Blair and Kanye West are Prostitutes

by craig on September 2, 2013 2:00 pm in Uncategorized

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The Tony Blair House Journal (editor Alan Rusbridger) reports on Kanye West’s disgusting private performance for the Kazakh dictator and his family, and takes a sideswipe at David Cameron for visiting that country.

But peculiarly they fail to mention that Tony Blair receives US $4 million a year as a consultant to the worker murdering Kazakh dictator, and that Alistair Campbell and Jonathon Powell as well as Blair visit to give this support – which has included a behind the scenes campaign to help Nazarbaev win the Nobel Peace Prize, fortunately with no result to date.

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  1. Actually the heading is pretty unfair to prostitutes…

  2. The article reports that Sting refused to appear at the Astana Day festival in 2011 because of human rights’ violations in Kazakhstan. Not the Sting then that performed for Gulnara.

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2010/feb/22/sting-uzbekistan

    There’s hope then for Kanye West becoming politically aware, though money is probably the main driving force behind decisions he makes. Blair and Cameron are beyond help.

  3. There are many Guardian articles strongly critical of Blair for his relations with Nazarbayev. I recall that Nick Cohen’s was particularly forceful.

  4. I was always of the opinion prostitutes provided a useful service

  5. £4m? The Wail thinks it’s £8m…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238071/Kazakhstan-dictator-axes-paper-critical-Blairs-8million-job-adviser.html

    Mandelson of Sewer is in there as well.

    But, hey,
    Model Lara Bingle gets wild on the beach for new swimwear photoshoot (pic of obscure Australian woman displaying mammary glands), so it probably doesn’t matter.

  6. A bit harsh on Rusbridger methinks. He’s a puppet of his masters. At least he has Glenn Greenwald writing one of the biggest exposés this year (century) with the NSA revelations released by Edward Snowden.

  7. Tony Blair can only be catergorised as a limpet enately positioned on a say Sperm Whale that is the current global system.

    I think we ain’t killing this system we have really got send echos through to all parties and get this Whale we have got off the beach and swimming in clear water.

    Who knows we may mate and continue swimming in these great waters!

  8. If I were in the Nazarbaev league, I’d cheerfully cancel the new palace conservatory and pay £3m not to have Kanye West on the same continent. Or any other rapper. Nazarbaev is being ripped off by a posturing talentless tool….fine by me.

  9. Always amusing to see a Murrayista condemning the “Wail” whilst linking to it.

  10. John, yes I noticed that part about Sting. At the time, he rather angrily rejected the notion that he was providing cover for the Karimov regime, but he may well have quietly changed his mind on such things. If so, good for him – it is better to allow people to make dreadful mistakes than to condemn them permanently, imo.

  11. Anon, stop being a pain in the arse. I’ve often linked to the Wail. Shit paper, neanderthal editor, but some very good journalism on occasion. And capable sometimes of acknowledging that all was not for the best in this best of all conservative worlds. I don’t expect you to understand this from your standpoint – namely: “me and my mate* Rubbaduk founts of all wisdom, Murrayistas lefty conspiracy theorists. ”

    If you don’t like Murrayistas (and even I will admit the devotion gets a bit slavish at times) WTF are you doing on Murray’s blog at all?

    *the blue glasses cult?

  12. Komodo “some very good journalism on occasion”. I agree. No paper has so religiously campaigned for an inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly and Miles Goslett’s investigative journalism on that topic has been superb.

  13. Sofia Kibo Noh

    2 Sep, 2013 - 3:32 pm

    The statesman Blair wants us to believe, international action is required to prevent the country from becoming a “breeding ground for extremism….
    What’s to be done to help the Syrian people?
    …we have collectively to understand the consequences of wringing our hands instead of putting them to work… ”
    …contemplate the future consequence of inaction and shudder: Syria mired in carnage between the brutality of Assad and various affiliates of al Qaida*, a breeding ground of extremism infinitely more dangerous than…
    … a nightmare scenario” for the West …
    …I know as one of the architects of policy after 9/11 the controversy, anguish and cost of the decisions taken….
    …the forces that made those interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan so difficult are of course the very forces at the heart of the storm today…
    …they have to be defeated. We should defeat them, however long it takes because otherwise they will not disappear…
    …they will grow stronger until, at a later time, there will be another crossroads and this time there will be no choice…

    Well thanks Tony, Let me get it straight. There’s a job of work to be done in Syria and the only possible tools are bombs and weapons supplies to those he freely admits are affiliates of al Qaida .
    The fact that he’s the one who lied us to war in Iraq doesn’t seem to register with him or the Telegraph. It’s as though we’ve obediently “moved on” and are looking to him to explain to us why we should loyally swallow another killer fishy tale”.
    When he finally is called to answer for his actions, and there’s probably plenty of time since he looks a like healthy enough 60 year old, I do hope he isn’t imprisoned. I think it would be far more appropriate for him to have to do Community service in one of the Iraqi towns that his actions blighted.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10267283/Tony-Blair-military-intervention-in-Syria-vital-to-prevent-breeding-ground-for-extremism.html

    *Not to be bombed I suppose even if it transpires, as seems ever more likely, that it was their gas all along.

  14. Sofia Kibo Noh

    2 Sep, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    Oops!

    Here are some “”"”"”"”

    Add where appropriate.

  15. Was it you Komodo who originally posted this link from the Mail (which was since taken down)? A good piece of journalism. The email exchange from Britam Defence cannot be denied, so the chemical attack on Syria was planned by the US with our complicity all along.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

    These government leaders of the west are just as bad as Karimov and Nazarbayev. I have to live in this country which brings shame on my good name.

  16. Prostitutes sell the only asset they have; their body. bLair and co sell their; conscience, principles, humanity for money they do not need. As seen in the photo bLiar is akin to a grinning gremlin who knows he has messed up yet another chance of a better quality of life for a different group of people, albeit foreign, nonetheless people.

    This gremlin is only happy when he is causing misery, death, and destruction, whilst tea leafing all that is left unattended, and is not screwed down.

  17. Krishnamurky

    2 Sep, 2013 - 3:39 pm

    As this is a “truth” blog, may I raise an issue that baffles me. So how come the Scottish have an overall propensity for truth,etc but the scotch-irish “orangemen” (blair,paisley,mccain,mccormick,etc) have turned out different? Or is it just a specific clan of scot banshees that migrated into Ireland? Or that perception simply has no truth in it?

  18. John – don’t remember if I posted that, but the story appears to have been untrue (It originated at Infowars). The Mail retracted it:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David-Goulding-Philip-Doughty.html

    However, I have to say it would fit my understanding of the circumstances (see mine, Troodos Conundrum, 9.31 am) exactly as well as a regime rocket would.

  19. Just to highlight this: we have collectively to understand the consequences of wringing our hands instead of putting them to work… ”

    Who’s this “we”, then? Unless he’s decided to dispense with them, Blair has a taxpayer-funded security team to ensure that he never gets within a distant whistle of a bullet. And it’s his mouth he works with, not his hands.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7870784/Tony-Blairs-security-team-cost-the-taxpayer-250000-a-year.html

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 4:11 pm

    @ Komodo (talking to Anon)

    “If you don’t like Murrayistas (and even I will admit the devotion gets a bit slavish at times) WTF are you doing on Murray’s blog at all?”
    _____________________

    Well, it could be that Anon finds (at least some of) Craig’s posts interesting but is distressed by some of the nutters, obsessives and West-haters Craig unfortunately seems to attract and so wishes to show the wider readership that there are a few sane posters here as well. He may also – as I am – be attempting to educate some of the said nutters, obsessives and West-haters; a difficult, perhaps even hopeless task but one for the undertaking of which Anon deserves our gratitude.

    ****************

    La vita è bella, life is good! (no bombs yet, no WW3…)

  21. Now let’s be honest. Isn’t envy an important motive behind this hurling of vitriol against people lefties love to hate?

    Some people are born lucky, and by whatever combination of background, talent and work, become wealthy.

    The rest of us – let us be thankful that we don’t live in countries from which people might wish to migrate here, by legal means or otherwise!

  22. La vita è bella, life is good! (no bombs yet, no WW3…)

    I suspect you didn’t notice Obama upgrade the Syrian problem from a humanitarian response to a National Security issue.

  23. “He may also – as I am – be attempting to educate some of the said nutters, obsessives and West-haters; a difficult, perhaps even hopeless task but one for the undertaking of which Anon deserves our gratitude.”

    The only obsessive I’ve seen round here is yourself, Rubbaduck. And all you’re doing is enjoying some kind of mental masturbation. A few facts, or even opinions backed by credible sources, would perhaps change my view of you. Which would be a necessary prerequisite of any actual “education”, it seems to me.

    F’r instance, what, in your superior opinion, would be the best/any solution to the Israeli – Palestinian dispute? Now it could be argued that I am obsessive on this point, and no doubt will be. But is it any less obsessive to evade the question for what must be the 12th – or more- time of asking?

    And when did you last beat your wife?

  24. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    “I suspect you didn’t notice Obama upgrade the Syrian problem from a humanitarian response to a National Security issue.”

    For public consumption, AA. It’s been in the drawer all the time. But they will insist the two are the same. It would be a tragedy if they missed an opportunity to exploit International Law.

  25. Komodo I see the Mail’s apology but it may have been leaned upon by the Zionists the way they leaned upon Hague when he said the Israeli response of killing 1000 civilians and soldiers in retaliation for the death of 6 Israeli soldiers was ‘disproportionate’. The email has a ring of authenticity about it. The apology comes on 18 August for an alleged email of December 25th just before the chemical attack. That was peculiar timing, just 3 days before the attack took place. There’s more to this than meets the eye.

    My guess would be that the Yanks would not have used Britam after Infowars revealed the email, assuming it is genuine. So another defence contractor probably got the dosh. 25th of December seems an odd day to be sending such an email but perhaps the Yanks promised the dosh as a Christmas present. It fits in with the kind of sick world we live in.

  26. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 5:28 pm

    “Indeed, unprecedented weapons distribution started in all opposition camps in Hatay Province on Aug. 21-23. In the Reyhanli area alone, opposition forces received well in excess of 400 tons of weapons, mainly anti-aircraft weaponry from shoulder-fired missiles to ammunition for light-guns and machine guns. The weapons were distributed from storehouses controlled by Qatari and Turkish Intelligence under the tight supervision of U.S. Intelligence.”

    http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/08/28/mounting-evidence-raises-questions-about-syrian-chemical-weapon-attack/

  27. “The only obsessive I’ve seen round here is yourself, Rubbaduck”

    You are joking, right? What with yourself, the self-righteous obsessive poster Mary and various others clogging up the threads with your anti-Western drivel backed up by mountains of copy-and-paste that no one ever reads “credible sources” the only thing Habbabkuk and I obsess about is that the good name of our host is not dragged down by the hardcore of sad obsessives whom he has the misfortune of following him.

