had gone to the NYT instead of Wikileaks:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/opinion/the-impact-of-the-bradley-manning-case.html
Actually, I mean “they would still be charging Bradley Manning with ‘aiding the enemy’ if the NYT had answered its voicemail”, don’t I? 
Bill Blum wants to know why he wasn’t charged with ‘aiding the enemy’?
Aiding the Enemy?
Osama Bin Laden, Bradley Manning and Me
by WILLIAM BLUM
Bradley Manning has the charge of “Aiding the enemy” hanging over his head. This could lead to a sentence of life in prison. As far as can be deduced, the government believes that the documents and videos that Manning gave to Wikileaks, which Wikileaks then widely distributed to international media, aided the enemy because it put US foreign policy in a very bad light.
Manning’s attorneys have asked the prosecution more than once for specific examples of how “the enemy” (whoever that may refer to in a world full of people bitterly angry at the United States because of any of many terrible acts carried out by the US government) has been “aided” by the Wikileaks disclosures. Just how has the enemy made use of the released material to harm the United States? The government has not provided any such examples, probably because what really bothers Washington officials is the embarrassment they have experienced before the world resulting from the documents and videos; which indeed are highly embarrassing even to genuine war criminals; filled with violations of international law, atrocities, multiple lies to everyone, revelations of gross hypocrisy, and much more.
So our splendid officials are considering putting Bradley Manning in prison forever simply because they’re embarrassed. Hard to find much fault with that.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/13/osama-bin-laden-bradley-manning-and-me/
He’s being ironic there of course.
I think the White House, CIA and Pentagon are guilty of “aiding the enemy” by providing the “enemy” with authentic instances of war crimes that can be used for propaganda purposes.
Bradley Manning is a truly brave man. Thankfully he has stayed strong despite a detention before his hearing of a length that broke the US military code.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/10/bradley-manning-military-code-lawyer
Unfortunately we live in times when all the good laws of the UK and US that were introduced to protect citizens have been abused. People in this country (nearly always Muslims) are held without trial because George W Bush and his advisors, Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell, Jack Straw and others removed a basic tenet of law that has existed for over 600 years in one form or another: habeas corpus. Basically this states that any one held in custody should be brought before the court and be charged or released. Habeas corpus was briefly suspended in England in 1794 and again in 1819(?) for fear the French revolution might spread. During neither of these suspensions was anybody held in custody for even twelve months. There are hundreds now have been in custody for years without charge – virtually everybody in Guantanamo Bay, Babar Ahmad, Talha Ahsan and others – and this abolishment of habeas corpus, for that’s what it seems to be now, was brought about by a so-called “war-on-terror” which was introduced to bring wartime atrocities to peacetime regimes. How regressive have we become?
Bradley Manning is an example to us all.
“Please listen to a truly great military hero, Bradley Manning. He has been kept in abusive solitary confinement for a very long time now. He is plainly unbowed and undiminished.”
How is that possible for a human being to be kept in abusive solitary confinement for so long and remain “plainly undiminished”? Two possibilities come to mind. Either this is an extraordinary show of the greatness of human spirit, or his conditions weren’t what we were told they were.
I know what living solitary for a long time means, especially how it can affect the psyche. I dare say I’ve also shown courage at times. Mahatma Gandhi showed weaknesses in youth as well as in old age; why don’t we see any of this young man’s weaknesses? I choose to take a dim view of the Manning case. The USA are increasingly the world of The Running Man come true. There’s much bleakness and depression, & we are too eager to believe and sunbathe in any good “news.”
Hopeful things you can find in abundance in Latin America. They’re much less likely to come from today’s US prisons.
Radio 4 news last night raised the issue of 100 UK mujahideen who are fighting in Syria against Assad on the same side as the UKUS IS + Russia + China + Europe + Saudi + Qatar. They said that this was the first time that Mujahideen had been fighting on the same side as the West. ( Big Tongue in Cheek by the BTC ).
