The Muddle of Cameron

by craig on June 26, 2014 10:52 am in Uncategorized

There was never the slightest chance that David Cameron will achieve any significant “renegotiation” of Britain’s EU membership terms. This fictitious “renegotiation” is the fig-leaf with which Cameron has sought to appease euro-sceptics, promising an in-out referendum once the non-existent “renegotiation” is completed.

When a non-existent process can be deemed complete is an interesting question.

On Cameron’s side, it has only ever been a fig-leaf to buy time, though I do not entirely discount Britain’s extraordinary capacity to delude itself about its ability to “punch above its weight” diplomatically. The book of modern British diplomatic triumphs would be a slim volume indeed.

But the Emperor has made the mistake of pointing to his dangling naked penis. Cameron stated starkly that the election of Jean Claude Juncker to head the European Commission would be evidence that Europe would not adopt Cameron style reform.

Yes, David. Exactly. Thanks for pointing it out. Personally I never thought you were wearing any trousers anyway, but if anyone did you have now dangled it right in their faces.

Cameron has made it even more plain by linking Juncker’s election directly to Cameron’s thesis that national governments must always be paramount in Europe. Juncker’s election is in accordance with an agreement that the leader of the largest party in the European Parliament will head the Commission. Thus, as Cameron pointed out, the very process itself is an advance of Euro-federalism and Euro-democracy, irrespective of Juncker’s views. Absolutely. Cameron’s thesis that national governments must be paramount over European institutions has already been defeated in what Cameron himself made a symbolic fight. The complete fatuity of Cameron’s re-negotiation claims is exposed.

Personally I am very pro-EU. But whatever your stance on the EU, the outright dishonesty of the Cameron approach must be condemned.

I published a couple of weeks ago that Juncker does not share Barroso’s hostility to Scottish independence: as a former Prime Minister of Luxembourg he does not see the problem with small nations. The British media has been extremely keen to puff up the opposition to Scottish independence by foreign leaders. Cameron and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office have invested huge diplomatic capital into persuading Barack Obama and Li Keqiang to make statements against Scottish independence, while standing next to Cameron for the cameras.

The media failed to pay the same attention to a much more significant occasion – Angela Merkel refused to do it. Standing right next to David Cameron at a press conference in Sweden, Merkel rebuffed intense British diplomatic lobbying when she refused to back the continued existence of the state the man next to her was representing. It was a stunning slight, as Merkel knocked back the same question fed to Obama and Keqiang with the sensible (though entirely untrue) reply that she never answers hypothetical questions. Cameron stared at the floor, discomfited.

There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union. And the two people who are most important in that decision – Jean Claude Juncker and Angela Merkel – have not been amenable to the FCO’s frenetic anti-Scottish lobbying. They both are in positions much more vital to Scotland’s future than Barack Obama and Li Keqiang – both of whom will change their tune post-independence anyway.

Cameron’s headaches are multiplying.

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173 Comments

  1. Li Keqiang’s family name is Li, so if you are going to talk of Obama and him, you should say Obama and Li.

  2. Craig:

    “But the Emperor has made the mistake of pointing to his dangling naked penis”

    This is the funniest one-liner I’ve encountered in quite some time.

    Regarding Cameron’s promise of an EU referendum, yes it probably is just an empty promise to attract the Euro-sceptics, but is there a danger that it might develop its own momentum and become unstoppable? It would have a number of influential newspapers backing it.

    So pro-EU Scots had better vote Yes, or risk being dragged out of the EU by the Little Englanders.

  3. StantonCarlisle

    26 Jun, 2014 - 11:20 am

    Craig, I think this blog post should have been called ‘David Cameron’s Penis’.

  4. I was installing air conditioning in 2 rooms in a newly built mansion. Dangling from the ceiling was a nest of fat cables like car jump leads. ‘ What are these for? ‘ I enquired. ‘ I don’t know ‘ the owner replied. The only use for this type of cabling and air conditioning I could think of was bright lights for porn filming.

    So David Cameron, why do you make a fuss about Europe? Is it as Craig so perceptively points out to display your dick in the brightest possible spotlights?

  5. Guano

    ” The only use for this type of cabling and air conditioning I could think of was bright lights for porn filming. ”

    Err, yes – that may say something about you :-)!

  6. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    Porn studio? Or a cannabis farm?….whoops.

  7. Alan campbell

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:18 pm

  8. “Or a cannabis farm?”

    Err, yes – that may say something about you.

  9. ” There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union. ”

    I don’t believe there was ever any suggestion that it would. The question has always been would Scotland automatically be a member post independence or would it have to apply.

  10. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Err, yes – that may say something about you.
    So relieved to see you developing a sense of humour. You actually got the joke.

  11. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:44 pm

    Kempe-

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-eu-bid-extremely-difficult-says-jose-manuel-barroso-9131925.html

    It would be “extremely difficult, if not impossible” for an independent Scotland to get the necessary approval from the member states for it to join the European Union (EU), the president of the European Commission has said.

    February this year. Prior to that the impossibility/difficulty of joining in its own right was the accepted wisdom. There’s been some substantial backtracking since.

  12. “There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union”

    Surely that can’t be true. Even if there were no objections in principle to Scottish membership, it could nevertheless all go pear-shaped over the details. Membership could not be finalised for instance until Scotland and the EU agreed on what Scotland’s annual contribution to EU coffers should be.

  13. Spain won’t veto it.

    If they did then the Galician fishing industry would collapse, leading to the subsequent collapse of PP funding & support in Galicia. Take a guess who the Galicians vote for now ;)

    Turkeys don’t vote for xmas as they say…..

  14. The idea of EU-wide political parties, or mergers to form them, terrifies me a little, I don’t think people are ready or desire such a leap, such things could so easily be out of touch, internally divided, power-hungry and awesomely corruptible right through, which could, given just enough time, be a result of election “in accordance with an agreement that the leader of the largest party in the European Parliament will head the Commission.

    I’m certainly in favour of an European Union of sorts, that guarantees equality and human rights, public safety and protection, a social and trading union of peoples. I fear the EU as presently set up, has an air of something organised purely as a test run, a sort of pilot EU, a rough mock-up just to see how things go and the details, ‘trivial’ things, such a veneer of democracy, accountability, to be added later as a result of that experience, which then, despite its prototype status has gone on to entrench itself almost without change or any of the flaws, thought initially understandable, excusable as temporary expedients, now set in stone and solemn writ. It still has the air of a rehearsal about it, assurance of good intentions and outcomes to be taken on faith alone.

    When will we get EU-Mark II, with the worst faults fixed or better hidden and some new ones introduced. Will it come with a warranty, and in colours other than bureaucratic beige? All corruptible power absolutely concentrated in one easily accessible place, one set of controls, one cockpit, turns as backseat driver made available to the highest bidding, lobbyist, oligarch, blackmailer or other ne’er-do-well.

  15. Tonight. Not much notice.

    Event: The radical case for Scottish independence
    Thursday, 26 June 2014 7pm-8:30pm in Committee Room 14, House Of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA.

    One of the most important events for Britain will be taking place in September: the Scots will be able to vote for independence. Yet public discussion in England has been set by political parties arguing that independence is a reactionary and retrogressive step. Red Pepper and openDemocracy are bringing Scottish independence campaigners to the heart of the establishment, Westminster parliament, to hear their case and determination to vote Yes.

    Book your place for a discussion with:

    Cat Boyd, Radical Independence Campaign

    Pete Ramand, co-author of Yes: The Radical Case for Scottish Indpendence

    Robin McAlpine, Jimmy Reid Foundation

    David Greig, playwright

    Joyce McMillan, theatre critic

    Neal Ascherson, writer

    This is an opportunity to understand the importance for a whole section of the Scottish people of seizing the opportunity to establish a different state. The opposition sets a negative tone: you’ll lose the pound, there will be no oil, you’ll be pushed out of the EU, you will be defenceless… But what we in London have not had is any flavour of the passion and determination increasingly heard in the fervour of discussion now sweeping through Scotland.

    /..
    http://www.redpepper.org.uk/radicalcase/

  16. Something else for Dave.

    Save our Bees. Please.

    Our bees are in danger again! On Tuesday, David Cameron and his cabinet are going to decide whether to allow banned bee killing pesticides to be used on fields across the UK.

    Unbelievably, a mega pesticide company called Syngenta has just made an emergency appeal after their product was banned across Europe last year due to the risk it poses to our bees.