    And you have the gall to call for a measured opinion about the best way to achieve a lasting peace in Palestine! Whatever next, Komodo? A discussion about how best to end the conflict in Syria? You’re on the wrong blog, mate. The comments on this blog say, “Israel and its Western puppets are responsible for all evil, to claim anything less makes you a Zionist shill/Hasbara wanker/troll/paid agent of Israel”.

    As for your earlier reply, can we agree that the Daily Mail does “very good journalism” only when a particular article can be used to support your warped anti-Western outlook?

  28. “I see the Mail’s apology but it may have been leaned upon by the Zionists”

    More likely they got it wrong, John.

    “25th of December seems an odd day to be sending such an email but perhaps the Yanks promised the dosh as a Christmas present. It fits in with the kind of sick world we live in.”

    More an indicator of the odd world you live in, John.

  29. The shower of shills instead of criticising decent people who see the picture as it is should settle down and watch this documentary by the late Jewish filmaker Aaron Russo, who could see things as they were.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNeVu8wUak

    Please do not comment on this comment until you have watched all of the documentary, by which time, God-willing, you will be educated.

  30. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 6:01 pm

    More educational TeeVee for the neophytes and adepts (save it for later-quite long, but worth it)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUOHlVYTXo

  31. Educated on what, John? What bearing does the late Jewish filmmaker Aaron Russo’s documentary have on your wild theories of 5:24pm?

  32. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    2 Sep, 2013 - 6:18 pm

    The content of the first sentence is easily applicable to Kazakhstan’s dictator.

    The Disease of Detention
    Julian Assange’s Thousand Days

    by Binoy Kampmark / September 2nd, 2013

    Police states quaffing the blood of victims have an excuse: they wish to oppress in order to justify the status quo, keeping the fires burning, their subjects scared. They deceive because they know that truth is another country. States that possess some constitutional worth, those that front a democratic chamber, elected by an enfranchised electorate prefer more subtle techniques, resorting to indefinite detention, without charge.

    The breakdown of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s confinement for 1000 days reads as a resume on how authorities can dilute legal obligations with corrosive effect. 10 days were spent in solitary confinement in Wandsworth prison; 550 days were spent under house arrest; and 440 days have been spent at the Ecuadorean embassy in London being denied or guaranteed safe passage by the United Kingdom.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/09/the-disease-of-detention/

    PS Why didn’t Craig include another frequent visitor to Kazakhstan, Prince Andrew?

    ‘Mr Kulibayev and Prince Andrew are thought to be good friends. They are said to hunt and play golf together on the prince’s occasional visits to Kazakhstan and even share a taste in women.’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/7782958/Prince-Andrew-and-the-Kazakhstan-connection.html

    Kulibayev is the son in law of Nazarbayev.

  33. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    2 Sep, 2013 - 6:20 pm

    @ 5.44pm ROTFLMAO as they say. :)

  34. Sent to the Blair foundation – c/o the lip server, two faced con artist wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Ci7nNc4B0

    The power of intention guarantees your demise Mr Blair, before the rooster crows…

  35. “You are joking, right? What with yourself, the self-righteous obsessive poster Mary and various others clogging up the threads with your anti-Western drivel backed up by mountains of copy-and-paste that no one ever reads “credible sources” the only thing Habbabkuk and I obsess about is that the good name of our host is not dragged down by the hardcore of sad obsessives whom he has the misfortune of following him.

    Oh, you are obsessing are you, concerned with Craig’s good name, what a shame that your input here is marked by denigration.

    Why can you not contribute some more? to re establish the balance so to speak. But. if you are too busy with beating yourself up, maybe a change of hands will give you the impetus to do something.

  36. “ROTFLMAO as they say.”

    Or rather, “ROTFLMAO” as you say, Mary.

    What makes me “ROTFLMAO” is how you keep coming back having told everyone you’ve left for good!

  37. I used to think that Tory poster of Blair with the red devil eyes was unfair.

  38. Daniel Rich

    2 Sep, 2013 - 7:26 pm

    @ Craig,

    Q: Actually the heading is pretty unfair to prostitutes…

    R: It sure is. I don’t think there’s any scientific evidence as to what would happen if there weren’t any venues for men to unleash their groins’ thrust into the vaginal regions of any such women, but these men [Tony et al] are lost ‘hookers.’ The kind that love to sink their hooks, their dull meat cleavers, into the derailment of true justice. Tony’s the antichrist, the lawyer of Beelzebub in a never ending rerun of ‘Do I have “#$%& News 4 U!’

  39. doug scorgie

    2 Sep, 2013 - 7:32 pm

    John Goss
    2 Sep, 2013 – 3:35 pm

    “The email exchange from Britam Defence cannot be denied, so the chemical attack on Syria was planned by the US with our complicity all along.”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

    John, every time I try that link the article comes up but then disappears before I can read it or copy. It says “Page invalid”

  40. The outing of Blair (from an economic perspective)

    From the ‘closing bell’ CNBC Blair prattles:

    “.. so my view, very strongly here is, playing the blame game continually, on, you know – the banks or – well, in the end we need banks to lend…

    I present for your indulgence, Prof. Jeffrey Sommers on austerity, security at work, declining social cohesion, kindness and respect for the will of the people.

    These words describe the frustration and more importantly the anger of the common people, a resentment and irritation that will soon detonate, transform and flower into a better way forward:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89cDj3CIEB0

    Paramount for the open-minded – essential for the aware.

  41. Do take your pills, Anon, of chop some wood and get that Angst out of you.

  42. Doug at 7.32. It still works for me. Could it have anything to do with where you are based?

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/29/article-2270219-173CAE5E000005DC-457_634x269_popup.jpg

    I’ve tried above just copying the picture link to the email which says:

    “‘Phil… We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
    ‘We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
    ‘They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
    ‘Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
    ‘Kind regards, David.’”

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    Komodo thunders (16h31) as follows:

    “A few facts, or even opinions backed by credible sources, would perhaps change my view of you. Which would be a necessary prerequisite of any actual “education”, it seems to me.

    F’r instance, what, in your superior opinion, would be the best/any solution to the Israeli – Palestinian dispute?”
    ______________________

    I attach, dear Komodo, as little importance to your view of me as my great-great-grandfather would have attached to the views of his valet on the Schleswig-Holstein question.

    For the rest, I believe that Anon has already given your comment the answer it deserves.

    And now go away and find another conspiracy (by the West, of course)

    ______________________

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    @ AlcAnon

    “I suspect you didn’t notice Obama upgrade the Syrian problem from a humanitarian response to a National Security issue.”
    ___________________

    You are correct, but that’s unimportant in the greater scheme of things.

    You must get it into your head that President Obama (if I may use that term, rather than the more popular Obomber) is not going to do anything and – in my opinion – never intended to do anything. This is just talk from a second-term President who doesn’t need to appease anyone. And, for what it’s worth, I believe that David Cameron and George Osborne are very happy that the HoC vote went against him.

    Having said that, I should be happy if anyone were to offer a convincing explanation (I repeat, convincing) of why a failed UK party leader, the failed leader of the Liberals and a not particularly distinguished former Foreign Secretary are barking so loudly. Not that their voice counts for very much of course.

  45. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    @ John Goss

    On a pyrotechnical point of information : could the “showers of shills” be the reason why your thunderbolts so often turn out to be damp squibs?

    Just wonderin’, as Ben might say.

    *******************

    Ma vita è bella, life is good!

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    2 Sep, 2013 - 8:58 pm

    Has bLiar had botox?

  47. “I attach, dear Komodo, as little importance to your view of me as my great-great-grandfather would have attached to the views of his valet on the Schleswig-Holstein question.”

    Enjoy the remains of the day, habby.

  48. Habba,

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/peres-backs-obamas-syria-policy-says-hes-sure-the-us-will-strike

    Peres backs Obama’s Syria policy, says he’s sure the US will strike

    President Shimon Peres told Army Radio that he was “certain that the United States will respond on Syria” for crossing Obama’s self-styled red line and killing what US Secretary of State John Kerry has said were more than 1,400 Syrians with the carefully planned use of sarin gas in attacks on eastern Damascus on August 21.

    Peres defended Obama from criticisms that his eleventh-hour change of heart — opting Saturday to seek approval from Congress for an attack, when he had been planning an immediate strike until the previous day — showed hesitancy or confusion. “Weighing how to proceed is not the same as stuttering,” Peres said in an hour-long Rosh Hashana interview with the radio station. “Better to analyse before the event rather than after it.”

    …In an implied critique of Obama, former foreign minister Avigdor Liberman (Yisrael Beytenu), now the chairman of the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, later Sunday lamented what he called the world’s “unprecedented” inactivity in the face of Assad’s brutality. “One hundred thousand people have been slaughtered in a country called Syria, and the world just keeps talking.” Liberman said numerous players were trying to draw Israel into the Syria conflict and that Israel was well-prepared. “We have all the answers. We know where Damascus, Brussels and Moscow are, and where Beirut’s Dahieh neighborhood (a Hezbollah stronghold) is, too.”

  49. James Mason

    2 Sep, 2013 - 9:10 pm

    The ‘indefinite dentition’ referred to above is a situation of the indivudal’s choice. And the status of ‘without charge’ is because the individual is evading the charge. Denial of safe passage is not a valid assertion in totality. Safe passage cannot be awarded to someone when law requires an arrest. Though I would argue that arrest is not per se a denial of safety when there is no presumption of guilt, only a requirement to answer the charge.

  50. Craig it’s soo good to see the best blog on the web back!

    John Goss – thanks for really intersting posts.

  51. Daniel Rich

    2 Sep, 2013 - 9:33 pm

    @ AlcAnon,

    Q: “We have all the answers. We know where Damascus, Brussels and Moscow are, and where Beirut’s Dahieh neighborhood (a Hezbollah stronghold) is, too.”

    R: The Apartheid’s states most moral army on the planet, also knew where Hezbollah’s TV signals came from [5767 מבצע עופרת יצוקה ], nevertheless, they failed to shut it down.

    Words are just words, on a stage where anybody can be somebody, but in the end, it will be a man’s deeds by which he will be judged [PC version includes women, children, teenagers and transgenders as well].

  52. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    2 Sep, 2013 - 9:34 pm

    Excellent news. People are getting it. Soon the invitations for him to speak will dry up.