So what about Yugoslavia, and the CIA’s Al CIAda since then?
The fact is that while Cameron is posturing about sending a couple of crates of stored weapons last used in Yugoslavia by their mujahideen of that time to the FSA, William Hague is sitting down with his counterpart from Russia to invite them to abandon Assad and keep their Mediterranean bases on the side of the winning team. They both know that Russia is arming Assad, and the money is coming with the connivance of the UK, via the Zionist UK banks, directly from Saudi and Qatar.
So the question is, if you were a good Muslim, whose side should you be fighting on, when in effect both sides in this, and all the other Muslim related conflicts since Yugoslavia, are one and the same? i.e. outdated assets of global hegemoney being replaced by fresh assets of global hegemony.
Last week we saw the river bank in Aleppo lined with the bodies of Sunni Muslims who had been arrested on their way to work in Assad controlled areas at checkpoints run by Assad’s forces. But Assad is an asset of UKUSIS +++ and he has faithfully delivered the oil from Kurdistan through his country on behalf of the sponsors of the Iraq war, USUKIS +++. What has going to work in a takeaway stall got to do with being shot in the head and dumped in a river?
It’s simple. If you are a Russian politician, you are controlled by Israel, same if you are a UK or US or a Saudi or a Qatari or an Australian etcetcamen. Israel has calculated that being the poor little victim of the holocaust is not going to keep them in global jobseekersallowance forever. They now need to build an Islamic buffer around them consisting of a type of Islam that mirrors their type of Judaism, secular/orthodox/ultra orthodox.
But what is orthodoxy in religion? It is control/obedience to a set of outward rules that bypass the main meaning of Islam which is to establish justice in society. What is secularism? Freedom to do anything except establish justice in society.
The working men who were shot in the head by the conspiring political minds sitting in London, of Assad/UKUSIS + Russia, China, Europe, Saudi, Qatar, ++++, were going peaceably to earn their living which is a sunnah/requisite of Islam. The shite on all sides who are sponsoring this conflict in the name of Islamic jihad, and the slime who are reporting it in these terms as Islamic jihad are nothing at all to do with Islam.
The real jihad is to fight with weapons, but knowing who your enemies are, and who is paying whom and who is on the side of whom. Syria is full of practising Muslims, mujahideen, from Kurdistan, from Syria, from Saudi, Afghanistan or Libya, and some from the UK, who are fully aware of what the world powers are conspiring. They know their enemy and they will definitely prevail over the cynical bastards who are trying to manipulate them.
They are fighting for the establishment of justice in society by the implementation of Islam.
Thanks for that Craig…Yes there’s Two Hero’s out there now. Hope the new whistle blower doesn’t get caught
The HuffPo is running on this story Too -
As the former general counsel of the New York Times James Goodale once said, “Charging Julian Assange with ‘conspiracy to commit espionage’ would effectively be setting a precedent with a charge that more accurately could be characterized as ‘conspiracy to commit journalism.”
Now there’s a Crazy Truth
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-ellsberg/bradley-manning-military-court-speech_b_2859353.html
Mary has, on thr “cotton corrruption” thread, just informed us all that
“The ADL support the new Pope”.
Didn’t take her long to weave the event of the election of a new Pontiff into one of her standing obsessions, did it. 
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La vita è bella, life is good! (vote for your Anti-Obsession candidate)
Bradley Manning deserves profound respect and admiration. By choosing to defend the value of his actions, he demonstrates immense courage and conviction. It is very heartening to see that during more than two years of deliberately oppressive confinement, his resolve has remained steadfast, confounding the cowardly advocates of secrecy who tried to break his will. Bradley Manning’s testimony offers hope for peace and justice for the whole world. He demonstrates incredible loyalty to the US, to the principles of freedom and justice upon which it was founded and which were enshrined in its constitution.
In contrast, those surrounding him who have tried to break his will, silence him, and make him implicate others, understand only subservience to temporary political and military masters. They should look to the US Constitution for their inspiration rather than US political and military dominance.