    We’ve not got long to act. But if enough of us make a huge fuss right now, we could persuade David Cameron to throw out Syngenta’s request and uphold the ban.

    Can you sign a petition to David Cameron right now demanding that he protects our bees?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/a-ban-is-a-ban

    This is Syngenta.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syngenta
    Turnover $14,688 billion !!

    The Board
    http://www.syngenta.com/global/corporate/en/about-syngenta/governance/management-and-board/Pages/board-of-directors.aspx

  17. Mary: that’s 14.688 billion, not 14,688 billion.

  18. I’ve often found it strange how the media in Scotland gave extensive coverage of Barroso’s remarks where he wrongly compared Scotland to Kosovo,yet gave almost no coverage to remarks he made about Cameron’s plan in October 2013. The Huffington post article found here – http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/04/david-cameron-barroso-_n_4042166.html states:

    “David Cameron’s plans to claw back UK powers from Brussels are ‘doomed to failure’ as all 28 member states would fail to back Britain’s ‘unreasonable’ demands, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has warned.

    Barroso poured scorn on the Prime Minister’s plan to bring legislation from the EU back into the UK’s control, insisting that it would only be achievable by reviewing over 150,000 pages of EU law on a case-by-case basis.“

  19. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    We’re rapidly becoming (the UK) the leper of the EU, as evidenced by Cameron’s assault on Juncker unifying support for Juncker. My view is that we’re in too deep to get out now, and we are committed to lying back and thinking nostalgically of England. That’s one option. Another is to get out and become the 51st State in name as well as everything else. Those are the globalist options. Alternatively, the UK could assert its independence, relearn its manufacturing and piratical skills and be a thorn in everyone’s side. I rather like that one, and the Scots might even appreciate its boldness and stay in.

  20. @ MJ

    Most of Europe uses a comma rather than a full stop to indicate a decimal place so its probably that rather than an attempt to inflate the turnover ;)

  21. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 2:52 pm

    “” There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union. ”

    I don’t believe there was ever any suggestion that it would. The question has always been would Scotland automatically be a member post independence or would it have to apply.”
    _____________________

    Kempe is exactly right.

    The first bit of the above is just another straw man (from Craig).

  22. “Most of Europe uses a comma rather than a full stop to indicate a decimal place”

    In my experience it’s Americans who do it. And no, most of Europe don’t.

  23. Yes, Thatcher got brownie points for renegotiating a European deal which had been particularly bad because we were late joining. There is no negotiating leverage for Cameron but I guess as her protege he thought he could do the same thing. No chance. He’ll be leaving office with nothing. “What did you do as prime minister Mr Cameron?” “Er.”

    If Scotland votes Yes it will be a double whammy. Achieved nothing while in office but presided over the breakup of the union. No wonder they are pulling out all the stops to get a No vote!

  24. Answer to the question to CameraOn John

    ‘I wrecked your NHS. We’re alright though. We all have private health insurance for as you know we are all in it together.’

  25. Yes you are correct MJ! My bad. Don’t know what’s wrong with my eyesight today and I have just had an eye test. Everything was the same as 2 years before. I don’t need glasses thank goodness.

  26. I’ve never understood the sense of opposing Juncker. The question of Scottish independence will be decided by the people of Scotland. If they want independence, the UK will have to live with it and should therefore prepare for every eventuality (perhaps this is happening in secret, for all we know). I hope Scotland remains in the UK, but if not, the UK must make every effort to be on the best of terms with those North of Hadrian’s wall. We need to be like Sweden towards Norway if that happens, IMO.

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Vestas

    Firstly, welcome to the blog. If you are not here to vent an obsession or two, then you are doubly welcome.

    Re fisheries. It may well be the case that the Galician fisheries industry is dependent – perhaps even heavily dependent – on catches around the British Isles, but I believe that the concentration of effort is in “English” waters (and mainly SW England) and the Irish Sea, and not in “Scottish” waters.

    Furthermore: even if there was an important Spanish (Galician or whatever)fishing effort in “Scottish” waters, it is certain that the question of maintaining some if not all of those catch possibilities in newly independent Scottish waters would be an important feature of the negotiations on Scottish re-admission into the EU and would be something on which Spain would insist.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Having said that, I do not believe that any member state would attempt to block Scottish re-admission for reasons of “principle”. As the Juncker affair shows, questions of principle tend to fall away in the face of what is considered to be the need not to rock the boat.

  28. I really don’t think he cares that much,either way.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Dreoilin

    ““Most of Europe uses a comma rather than a full stop to indicate a decimal place”

    In my experience it’s Americans who do it. And no, most of Europe don’t.”
    _________________

    The original commenter is correct and you are wrong, Dreoilin (about Europe).

  30. “Don’t know what’s wrong with my eyesight today”

    If you copy and paste you can’t go wrong.

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 3:51 pm

    @ Hilde Benjamin (13h41)

    “I don’t need glasses thank goodness.”
    __________________

    It is reassuring to know that nothing can come between that steely glint in your eye and the objects of your loathing, scorn and derision.

  32. The power of a petition. Well done 38 Degrees.

    ~~~~

    *High fives* and *applause* – Barclays won’t be investing in the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef!

    Remember Abbot Point, the huge coal port that mega company Adani want to build at the heart of the pristine reef? Last night, Barclays confirmed they have:

    “… no plans to participate in financing the Abbot Point development or its associated mine/rail infrastructure”. [1]

    This is great news, particularly because they haven’t just said they won’t fund the port. They’ve also said they won’t sink money into the mines or the railway lines that take the coal to the coast. Barclays are one of the biggest international investors in Australian coal, so this is pretty huge.

    Thousands of us worked alongside organisations around the world to make this happen. [2] Last week, 38 Degrees members sent over 10,000 tweets to Barclays’ media team, asking for a statement. [3] We got one – but 140 characters or less is hardly a binding commitment. So together we sent an amazing 18,361 emails to Barclays asking them to formally rule out investing in Abbot Point or any of the railways or mines linking to it.

    And we got it! Adani are still on the hunt for investors, but taking Barclays out of the mix is a huge step forward. And it’s people power wot won it. Here’s to the Great Barrier Reef (and to saving Nemo!).

    Thanks for being involved.

    ~~~~

    There are nearly 97,000 signatures on the petition to Cameron about bees and the neonicotinoids that kill them.

  33. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    And guess who fucked up the last time we renegotiated with the EU…

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/476734/Tony-Blair-s-EU-renegotiation-deal-that-cost-Britain-10billion

    Blair – the git* that goes on giving.

    *sic

  34. Nice little ad hominem there I expect. Thought they weren’t allowed! That is from the person who was discussing plants and chickens recently and ‘speaking’ to me as if he was a normal person. Very puzzling double persona.

    Hilde Benjamin = I have never heard of her and don’t intend to find out.

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    “Hilde Benjamin = I have never heard of her and don’t intend to find out.”
    _______________________

    You are the great researcher and finder-out, Mary, so you should google her. I promise you you won’t regret it.

    She might even have been a formative influence on you without you knowing it.

  36. doug scorgie

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    26 Jun, 2014 – 2:52 pm

    “The first bit of the above is just another straw man (from Craig).”
    —————————————–

    Habbabkuk you wouldn’t recognise a straw man if one bit you on your (de-foreskined) winkle.

    You use terms, in an attempt to impress, that you obviously don’t understand.

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “And guess who fucked up the last time we renegotiated with the EU…

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/476734/Tony-Blair-s-EU-renegotiation-deal-that-cost-Britain-10billion

    Blair – the git* that goes on giving.”
    _________________________

    I’m afraid your enthusiasm for giving Blair a good pasting (which is fair enough) has got you into bed* with some rather dubious company (which is regrettable).

    I hadn’t realised you used the Daily Express as a source, but hey, it’s a free (if dumb) country! But you know it’s not the right thing to do!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If anyone’s interested, the “fuck up” was no fuck up at all, Ba’ar. The UK forewent that part of its budget rebate (won by Mrs T) which related to certain expenditures flowing arising directly out of the accession of the central and eastern European member states in 2004. The rationale was that whereas the original rebate was a “correction”” for an EU own resources system and pattern of expenditure which the UK had had no hand in creating and which was unfair to it in financial terms, the UK was itself one of the leading champions of the widening on the EU to the central and eastern European countries and could not therefore reasonably demand that the rebate should also apply to various expenditure related to same.