    Tony Blair greeted with protests in Thailand over accusations he was due to be paid £400,000 to talk

    •Former prime minister gave speech at peace forum in Bangkok today

    •Protestors retaliated amid claims Thai government offered 2million baht

    •Thai people fear amnesty bill is a ruse to reinstate exiled former premier

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408869/Tony-Blair-causes-Thailand-protests-accusations-paid-400-000-talk.html

  53. i have met mr blair and i am sure he gets very sad by all this gutter sniping.
    why an honest broker is treated like this causes us great offence.
    he lives here he brings in much needed wealth.
    brings a kings ransom into a spent and tired country.his taxes are being used to protect are safety from the terrorists,hospitals and also the unemployed.
    alas this economic failure is camoron and cleggs mess,this ill feeling for a true great british success is rather disturbing.

  54. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    2 Sep, 2013 - 9:46 pm

    Due to changes in tax legislation in 2002 instituted by B.Liar’s Chancellor of the Exchequer, namely Gordon Brown, no tax will be paid by Vodafone on the £84 billion sale of their Verizon Wireless shareholding. How scandalous is that?

    ‘Vodafone says its US stake is owned by a holding company based in the Netherlands, and so will not be liable for tax in Britain. It will pay £3.2bn in tax in the United States.

    Even if the US shareholding were held in the UK, the firm would not be liable to tax on its gains under rules on shares sell-offs introduced by the then Chancellor Gordon Brown in 2002.’

    Vodafone’s £84bn tax avoidance bonanza: Nothing for taxpayers in Verizon deal but bankers share £500m in fees
    Treasury under pressure to review rules as public spending watchdogs claim UK-based phone company has a moral duty to hand over some of its gains to taxpayers

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vodafones-84bn-tax-avoidance-bonanza-nothing-for-taxpayers-in-verizon-deal-but-bankers-share-500m-in-fees-8794169.html

    The usual suspects. http://www.vodafone.com/content/index/about/about_us/board.html

  55. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    2 Sep, 2013 - 9:52 pm

    The whine is now… ‘What makes me “ROTFLMAO” is how you keep coming back having told everyone you’ve left for good!’

    It’s none of your business Anon. Perhaps you could actually impart some useful information or comment here.

  56. Anon “Educated on what, John? What bearing does the late Jewish filmmaker Aaron Russo’s documentary have on your wild theories of 5:24pm?” You commented without watching the documentary. When you have a chip under your skin, instead of on your shoulders, because you wanted to be a slave instead of a free person, you might suddenly realise that the wild theories might have saved you, and who was responsible for your enslavement.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6aa_1357718703#ddxhWiyxRh84y22b.01

  57. Tony is just DESPERATE to have enough money to buy a yacht to call his own one day.

    Did you you know that the evil psychotic murderer Bashar al-Assad has 42,427 likes on Facebook, whilst Tony Blair is not far behind on 41,505.

  58. “i have met mr blair and i am sure he gets very sad by all this gutter sniping.”

    Not as sad as a load of orphans in Iraq.

  59. “i have met mr blair and i am sure he gets very sad by all this gutter sniping.”

    That fuckwit gets sad? The little fucking prick should be the bell of the ball in some fucking jail, for his crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and crimes against decency, honesty and truth.

    If he does not fucking steal our money he brings fuck all back, and whatever he does bring back he can shove up his arse, first let him pay for the fucking Iraq war bill and the banking fuckup, that happened due to his fantastic leadership!

  60. “Debunking the “U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013″”

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/debunking-us-government-assessment-of.html

  61. I suspect “m.mccabee” is in fact an old poster “Tony Roma”, who appears to have switched to a new handle. Here’s a posting history. Best ignored, imo.

  62. O/T

    Here’s hoping Obama gets a little surprise during his visit to Stockholm on Wednesday…

    Today Wikileaks announced that it is filing a lawsuit in Sweden demanding an investigation into illegal FBI/intelligence activities against Wikileaks, and will be filing a further three similar lawsuits in other jurisdictions. There’s an 186-page affidavit by Julian Assange, of which so far they’ve made public the first 50-odd pages (without the appendices):

    http://wikileaks.org/Press-Release-WikiLeaks-Launches.html

    Affidavit:
    Pdf: http://wikileaks.org/IMG/pdf/Swedish_Unlawful_Seizure_Complaint2013.pdf

    Online: http://wikileaks.org/IMG/html/Affidavit_of_Julian_Assange.html

    Only managed a brief skim through as yet, but at the end the affidavit requests Swedish police to use the opportunity of Obama’s visit to question him and/or US Govt officials in his delegation about the illegal intelligence operations. Hah! Now that’s what I call chutzpah.

    There’s also explosive stuff about the Swedish investigation in it. I’ll put the most obvious bit (well, obvious to me after a brief look, anyway) in a separate post on the Why I’m Convinced Anna Ardin is a Liar thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-8/#comment-427251

  63. Sofia Kibo Noh

    2 Sep, 2013 - 10:59 pm

    @Phil. 30 Aug, 2013 – 2:13 pm

    Thanks for the medialens link. “Massacres That Matter Part 2”

    “We ought to find it astonishing that the corporate media can flip direction with such discipline – instantly, like a flock of starlings – between such clearly self-contradictory positions.

    In truth, it takes a minimal capacity for rational thought to see that the corporate ‘free press’ is a structurally irrational and biased, and extremely violent, system of elite propaganda.”

    There follows a detailed deconstruction of UK newspapers news-speak relating to Egypt, Lybia and Syria.

    Some samples here (cut and pasted for the delight of the occupation). It’s easy enough to work out which countries are being referred to:

    …’ousting’ and ‘removal’ of the elected government.

    … described the mass murder in Egypt on August 14 as a ‘tragedy’.

    …killing in Syria is routinely described as a ‘massacre’, but in Egypt often as the less pejorative ‘crackdown’.

    …incontrovertible evidence…

    …stands exposed as an outlaw regime…

    …the legitimacy of Egypt’s interim regime hangs by a thread after yesterday’s killings.

    …Gaddafi’s ‘outlaw regime’ had to be forced ‘out of power’…

    …Egypt’s ‘interim regime’ somehow retained shreds of ‘legitimacy’.

    …it is too soon to give up on progress…

    …humanitarian intervention…

    …success in Libya…

    …or will the sickening fate of these innocent children make you very, very angry…

    …the Obama administration made its displeasure felt yesterday by cancelling joint military exercises. Yet Washington still refuses to call a coup a coup, preferring the influence that goes with $1.3bn annual aid to Egypt’s military.

    …the transition from autocracy to democracy was never going to be easy…

    …the west can’t let Gaddafi destroy his people…

    …It won’t be too long, at this rate, before Benghazi itself is threatened. And be equally clear what will happen when it is: there will be another bloodbath, this time a slaughter of men and women who dared to stand against a vile regime. Who’ll sit comfortably through what will doubtless be dubbed another Srebrenica?

    …a common position which brooks no more argument…

    …because it was a close argument, there should be no point-scoring now…

    …Democracy in Egypt is on the brink of collapse… (Telegraph leader after the coup, and even after the August 14 massacre)

    …if order collapses, or can be maintained only by a state of emergency, then the prospects are bleak for democracy in Egypt…

    …should the West take military action? Alas, ‘we are powerless to intervene’, but using economic levers ‘we must seek to bring pressure to bear where we can…

    …there is next to no doubt that chemical weapons were used in Ghouta in eastern Damascus,. nor is there much doubt about who committed the atrocity….”

    Well worth five minutes to read.

    Habba and Anon, I invite you to discuss the differing language used in these cases. Carry on with your accusations by all means but please give us some reasons for the views you hold.

    Habba, despite your constant , and recently increasingly desperate accusations that most contributors here are a pack of “nutters, obsessives and West-haters”, if you paid attention, you’d notice that what bothers those you attack is simply the barbarity of the actions done daily in the name of the West.

    Anon, how do you expect anyone to respond to your absurd assertion that “…the only thing Habbabkuk and I obsess about is that the good name of our host is not dragged down by the hardcore of sad obsessives…”?

    Please give your reasons for always defending the West but seldom explaining why its policies and actions are justified, humane or legal.

  64. OT.

    “Abe at Ground Zero: the consequences of inaction at Fukushima Daiichi1″

    http://japanfocus.org/-Christopher-Hobson/3991

    “Oliver Stone on Okinawa – The Untold Story”

    http://japanfocus.org/-Jon-Mitchell/3992

  65. “It’s none of your business Anon.”

    It is our business Mary when Flaming June makes a public display and issues shameful threats at the Moderator on Hot August Nights. Also on whether you are at all capable of keeping to your word. Further you earlier announced, with great drama (as if anyone cares) that you weren’t going to change your name till November. In fact i half-expected you to return as ‘Come September’ or something.

  66. If anyone here is a member of the excellent “The Oil Drum” energy website, just a little note that it is now in its last few days if you didn’t know.

    Anyone wanting to say goodbye, the last Drumbeat ever will be posted by Leanan on Wednesday.

    http://www.theoildrum.com/

  67. Sofia, do you really expect to be read? Easier for you to sell me the Evening Standard or something. Learn from Fred on how to make a point (good one on Blair and the Iraq orphans earlier).

    Good night.

  68. Sofia Kibo Noh

    2 Sep, 2013 - 11:33 pm

    @Villager. 11:17 pm

    “Sofia, do you really expect to be read?

    I’d rather you read Medialens rather than my samples. How about we engage on the issue of narrative and how it is manipulated?

    Always good to have your endorsement.

  69. Doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families have confirmed, in rank and file local knowledge, that Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan supplied Saudi militant and battalion leader, Abu Ayesha with tubes and gas bottles filled with dare-say sarin nerve gas with a military grade signature. (Porton Down?) The militants involved confirmed their salaries came from the Saudi government.

    Prince Badar has attempted to blackmail President Putin with threats, oil and money.

    Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

    “Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

    “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

    Nefarious no-good sheik Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al Saud is adept at ransom. SPEAK OUT MI5 we pay your wages!!!!

    Tell the British people the details of the link to Saudi intelligence and how you now conceive that very same link can work the opposite way.

    MI5 – MI5 – MI5 – MI5 – MI5 mutasis mutandis..

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

  70. Re: Prince Bandar bin Sultan

    Both PressTV (Iran) and Debka (Israel) reported him dead last year. Very strange to see DEBKA and PressTV reporting the same story at the same time. Apparently he is alive again according to both now.

  71. Thanks AlcAnon – Dead or Alive eh? ;) – My ‘file’ on Bandar is huge. He would try to extinction – if only he could see me.

  72. Sofia Kibo Noh

    3 Sep, 2013 - 12:01 am

    @Mary.

    It’s great to see you back to your old, informative, link gathering form.

    In fact, I should say, “in better form”. I see you’re even managing more inverted commas, in the right place than me. For one who has so publicly scorned the humble “” that’s impressive!

    No wonder the attack dogs are on your case. Funny how it’s always you, rather than the issues you raise, that gets attacked.

    You’re clearly barking up the right trees. Thanks.

    May you be blessed with a thick (but comely) skin.