Critics of Manning have tried to smear his actions as motivated by immaturity, and isolation due to his sexuality. Manning’s testimony shows them to be utterly wrong. Bradley Manning disclosed information because he was so dedicated to his job of analysing intelligence. Rather than unthinkingly submitting reports of “enemies”, he used his intelligence and the facilities placed at his disposal to understand the information available to him. When his smaller-minded superiors showed that their objective was to dominate Iraq and its people rather than to liberate them, Manning went to higher authority; he knew that as US Services personnel, the US, its people and its constitution outranked his commanding officers, right up to and including the President.
Manning tried to interest the corporate media in the information that he had available. Their (lack of) response clearly demonstrates where their loyalties are placed. Manning was not a government spokesperson nor a senior secret service agent speaking anonymously, so they simply ignored him; in their self-important opinion, Manning was beneath them. Only in Wikileaks did Manning find an organisation that would accept and publish his revelations. The corporate media are hamstrung; they cannot effectively serve the corporate/government system and the people simultaneously. Wikileaks and other such organisations deserve protection under the law. Instead, we see calls for assassination, threats against the Ecuadorian embassy, and a Grand Jury convened against Julian Assange.
It is very telling that those with power are now trying to hide Manning’s testimony from the US population, the authority to whom they are ultimately responsible. Thus, respect and admiration are also due to the unknown person who recorded Bradley Manning’s testimony and made it available to the world at large.
Respect and thanks to all who respect disclosure of the truth.
@Clark, 1.13pm
Hear Hear
It is hard to articulate the respect and humility I am beginning to feel in regard to Bradley Manning.
For what he did, the clear and logical reasons he gives to why he did it, in full knowledge of the risks and potential consequences, and not the least, the dignity he expresses in the face of what he has gone through these last 2 years.
Clark
With you 100%. BTW I haven’t forgotten that you replied to my comments about Assange in a previous thread, but I still didn’t agree with you about Assange’s real motives for publishing what he has. Whether or not his condom was half off or half on or his motives for publishing half-sincere or half-political manipulation – I don’t get the same sense of justice from wikileaks as I get from what Bradley Manning has done and I don’t get the same feeling of injustice by what the authorities have done to JA as to BM.
I believe Aangirfan when he suggests that Obama and Assange are part of the new world order brainwashing system, able to speak from two hearts at the same time.
Great post Clark.
Bravo!
Wouldn’t it be nice if a summarised transcript of Manning’s speech was placed as a full-page advertisement in the New York Times?
Guano @ 2:23
Aangrifan hasn’t written anything about Assange since late 2010. I couldn’t slog through the trash to the end…
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/12/assanges-wikileaks-is-fake.html
But his comments on Satanic Majesty’s Service at Sandy Hook was interesting,,,
Clark @ 1:13
I am much encouraged by the principles and practices of some young people, like Manning and Aaron Scwarz.
I was beginning to think the only true moral structure of character was being reducted to the purest form of narcissim.
Maybe such character is not recognized by the majority, and this is part of the reason why there is not a greater public outcry for Manning’s pardon.
Obama is first a political animal, and heavily regards his polling numbers. He would take a stand if he were forced to by the masses.
I suppose that it is a “good” thing that there is one genuine hero to emerge from the last 10 years of genocide and torture.Bradley Manning should get the Nobel Peace prize but doubtless the Usual Sadistic Assassins will lock him up for as long as it takes to destroy him .
“Via Ryan Grim and Ryan Reilly at Huffington Post, Aaron Swartz’s lawyers have asked the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility to review the conduct of AUSA Stephen Heymann. In their letter to OPR, available here, they allege Heymann withheld evidence and improperly sought to coerce Swartz into a plea deal.”
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/3/13/21474/4122
More bullshit from our legal servants……
Ben,
Aangirfan has to be taken with lots of salt, especially when he talks about Islam.