    Was that clear enough for Eminences and yourself, Ba’al? If not, hands off cocks and re-read very carefully.

    * (Ba’al-type footnote) only figuratively, of course.

  38. Cameron must find it very hard now that Rebekah’s back flouncing amongst the Chipprrs set.

    Im sure she’ll bend over backwards to comfort him though.

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk you wouldn’t recognise a straw man if one bit you on your (de-foreskined) winkle.

    You use terms, in an attempt to impress, that you obviously don’t understand.”
    ____________________

    Firstly, welcome back, Doug! It was time for my right leg (that’s my kicking leg)to get some exercise again.

    Secondly, you may well be right. So please read Straw Dogs (braised à la Sam Peckinpah) or Bales of Straw, or Bionic Man or Man of Marble (A. Wajda) or whatever pleases you most. You know it makes sense!

  40. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:22 pm

    Jives

    And a merry welcome back to you too, Jonathan!

    May we look forward to some more pearls of wisdom from you, delivered overnight and in time to be read by us tomorrow morning over the buttered toast, scrambled egg and coffee?

    So kind of you, and toodle pip, enjoy your night!

  41. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    Desperately trying to divert from Camerons utter embarassment our socket is getting personal, yawn, again.

    Scotland should it want to stay in Europe would be welcome, its not in the interest of the EU to exclude a country just because they have left and unhappy relationship.
    Cameron will now think twice before suggesting a No vote, his bluster has been called not even Yobbik would consider siding with the Tories.

    His ignorance of the laws of Europe, as well as ours, not to speak of his outburst over Coulson when the judge hasn’t finished makes him unsuitable as PM.

    Maybe sunday mornings selling bananas on Hamburg fishmarket would more be down his rah rah street, he could shout his mouth off as much as he likes.
    Cameron has made a twit of himself and of Britain, what will business negotiations look like after this jokels stand up comedy?

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:27 pm

    I must say I feel rather spoilt this evening; it’s not every day that I have the opportunity to dole out some correction to two Eminences and a Useful Idiot within the space of quarter of an hour.

    Thanks guys, you know it was the right thing to do.

  43. The failed sock-puppet – busted in his first ever post here- gushes more drivel.

    The point of sock puppetry is for people not to know youre one Habbatroll.

    Youre really not very good at it are you?

    Your line manager is crying at your ineptitude Habbab-Turvey.

  44. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:30 pm

    The Troll bund, if they were a soccer team, would depart the field at half-time while declaring victory.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/rusbridger-the-worlds-worst-editor/#comment-463128

  45. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    US-0 Germany-1 with 20 left to play.

  46. BrianFujisan

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:35 pm

  47. BrianFujisan

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:43 pm

    Bore ya to tears that Game Ben

    i’d Rather have watched the Ghana v Portugal Game 2 – 1 at the moment to Portugal…bit Late But Come on Ghana.. :)

  48. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:51 pm

    The best part is that they have been over=performing as under-dogs. They lost this one, but few thought they would go this far, Brian.

  49. Some worship at the altar of David Cameron, the brave leader with the bulldog spirit, by the BBC’s political editor Nick Robinson.

    Cameron and EU: Defeat and then what?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28043915

  50. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 8:11 pm

    what do I see in our future now?

    I see pitchforks.

    At the same time that people like you and me are thriving beyond the dreams of any plutocrats in history, the rest of the country—the 99.99 percent—is lagging far behind. The divide between the haves and have-nots is getting worse really, really fast. In 1980, the top 1 percent controlled about 8 percent of U.S. national income. The bottom 50 percent shared about 18 percent. Today the top 1 percent share about 20 percent; the bottom 50 percent, just 12 percent.

    But the problem isn’t that we have inequality. Some inequality is intrinsic to any high-functioning capitalist economy. The problem is that inequality is at historically high levels and getting worse every day. Our country is rapidly becoming less a capitalist society and more a feudal society. Unless our policies change dramatically, the middle class will disappear, and we will be back to late 18th-century France. Before the revolution.

    And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#ixzz35m8X6BSi

    Glad to see there’s self-awareness from this muddle. Can the EU help with this?

  51. “Angela Merkel refused to do it. Standing right next to David Cameron at a press conference in Sweden, Merkel rebuffed intense British diplomatic lobbying when she refused to back the continued existence of the state the man next to her was representing.”

    And why do you think, that is Craig? Because the Germans want to take over Europe, and the UK is the only remaining hurdle to that! Yes, of course Merkel wants an independent Scotland – so that she can throw her weight around and subjugate Scotland, in the same manner she has Ireland, Greece and Portugal.
    In your obsession with Westminster, you are, I’m afraid, hopelessly naive about the EU and its leaders.

  52. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    26 Jun, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Intensely lobbying Merkel, a scientists with a rational brain, you are having a laugh Tom.
    Taking over Europe, says the man from Commonwealth empire, are you well?

    This sort of talk should be directed at the rightwing conspiracies that are hard at work trying to derail what last little bit of humanity still exists in Europe. But they are as much befallen by their own ego’s than the main party politicial oligarchs, desperate to make out that they are representing anyone with their antics.

  53. Germany already runs Europe; or at any rate Europe is run for Germany’s benefit.

    How long before Scotland is sending it’s budget to Berlin for approval?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak

  54. There is a huge cultural chasm between Europeans and our culture weaned at the tits of the Mac US direction (Marshall Plan etc.)

    Stark examples;

    A giant marble vagina sculpture, stood at the Schnarrenberg Institute for Microbiology and Virology in Tübingen celebrating womanhood.

    Contrast;
    A visiting American climbing into the stone vagina and getting trapped and in need rescue by the local fire brigade.

    Conclusion;

    Who won the three that mattered then? (WWI, WWII, World cup 1964)

    Now the beaten Germans are trying to get even the sneaky way, best kick off another war and teach the Jerry who is the boss!

  55. The Torygraph is most concerned by Mr Juncker’s smoking and drinking.

    Headline job.

    Fears over Jean-Claude Juncker’s drinking
    Concerns about the lifestyle of European Commission’s president in waiting raised by EU leaders ahead of key summit
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10929427/Fears-over-Jean-Claude-Junckers-drinking.html

  56. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 12:28 am

    Whistleblowers; a muddle for the lawkeepers.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/6/26/exclusive-scapegoatingthewhistleblower.html

    “Last year, for the first time, De Sousa revealed that she was a CIA operative working for the National Clandestine Service (NCS). For nearly a decade, she had been working behind-the-scenes firing off letters to members of Congress and executive branch officials, informing them that the U.S. violated international laws when the CIA decided to kidnap Abu Omar.

    De Sousa has never publicly discussed all the efforts she undertook to alert government officials and lawmakers that the Abu Omar’s kidnapping was a “colossal mistake” and convince them to investigate her claims of wrongdoing, which implicate top CIA officials. She told Al Jazeera that she first contacted top Bush administration officials, but received no response. In 2009, hoping the response would be different under Obama, she disclosed to then-CIA Director Leon Panetta and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton what she says are troubling details about her treatment by the U.S. government in the aftermath of her whistleblowing. But, like the Bush administration officials before them, they also ignored her pleas, De Sousa says, and the CIA turned her into a “scapegoat” while the executive branch looked away.

  57. Mary, here’s House of Commons Committee Room 14’s vote for Yes in the Scottish independence referendum: https://twitter.com/kittycatboyd/status/482255454832447489

    Watch this space http://www.redpepper.org.uk/radicalcase/ for news of more activities in England & Wales to support Scottish independence.

  58. Kempe.

    “How long before Scotland is sending it’s budget to Berlin for approval?”

    Well the Uk’s been run by a German mob for centuries so why would you give a toss?

  59. Better together

    27 Jun, 2014 - 1:22 am

    Dangling it right in their faces seems to be English tradition

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elm-guest-house-undercover-cop-3434195

  60. Lebedev wants In.

    What is David Cameron playing at? His anti-EU stance is totally irresponsible
    Just because the PM has it in for Jean-Claude Juncker shouldn’t mean he ignores the advice of British business
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-david-cameron-playing-at-his-antieu-stance-is-totally-irresponsible-9565684.html

    and their cartoon has Cameron naked with Thatcher’s handbag covering the vital bits.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9567047.ece/alternates/w1024/daily-cartoon-20140627.jpg

  61. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 8:27 am

    Juncker: The Corporate Boot Goes In –

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10929427/Fears-over-Jean-Claude-Junckers-drinking.html

    Drinks. Smokes. Probably strangles kittens.