    Finally, a special treat for those who don’t like reading my posts. Some pictures of an undefeated people:

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/month-pictures-july-2013/12658

  73. http://www.ablxboston.com/national/14332-the-image-john-kerry-won-t-want-you-to-see-u-s-secretary-of-state-pictured-dining-with-assad-and-his-wife-at-damascus-restaurant-before-war-broke-out-in-syria.html

    The image John Kerry WON’T want you to see

    This astonishing photograph shows U.S Secretary of State John Kerry having a cosy and intimate dinner with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

    Don;t know what all the fuss is about. Have lunch one day. Kill ‘em the next. What’s the problem?

  74. Daniel Rich

    3 Sep, 2013 - 1:31 am

    @ Sofia Kibo Noh,

    A bit off topic – the press, through the ages, has been responsible for a lot of disinformation and lies and through its wording/phrasing always tries to implement something more than they’re actually saying. For example:

    1) Shiite cleric and nationalist firebrand Mutada al-Sadr. In other words, he’s a nutter.

    2) car bomb explodes in Hezbollah stronghold. In other words, it’s a military/terrorist target and not a Lebanese suburb.

    I’ll leave it at that, because the list is [unfortunately] endless.

  75. Drudge Report Poll
    http://drudgereport.com/ (Poll in right column)

    GIVE OBAMA AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT MILITARY OPERATION IN SYRIA?
    YES 8.05% (4,318 votes)

    NO 91.95% (49,354 votes)

    Total Votes: 53,672

  76. Oooh Errr… Queen meeting Assad now top photo on Drudge Report – http://drudgereport.com/

  77. The heading maybe unfair to prostitutes.
    What about “Blair and Kanye West are soulless, venal, avaricious, mercenary, cocksmoking crack whores”

  78. http://my.telegraph.co.uk/debatableopinion/debatableopinion/16/u-s-intelligence-agencies-involved-in-chemical-attack-in-syria/

    Meanwhile, the media has spread new proofs of the U.S. intelligence involvement to chemical attack near Damascus. Hacker got access to U.S. intelligence correspondence and published U.S. Army Col. ANTHONY J. MACDONALD’s mail. Macdonald is General Staff Director, Operations and Plans Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence the Army Staff. It’s about chemical attack in Syria.

    In the message August 22 Eugene Furst congratulates Col. on successful operation and refers him to Wasington Post publication about chemical attack in Syria. From the Anthony’s wife dialog with her friend it’s clear the video with the children killed in the chemical attack near Damascus was staged by U.S. Intelligence.

    Published data indicate Washington is willing to do anything to achieve its goals in the Middle East. Support for the Syrian opposition with political means and weapons hasn’t brought the expected results.

  79. A muddle of images AlcAnon reflects the uncertainty of timing – some say this journey stops at the equinox… nice digging dude.

  80. Quite probably the latest “hacked” emails will be proven “fake”. But it’s out there.

  81. Mark,

    Autumn Equinox is my dad’s birthday. Then mine not long after that.

    Any man-made, natural or supernatural force intending to end my journey before then can go fuck itself.

    :-)

  82. BrianFujisan

    3 Sep, 2013 - 2:14 am

    Great Sluething Alcanon.

    O.T are you certain the missing asteriod is due in on 2nd october

    I get you when you say they don’t want us to know, But something is deffo on ..BIG time …( Solar Activity Aside )

    FEMA has been frantically preparing for a large-scale disaster. Yes, that’s their supposed role, but the uptick in recent activity cannot be ignored, especially in light of the string of warnings bubbling beneath the surface. There’s been a sudden surge in solar flare and EMP warnings as well as cyber threats that have the potential to take down the electric grid in America and around the world.

    Outgoing DHS secretary Janet Napolitano issued grave warnings to her successor that they should expect to deal with a massive cyber attack and/or a natural disaster of unprecedented size and scope. Many alternative researchers believe these warnings and preparations are related to the approaching comet ISON. Regardless of the trigger, there’s enough evidence to suggest that some kind of disaster is approaching.

  83. Brian,

    Surprisingly, despite the press solar activity has actually been anemic for solar max – so far anyway.

    Yes the odd CME has come our way but nothing like what was thrown at us during the last two solar maxes and which did cause real damage. So far anyway…

    I’ve followed everything on Ison. Wonder if it could be a distraction sometimes. Dunno though.

    I keep checking for any updated tracking info on that other mysterious object – nothing so far.

  84. Well AlcAnon according to the legend a current planetary shift is moving consciousness into another dimension, completing the process anytime after the last equinox cycle.

    So your birthdays will without doubt be wonderfully beautiful.

  85. 2+4=6

    :-)

  86. BrianFujisan

    3 Sep, 2013 - 3:11 am

    Cheers AlcAnon.

    I remain worried at whats going on in U.S. area 3..

    need to dig some more .

    off to bed

  87. Krishnamurky

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:13 am

    OT-To gas 1429 and injure 3600 at night over the space of only one hour, over a wide are (they were presumably all sleeping in their homes), would require a MASSIVE barrage of chemical rockets of the kind Kerry mentioned in his “brilliant” speeches, over less than one hour. And all to be done 15km away from UN Inspectors in their Damascus Hotel. Sorry, not just physically possible, the gas chemical was ALREADY on the ground in the rebel held areas. So, “Utter nonsense” said Putin. But we had propagandist Comical Shlomo (its a semitic rivalry, this competition, who is more ludicrous, Comical Ali of Baghdad fame or Comical Shlomo of Mavi Marmara, IDF to Turkish crew “auschwitz” communication fame) Rifkind spinning otherwise, on the floor of the Commons no less, as JIC Chairman. With a very cunning get out clause (“I was misled”), a secret “telephone intercept” by a friendly intelligence agency that cannot be divulged to the public, that confirmed the YouTube evidence JIC saw (BTW-George Lucas is looking for the video editor who rushed out the YouTube clips in such record time, Putin will probably give a private showing of this evidence which the Russians have, at the G20 Summit – and watch out which leaders have the glum faces then!).

    And it has been interesting then to see Cameron dodge the MP requesting the “intercept” information instead be divulged specifically to security vetted MPs (seeing as Rifkind was unable to divulge to the general public). Really, the devils are all in it together.

  88. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 7:57 am

    What is that behind B.Liar’s head in the photo? Ectoplasm?

  89. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 8:10 am

    Thanks Sofia. I had a nasty bout of illness in the middle of August (it started on my birthday!) so I gave it a bit of rest here after some of the nonsense in the multiple comment pages on the Belfast thread. I see that it is still open and that Villager has been testing it.

    At the moment, I find it difficult to see or hear the ‘news’ ie propaganda for more war coming out from the corporate media.

    Villager Have you not heard that it is a woman’s right to change her mind? I was fed up with the ‘flaming’ handle anyway and it seemed to inflame you and others. You know the reasons for the change. Get used to it and stop your petty obsessing.

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    3 Sep, 2013 - 8:37 am

    @ Mod/Jon

    I notice you think that Mccabee is Tony Roma, which prompts me to ask you whether you ever found out who misappropriated my handle a few days ago? One of the regulars?

  91. Did you watch the documentary Anon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNeVu8wUak

    I know you don’t mind commenting from a position of ignorance. But I urge you to educate yourself. What is one hour and three quarters if it can give you an insight in to world affairs, something you and the other shills need more than anything.

  92. And you have the gall to call for a measured opinion about the best way to achieve a lasting peace in Palestine! Whatever next, Komodo? A discussion about how best to end the conflict in Syria? You’re on the wrong blog, mate. The comments on this blog say, “Israel and its Western puppets are responsible for all evil, to claim anything less makes you a Zionist shill/Hasbara wanker/troll/paid agent of Israel”.

    Transference. Your chum/clone Rubbaduk has evaded this question for some time. It was originally asked by Doug Scorgie. His inability to provide opinions of his own, backed by anything more convincing than florid English, confirms that he has only one objective here – intentionally to disrupt discussion and to irritate posters. His reluctance to answer one single question regarding his own opinion invalidates any claim he may have to interrogate anyone else, which he tries to do all the time. Interesting to see your mutual defence, though.

    As for your earlier reply, can we agree that the Daily Mail does “very good journalism” only when a particular article can be used to support your warped anti-Western outlook?

    No. I don’t think we can agree on anything, do you? Seriously? Now run along and find a neocon website on which you can be as daringly radical with other peoples’ lives as you like.
    Tool.

  93. @John Goss

    Not having an hour and three quarters to spare I settled for reading a review.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/movies/31russ.html?_r=0

  94. Meanwhile, back at the topic….

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/02/ministers-face-questions-chemicals-syria

    Interesting one, this. Sodium and potassium fluoride can be feedstocks for any fluorine-based chemical, including Teflon. They are on the list of compounds not for sale to Syria, not because they are CW precursors, but under the general embargo of manufacturing supplies.

  95. Sofia Kibo Noh

    3 Sep, 2013 - 9:14 am

    @AlcAnon. 1 48am

    Thanks.

    http://my.telegraph.co.uk/debatableopinion/debatableopinion/16/u-s-intelligence-agencies-involved-in-chemical-attack-in-syria/

    “…new proofs of the U.S. intelligence involvement to chemical attack near Damascus…”

    @Daniel Rich. 1 31am

    Yes, ”…the press, through the ages, has been responsible for a lot of disinformation and lies and through its wording/phrasing always tries to implement something more than they’re actually saying.

    I’ll leave it at that, because the list is [unfortunately] endless.”

    The lives, society and home place of millions of Syrians now hang on the ability of a bunch of proven liars to convince the world of yet another false narrative.

    The constant efforts of the corporate media to mold the inner landscape of the millions of people, whose support or acquiessence is required for these latest episodes of Crusading to continue, is well set out in “Newspeak”. In the book the editors of Medialens describe with great clarity the ways the MSM have shaped the perceptions of people in the UK over the last few years.

    There are funny moments when they show the reader the furious responses they have received from editors for their polite, but critical questioning.

    ”… the list is [unfortunately] endless.”

    My long post of 10 59pm yesterday certainly slipped into that territory. This was in response to the accusation of cutting and posting that oozed from Habba regarding the antics of posters here who bother him.

    Staying with the theme of lists, it would be an interesting exercise to list those key-words and phrases implanted in us all through constant repetition which evoke an instant association.

    I’ll kick off with my favourite one…..”Palestinian”

    Take your pick out of,” militant”, “gunman” and “terrorist”.

    I must go. Stuff to be out there.

    Maybe when I return the enforcers will have engaged on the issue of false narratives rather than perceived personal failings. I’m not holding my breath.