Maybe Aangirfan will pick up your hint and post again on the subject. December 2010 is not long ago in blogging time. Craig’s main piece about NATO colluding with Uzbekistan over Afganistan dates from April 1st 2010
“Prosecutors have signaled they intend to call a Navy Seal who participated in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in an apparent move to establish that some of the material that Manning leaked wound up in the al-Qaida leader’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.”
“Aiding the enemy” is still their focus. SInce their concern over the leaked statement (Ellsberg) is due to ‘their concern that Manning would have a fair trial, I wonder if Ellsberg might be getting a visit.
I believe they have to prove that Manning intended to ‘aid’ Bin Laden. That’s a horse of a completely different color.
RE BRADLEY MANNING’S FEB 23 STATEMENT etc
As a resource -
Audios, Transcripts, Videos and Links to some key responses on this in this post on Wise Up Action http://wp.me/p1rtyw-1dA with some context on Brad and ten years on from the start of War on Iraq etc.
Mary has, on thr “cotton corrruption” thread, just informed us all that
“The ADL support the new Pope”.
Didn’t take her long to weave the event of the election of a new Pontiff into one of her standing obsessions, did it.
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So why did you think you would repeat it here? Thanks anyway for spreading it wider. This is is the link.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/adl-francis-vatican-pope/2013/03/13/id/494587?s=al&promo_code=12CA2-1
Another interesting link too from Jonathan Cook on Medialens about Hiss the disgraced Israeli chief pathologist who has been sacked by the Israeli government.
Israel: Chief pathologist tapped to replace disgraced Hiss
Posted by The Editors on March 14, 2013, 4:18 pm
Jonathan Cook writes via Facebook:
Remember the row a few years back about the Swedish newspaper that printed the “blood libel” about body parts from Palestinian corpses being harvested by Israel. That controversy managed to overlook entirely the fact that Israel’s long-time chief pathologist, Yehuda Hiss, the man who carried out all post-mortems in Israel for two decades, had a proven history of organ theft.
I tried to write about this aspect of the story at the time but found no newspaper, including the Guardian, would touch it. You can see the original article, from 2009, here:
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2009-09-04/the-missing-link-in-israeli-organ-theft/
Now, it emerges, the authorities have sacked Hiss, more than a decade after he was first discovered to have harvested body parts from at least 125 bodies. In fact, the affair only came to light because the organ theft was carried out on Israeli soldiers, in violation of the wishes of the families, including religious families who believe every blood cell of their loved one must be buried.
What we don’t know but can guess with a degree of certainty is that, if Hiss was so ready to abuse the bodies of Jewish soldiers, he was undoubtedly doing the same to the bodies of Palestinians brought to his laboratory. The difference was that the Palestinian families, unlike the Jewish families, had no ability to hold Hiss accountable.
(Hiss carried out the organ theft, it seems, for what he considered noble reasons: a severe shortage of body parts in Israel meant there were not enough for medical students to practise on.)
The other disturbing aspect to this story is that, although Hiss was first found to have stolen body parts in 2000 (and carried on doing so, by all accounts), he continued as chief pathologist until his recent dismissal.
So not so much a blood libel as a wake-up call Israel has chosen to ignore for many years.
ary writes (quoting me) :
“Mary has, on thr “cotton corrruption” thread, just informed us all that
“The ADL support the new Pope”.
Didn’t take her long to weave the event of the election of a new Pontiff into one of her standing obsessions, did it.
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So why did you think you would repeat it here?”
Answer : to demonstrate again that you are unable to resist venting your anti-Jewish and anti-Israel world-view at every possible opportunity.
I touched a nerve there alright.
That is another lie. I am not anti-Jewish. Anti Zionist occupation of Palestine.
See this by Stuart Littlewood
Dalet (or Plan D) – The conspiracy to steal the land of Palestine
http://www.australiansforpalestine.net/77506
I think you are, Mary, and so would any fair-minded reader who’s followed your contributions over time.
It is one thing to post about what the Israeli government is up to in Palestine and quite another to continually regale us with posts like, for example, “the ADL approves of the new Pope” which have nothing to do with Israel/Palestine.