  62. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    27 Jun, 2014 - 9:08 am

    I would not be surprised if Savilles report yesterday was released to take the strain of multiple boots up Camerons backside, a diversion to feed the masses.
    His obstinacy and wriggling is purile, he is the City’s bitch and they tell him how to keep the pirates at it. We could not possibly have the EU look into our affairs, such as the NHS privatisation, the wholesale move of massive taxes to 40% of our representatives in the House of Lords.

    remeber the promise to reform both houses? too late, demolish them!

    Cameron is effectively putting two fingers up to EU voters who for the first time did have a say in the matter of chosing the EU president, as it was signed by the UK and the rest of the EU, so his stance is clearly aimed at us. For that Juncker has to listen to be berated by the Telegraph, o dear, he drinks too much and is lazy…

    Others say, that Merkel could have given him the indisputable nod weeks ago, but she held out to see whether Cameron could muster, not just bluster, in the end he made a twit of himself. Everyone in Europe knew what Junckers was like when they elevated him on to the rostrum, but there is always someone in the crowd who can’t agree. Thats its the British, again, is now tradition in Europe, the moaning started in the 1970’s and it is still de rigueur today.

    Most important, his daddy was a Nazi and hence his fatherly genes must be coursing through Junckers venes. My congratulation to the Tel;egraph for entering the tabloid level of ‘shit for brains’, one stage removed from changing to a smaller format and some more red splashes.

    That said, I do like the Telegraph for detail at times.

  63. OMG, this woman should have a stint on the Newsnight programme. Can you imagine the fallout?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=13PIF3hAYgc

  64. SNAP!

    Tell Ba’al @ 8.27am that I had already said that last night @ 11.28pm!

  65. Meanwhile, here’s a gruesome threesome –

    Poreshenko, Barroso and van Rompoy
    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75877000/jpg/_75877777_75877374.jpg

    EU signs pacts with ex-USSR states
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28052645

    The squeeze is tightened around President Putin.

  66. Although it is diminishing, there is still vastly more personal freedom in the EU than in the non-EU states of the former Soviet Union. There is also a much better standard of living for ordinary people.

    The more squeeze on Putin – who is a far more vicious killer than anybody currently in power in the West, even Obama – the better. The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chachnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.

  67. Jeremy Paxman: I’m a one-nation Tory and ‘Newsnight’ is made by 13-year-olds

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-paxman-im-a-onenation-tory-and-newsnight-is-made-by-13yearolds-9566874.html

  68. “Although it is diminishing, there is still vastly more personal freedom in the EU than in the non-EU states of the former Soviet Union.”

    Yes, but the EU doesn’t deserve any credit for it.

  69. How long will it take for the first rant about Paxman being a Tory and the inevitable bias he has shown over the years? 3..2..1..

  70. “Drinks. Smokes. Probably strangles kittens.”

    Just another monumentally dull apparatchik from another non-country tasked with dismantling European nation states.

    “Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup. I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious. I am for secret, dark debates.” — Jean-Claude Juncker.

    Reportedly not so dull when he’s drunk.

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Mary crows

    “SNAP!

    Tell Ba’al @ 8.27am that I had already said that last night @ 11.28pm!”
    ___________________

    Yes, you’re wonderful, Mary, we know!

    And modest with it!

    ************************

    Habbabkuk says : he who blows his own trumpet will quickly run out of puff.

  72. The UK is dead! Long live the EU!

    So Junket gets the job, the Tories get trashed and next year’s Labour/Liberal coalition deliver no EU referendum exactly as promised. Yes voters of the free west, the undemocratic march for ever more massive government continues.

    Of course Putin is scum but so is Merkel, Junker, Miliband, Salmond. You EU loving liberal left sicken me.

  73. It was nothing to do with ‘crowing’. Yet another reference to chickens. there.

    I was making the point that since Habbabreak came into existence people can end up talking to themselves with an audience of one. I believe I am on Ba’al’s Habbabreak. Fair enough. He’s welcome.

    He might even have a list of some others on there! ;)

  74. Paxman took OUR filthy lucre though so yet another hypocrite/stenographer to power reveals himself.

  75. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:08 am

    “The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chachnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.”

    It also sickens the left, but the Tariq Ali’s of this world are now interested in getting paid for their utterances and live in big houses just as the establishment. But its a general swipe that should not go unchallenged because the same happens here.

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/michael-hastings-car-crash-death-still-being-investigated

    The ability of the britsh establishment and the right to make out that war with Russia is inevitable, down to ideologues and gangsters, not the outcome of our greed and zest for Russias resources, is a crock, and its full.

    Then this from Anon, a total distortion of facts by someone who has come to love his status as a US bitch. Well bitch, isn’t it nice of the EU to let you run along and go to war/walkies with your hegemonic handler as you see fit, attack this and that country whilst filling your belly at the EU table? and withoput any consequences to you or your country? One could argues that such warmongering is contrare to the EU’s founding statements by the club of Rome, one could argue for change to such selfish anger in future reforms, that nobody should drag the EU into their spats with others, without consequences to their own status.

    And don’t think that these companies frequenting Britain do this to bring us jobs, they are out to use us for their trade in the EU alone, don’t worry they have not forgotten the opium wars and devastation the British empire wrecked on them, now they are in the driving seat.

    “Although it is diminishing, there is still vastly more personal freedom in the EU than in the non-EU states of the former Soviet Union.”

    Yes, but the EU doesn’t deserve any credit for it.

    The EU does deserve credit for it, because without it, the Yugoslav conflict would have taken a different turn, but don’t strain on that, just keep ploughing on with your PM.

    Great news just in from the Anon ‘ymous Times’, Britain will in future make do with Japanese and Chinese cars, not a single person will buy French, Italian or German cars anymore. Further, all the globalised companies leaving Britain for another vasall to be exploited in the EU, this will not mean much loss of taxes to the exchequer as they don’t pay much, will leave a wave of unemployment, so Camerons policies will eventually get the pitchforks out in Britain whilst he is personally switching the lights off.

    what a prat

  76. Of course Putin is scum but Junker strangles kittens! You EU loving liberal left sicken me.

  77. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:12 am

    The EU loving left is not left anymore Phil, they never were there for a united movement, just in it for their own little divisive cliques.

    Scotlands Independence, long may it last, will make it obvious that England is the last unreformed bastion denying its citizens a fair vote, not that this will cheer anybody up here.

  78. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:15 am

    Just another monumentally dull apparatchik from another non-country tasked with dismantling European nation states.

    I’ll have you know he did very well for Luxembourg. And Vodafone. You should admire his entrepreneurial genius. An inspiration to globalising neocons everywhere. I’m surprised you’re agin him. Which is not to deny his regrettable personal habits, bad breath, the strangled kittens buried in the grounds of his palace and preference for cognac over English (sic) whisky, and whatever the Barclay Bros’ private organ can smear him with. Sorry about that image.

    Cameron wants to reform Europe to reflect the needs of the UK service/financial fraud economy. Otherwise he’s going to get trashed by half his own party and many of his backers at the next election. That’s all this is about.

  79. “Of course Putin is scum but so is Merkel, Junker, Miliband, Salmond. You EU loving liberal left sicken me.”

    Ha ha! Well said, Phil. Personally I’m sickened by the lot of you!

    But seriously, I think some of you have it all arse about foot here. There is nothing in the least Eurosceptic about Cameron. He bows and scrapes before the EU, whilst maintaing the charade of standing up to it for domestic consumption. Truth be told he is pro-EU and has said so on many occasions. He is committed to keeping this country in the European Union.

    “So Junket gets the job, the Tories get trashed and next year’s Labour/Liberal coalition deliver no EU referendum exactly as promised.”

    Spot on, Phil. That was, after all, the whole thinking behind the Tory referendum promise!

  80. Take note Dave.

    Scots NHS satisfaction soars as England’s falls
    Posted by The (Medialens) Editors on June 27, 2014, 9:52 am

    Scotland’s shift away from a commercialised NHS to one based once more on solidarity is proving highly popular with the public.

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/dave-watson/scots-nhs-satisfaction-soars-as-englands-falls

    ~~~

    and watch out, the UN is supporting the Argies over the Thatcher Falklands. So much in the in tray at the moment and all that electioneering to plan for over the next 11 months.