  96. Halibabacus (la vita in culo)

    somewhat amazed by your statement “I attach, dear Komodo, as little importance to your view of me as my great-great-grandfather would have attached to the views of his valet on the Schleswig-Holstein question.” Are you certain that you did not get it wrong? From your confused contributions (bad genes, I presume) to this blog make it more likely that your gggfather was a valet rather than he had one. Not knowing how old you are and how quickly your family breed but unless is it on average 14 years per generation, I have some doubts that your gggfather could have lived then or be interested in what you call Schleswig-Holstein question as the state you mentioned did not exist in 19th century. Can you please educate us what the “Schleswig-Holstein question” actually is. We would all love to know.

  97. “Nazarbaev, Cuddly Bunny,”

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazarbayev-Making-Kazakhstan-Communism-Capitalism/dp/1441153810

    …by his jailbird-for Jesus friend Jonathan Aitken. Who said:

    If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it.

    shortly before being proved in open court to be a liar and being charged with perjury.

    With friends like these, eh?

  98. @ Komodo 3 Sep, 2013 – 9:19 am “Mission creep, already:”

    News from Next Year: “My fellow Americans. I’ve dispatched 50,000 advisors to Syria. As promised, there will be no boots on the ground. As Commander in Chief I’ve ordered all troops shod in flip-flops, fashionable Jesus sandals or Birkenstocks.”

    The DM has abandoned their post as propagandist. The gassed children didn’t work; those Napalmed didn’t work; and after a last attempt at starving kids their readers told them to stuff it. All Syria stories are now below-the-fold; on the web page designated by a kangaroo/dog video.

  99. Turkey finds sarin gas in homes of suspected Syrian Islamists

    Published time: May 30, 2013

    http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

  100. The review you read Fred was a banking/government attempt to make valid what is not valid. The bankers own the media, including the NY Times. Watch the film you will see that, despite what the NY Times article suggests, the 16th amendment was never ratified by the Supreme Court and is not part of the US constitution. Only the likes of profits can be constitutionally taxed. Reading an article instead of watching the proof shows the level of shill interest in disruption on this blog rather than the presentation of fact. Also there was a lot more to the documentary than whether US citizens should constitutionally pay tax on their wages. The article was ill-argued.

  101. Breaking

    Russia’s early radars detect launch of two ballistic rockets in Mediterranean – Defense Ministry

    http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eastern-mediterranean-343/

  102. Think the Torygraph’s got it too, Dre, but site is clogged atm. Six (+) missiles, Scuds fired at rebels apparently. Use ‘em or lose ‘em, no doubt. And maybe CW, since everyone thinks Assad used them anyway.

  103. Dreolin, does not sound good. Is it an exercise?

  104. Hi John,

    I just caught the end of Tim Marshall on Sky saying that the US ships have to keep active and in practise, so to speak. But he admitted he was guessing.

  105. Thanks for the great digging Alc anon, looks like their arguments are crumbling.
    Pictures of attacks faked, chemical weapons supplied by the Saudi’s, now MP’s are asking questions and their card houses are falling.

    Our resident it seems more interested as to who is who on here, hallo Tony Roma, then with providing anything of substance.

    Those baffled by his latest missive on the Schleswig Holstein question, don’t be, he has about as much understanding of that question as a City banker has of ethical trading.

  106. @John Goss

    The film maker says that the 16th Amendment was never ratified, however every American court which has been asked to rule on the matter say that it was.

    It’s just a matter of which you choose to believe.

  107. “The trajectory of the missiles is reported to have been from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea towards the eastern landmass.

    “The Syrian embassy in Moscow currently has no information on the incident.

    “Armavir, an early warning system against missile attack, is situated in southern Russia. It is run by the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces. They provide radar coverage of the Middle East. There are two radars there, with one of them facing southwest and the other southeast.”

    http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eastern-mediterranean-343/

  108. Could these missile come from a submarine? Could it be that Israel has test fired a missile to check whether their German built Dolphin class subs can actually perform the CBM properties promised…..

  109. Let’s hope it is no more than sabre-rattling Dreolin but good to know that the Russians are monitoring the situation. They could have decided to go for it since that was the plan in the first place before they were outed as the perpetrators of chemical attacks as an excuse to steal the gas and other resources. We know what it is all about.

    Prepare for a blackout of internet, phones and electric grids. Then wake up to a new world.

  110. Tweet from RT

    DEVELOPING: NATO is checking reports of missile rockets’ launch in Mediterranean; via @ITARTASS_news

  111. Tried to read @ITARTASS_news but it’s in Russian

  112. RT tweets

    BREAKING UPDATE: Missiles detected by Russian radars in Mediterranean landed in sea – source; via @ria_novosti

    “Exercises”?

  113. “The launch reportedly took place at 06:16 GMT Tuesday.”
    http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eastern-mediterranean-343/

    Didn’t it take a long time for us to get wind of them?

  114. “Exercises”?

    I expect America didn’t know if the Syrian radar was capable of detecting their missiles or not.

    They know now.

  115. BREAKING UPDATE: US denies reports of Mediterranean missile launch as rockets fall into sea

    DEVELOPING: French Ministry of Defense says they don’t have data on missile rockets launch in Mediterranean

    MORE: UK Ministry of Defense say they are aware of rocket launches in Mediterranean but took no part in the incident

    Good question, Nevermind. Was it the Israelis?

  116. Peacock dance and trial balloons.

    Al Qaeda’s conspiracy theory is that Obama is getting ready to bomb them/Al Nusrah. I wouldn’t say thats beyond him.

  117. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/03/us-syria-crisis-missiles-israel-idUSBRE9820BF20130903

    Israelis: no knowledge of ballistic launch. Denials all round. If it was fired from the central Med, and if it was ballistic, and not a cruise missile (which isn’t ballistic), that would have to be quite a large missile. ‘Trial balloons’ sounds likely.

  118. Might just be the Russians telling the world that Armavir’s radar is watching…

  119. “Regardless of the trigger, there’s enough evidence to suggest that some kind of disaster is approaching.”

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/03/pers-s03.html

  120. “Amid tensions in the region, Israel and the U.S. carried out a missile test in the Mediterranean sea on Tuesday, Israel’s Defense Ministry said in a statement. The confirmation came after reports that Russia had detected two ballistic “objects” launched toward the eastern Mediterranean on Tuesday morning.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.545100

  121. Wonder if they thought they wouldn’t be noticed? Getting both the target and the AM looks like pretty good going for a radar at the north end of the Black Sea.

  122. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    The lust and the drive for war. They just cannot wait.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/03/russia-missiles-mediterranean-syria/2756767/ 12.11pm our time.

  123. The more missiles they lob in the Med, the more it’ll be off the MSM radar

  124. Komodo -

    au contraire – i’m sure israel wanted to be noticed. since the arab countries stood up against the gulf states & their western masters, israel’s media on the matter would suggest they are panic-ing they won’t get their war on.

    of all the MSM, only aljaz (surprisingly) & cbc even listed the countries that blocked the planned resolution which would have otherwise called for immediate military intervention, & even they spun the headlines:

    Aljazeera: Arab League urges UN-backed action in Syria
    However, some influential members of the League, including Egypt, Iraq,
    Lebanon, Tunisia and Algeria, have expressed opposition to foreign military
    intervention.
    Egypt’s foreign minister on Sunday said that his nation objected to “any
    aggression in Syria”.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/09/20139118235327617.html

    CBC: Arab League calls for international measures against Syria
    Despite a strong call to action by the League, some Arab countries such as
    Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Tunisia and Algeria remained opposed to the final
    decision to call for foreign military action…
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2013/09/01/world-hollande-france-obama-us-syria.html

  125. Hmmm, I wonder what would have happened had the Russians not detected the missile launches. Probably somewhere on the continuum of (1) nothing – it was a genuine test which wouldn’t have been reported and (2) Israel’s Arrow system shot down a missile lobbed at them by the dastardly Assad, said missile no doubt armed with a chemical warhead.

    Oh, and another defector with the goods …

    Hasan Sari @HasanSari7
    SkyNews: Head of forensic team in Aleppo Abdul Tawab Shahrour defected, has documents&evidence on Assad striking Khan Al Asal with CW.
    11:09 AM – 3 Sep 2013

  126. Washington Post
    “Obama’s outreach to Congress on Syria stirs call for Hollande to consult French Parliament

    Hollande does not need to call a vote until four months after any intervention has started, and he has, thus far, rejected one prior to any strike.”

    70% plus of The French People are against an attack…

  127. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 12:52 pm

    How your MP voted last Thursday on the Syria votes.

    http://thebackbencher.co.uk/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-syria-find-out-here/

  128. Abdul Tawab Sharour (seePykrete, 12.42 and Sky News) – did he jump or was he pushed?

    Ans. He was pushed. He’s been in rebel hands since 19th Aug, and has perhaps experienced electrodes to the genitals a change of heart:

    http://www.syriadirect.org/sas/12-news-roundup/714-syria-direct-news-update-8-19-2013

  129. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 12:57 pm

    The BBC are downplaying the Israeli missile launch(es). They have this breaking news link but that takes you to their article on the refugee crisis.

    LATEST:Israel has conducted a missile test over the Mediterranean, a senior Ministry of Defence source tells BBC

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23937972 which contains;
    ‘Tensions remain high in Syria and the surrounding region.

    Russia said on Tuesday that it had detected two ballistic missiles being launched towards the eastern Mediterranean coastline, sparking speculation of a connection to the Syria crisis. But Israel later confirmed that it was a joint US-Israel missile test.’

  130. President Bashar al-Assad’s interview with Le Figaro
    http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/09/03/500561.htm

  131. in sase the SANA link no longer has the Assad interview (it just disappeared on me), here is another link:

    http://www.syriaonline.sy/?f=Details&catid=12&pageid=7073

  132. how perfectly timed for SKY to have the “perfect” defector!

    NYT still beating the war drums as bad as the Beeb – damn the MSM – with a retired admiral,who was the supreme allied commander, Europe, for NATO from 2009 to 2013:

    NATO Must Help Obama on Syria
    By JAMES G. STAVRIDIS
    Perhaps the closest analog is not Libya in 2011 (cited by many) but rather the Balkans in the mid- to late 1990s. In Kosovo and in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the situation on the ground was chaotic, more than a 100,000 people were killed, and millions were pushed across borders — all in the context of the permanent partition of the former Yugoslavia into (at least initially) warring parts. It looked a lot like Syria, albeit without weapons of mass destruction
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/03/opinion/nato-must-help-obama-on-syria.html?_r=0

    reminder –
    Hurriyet: Turkish PM says limited action against Syria won’t be enough, calls for Kosovo-like intervention
    Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has said the U.S. statement on a “limited” military action against Syria will not be enough to satisfy Ankara, pleading for an intervention similar to the one in Kosovo in 1999.
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pm-says-limited-action-against-syria-wont-be-enough-calls-for-kosovo-like-intervention.aspx?pageID=238&nID=53586&NewsCatID=338

  133. Thanks, Oddie. Noticed his frequent references to Qatar, there. Here’s some background to that:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/world/middleeast/sending-missiles-to-syrian-rebels-qatar-muscles-in.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    Though it’s likely that US-Qatari relations aren’t quite as distant as the article suggests.