You’ll be telling us that some of your best friends are Jews next.
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La vita è bella, life is good! (combat hatred and bigotry)
“and so would any fair-minded reader who’s followed your contributions over time.”
Count me out, Hab. Your contributions are becoming more tedious with each entry.
Thanks Mary for this reminder of what fascism can do to people and how these psychological scars hurt and those wronged lash out at those they murdered, divided and denigrated, just as was done to them they do to others.
Havenocock is desperate to deny that Zionists have turned into fascists practising Apartheid against those who live in Palestine. The history revisionist pushing himself on us is merely is living up to his ideals and Ben Gurion, a member of a prescribed terror group, was responsible for hanging British soldiers from barbed wire and being blown out of Hotel windows, so the history revisionists goal here is wasted, whatever platitudes and cross game play he can come up with.
He can’t deny that Yitzak Shamir and Ben Gurion, after failing to smooth talk the Nazi’s into letting them be Hitlers ‘eyes and ears of the third Reich in Palestine, implementing the Nazi’s goals’, and we can see what these were by looking at the Gaza Concentration camp today, started a murderous campaign, in Europe as well as between 1945 and 1948, committing heinous crimes and genocide against Palestines inhabitants, residents who owned land for hundreds of years, the indigenous population.
That was a war crime and the UN is complicit in cover up, ignorance and sheer racism.
You are a fascist apologist and islamophobe to boot, havenocock, however nice you might want to be to people.
Habbabkuk has posted a comment designed to be offensive to Jews, when in personal conversation with an Israeli – and was also simultaneously sock-puppeting:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/palestine/comment-page-2/#comment-384619
I have never seen anything anti-Jewish from Mary. Just a couple of days ago, I saw praise from Mary for a Jewish group who advocate for justice for the Palestinians.
Habbabkuk again proves to be hypocritical. It will say anything so long as it increases tension and conflict.
” ‘It’ will say anything so long as it increases tension and conflict.”
Calling Hab ‘it’ is pretty final, Clark. I agree. He/it has used up all the available oxygen for patience.
Don’t take any comment from Habbabkuk at face value, be it pro or anti Zionism, Islam, or whatever. Habbabkuk displays no honesty. Whatever Habbabkuk says, it is either trying to promote a fight, or it is trying to recruit you as its ally. Any opinion it expresses are merely means unto those ends.
@Habbakuk,
Cut your losses here.
You are now a sinister bullying/psychological boor on this blog.
You’re far too dark and stalkish Habbabkuk,
Please,in the interests of basic decency,leave here.
You are a very dark,sinister and twisted entity here Habbakuk.
Ben Franklin, after a night’s sleep, and reflection upon my own imperfections, I feel that I should qualify my remarks about Habbabkuk. “Habbabkuk” is a mask, and as such deserves no gender. On the next thread, I described Habbabkuk as “vile”, but the person behind Habbabkuk probably isn’t vile; that’s just how they behave here. If /when “Habbabkuk” starts revealing the human personality behind it, I shall start treating it as human. Until then it would be foolish to do so.
Clark, you need carry no sense of regret. None of us here claim to be saints, but Habbakuk does.
He is in fact just a barking dog, of whichever gender it matters not.
Point is he’s a hungry dog and we should all simply starve him. This has been said before by you and many others but it requires consistency. Starve him, as Mary said, leave the RyVita on the shelf, and he’ll stop crapping all over this blog.
Its awfully simple.
“The examples that always spring to my mind are the vast sums spent by Labour govts. in the 1970s on motorcycle workers cooperatives and on car factories in the Midlands and the shipyards on the Clyde (also workers cooperatives in part, I think), but I’m sure there must be more recent examples as well.” – is it the fact that all these have since closed/been sold off that you’re objecting to?
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
14 Mar, 2013 – 8:57 pm
To Mary:
“Answer : to demonstrate again that you are unable to resist venting your anti-Jewish and anti-Israel world-view at every possible opportunity.”