    UN committee backs Argentina over Falkland Islands
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/un-committee-backs-argentina-over-falkland-islands-9566894.html

    plus a new M16 chief to find as Sawers is leaving.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28033521

  81. Some dark mutterings from Germania

    ” Then this from Anon, a total distortion of facts by someone who has come to love his status as a US bitch. Well bitch, isn’t it nice of the EU to let you run along and go to war/walkies with your hegemonic handler as you see fit, attack this and that country whilst filling your belly at the EU table? ”

    Precis of this latest outburst: you can’t be US bitch, you must be our German bitch. You can’t be no-one’s bitch. That would be Little Englander.

  82. The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chachnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.

    Putin certainly trumps Obama when it comes to acting the thug, as his forces’ conduct in the second Chechnya war clearly demonstrates . However Russia’s top ranking for journalists getting whacked predates Putin, and has its origins in the oligarch wars of the Yeltsin years-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

    Some high profile murders in the early Putin years were also very probably the work of non state actors-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Klebnikov

  83. ‘But seriously, I think some of you have it all arse about foot here. There is nothing in the least Eurosceptic about Cameron.’

    Anon- Cameron has no fixed beliefs whatsoever, beyond preserving the privileges of his class; he has acquired a Eurosceptic veneer in an effort to appease his disgruntled right wing. His latest anti Juncker charade has backfired badly. Pass the popcorn please.

  84. ‘The UK forewent that part of its budget rebate (won by Mrs T) which related to certain expenditures flowing arising directly out of the accession of the central and eastern European member states in 2004.’

    Thanks Habba for recycling the Eurocrat line used to some good effect against a supine Blair in 2005. The ‘linkage’ between the UK rebate and the admission of the 8 accession states was a pup sold to Blair, then intent on burnishing his Europhile credentials, and nothing more.

    The main reason for the instigation of the rebate by Thatcher was the unsuitability of the CAP to UK needs. In exchange for renouncing the original rebate terms Blair ‘won’ for the UK a commitment from the other member states that a ‘full review’ of the CAP would follow. Blair, in other words, gave up something concrete in return for a lot of hot air.

  85. The disgusting MacShane profits from his prison sentence. Chutzpah. Most normal people would hang their heads in shame and keep a low profile.

    http://www.thebookseller.com/news/biteback-signs-macshane-prison-memoir.html

    The publisher is the oleaginous Iain Dale who signed up Damian MacBride if memory serves me correctly.

    Have you ever seen Dale on Sky News paper reviews with Jacqui Smith? Ugh!

  86. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    A few questions for Juncker. He’s not all you might expect from someone Cameron evidently loathes.

    http://www.globalwitness.org/blog/message-to-jean-claude-junker-will-you-publicly-back-eu-efforts-to-make-business-fairer/

  87. ‘Lebedev wants In.’

    Lebedev’s other organ yesterday had an interesting profile of Radek Sikorski, who must presently be having a big schadenfreude moment at Cameron’s expense.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/the-sikorski-set-the-polish-foreign-minister-has-locked-horns-with-cameron–but-their-history-goes-back-to-the-bullingdon-club-9564492.html

    One thing Sikorski has in common with expat Russian oligarchs, according to this article, is a soft spot for Cameron’s alma mater.

  88. Safe, fast, effective and unlicensed: Habbabreak

    Your sanity helper for Craig Murray’s blog.

  89. doug scorgie

    27 Jun, 2014 - 1:57 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    26 Jun, 2014 – 5:27 pm

    “I must say I feel rather spoilt this evening; it’s not every day that I have the opportunity to dole out some correction to two Eminences and a Useful Idiot within the space of quarter of an hour.”
    ————————

    But you don’t deny that your winkle has no foreskin, do you?

  90. “There is nothing in the least Eurosceptic about Cameron”

    No there isn’t, the City wouldn’t tolerate that. He may have promised a referendum but I’m not aware that he’s undertaken to abide by its result. It will be treated as an opinion poll.

  91. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:04 pm

    Doug – please do not give H’s maunderings – blocked for the cognoscenti by the admirable Habbabreak device* – the oxygen of publicity. Your entertaining responses provide enough information on what has prompted them.

    *it’s free. Try it.

  92. You think you’ve got problems?

    Habbabreak!
    Helping the Al-Hillis thread community, still going strong at 20,323 comments.

  93. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:24 pm

  94. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    20, 324.

  95. The French have a healthier disrespect for their political elite than the UK at the moment. Mrs Thatcher’s reform of that elite brought in a more grasping, more corporate and more brutal one, so it is reasonable to assume that when Thatcher spawn Cameron uses the word reform of the EU he wants to replace the current Federalist elite with a more grasping, more federal and more brutal one.

    Signs of that brutality from the EU have already been seen in the Ukraine. Signs of that increased federality have been seen in France’s air strikes in Libya, Mali and nearly Syria. Increased Graspingness have been seen in the daylight robbery of Ireland Greece, Spain and Portugal.

    We know what conservative politicians mean by Reform. Since it was Cameron who started the war in Syria using UK snipers against innocent demonstrators and Syrian army members, we would also expect to find more of the same in the project of Iraq/Syria.

    More graspingness, more federality and more brutality = Tory Reform.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article184372.html

  96. Hi Baal

    Not only does Habbabreak allow you to hide all comments by any person of your choice, there is also a special fun option to hide any comment which even mentions Habbabkuk (no matter who wrote it). This is retained as a legacy nod to inspiration.

    If you cannot see the check box for this special fun option you need to update to a newer version (simply click the install button).

  97. “the daylight robbery of Ireland Greece, Spain and Portugal”

    Indeed. Those who see the EU as a big happy clappy family and think we can only be stronger in rather than out seem not to have been paying attention.

  98. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    Does this explosion look like conventional ordnance?

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=18e_1398604088

    Who has these ‘Davy Crocket’ rockets?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54

  99. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    when Thatcher spawn Cameron uses the word reform of the EU he wants to replace the current Federalist elite with a more grasping, more federal and more brutal one.

    Only in a sense, IMO. He’s shit-scared – or the bankers are, which comes to the same thing – that their free pass in London will be modified by new EU controls on finance. What he’s looking for is less federalism…and more globalism, with torrents of funny money rushing through, but leaving useful puddles behind in, London. It’s debatable whether Juncker would actually apply the new regulatory proposals, but virtually certain that anything he did to transfer trade from London to Frankfurt and Paris would be deeply appreciated by his friends.

    Paradoxically, we’d have been in a rather stronger position to modify Europe if we’d bought into the Euro. But even further up economic shit creek, probably.

  100. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Fuel-air bomb, aka vacuum bomb, Ben. Everybody has them. Poor man’s nuke – you don’t need uranium to make a mushroom cloud. Just gasoline. Horrendous blast effect in immediate vicinity.

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:13 pm

    Mary

    “I was making the point that since Habbabreak came into existence people can end up talking to themselves with an audience of one. I believe I am on Ba’al’s Habbabreak. Fair enough. He’s welcome.”
    ___________________

    I hadn’t realised you’re on Ba’al’s Habbabreak.

    Of course, as far as Ba’al’s concerned,using Habbabreak provides a convenient alibi for not having to defend or justify his comments and points of view; after all, if you can claim you didn’t see a question, then you can be blamed for not answering, can you.

    And never responding to a challenge means that you can maintain that lofty air of infallibility, consisting of often dubious statements leavened by frequent essays at the epigram and the ready use of the gnomic comment.

    In point of fact, though, Ba’al is only pretending, because he’s fully aware of my posts through the fact that others respond to me even though my question was addressed to him and that he reads those responses. A case in point is the little discussion on the UK budget rebate, also on this thread: a question of mine to Ba’al is taken up and replied to by OldMark (I shall reply to him later today) and of course Ba’al, who has not applied Habbabreak to OldMark, is perfectly aware of the detail of the discussion and my original question.

    So not only is Ba’al copping out, he’s also lying when he claims ignorance of my posts. And that, by the way, is why he urges Mr Scorgie not to “feed” me (14h04) :)

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    “then you can be blamed for not answering, can you.”

    = “then you can’t be blamed for not answering, can you.”

    *****************

    BTW, what happened to Komodo

    (will the Mods’ “warning light” go on?)

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Yup, it just did! :)

  104. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Thanks, Afrend. Don’t think I’m quite that motivated to use it, but handy to know it’s there.