  134. It’s not April 1st is it?

    Bahrain to host pan-Arab human rights court

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/09/20139219939454621.html

  135. Some 19 hrs. ago, Iran issued this propaganda piece, they could not have foreseen how close we are to a third world flagration.

    It will deny it and see no risk here, move on there is nothing to see here.
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/iran-thousands-of-missiles-to-rain-on-israel/

    And this news, from April this year, might have, in parts,led to and encouraged Israel to take the first step and test fire a missile in times of heightened tension, a euphemism for we are ready to go to war.

    If it was fired from a US vessel to test the Israeli air defences, why does it say ‘Israel has fired a test missile?’ Was it fired from one of its subs and the US just added to make it acceptable?

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-test-fires-three-new-missile-types/

    But lets wait and see, this is not it yet. That said infiltration and marking of targets is most likely already on the way. The USS Nimitz, a heavy hitter is on its way to the eastern Med., an assurance for the already assembled.
    Can’t see that this can be reversed any longer and we can call the so called peace talks with Palestinians ‘eaten by war’, like so many times before.

    Soon we will hear that 7 million refugees, half of them children, will make it inevitable to turn back from the brink.

    It is to be seen what China and Russia will do next, China has yet to respond to this kind of premature ejaculation ‘exercise’.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2013-09/03/content_16939722.htm

  136. obama-loving MSNBC hysterically discussing Syria. MSNBC host & MSNBC exec director on the panel manage to mention Kosovo 3 times; only one panellist, Hillary Mann Leverett, makes any sense. also the obligatory we have to deal with Syria for our allies, Israel & Turkey. LOL:

    Youtube: I LOVE Watching MIC Presstitutes Get SMACKED DOWN By A Real Journalist :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4k80kqM3X4

  137. Another of Humanities cradles about to be ground into the sand, the ancient historic places finished off after the rebels and opposition helped themselves to artefacts or destroyed what they could not possibly understand in their hate filled brains.

    Wrath on you prince Bandar, son of sheep herders, for supplying arms and money to this rabble, may your soul burn slowly in hell.

    To the sound of aircraft above here and now,
    eager and thirsty for more blood
    the grand plan is being followed through,
    wake up there’s more to it than Syria and Iran, some dreamers think of world control, chaos and division over what is not theirs,
    what value life when there are so many of us?

  138. Komodo -

    Mark Landler was the main writer of your NYT piece – the other writer is just out of uni basically. here’s Landler again – alongside heavyweight Michael Gordon – suggesting Kosovo. mind u, the Kosovo stuff is all ANONYMOUS, so the idea is more likely coming from the puppet masters who are spreading the Kosovo meme:

    23 August – Air War in Kosovo Seen as Precedent in Possible Response to Syria Chemical Attack
    By MARK LANDLER and MICHAEL R. GORDON
    Kosovo is an obvious precedent for Mr. Obama because, as in Syria, civilians were killed and Russia had longstanding ties to the government authorities accused of the abuses. In 1999, President Bill Clinton used the endorsement of NATO and the rationale of protecting a vulnerable population to justify 78 days of airstrikes.
    A senior administration official said the Kosovo precedent was one of many subjects discussed in continuing White House meetings on the crisis in Syria…
    “It’s a step too far to say we’re drawing up legal justifications for an action, given that the president hasn’t made a decision,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the deliberations. “But Kosovo, of course, is a precedent of something that is perhaps similar.”…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/world/air-war-in-kosovo-seen-as-precedent-in-possible-response-to-syria-chemical-attack.html?ref=marklandler

    Reporting was contributed by Mark Mazzetti and Thom Shanker from Washington, Steven Lee Myers from Moscow and David Jolly from Paris.

    all heavy-hitters! down with the military industrial complex before it destroys the entire world.

  139. VIDEO: PressTV: Israel, US give conflicting accounts of ballistic missile
    On Tuesday, the Israeli Defense Ministry said Tel-Aviv, together with the US Defense Department, have conducted a “successful [missile] test” in the Mediterranean Sea.
    However, the US Navy announced that it did not fire any missiles from its ships in the region.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/03/321886/us-israel-missile-accounts-conflicting/

  140. Wonder whether this will split NATO?, so gallantly commandeered to take part in this dubious scenario.

    Will the Germans fight on the side of their long standing ally Turkey and defy sense? Or will this be the final straw?

  141. “How your MP voted last Thursday on the Syria votes.”

    And a special thank you to those 59, predominantly Labour, MPs from Scottish constituencies without whom WWIII could be starting any time now.

  142. I had flicked on Sky News again (before I disappeared here) and Tim Marshall said it was the Israelis, not the U.S. He said the Israelis were ‘using an American system’ – that’s all the U.S. had to do with it.

    Target practice, he said. Called it “black sparrow” in military jargon. Set up a target, fire at it and hit it, to show your enemies what you’re capable of.

    RT had previously tweeted “Syrian radar doesn’t detect any missiles landing on their territory” but did they detect the launches? Or are they relying on the Russians?

    —————

    RT Tweet

    Opinion: US evokes ghost of Hitler as PR campaign against Assad goes crazy (by @Robert_Bridge)
    http://rt.com/op-edge/us-hitler-campaign-against-assad-329/

    “Bashar al-Assad now joins the list of Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein who have used these weapons in time of war,” Kerry told NBC’s Face the Nation. Kerry called the attack an “affront against the decency and sensibilities of the world.”

  143. I swear I’m going to throw up before this word-campaign of the Americans is over

  144. “Or are they relying on the Russians”

    Not a bad guess Dreolin, they did send a reconnaissance ship to Syria.

    http://www.tidewaterreview.com/news/national-world-news/sns-rt-us-syria-conflict-russia-ships-20130902,0,7783647.story

  145. Kosovo is interesting, if one takes what CNO Vern Clark told Bob Woodward about it seriously, since it took 78 days to accomplish what the Clinton administration had planned to take only 48 hours of bombing because there was no follow up planning when the strikes didn’t succeed.

    The CNO had good credentials for such claims, as the attack submarine USS Toledo sank the Russian alllegedly unsinkable Kursk sub after it ran into the USS Memphis while leaving port, thinking that it had sunk it when it was only damaged.

    Then, of course, Vern overdid his sendoff of the USS Jimmy Carter which was intended to hit Indonesia’s Aceh province with an earthquake-caused tsunami when, in fact, it caused a massive tragedy all around the Indian Ocean.

    Seems that NATO is now preparing for something similar all around the Mediterranean and beyond.

    America doesn’t learn from its mistakes: it just makes them bigger.

  146. Loved the article in the DM, showing the Kerrys having a cozy, candle-lit dinner with the so-called MIddle East Hitlers back in 2009.

    Wonder if there photos all round Washington, showing the American Secretary of State cornering the Assads in Damascus.

    Can’t beat the DM when the world enters the dirtiest times.

  147. Meanwhile, back at the….travel agent.

    http://www.wttc.org/news-media/news-archive/2013/keynote-address-wttc-asia-summit-seoul/

    Your man has an unrivalled record of flying round the world on expensive freebies, so I suppose he’ll be worth every penny of, what, £400K for an appearance?

  148. Or are they relying on the Russians?

    For long range surveillance, yes. The unit mentioned by the Russian release was the very fancy decimetric phased-array radar at Armavir, which keeps an eye open for incoming (to Russia) from France to Iraq. The Syrians probably only have search radars with a range of, say, 200 miles, as well as shorter-range target acquisition sets. Details may prove me wrong, but I’d guess the missile launch was outside the range of these.

  149. The missile test was simply a coincidence, Komodo. Planned well in advance yadda yadda etc. It certainly wasn’t intended to goad Syria (or Russia) into shooting at the missile in the Gulf of Tonkin stylee. No sir.

    There was no risk that the purpose of this “test” could be misconstrued or become a flashpoint in a highly volatile situation.

    Got it?

  150. Here, Kerry, check this out

    Al-Qaeda linked terrorists in Syria have beheaded all 24 Syrian passengers traveling from Tartus to Ras al-Ain in northeast of Syria, among them a mother and a 40-days old infant.
    Gunmen from the terrorist Islamic State of Iraq and Levant stopped the bus on the road in Talkalakh and killed everyone before setting the bus on fire.

    http://www.mfs-theothernews.com/2013/09/al-qaeda-militants-kill-24-civilians-in.html

    http://en.alalam.ir/news/1512664

  151. “There was no risk that the purpose of this “test” could be misconstrued or become a flashpoint in a highly volatile situation.”

    That’s what I was wondering. Why would anyone carry out a “test” in a region that looks like this:

    https://twitter.com/_kazumasa_/status/374834291395407872/photo/1

  152. ‘missile tests’ yeah right, more like testing the Syrian defences. probaly the S300 at work – the Russians even called the missiles ‘targets’ – only one thing targets missiles and that’s AMD like S300.

  153. A more ‘conspirital’ narrative is emerging on the webosphere of an aborted Israeli false flag attack on a US ship – maybe they are seeing if it can pull off something along those lines because they are getting desperate after being sidetracked by Obama.

  154. The headline “Israel/US Missile Tests As Tensions Rise”.

    The reality “Tensions Rise after Israel/US Tests Missile”.

  155. Maybe there’s a strong desire to kick things off before the UN publishes its results. Are they due a week on Friday? I do hope Carla del Ponte is in charge of the investigation. Given her findings the last time the heart-eaters gassed folks, perhaps she can’t be relied upon to point the finger in the right direction this time (even though it is not part of the UN team’s remit)

    I was wondering where the Russian fleet was, Dreoilin. Now I know.

    I can’t see anything getting out of hand in the Eastern Med with all that firepower cruising around…

  156. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:12 pm

    Thanks for all the brilliant and informative comments here this afternoon.

    It’s quite easy to get your ‘sparrows’ and your ‘arrows’ mixed up.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/09/03/u_s_israeli_missile_test_unnanounced_test_of_arrow_defense_system_caught.html

    When out this afternoon, I had told a friend that Arrow missiles had been fired!

    Another fine product of the Raytheon Corp. $125,000 a pop.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-7_Sparrow

  157. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    Mike; They haven’t announced when.

    “Officials at the OPCW, headquartered in The Hague close to the U.N.’s Yugoslav war crimes tribunal and the European Union’s Europol police organization, say team members will make no comment on their return.

    That means the first time their full findings are expected to be known will be after they are sent to U.N. headquarters in New York.

    What remains unclear is when exactly that will happen.

