BBC Lawbreaking

by craig on June 8, 2014 10:46 am in Uncategorized

I despair sometimes that society as a whole has lost all sense of how a democracy ought to operate.  State abuse has become the norm.

I am astonished that there is not greater reaction to the BBC role in Obama’s statement against Scottish independence.  It is now confirmed that not only did No. 10 ask Obama to make the statement, they set up the BBC to ask the question that prompted it.

For a state broadcaster, with a legal obligation to neutrality in the referendum campaign, actively to participate in a stunt plainly aimed to boost one side in the campaign is beyond disgraceful.  There is obviously a realisation at the BBC that they have done something very wrong indeed – all of the BBC’s own coverage with unprecedented reticence omitted totally the fact that it was the BBC that asked the question.

This ought to be an absolutely huge scandal which leads to resignations at the BBC.  Yes, it is not unprecedented for officials to ask a journalist to ask a helpful question.  The Tories might well ask the Sun or Telegraph to ask them something.  But it is a completely different thing when it is a state broadcaster legally obliged to neutrality and part of a referendum or election campaign.

That the BBC truthful report that there were no WMD’s in Iraq led to forced resignations, while this twisted propaganda interference has no result, is a sign of the collapse of democratic values in society – and the expectation of them.

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  1. What astonished me was that Obama said two things. Neither were a surprise. One was that he’d prefer Scotland to. Stay in the UK. The other was that he wanted the UK to stay in the EU. Why this latter statement was almost wholly unreported is beyond me. It’s the BBC and Nick Robinson running with the Tories.

  2. I listened with interst, but ultimately great disappointment, to yesterday’s recording of Any Questions, on BBC radio 4. The bias of the audience was of Ukranian proportions, with a roar of approval for anything pro-Union, and a ripple of polite applause, or even boos, for anti-union statements.

    This was particularly true in the question involving Obama, and those who dared to engage in “Obama-denial” got quite a rough ride. One thing I did learn from this programme, however. There is a very strong pro-union theme being directed through twitter. In the interests of democracy, social media ought to be subject to the same controls as public broadcasting at pre-election times.

  3. Patrick Roden

    8 Jun, 2014 - 11:09 am

    @ Haward, Remember, Dave wants the UK to stay in Europe, he just wants to change the relationship.

    People have reached that dangerous stage where they feel it is pointless to complain, because ‘they are all the same’ and nothing will change.

    Depressing sometimes!

  4. Question time is a staged event were propaganda is cemented into the wider public who calls itself politicall engaged.
    Nothing will change this, because we have also forgotten on how to unite, reagrdless of our own small/great points and differences.

    The BBC is really weak, this is just another show to prove it. Their insecurity over tenure, their set in their way MI controlled news agenda, demands that they suck up to party of the day.
    One could think that only a license/ tax boycott can change this.

    What off those interlectuals who profess to be democrats at heart, what of the Charter 88 campaign and their demands for a fairer voting system?
    Such a referendum should ideally be run by the electoral Commission, not by the politicians it involves and directs.

    But the electoral Commission is in the same boat as the BBC, a bloated clique who’s wages are dependent on a franchise from the party of the day.

    Tax boycott anyone? we can do what Starbucks does all the time.

  5. Lord Palmerston

    8 Jun, 2014 - 11:30 am

    > a sign of the collapse of democratic values

    No, it’s a sign of democratic values doing their work. Voters don’t care about your legality, neutrality, etc. If they have any rational basis at all for how they vote, it’s usually in the form “what’s in this for me?”. They therefore tend to choose politicians who are most skillful at presentation and flattery, qualities not entirely congruent with probity.

    We do live in interesting times. Where will our downward spiral take us next?!

  6. As a genuine question, does the BBC actually have a legal obligation to neutrality in this situation?
    As a State Broadcaster, is it not obliged to serve the interests of the State, however broadly defined? The elected government of any State should be the determiner of what the States’s interests actually are, if this determination is left to the unelected we get into the world of Spycatcher.
    Surely a State is not obliged to be indifferent to the question of its own future
    ?

  7. Probity R.I.P. esp. when governments murder citizens they have a duty to protect and national security is used against them to hide truth.

    As an example New York has an encapsulated surge of lung cancer, multiple melanomas or ‘Hiroshima’ disease… -kept under wraps??