  105. doug scorgie

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    TFS
    27 Jun, 2014 – 9:22 am

    “OMG, this woman should have a stint on the Newsnight programme. Can you imagine the fallout?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=13PIF3hAYgc

    She certainly has the “gift of the gab.”

    “Comedian Russell Brand condemned Fox News as a “fanatical terrorist propaganda organization” during a heated, 10-minute tirade recorded on video and uploaded to the web this week.”

    http://rt.com/usa/168704-russell-brand-fox-news/

  106. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:25 pm

    “,using Habbabreak provides a convenient alibi for not having to defend or justify his comments and points of view; after all, if you can claim you didn’t see a question, then you can be blamed for not answering, can you.”

    Apparently, Havasack utilizes habbabreak.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/the-muddle-of-cameron/#comment-463143

  107. Well said OldMark 11:55am – I live in a parallel universe where neglect of the current representative ‘democracy’ is de rigueur thus looking through a worm-hole connected to our system I note a compuction from President Putin towards illegal war, proxy war, drone strikes, murder and disregard for the lives of indigenous citizens. The spectrum of bad lies in his favor.

  108. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    “Fulfilling a promise he made during his campaign for the Ukrainian presidency, Petro Poroshenko today signed a landmark association agreement with the European Union. This was the exact same document that Viktor Yanukovych was supposed to sign back in November before his last-minute reversal of course set off a string of mass protests that eventually culminated in his overthrow. Starting in the very near future, Ukraine-EU trade is going to undergo a sweeping liberalization, and the Ukrainian economy, which earlier enjoyed fairly robust tariff and non-tariff barriers, will become much more open to foreign goods and services.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/06/27/ukraine-russia-and-the-european-union-the-end-of-the-beginning/

    The EU triumphs again.

  109. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    The assumption that anyone could be blamed for not answering the troll is preposterous.

  110. Does anyone have any software that will block people posting about software to block people please?

  111. Fred

    Is that a feature request? I would do that if it would make you happy.

  112. I’m rather taken by Craig Murray’s suggestion that both Barack Obama and Li Kequiang, the leaders of the two most powerful nations in the world, were happy to dance to Cameron’s tune in connection with Scottish Independence.

    If true, this is surely clear evidence of Cameron’s diplomatic skills and Britain’s ability to punch way above its weight internationally.

  113. The NHS is still the best health service in the world, at the moment. Why change it?

    See the entry for June 19th.

    ‘NHS is world’s number 1 – so why the reforms?
    The respected American healthcare comparison organisation, the Commonwealth Fund, in its 2014 study, ranks the NHS as the best in the world for complex care patient services. The Kings Fund asks “why change it?”‘
    http://www.nhscampaign.org/news-and-views.html

  114. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    “So grad we aglee, Mr. Camelon. You want nucrear power station, we want invoice nucrear power station Scotland on same piece paper.”

  115. Another one for Cameron’s ‘Things To Do’ list.

    On Tuesday morning, David Cameron and his cabinet are going to sit down and decide on the future of our bees. Nearly 150,000 of us have already signed the petition demanding that he doesn’t allow banned Syngenta pesticides to be used on our fields.

    At 8am on Tuesday morning, we’re going to swarm on Downing Street and hammer the message home in person. We’re organising a public demonstration outside Number 10, so that as ministers arrive for the Cabinet meeting they realise how much public anger there still is about this issue and they’ll feel they’ve no choice but to protect our bees.

    Can you come along and swarm on Downing Street?
    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/events/save-our-bees-swarm-on-downing-street

    If you’re not able to make it on Tuesday morning, can you share the petition with your friends and family? The bigger we can make the petition, the more impact it will have when we hand it in to the Prime Minister.

    Please forward this email and ask them to click this link:
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/a-ban-is-a-ban

  116. doug scorgie

    27 Jun, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    Craig
    27 Jun, 2014 – 9:50 am

    “The more squeeze on Putin – who is a far more vicious killer than anybody currently in power in the West, even Obama – the better. The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chechnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.”

    Craig, you seem to have an obsession with Putin.

    I think that the Russian mafia have more to do with the murder of journalists than the state, though no doubt they have infiltrated the power structure.

    “A far more vicious killer than anybody currently in power…”

    A bit of back up on that statement would be appreciated.

    Perhaps you could start another thread naming and shaming British left organisations that support the Russian government’s crimes in Dagestan and Chechnya, that have undoubtedly, taken place.

    I don’t think you’ll find any.

    Criticism of the West does not equate to support for Putin.

  117. “War Matters is a new documentary chronicling 10 years of anti-war protest in Britain through the story of veteran peace campaigner Brian Haw, who camped in Parliament Square for over 10 years in protest against the UK government’s policies in the Middle East.”

    http://www.warmatters.com/

  118. Hi Fred

    Especially for you. Software that will block people posting about software to block people.

    Habbabreak Silencer!

    Another willing script from the free-love, open-source, no-money house of Afrend

  119. I suppose the UK is the strongest weak link in the neocon chain.

    The Poles and the other east Europeans are just there to make up the numbers, as the Polish foreign minister recently demonstrated with his blow-job analogy.

    BoE, interest rates to rise to 2.5%. Bye bye free money for the wealth owning middle class.

    Let’s just hope the Russians, Chinese and others don’t exit the London property market for better opportunities elsewhere. Remember, it’s only parked.

    Mark Carney has his first meeting with NI “leaders” to appraise them of what 2.5% interest rates and much much less than that in growth actually mean for a statelet totally dependent on govt spending.

    Oh dear, it’s so depressing.

    On a brighter note, looks as if the whole of Ireland is being prepared for much closer relations with queenie, just as Scotland goes walkies.

    Certainly looks as if the Scots have timed their exit well. Canny wotsits.

  120. Doug Scorgie

    “Criticism of the West does not equate to support for Putin.”

    You haven’t read any of the comment threads on the Ukraine then.

    I think the distinction that it is the mafia not the state who killed the journalists is otiose. The mafia controls the local authorities – governmental, judicial and police. At the level of the central state, the axis of the mafia, secret services and government is so seamless there is no point in distinguishing between them. Russia is the ultimate mafia state – in exactly the same way as, say, Bolivia in the 1970’s. I think you realise that.

  121. Mary is hammering on about her 38 degrees petition.

    As with so many things 38 degrees, the protest is against “corporate profits” rather than any rational understanding of the evidence.

    Bee populations are also declining in areas not subjected to neonicotinoid pesticide use. I’m not suggesting that neonicotinoids do not play a part in reducing bee populations, especially where misused, but that by focusing entirely on one possible factor to the detriment of all others, the denizens of 38 degrees and its largely ignorant urban signatories are more of a hindrance to bee conservation than an advantage.

    The message is a simple one: keep signing this petition and then Cameron will have to listen and then our bees will be Saved (and greedy Sygenta thwarted!!!).

    Then the denizens will move on to their next protest, forgetting entirely about the bees and the multitude of factors that have caused their decline, while they continue to decline.

  122. ‘The message is a simple one: keep signing this petition and then Cameron will have to listen and then our bees will be Saved (and greedy Sygenta thwarted!!!).’

    Exactly so. Here’s hoping.

    There’s another 38Degrees protest taking place today. At the Tesco AGM for a living wage for their employees. The campaign was initiated by one of their ex managers.

    I will keep you informed of further campaigns Anon. (Which Anon are you btw?) In spite of your disapproval, people are rising up. Sorry if that upsets you.

  123. It gets worse for Agent Cameron and the spin doctors. I spotted Craig Oliver behind him today. Where is Andy Coulson when he’s needed?

    Ex-Cameron aide Patrick Rock charged over abuse images
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28054433

    Vile if true.

  124. Craig, on Russia

    “At the level of the central state, the axis of the mafia, secret services and government is so seamless there is no point in distinguishing between them.”

    And how exactly do you think the US and UK are currently governed, other than by the above means.

    Perhaps it’s escaped your notice, but both entities have moved a long way from the halcyon post war days when bureaucratic checks and balances were the peeps protection.

    It can’t have escaped your notice that journalists and whistleblowers who deviate from the official script are likely to find themselves in difficulty.

    The difference of course is that US and UK are employing such measures to prevent their death, the Russians and Chinese to enable their birth.

    There will be no return to liberal democracy in the US or UK, but there’s every chance, indeed the necessity of that in Russia and China as growth takes hold.