Havababa
You now accuse Mary of being anti-Jewish i.e. anti-Semitic for her criticism of the Israel government and its policies. Such accusations are typical of Zionists and their supporters, like yourself.
I know you don’t like it but one can be anti-Israel, anti-Zionist anti-Jewish-settler without being racist against Jews.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
14 Mar, 2013 – 11:08 pm
To Mary:
“It is one thing to post about what the Israeli government is up to in Palestine and quite another to continually regale us with posts like, for example, “the ADL approves of the new Pope” which have nothing to do with Israel/Palestine.”
The ADL, as I’m sure you know really, is everything to do with Zionism so you can’t seriously say that the organisation has “nothing to do with Israel/Palestine.”
“The ADL, as I’m sure you know really, is everything to do with Zionism so you can’t seriously say that the organisation has “nothing to do with Israel/Palestine.”
@ Scourge :
Let me explain – listen carefully and concentrate.
We were told by Mary that the ADL has expressed support for the new Pontiff.
If that is somehow relevant to the Israeli/Palestian conflict, please explain why and how.
If it is not, then please explain why it was posted.
Thank you.
@ Tchicolour :
“The examples that always spring to my mind are the vast sums spent by Labour govts. in the 1970s on motorcycle workers cooperatives and on car factories in the Midlands and the shipyards on the Clyde (also workers cooperatives in part, I think), but I’m sure there must be more recent examples as well.” – is it the fact that all these have since closed/been sold off that you’re objecting to?
Not objecting to anything. The thought behind some of the other posts was that the money spent on the Falklands referendum and on supporting the inhabitants of the Falklands was/is a waste of money (and could be better spent to worthier purpose). I was merely pointing to examples of very large sums of money spent on other projects which – unlike the Falklands – demonstrably failed in their objectives).
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
15 Mar, 2013 – 3:38 pm
To me:
“We were told by Mary that the ADL has expressed support for the new Pontiff.”
“If that is somehow relevant to the Israeli/Palestian [sic] conflict, please explain why and how.”
Habbabkuk, you are the one that said the ADL has nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict and you know you are wrong.
Mary has not posted anything that could be construed as anti-Jewish but you say:
14 Mar, 2013 – 11:08 pm:
“I think you are [anti-Jewish], Mary, and so would any fair-minded reader who’s followed your contributions over time.”
Back that statement up with quotes from Mary.
I don’t expect that you will come back on that point.
Scourge : you opine
“Habbabkuk, you are the one that said the ADL has nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict”
You have already been outed by another poster as being a selective (and therefore dishonest) quoter. And now you’re at it again.
What I said was that POSTS like “The ADL supports the new Pope” have nothing to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Could you please explain how ADL “support” for the new Pontiff impinges on or affects that conflict?
PS reminder : if it doesn’t, perhaps you could explain why Mary posted her comment?
Thank you.
and it loves to have the last word, as if to make out to those reading this blog, that it is the definitive axcle on this cart.
“The Dirty War”: Allegations directed Against Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio [Pope Francis)
"In 2005, human rights lawyer Myriam Bregman filed a criminal suit against Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the military junta in the 1976 kidnapping of two Jesuit priests."
"Several years later, the survivors of the “Dirty War” openly accused Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of complicity in the kidnapping of priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio as well six members of their parish, (El Mundo, 8 November 2010)."
Picture of Jorge Mario Bergoglio and General Jorge Videla [Argentine dictator]
Good article from Kevin Gosztola, one of the few journalists who has been diligently covering Bradley Manning’s pre-trial hearings from the very beginning.
William Leonard, former head of the Information Security Oversight Office:
“It is as if Lewis Carroll, George Orwell and Franz Kafka were jointly conspiring to form official US policy.”
Good article from Ed Pilkington, who describes the above as being a central issue in the Bradley Manning trial.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/15/us-secrecy-policy-orwell-kafka-security-official
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