    Where will our downward spiral take us next?!

    http://www.islamtimes.org/vdcawine649nae1.tgk4.html

  8. Well, Tim, if that is so why should the public finance a state megaphone that is not operating on voters mandate, but is pursued/obsessed by vested interests?

    The BBC is long overdue for a break up, and Lord Coeey is not the right person to achieve such change.
    Its past support of criminally insane abusers, their clique employment policies, not to speak of their policies of criminalising those who do not heed their demand for this license tax, all points to the ministry of Truth.

    It is doing this nationally and locally, its not that our local stations are un biased. Here in Norfolk the BBC’s Nickolas Conrad, will always come out in favour of his own nest, the local establishment and their interests, he has no crux with challenging the established order or the Tory Mafia.

  9. Nevermind – true, but the State gets taxes for all sorts of things voters disapprove of.

    I am interested in the immediate desire people have to label things they disapprove of as “illegal”. As Was said of Napoleon ordering an execution. Worse than a crime it was a mistake. Whether something can be (narrowly) described as legal does not make it OK.

  10. @Nevermind. I’m with you on that one. Tnhe state may well want to protect itself but if it is acting in its own interests and against the peoples’ interests why should they pay it to further subjugate them…

  11. Thanks Tim, you must be as livid as I am over the CoE’s banning its clergy from affilliations to the BNP/National Front, as if it is their remit and desire to influence politics.

    The ban, imho, was aimed at UKIP and its supporters, it says, watch out you might be next and it has exchanged a moral high horse for a rather priggish donkey, mind after the revelations of their past picadillos they deserve an ass for a ride.

  12. What I can’t understand is why the Scottish govt or SNP don’t sue the BBC? Is it legally not possible?

  13. Scouse Billy

    8 Jun, 2014 - 12:52 pm

    Mark, you may be interested in “Voices From The Grave”, a presentation by Wayne Madsen which covers and fleshes out the Carnaby story along with DC Madam, Barbara Palfrey and Phil Marshall:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNsh-1p8us8

  14. It is truly outrageous, but I am most happy about it, as it may get people not only involved in stopping Obama’s world governance but also alert them to man-made surprises like earthquakes, tsunamis, and the like to get them to do his bidding.

  15. larry Levin

    8 Jun, 2014 - 1:08 pm

    does the bbc have duty to be impartial according to its charter.?

  16. Nevermind – I am clearly too stupid to get the connection. For the record, the CofE is still the State religion, but seems at least clever enough to have realised that BNP affiliated clergy would be bad for business. I understand that the CPGB was officially atheist, so they should not have faced the problem from the other political direction.

  17. Craig:
    “This ought to be an absolutely huge scandal which leads to resignations at the BBC.”

    Yes indeed, but the fact that it doesn’t lead to resignations at the BBC is not just a reflection of the values of the BBC and our ‘democracy’ at present. It becomes the baseline from which future judgements are made.
    In the future, the BBC can overstep this particular boundary in the knowledge that ….
    (a) it has done so before and got off with it.
    (b) the public’s expectations of neutrality have been lowered by the previous incident.

    This sort of effect is constantly occurring in our ‘democracy’. Every time a politician/corporation/government body/public figure survives the exposure of their wrong-doings, it becomes easier to repeat it in the future. The boundaries of survivable illegality are being constantly rolled outwards.

    I wonder if controlled exposure of wrongdoing in some circumstances isn’t a deliberate policy to create a society which increasingly has given up on holding its leaders to account.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jun, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    Peacewisher

    “In the interests of democracy, social media ought to be subject to the same controls as public broadcasting at pre-election times.”
    ____________________

    That, if I may say so, is a remarkably sinister statement.

    *******************

    I would not wish to live in the kind of world you and various Eminences have in mind.

  19. The press conference (ie where the corporate media stooges were called in turn by Agent Cameron and Obomber in turn to ask pre-arranged questions) was being shown on the Parliament Channel repeatedly yesterday.

    Briefings
    G7 – Obama and Cameron News Conference
    Image for G7 – Obama and Cameron News Conference
    Not currently available on BBC iPlayer
    Duration: 45 minutes

    Recorded coverage of President Obama and prime minister David Cameron holding a joint news conference at the G7 in Brussels, from Thursday 5 June.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b047qlr6

    and three times more –
    BBC Parliament
    Sat 7 Jun 2014
    22:00

    BBC Parliament

    BBC Parliament
    Sun 8 Jun 2014
    01:55

    BBC Parliament

    BBC Parliament
    Sun 8 Jun 2014
    05:05

    Outrageous.