  125. Herbie

    I quite agree with you that the situation in the UK, US etc is very much moving in the same direction. But to pretend that Russia is not much worse is ludicrous. But myself, Annie Machon, David Shayler, Dan Ellesberg, Ray McGovern etc are neither dead nor in jail. We would be so if we were whistleblowing in Russia – no doubt whatsoever. Dead, not in jail.

  126. Craig
    “At the level of the central state, the axis of the mafia, secret services and government is so seamless there is no point in distinguishing between them.”

    Fair enough. But something fairly similar can be said about western europe states. Maybe you would prefer something like:

    “At the level of the central state, the axis of the corporations, secret services and government is pretty seamless so there is no point in distinguishing between them.”

    Big deal. It is, at best, only a matter of degree. Perhaps it is only a matter of sophistication. The Russians are just more crude.

    Come on Craig. You have been pursued by your government for refusing to hide complicity in torture and muder. You must have seen people beaten because they dare to protest. You talk about Putinistas forgetting the people of Chechnya. Well I say you EU supporters forget the peoples of Afghanistan, Iraq, Mali and Libya. Let alone all the proxy wars supported by EU members. Let alone Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland. This is not a UK problem. All the major European governments are at it. And the smaller ones, as Baals comment about Junker’s history attest. The EU will not temper these problems. It will be subject to all the perversions the member states now suffer. Except more so. Bigger government can only exacerbate the aggression and murder of the corporate state. The only solution is to bring systems of governence closer to home.

    Down with the EU! Radical Decentralisation Now!

  127. Yes Droilin, Brian Haw was a great friend whom I loved dearly PBUH – and protest is recurrently de rigueur as Mary suggested in her ‘swarm’ on Downing Street. I myself suggest the noun ‘swarm’ which is of immense interest to me.

    We witness many swarms in nature often to frustrate a predator or better still provide a collective mind or consciousness that expands intelligence and serves to improve decision making.

    Bees for instance have been known to ‘swarm’ during flooding to compose a raft or pontoon using unfertilized eggs as buoyancy aids. Ants also swarm and communicate by pheromones to make the task of moving home easier and less dangerous.

    When humans ‘swarm’ they are of one purpose and through communication on a number of different levels that collective intellect united with the power of intention guarantees success against divide and rule and attempts to subvert or vitiate.

  128. Craig
    “But myself, Annie Machon, David Shayler, Dan Ellesberg, Ray McGovern etc are neither dead nor in jail.”

    What you take as a positive about western states is more a tribute to their success to otherwise quell dissent. Russia’s willingness to more readily imprison and kill dissidents is a sign of relative weakness.

    Maybe none of your list are much of a threat to the corporate state. The west works differently. Machon and Shayler lost all perspective and he has gone completely off the rails. You all basically still support the corporate state. You just want a nicer corporate state. This type of reformist opposition is perfectly acceptable to the state. There have always been elements of the establishment who hold exactly this position and it has changed nothing so far. In fact such liberal dissidence can be viewed as gate keepers of reasonable dissent. Defining the boundaries of complaint.

    And anyway, others are dead or imprisoned.

  129. Thanks for that Mark. I cannot say I was a friend of Brian’s but I admired him greatly and stopped to have a chat with him if I was up in London. Greatly missed. Ever cheerful and brave to have withstood all that pressure from the state operatives.

    Nothing ever came of erecting his statue. As if ‘they’ would have allowed it.

    Look at these blue rubber gloved hands. Shades of Abu Ghraib. What were they afraid of contracting? Human decency? Courage?

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/royal-eyesore-protesters-jeer-queen-on-her-way-to-parliament-6473195.html

  130. Yes Haw was a giant. Already he seems a figure of a time past.

    Have you seen the film Dreoilin? I know a few people in the trailer!

  131. According to the Torygraph Cameron has now defiantly roared that ” he may have lost the battle but he’ll win the war” with regard to EU/Juncker etc..

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    With insane tabloid rambling like that Cameron and his speechwriters really should be led away by the men in white coats.

    Complete madness using such language.

  132. “Have you seen the film Dreoilin? I know a few people in the trailer!”

    Not yet, Phil. I saw the trailer and I bought the film. I’ll be downloading it tonight. There was an option to either stream it or download it. (and I think to buy the DVD if you preferred.)

  133. I see from Mary’s link that Brian Haw’s T-shirt states “IRAQ 2,000,000 DEAD”.

    A new one to me and by all accounts a record-breaker, given that was in 2010.

    Craig went for one million the other day, so apparently double the amount of people had died four years ago than today.

    “Jives” plucked for 650,000.

    “Peacewisher”, going for the Brian Haw Award, tried for “A million about ten years ago”.

    “Je” reckoned it was 188,000.

    Just make it up as you go along.

  134. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 7:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “I think that the Russian mafia have more to do with the murder of journalists than the state, though no doubt they have infiltrated the power structure.”
    _________________

    A bit of back up for that statement would be welcome, Doug.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Criticism of the West does not equate to support for Putin.”
    ___________________

    Really? Have you been reading this blog lately, Doug?

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  135. Anon,

    No i didnt ‘pluck’ 650,000.

    That figure was from research from The Lancet,which i referenced at the time.

    Whether you believe The Lancet or not is a different issue.

    But i certainly didnt just ‘pluck’ the figure.

    Dont bother apologising,i wouldnt expect you too.

  136. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 7:26 pm

    “2,000,000 dead”

    Iraq costs about $2 Trillion, but the Judas Goat is not quite cooked yet.

  137. These bickerings about bodies count are disgusting. They are completely irrelevant to any conclusions we might draw from the wars.

  138. Would we expect the Iraq War 2 to be any different to the first one?

    “The policy of the American commander-in-chief, General Norman Schwarzkopf, was that the Iraqi dead were not to be counted. One of his senior officers boasted: “This is the first war in modern times where every screwdriver, every nail, is accounted for.” As for human beings, he added, “I don’t think anybody is going to be able to come up with an accurate count for the Iraqi dead.”

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/in-the-gulf-war-every-last-nail-was-accounted-for-but-the-iraqi-dead-went-untallied-at-last-their-story-is-being-tol

    So a nail,for example,is of more account to these twisted bastards…

  139. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    Craig

    I do hope that you are engaging with the likes of Herbie and Phil not in order to convince them but rather to demonstrate to the general reader with an open mind that they are fruitcakes.

    I love the latest line taken by Phil. Faced with the fact that in Russia, whistleblowers, crusading journalists and other dissidents tend to get killed, whereas in the West they tend not to, Phil finds the answer: they doin’t get killed in the West because they’re not dangerous enough! In other words, they’re not very good whistleblowers, crusading journalists and dissidents.

    A pretty pathetic line (which should not be dignified with the expression “line of reasoining”).

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 7:39 pm

    Phil

    “These bickerings about bodies count are disgusting.”
    _____________________

    Well, I’d just note that any bickering appears to be between the Eminences themselves, who put forward such widely different figures.

    All Anon is doing is to point out that fact.

    All he’s doing is exposing the Emperor’s nudity (sorry if that sounds too much like one of Ben’s lottle quips)

  141. “These bickerings about bodies count are disgusting. They are completely irrelevant to any conclusions we might draw from the wars.”

    I think they are quite relevant, Phil, given that certain parties see fit to massively exaggerate the numbers killed for political purposes. That’s the real sickness here, and it needs to be called out.

  142. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 7:48 pm

    ‘massively exaggerate’ the totality of abject failure in Iraq is what, a metaphor for re-inventing the idea of success?

    “Sorry sir, the hospital had some vacant beds, so the kill-list came up short.”

  143. Iraq: The things warmongers said
    June 27, 2014
    http://rt.com/op-edge/168872-iraq-things-warmongers-said/#

    ~~

    For those who want to know and who truly care, try Section 16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
    for definitive figures of those Iraqi people killed by the weaponry of the evil coalition.

    Remember too all those who died as an effect of the earlier sanctions and in the first Gulf war.

    They were ALL, every one of them, people – men, women and children – made of flesh and blood as we are too.

    Not forgetting the number of infants with birth defects
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/alerts-2013/741-damning-evidence-becomes-no-clear-evidence-much-delayed-report-on-congenital-birth-defects-in-iraq.html

    and the number of those made widow, widower, orphan, refugee……

    We all feel enormous shame.

  144. “Anon, No i didnt ‘pluck’ 650,000. That figure was from research from The Lancet, which i referenced at the time. Whether you believe The Lancet or not is a different issue.”