    Trapp said the painstaking testing will take several days and the labs working on the samples won’t sacrifice accuracy for the sake of quick results.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/31/un-chemical-weapons-experts-pull-out-syria/#ixzz2dqWaB1dP

  158. Krishnamurky

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    FYI – LABOUR MPS not in the list of 220 who voted nay

    Austin, Ian
    Blackman-Woods, Roberta 
    Blears, Hazel 
    Blomfield, Paul 
    Bradshaw, Ben 
    Burden, Richard 
    Champion, Sarah 
    Clwyd, Ann 
    Connarty, Michael 
    Cooper, Rosie 
    Crausby, David 
    Cryer, John 
    Dakin, Nic 
    Davidson, Ian 
    Fovargue, Yvonne 
    Greenwood, Lilian 
    Hain, Peter
    Hanson, David 
    Heyes, David 
    Hilling, Julie 
    Hodgson, Sharon 
    Hoyle, Lindsay 
    Johnson, Diana 
    Keeley, Barbara
    Love, Andrew (Labour
    McDonagh, Siobhain 
    Mitchell, Austin 
    Munn, Meg (Labour
    Primarolo, Dawn 
    Qureshi, Yasmin 
    Reynolds, Jonathan 
    Smith, Angela 
    Spellar, John 
    Turner, Karl 
    Woodcock, John 
    Woodward, Shaun 

  159. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:32 pm

    This is what Obomber wants to ‘support’.

    Al-Qaeda militants kill 24 civilians near Ras al-Ain

    Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist groups operating in Syria, including the al-Nusra Front, are trying to capture Kurdish territories and make them part of a state they want to create in the region. Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist groups operating in Syria, including the al-Nusra Front, are trying to capture Kurdish territories and make them part of a state they want to create in the region.

    Al-Qaeda linked terrorists in Syria have beheaded all 24 Syrian passengers traveling from Tartus to Ras al-Ain in northeast of Syria, among them a mother and a 40-days old infant.

    Gunmen from the terrorist Islamic State of Iraq and Levant stopped the bus on the road in Talkalakh and killed everyone before setting the bus on fire.

    According to media reports, the attack was carried out because the passengers who were from three different villages in Ras al-Ain, supported anti-terrorist Kurdish groups which were formed recently to defend Kurdish population against anti-Syria terrorists.

    Bodies of a mother and her 40-days infant were also seen among the dead, which were recognized by their relatives.

    /..
    http://en.alalam.ir/news/1512664

    Yes I know it’s an Iranian site and that the report will be disbelieved by some for that reason.

    David Owen said earlier that he is very fearful of a Sunni Shia divide with the war spreading into Lebanon and Iraq. He is hoping for a political solution to be found at the G20. A snowball’s chance of that in hell I should say.

    Lord Owen: How the G20 could break the deadlock on Syria
    http://www.lorddavidowen.co.uk/1568/

  160. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:35 pm

    The warmongers in the video here. Rice, Boehner, Obama and Pelosi. What a foursome.

    Syria: Obama Makes New Military Action Vow

    President Obama says the US will help the Syrian opposition after military strikes intended to “degrade Assad’s capabilities”.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1136626/syria-obama-makes-new-military-action-vow

  161. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2410132/David-Miliband-defies-Ed-insist-intervention-Syria-increasingly-necessary.html

    Brothers at war: David Miliband defies Ed to insist intervention in Syria is ‘increasingly necessary’ despite being unpopular

    David Miliband today put himself at odds with his Labour leader brother Ed to warn that international intervention in Syria is ‘increasingly necessary’.

    The former foreign secretary condemned the failure of western governments including Britain to ‘break the diplomatic and military deadlock’ and warned humanitarian aid cannot reach refugees because aid agencies are coming under ‘aerial bombardment’.

    His warning that Syria risks becoming a ‘dangerous no-man’s-land’ like Afghanistan appears at odds with Ed Miliband’s insistence that Labour will not back a second vote on UK military intervention.

  162. Krishnamurky, not surprised to see Ann Clywd and Hazel Blears in that list but very surprised to find John Cryer there as I was acquainted with his father, Bob, and could not really believe he had his father’s genes if he voted for war. So I checked it out and discovered:

    http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10649045.MP_John_Cryer_explains_why_he_missed_important_parliamentary_vote/

  163. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    3 Sep, 2013 - 5:47 pm

    France is as bad as the US, AA. With the upcoming G20 there’s rumored to be great pressure on Putin. Do you think the UK will take a second vote post G20?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255/

  164. AlcAnon posted a link to emails between Macdonald and Furst at 1.48 am who are employed by:

    http://www.acc.army.mil/contractingcenters/acc_ri/

    The screens are not easily readable on my computer. Unless this is misinformation put out by ACC the finger points directly at the US (surprise, surprise). Here is a more readable transcript.

    http://cryptome.org/2013/09/dia-sy-cw-funds.htm

  165. Interesting to see John Dross engaging in a civil discussion with “Krishnamurky”, who recently called for “Rib cage anorexia” of Jews aboard “cattle trucks”. No criticism of that post was offered by John Dross or any other Murrayista.

    Komodo, your calling me a “tool”, asking me whether I “shag goats” and accusing Habbabkuk of “beating his wife” disqualify you from any decent discussion.

  166. Krishnamurky

    3 Sep, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    @John Goss – We have to be ready for the second vote, the MPs on this list need reminding , the devil can be beat ! Only they need to show up too next time, Blomfeld & Co may be excused on religious grounds. Like the fake new labourite David Milliband, there must be some magic in all the meat pies eaten by the Union Leaders who sagely voted him out. BTW – strange silence from crypto AoC Wellby on this key issue affecting the flock.

  167. Anon,

    I hope you’ll permit me to share my thoughts about your approach to discussion.

    I sometimes see you referring to people in the third person, and making comments about them, rather than approaching them directly. Do you think that conversing with John is futile, and thus you’d rather make remarks about him addressed to the gallery, rather than talking to him directly? I’m pretty sure it would be better if you were to try to change his mind about whatever you disagree with – more productive and civil, imo.

    I am unsure if I qualify as a “Murrayista”, but I have repeatedly criticised Krishnamurky (alternatively English Knight or Hasbarista) for persistent anti-Jewish posts. However, even though racism of all kinds is challenged here, you persist with the implication that everyone posting here is vehemently anti-Jewish. That isn’t true, but saying so also rather shuts the conversation down. I think people are wary of discoursing with you as a result.

    For what it is worth, I didn’t see the “Rib cage anorexia” post, but if people ignored it, perhaps people are just better at not rising to the bait? Krishnamurky prefers to make drive-by points, persuades nobody of anything, and rarely stops to explain what he/she thinks. The openly racist stuff gets deleted anyway, and you can always report it using the contact form.

  168. Excellent Bill Blum Anti-Empire Report;

    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/120

    (h/t to Joe E @ Medialens)

  169. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    Krishnamurky The AoC did speak about Syria six days ago. He trod the middle line.

    Welby warns against ‘rushing to judgment’ over Syria intervention
    The Archbishop of Canterbury has warned against “rushing to judgment” over military action in Syria insisting that it could have “unforeseeable consequences” across the entire Muslim world. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10269721/Welby-warns-against-rushing-to-judgment-over-Syria-intervention.html

    He spoke in the Lords here @ 5.54pm
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhansrd/text/130829-0001.htm#13082910000229

    ~~~

    Thanks Macky. Will read later.

  170. William Batboy Hague has tonight opened the new front, Iran, accusing them of taking part in Assads alleged crimes against humanity, tying up the two.

    Syria is not signatory to the OPCW treaty, which gives ample scope for the prince Bandar’s boys to use them against Assad, without regrets or a chance of being prosecuted.

  171. BrianFujisan

    3 Sep, 2013 - 8:01 pm

    yes Mary indeed, Great posts on all this Syria madness today.

    I’m with Dreoilin, when she says she will be pysically sick over it all, that massacre on the bus, just fucking Heartbreaking

    Here’s Brilliant take on it all from William Blum

    The Anti-Empire Report

    By William Blum

    Found at last! After searching for 10 years, the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction have finally been found – in Syria!

    Secretary of State John Kerry: “There is no doubt that Saddam al-Assad has crossed the red line. … Sorry, did I just say ‘Saddam’?”

    A US drone has just taken a photo of Mullah Omar riding on a motorcycle through the streets of Damascus. 1

    So what do we have as the United States refuses to rule out an attack on Syria and keeps five warships loaded with missiles in the eastern Mediterranean?

    Only 9 percent of Americans support a US military intervention in Syria. 2
    Only 11% of the British supported a UK military intervention; this increased to 25% after the announcement of the alleged chemical attack. 3
    British Prime Minister David Cameron lost a parliamentary vote August 29 endorsing military action against Syria 285-272
    64% of the French people oppose an intervention by the French Army. 4 “Before acting we need proof,” said a French government spokesperson. 5
    Former and current high-ranking US military officers question the use of military force as a punitive measure and suggest that the White House lacks a coherent strategy. “If the administration is ambivalent about the wisdom of defeating or crippling the Syrian leader, possibly setting the stage for Damascus to fall to Islamic fundamentalist rebels, they say, the military objective of strikes on Assad’s military targets is at best ambiguous.” 6
    President Obama has no United Nations approval for intervention. (In February a massive bombing attack in Damascus left 100 dead and 250 wounded; in all likelihood the work of Islamic terrorists. The United States blocked a Russian resolution condemning the attack from moving through the UN Security Council)

  172. BrianFujisan

    3 Sep, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    Ahh Sorry Macky

    You put up the Bill Blum Piece just ahead of me..i hadn’t noticed, was taking so long over that post of mine,

    Gotta dash noo, Very lat for Jui jitsu

  173. “Ahh Sorry Macky”

    No need to be, I’m not in the “I posted it first” kudos game ;) & if something is good, it’s always worth a second posting !

  174. Krishnamurky

    3 Sep, 2013 - 8:23 pm

    Its coming down to a propaganda fight before a UN Russian “veto” of vote re Syria. We might even get to listen to a Mavi Marmara type “auschwitz” conversation “intercept” between a “panicky” mossad sephardi talking to the “Syrian Central Command” to stop the gas attack BUT they have now come up with an even better conversation “intercept”, that of a Syrian commander being forced to fire with gas shells under threat of execution. It will be fun listening to the Comical Shlomo’s propaganda version of how Arabs talk to one another whilst in panic (Cameron in the Commons wisely dodged an MPs demand that they be privy to these “intercepts”) ! The latest “intercept” the israelis have come up with is that of a hezbo bigwig lamenting to the Iranians all the way in Tehran about Assad’s gassing recklessness. BTW-Surely only gas can be the destination of such satanically cunning devils.