    DISMANTLE THE BBC

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jun, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    Tim

    “As a genuine question, does the BBC actually have a legal obligation to neutrality in this situation?
    As a State Broadcaster, is it not obliged to serve the interests of the State, however broadly defined? The elected government of any State should be the determiner of what the States’s interests actually are, if this determination is left to the unelected we get into the world of Spycatcher.
    Surely a State is not obliged to be indifferent to the question of its own future
    ?”
    _____________________

    I was about to make exactly the same point.

    Very well said (or asked, if you will).

    As a complement : I see the sense in the BBC being even-handed when it comes to elections since the elected govt gets to define the interests of the State (as you correctly note). But this is a referendum not an election, and moreover a referendum the outcome of which will determine the extent of the State in the future. I see no reason, therefore, for either the State not to take a position against independence or for the BBC to follow the line of the State.

  21. I said here yesterday that the Bitter Together crowd are getting desperate. They have abandoned Acanchi/Esler and are now employing Saatchis.

    ~~

    Alex Salmomd was on Marr this morning but I did not watch it. Switched off after a surfeit of Lagarde whom Marr described afterwards as sophisticated and soignée. What a crawler. I think she is rather masculine.

    Scottish independence: Alex Salmond dismisses more powers pledges
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27753059

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jun, 2014 - 2:07 pm

    Til

    “I am interested in the immediate desire people have to label things they disapprove of as “illegal”.”
    ______________________-

    That observation is also pertinent. The desire you mention merely reflects emotion and is usually based on erroneous readings or interpretations of law.

  23. Wait for the ConDem SPADs to arrive here. Those that have not been sacked recently that is.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jun, 2014 - 2:08 pm

    Value Plus

    “What I can’t understand is why the Scottish govt or SNP don’t sue the BBC? ”
    _________________

    Sue it for what, exactly?

  25. Tim, you are not stupid at all, just to say that these lines are blurred between the done thing and excesses.

    “Whether something can be (narrowly) described as legal does not make it OK”

    Tax evasion is technically illegal, but it is OK to do it here, is it not. The COfE might be as pompous to describe itself as the state religion, but that does not mean its ok for them to meddle in politics.

    Are we not all gods children? and who will be next on their little list?

    The BBC serves them all, there is a clear support for the existing establishment, not the democratic manipulated mandate.
    Should it be illegal to pervert the cause of democracy as a public servant? Here is a small local example.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/dismay_in_reydon_over_southwold_s_go_it_alone_plan_1_3633304

  26. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jun, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    Mary on the subject of Mme Lagarde

    “I think she is rather masculine.”
    ______________________

    What, I wonder, are we to make of the above remark, which I suppose contains a note of criticism?

    Does it mean, for example, that, in general, female leaders and politicians should “look (more) feminine”?

    Or is it specific to Mme Lagarde, in the sense that she lacks certain (undefined) “feminine characteristics” and that this supposed lack somehow impairs her in her function and actions?

    Or might it even indicate that Mary believes that women (most of whom, by definition, look more feminine than masculine) are better leaders than men?

    I suspect that answer there will come none…

    _____________________

    Habbabkuk against racism, fascism and sexism.

  27. Another post presenting the same old same old as a surprise.

    Lawbreaking? LLLOL. Quick, let’s compose a letter from news junkie groundhog day lala land:

    Dear President of the EU,

    The UK prime minister is lying and the US President is joining in. Then the BBC broadcast their lies. I am surprised. Please help us.

    Yours
    CM, Ex ambassador, human rights activist

    p.s. I did vote Green recently.

  28. Who are the Greens? I thought the BBC had officially established that UKIP should now be regarded as the protest party.

  29. Yes, it should cause a scandal. I would suggest that the reason it doesn’t (or hasn’t) is because this sort of thing has been going on for so long; at least since the Bliar era. People just notice it a bit more when their ideas/opinions/party etc. are on the receiving end of the unfairness. The Beeb are past masters at fobbing off/ignoring complaints even from some relatively big hitters.