    650,000 is a good one. It’s about middling as far as wild guesstimates go, but not too wild so as to be laughed out of the forum. High enougb to sound suitably shocking, but not too high.

    Quite how the Lancet medical journal can be held up as some sort of authority on US-caused deaths in a part of the world virtually inaccessible to Westerners due to continued Muslim-on-Muslim violence is beyond me, but I’m sure the authors had their agenda.

    FWIW, I’m going to claim 8 million died in Iraq, and anyone who disagrees with me is trying to play down the numbers killed by the evil imperialist bastards. So there.

  145. Anon,

    Youre a very poor apologist for the disastrous Iraq war.

    I suppose in your rose-tinted world the toll was 29 killed.

    And a dog-but it was old anyway.

    Keep taking the coin Anon…

  146. technicolour

    27 Jun, 2014 - 9:54 pm

    What instructive discussions. Phil: it wasn’t actually the ‘EU’ which declared war on Afghanistan and Iraq, as I remember. It was the US. A number of EU states volunteered to participate, a number didn’t: those who didn’t were, like Germany threatened. As was, apparently, Iceland, which was not a member of the EU. Am I wrong here?

  147. Germany sent 5,350 soldiers and police to Afghanistan of which (as of May 2013) 57 have been killed.

    Seven members of the Iceland Crisis Reaction Unit (ICRU) currently work in Kabul. Three Icelanders were injured in a suicide bomb attack a few years ago.

  148. Technicolour

    Yes of course. I know it wasn’t the EU “declaring” war. Basically these wars are US led under the guise of NATO/UN/Nothing. But European countries who sent soldiers to Afghanistan (as peacekeepers hahaha) were (in order of numbers sent) UK, Germany, Italy, Poland, Romania, Spain, Denmark, France, Belgium, Sweden, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia, Lituania, Albania, Portugal, Finland, Norway, Bosnia, Latvia, Ireland, Austria.

    European countries who have a pro-corporate-state political class are…well all of them.

    Any hopes that the EU will be a democratic improvement on the individual nation states is deluded. Being bigger and more distant it can only be less accountable. Any impression that the EU parliament is currently slightly more democratic is merely a reflection of it’s current impotence. The forces of darkness will focus if and when the power moves. We need to keep our political classes closer to were we live. The EU is the exact opposite of what we need.

    What is the precedent for an accountable just giant government? None. I suggest the USSR, China and the US clearly support this argument.

    Down with the EU! Radical Decentralisation Now!

  149. Youre a very poor apologist for the disastrous Iraq war. Whether permitting a gesture is in order Jives:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK12wgs2mvA&list=PLZjJ47ARM6bdqKvDjG-wexDzhM183WAkP

  150. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:52 pm

    I remember the former professional football player, Mark

    “This war is fuckin’ illegal”

    -The Ghost of Pat Tillman.

  151. Is it not becoming quite likely now that the UK (as a whole) will leave the EU, and that the only way Scots will be able to stay in the EU is if they vote for independence?

  152. Iceland is a wonderful example of how the people’s closeness to their legislature and politicians, can itself be the defining act.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qieVZb4Ml9I

    This leader of Iceland makes much sense than any of ours.

    Anyone remember the Cod War. They’re fighters, these Vikings.

    Anyone remember Broon’s and BBC’s repeated threats against these most independent people.

    They told them to fuck off, and now they’re on the up again…

  153. Did Broon not end up calling the whole country a turrrrst or something equally deranged?

  154. You still haven’t correcte “Obama and Keqiang”. It looks incredibly amateurish.

  155. Oops, ‘correcte’ should be ‘corrected’.

  156. Yes Herbie thanks and exactly right. Funny that the Icelandic democratic experiment does not make it into the corporate media very often.

  157. “Iceland is a wonderful example of how the people’s closeness to their legislature and politicians, can itself be the defining act”

    Yes, a fine example of the triumph of democracy over corporate looting. Still, they’re probably just ‘Little Icelanders’.

  158. Under Mr Muddle’s and Mr Cleggover’s rule, there is talk of flogging off OUR parks and open spaces and of paying to use them by membership. Another YCNMIU.

    Park Users Could Be Asked To Pay By Councils
    Britain’s parks and green spaces are “on the edge of a precipice” because of funding cuts, says the Heritage Lottery Fund.http://news.sky.com/story/1291029/park-users-could-be-asked-to-pay-by-councils

    Put out to test the waters by Dame Jenny Abramsky, of the Heritage Lottery Fund and late of the BBC.

    Over my dead body Dame Jenny!

    She has no financial worries except what to do with the loot.

    ~~~
    With a £4m pension pot, the BBC’s Jenny Abramsky isn’t shy …
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/With-4m-pension-pot-BBCs-Jenny-Abramsky-is...
    20 Apr 2008 – A BBC director will receive what is thought to be the public sector’s biggest pension pot when she retires this autumn. Jenny Abramsky, 61, will …

    BBC splashes out on lavish £11,000 leaving party for Jenny …
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/BBC-splashes-lavish-11-000-leaving-party-n...
    15 Aug 2009 – Bit of a do: Jenny Abramsky’s leaving party was funded by £11,000 of … she contributed to the BBC’s generous final salary pension fund – which …

    Jenny Abramsky, are you retiring comfortably? – Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk › Comment › Personal View
    13 Jul 2008 – The airwaves are buzzing at news of the head of BBC radio’s £4m pension package, writes William Langley.

  159. Taboo archive video of Aegis contractors killing iraq civilians.

    This is a response to the recent ‘Blackwater’ footage which is in reality footage from Aegis(British version of Blackwater) which was released by a disgruntled employee Rod Stoner.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c15_1333825385

    Mea culpa – the music is a bit loud.

    My contact is a contractor for this ex Para outfit on £filthy/day + expenses in a clandestine operation to ‘expose’ the Syrian army.

  160. “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

    – Martin van Creveld, Israeli professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. In an interview in the Dutch weekly magazine: Elsevier, 2002, no. 17, p. 52-53.

  161. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    28 Jun, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “FWIW, I’m going to claim 8 million died in Iraq, and anyone who disagrees with me is trying to play down the numbers killed by the evil imperialist bastards. So there.”

    “A pretty pathetic line (which should not be dignified with the expression “line of reasoining”).

    “exaggerate the numbers killed for political purposes. That’s the real sickness here, and it needs to be called out.”

    yes you are a sick puppy anon.

    It is too convenient to forget the discussions and national debate that happened in Germany before they grudgingly, remember they opposed the war with Iraq, were armtwisted, because now it was a NATO concern all in a sudden, not that NATO had a problem with it, just some of its warmongering members.

    Idiots start wars, and they do it for money, because they have switched off, sown their mouth shut, letting themselves to be guided by their inner neanderthal( used to be Schweinehund).

  162. How dare they, but they would wouldn’t they!

    Israel offers to help Arab states fight ISIL
    Israeli FM says ISIL is a ‘threat to all countries of the region’, calls on Arab states to ‘stand together against the threat’
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-offers-help-arab-states-fight-isil/262933845

    Below the headline there is a nice photo of Kerry greeting Lieberman at the US Embassy residence in Paris yesterday.

  163. Agent Cameron should have signed up to one of the negotiation master classes run by Charles Crawford, one of Craig’s erstwhile colleagues in the FCO. Crawford has been busy today giving one such class. He puts them on at the Guardian HQ at King’s Place.

    https://twitter.com/CharlesCrawford

  164. O/T I thought of you last evening!. The parliament channel were broadcasting Hodge’s Public Affairs Committee grilling some DEFRA dummies on the collapsed Norfolk incinerator project and the amount of compo awarded.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/public-accounts-committee/inquiries/parliament-2010/defras-oversight-of-3-pfi-waste-projects1/

  165. That note was for you Nevermind.

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 Jun, 2014 - 9:14 pm

    Mary

    If you will insist on playing footsie with Nebel-mind, can’t you do it by direct email to him rather than in public on this blog?

    You’re too old for this sort of fun and games and it’s downright embarrassing.

  167. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    29 Jun, 2014 - 11:17 pm

    Thanks for the Aegis kink, Mark.

    The CEO of Aegis (also ex-MP. appropriately enough, for Crawley, and serving MP for Mid Sussex) is Nicholas “Fatty” Soames, details of whose comfortable circumstances are seen here-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Soames

    Soames was recently knighted –

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-27834269

  168. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    29 Jun, 2014 - 11:18 pm

    …mistyped email gave me new avatar, sorry.

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