  175. It is good to see Global Research up and running again and Professor Michel Chossudovsky’s latest article on the US plan to be in the Mediterranean before the chemical attack they organised, but what about our naval vessels already being there over Gibraltar, which was part of a long-planned exercise? He does not mention that. I bet those warships have not been brought back.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/massive-naval-deployment-us-and-allied-warships-deployed-to-syrian-coastline-before-the-august-21-chemical-weapons-attack/5347766

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/gibraltar-britain-send-navy-warships-2142385

  176. James Mason

    3 Sep, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    I wonder whether there is capacity for some surprise still in the Syria story. With the twists and turns of US/UK and perhaps French consultation with their respective legislatures, could we yet see a Russian acceptance of a UN resolution. One extracted on the basis of negotiating it into the ground on content and also ensuring that China does not feel it rubs up their own strategic feathers in terms of Japan and North Korea. But a text nonetheless. The chess game of UN negotiations appears to run a very similar pattern and could be broken if Syria presents a real head scratcher for Russia.

  177. Truthout article that systematically takes apart the Obama/Kerry “evidence” against Assad – and mentions Craig’s blog post about Troodos

    ‘How Intelligence Was Twisted to Support an Attack on Syria’

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

  178. Anon at 6.46pm: Seconded, despite Jon’s comment.

    Jon perhaps you can also check the Murrayistas once in a way?

    For example Goss’s whines about shills; ever since i pointed out his accusation of Habby’s Jewishness with a snigger. Offence is the best form of defence.

    Fact is Habby has never declared that he’s a Jew. He has if i remember right, stated that he’s catholic, but i may be wrong.

    We may not know what people actually are. In fact since the most difficult person to know is one’s self, people will unwittingly, ever so subtly betray their own prejudices.

  179. James, it will be a strategic failure (self-evident in near-enough time) if the US doesn’t take on Al Qaeda in some certain way. They are the real perpetrating thugs in the game. Russia and China will be reminding the US of that, as also their sponsorship by the Saudis. Curbing the Saudis, as root-cause, should be an important part of any Security Council negotiation, imo.

    I believe Obama knows what is the ‘right action’ here. Question is whether he is able to negotiate through the scrum of his own advisors and the US political landscape.

  180. Going onto Facebook right now is so depressing, it seems filled with aggression on behalf of the USA/Israel, constantly urging an attack on Syria. The usual Muslim neocons, too…

  181. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    3 Sep, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    John You refer to the jolly japes on Cougar 13. When they set off we were told that our boys were raring to go and were scheduled eventually to play at war games with the Albanians. I have been keeping an eye on the website.

    This is the latest.

    30/08/2013
    Two ships deployed on Cougar 13 have met up mid Mediterranean for a swap of supplies vital to the operation. With over 45,000 tonnes of steel between them; HMS Illustrious and Royal Fleet Auxiliary supply ship, RFA Fort Austin, held a straight course while the exchange took place over a distance of less than 50 yards.
    http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2013/August/30/130830-Supply-meets-demand

    When they set off from Portsmouth and Plymouth, HMS Bulwark’s Commanding Officer, Captain Andrew Burns, said:

    “Building on the success of last year’s Response Force Task Group deployment, Cougar 13 will present opportunities to demonstrate the wide utility of amphibious forces and the flexibility provided by the Royal Navy, with ships forward deployed in order to respond, should the nation’s interests be threatened.

    “At the same time we will develop existing relationships with our allies, deliver maritime security in the Mediterranean and Middle East and we will of course be ready to conduct operations anywhere if necessary.”

    http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2013/August/12/130812-Cougar13-Deployment

    Very handy.

  182. An Al Qaeda operative passing through Baghdad and ‘phoning home to speak to his family was taken as ‘convincing proof’ that Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and was used (among other, similar dross) to justify the destruction of a country and its people. They must think we are stupid. But of course, the truth is, they don’t actually care. They know they can do as they like, they can do as they always have done.

    Imagine that someone get the Head of Saudi Intelligence into a small room, administer some truth serum, switch on the Skype, and broadcast globally.

    Where is Prince Bandar?
    Anyone got his number?

  183. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    3 Sep, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    Walter Pincus illustrates how 2013 is different from 2003..

    “Based on the administration’s four-page assessment released Friday, the U.S. intelligence community has “intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on Aug. 21 and was concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence.”

    It is time to produce those intercepts. Who was that senior official? Of course that would show sources and methods, but at this late date who in the Syrian military does not recognize the U.S. capability to intercept its communications? The Obama administration’s problem will be that many probably won’t believe the legitimacy of the intercepts.

    The assessment also reports that “on the afternoon of August 21, we have intelligence that Syrian chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations.” That again may involve intercepts, or it may come from human intelligence. It needs more explanation and some sort of proof, even if it means losing a source.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fine-print-time-to-show-and-tell-on-syria/2013/09/02/dcd71a90-124f-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html

  184. The regime has launched a gas attack upon me — laughing gas. I must first apologize to President Obama, by claiming he’d circumvent his “no boots on the ground” pledge next year by forcing US troops to wear sandals in Syria.

    Didn’t anticipate him placing the boots in Jordan very soon, in the form of training pro-AQ rebels. Hasn’t worked in Afghanistan, where we’ve been training anti-AQ govt. forces for a decade and they’re sustaining 100 casualties per day.

    Now that all Congressional leaders are suddenly pro-war it only remains to convince the Congressional rabble representing the nation’s peasantry.

    A sweet, heartwarming story:

    “REP. NANCY PELOSI (D): My five-year-old grandson… he said to me, ‘war with Syria, are you yes war with Syria, no, war with Syria’. And he’s five years old. We’re not talking about war; we’re talking about action… I said, ‘Well, what do you think?’ He said, ‘I think no war.’ I said, ‘Well, I generally agree with that but you know, they have killed hundreds of children, they’ve killed hundreds of children there.’ And he said, five years old, ‘Were these children in the United States?’ And I said, ‘No, but they’re children wherever they are.’”

    I trust she’ll allow him to chew his Pop-Tart pastry into a little gun and join the fight.

    The pro-war faction are entirely of the geezer class (if I’m allowed an ageist comment). Their drool cups runneth over.

    The far-right, not only Rand Paul libertarians, but TeaPartiers/TeaBaggers too are largely opposed. The far-left, the Progressives/ObamaBots thus far also seem opposed.

    From far-left dailykos.com:

    “It’s never good when a Secretary of State… [smacks] of hysteria and desperation. It’s like the old legal adage: If you’ve got the facts, pound the facts. If you’ve got the law, pound the law. If you’ve got neither, pound the table. Right now, the administration doesn’t have the facts (no theory of how action will improve the situation in Syria beyond “sending a message”), it doesn’t have the law (no UN authorization), so it’s pounding the table. And it’s unseemly.”

    “The issue here is whether the use of American force can improve a bad situation. And until someone makes an argument that rises above “Assad is HITLER!,” or “we must do SOMETHING!,” fact is that engaging in Syria is a bad call. And so far, all we’re seeing is a lot of table pounding.”

    Snips of headlines: “ABCNEWS-WASHPOST POLL: 59% oppose… PEW: 29% support…” and “BLACK DEM TO DECLARE WAR OUT OF LOYALTY TO OBAMA…” and from the Clinton controlled Democratic National Committee: “U.S. has ‘dozens’ of allies against Syria but they are secret…”

  185. Jon; “I think people are wary of discoursing with you as a result”

    No Jon, people are wary of engaging with either Anon or the Hubba-Clown, because they are Trolls; the fact that you cannot realise this, together with two or three others, doesn’t change this blatant fact; people are certainly entitled to post here if they disagree with either Craig’s or with the political leanings of the majority here, but what they should not be entitled to do under the guise of being contrarian, is to simply post aspersions, mostly little more than denigrating smears, without even attempting to substantiate or back-up their comments, if they cannot or refuse to argue their opinions, then they are trolls, simply here for trolling.

    Their favorite aspersion which they like to level at the majority of the Posters here, is that of being “anti-Western”, and after weeks, or was it months, of dodging endless requests to explain this charge, they were finally cornered into trying to put their heads together to concoct some sort of answer, the best that these great intellectual wannbe debaters, could come up with, was a nonsense quote from the rambling of the demented Unibomber !

    No, these two are obviously not here for honest debate, and the tragedy is that almost everybody can see this, except you, the Moderator, and under your watch, they have been allowed to run riot to the great detriment of this Blog.

  186. Krishnamurky

    3 Sep, 2013 - 10:36 pm

    The israeli mossad ex-chief who alerted the world as to satanyahu’s delusion about being a latter day “david”, and extending israeli borders a la moshe dayan, needs to revisit his concerns publicly again before we are too far down the road. The stated US position about missile strikes degrading Syrian chemical weapons capability is a nonsense, if just because any strike on stockpiles may actually cause mass gassing deaths instead. Its more a licence to carry out an israeli type trade mark “decapitation” strike on Arab leadership ie Assad. Really the world might be a better place if instead a “decapitation” TNW strike was made on the 28,000 staffed Pentagon, wiping out all institutional capability of the Great Satans war machine in one fell swoop, especially the 1500 strong division that cooks up such delicious spin as Brennan’s “Osama was cowering behind young wife” or equally on the deadly “david” wannabe!!

  187. Ah, the smell of fixing the facts around the policy are sulfur in our noses again.

    First we had Racak massacre that wasn’t, and the impossible deal offered to the Serbs at Rambouillet.
    Then we had the tiny fact that plans to invade Afghanistan were in place before 9/11.
    Next came Iraq. No need to go over that BS again.
    Then we had Gaddafi’s troops pumped on Viagra and heading to Benghazi to carry out a massacre. That one reminded me of the Iraqis throwing babies out of their incubators during Gulf War One. That was a lie as well.

    And now we have Syria.

    Neocon liars and butchers and cognitive dissonance.

  188. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    3 Sep, 2013 - 10:44 pm

    “Anon at 6.46pm: Seconded, despite Jon’s comment.” (post by Villager)
    _____________________

    I too would second Anon’s excellent post at 18h46.

    Are Mr Goss and Captain Komodo (cashiered) losing the plot entirely?
    Or are they just upset that the bombs still haven’t started falling and that the Tomahawks have still not flown (must be as bad as Mr Manning not having been sentenced to death or to 120 or even 60 years).

    But to end on a lighter note! I nominate the following as the silliest (because the most un-self-aware) post of the day :

    “Great posts on all this Syria madness today.” (from Brian Fujisan)

    Pinch me, someone, and tell me that Fujisan’s got his blogs mixed up? Please!

  189. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    3 Sep, 2013 - 10:55 pm

    @ various Excellences and others:

    Something that’s puzzling me : why are you so eager to defend Mr Bashir al-Assad, he of the family firm Assad & Son (estbl. 1970 – torture, executions and massacres our speciality)?

    Just wonderin’, as Ben Franklin might say.

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