    It is worth pointing out that Salmond and the S.N.P. have some clout. Not as much as others, perhaps, but more than some poor sod on a council estate or even a local councillor who gets caught with his hand up a fair maid’s blouse or makes an utterance of which the neutral and impartial Beeb disapproves.

    Essentially these people have a sense of self-importance and impunity which is jaw-dropping. The sooner the licence fee is canned and they have to go out and find proper jobs the better.

  30. The 6 posts (so far) from Habbabkuk are either interrogatory, diversionary or interjectory.

  31. “Who are the Greens?”

    They are the next great hope who will never be corrupted until the day they are. Then we, the political revolutionaries of News Junky Groundhog Day Lala Land, will be extremely surprised.

    “I thought the BBC had officially established that UKIP should now be regarded as the protest party.”

    Yes that’s true, but (spoiler alert) Craig will next week be revealing that the BBC lie.

  32. Scots Vote: ‘English Politicians Keep Out’
    An exclusive Sky News/YouGov poll shows voters in Scotland want politicians south of the border to stay away from the debate.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1277753/scots-vote-english-politicians-keep-out

    including a quote from Hague –

    ‘He told the Murnaghan Programmne: “This is for the Scottish people to decide, of course.
    We all have a stake in it though, it is about the whole future of the United Kingdom. It will effect us all.”

    He said it was important therefore that the British government is able to set out its view of the facts along with everyone else.’

  33. I’m sure that Sky meant to say ‘….affect us all’.

  34. Truth is we can do nothing, legally, about the BBC and the Electoral Commission has no power over them.Only the BBC Board can do anything over output. They are protected by law. So other than protest, and what good is that, nothing can be done.
    Of course they play that fact to the hilt, fine example was Politics Scotland today Sunday.

    First we had the great J.Reid, free to spout all he wanted with deliberately feeble interrogation by G Brewer, all pushing the Union cause to the hilt.
    Then there was the “Stories of the week” again spouting Reid, then they went on about Obama’s “intervention in the referendum debate. All within a half an hour.

    Despicable stuff.If anything, could have been done about their bias, then I guess they would not be doing it. Because they have no threat, they have a happy playing field. All against Scottish democracy. They are so corrupt, yet are the first to encourage “foreign” democracy (as long as it suits the British state’s interests.

    It makes you sooo angry, but they cannot be challenged except morally, and they have no morals to work with.

  35. Sorry, previous post – Not the BBC Board, the BBC Trust ( trust?, that’s a laugh!)

  36. “Yes, it should cause a scandal. I would suggest that the reason it doesn’t (or hasn’t) is because this sort of thing has been going on for so long; at least since the Bliar era.”

    Bliar?

    Maybe we, the political revolutionaries of News Junky Groundhog Day Lala Land, have forgotten what happened yesterday. Or at least, say, the miners strike or the 1926 general strike.

  37. Ref Haig on Sky News

    “He said it was important, therefore, that the British government is able to set out its view of the facts along with everyone else.”

    Problem is, their facts as they call them, are almost ( if not all) are made up by misrepresentation or downright lies. Cameron takes the high ground, ( he always quotes, he does not have a vote) But orchestrates all the lies that come out of Westminster. Although, he will not debate the issue, he is a coward of the highest order, as is his government.

  38. Phil,
    Please spell out your message without sarcasm. I can’t work out whether you are accusing Craig of being an establishment agent, or just of being naive by your standards.
    Or something else?

  39. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 4:06 pm

    I missed this by a mile on Poro’s speech.

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/06/poroshenkos-message-to-novorossiia-and.html

    “Poroshenko’s inauguration speech has sent a message to Novorossiia and Russia:

    No federalization
    No state status for the Russian language
    No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
    Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
    Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine.
    He could not have been any clearer: that is basically a declaration of war and an ultimatum. This is also a full endorsement of the “Banderastan project”.

    Clearly, the US has prevailed over the hoplessly spineless EU leaders like Merkel or Hollande and the AngloZionists will have their way.”

    Nazis lost the War didn’t they? I’m afraid the EU is just as culpable as the US if this is truly a declaration of war and it seems so.

  40. Yes, the BBC is very obviously in breach here of its own guidelines of impartiality, which were negotiated and agreed with Ofcom and the Electoral Commission. The guidelines are here:

    http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/guidelines/editorialguidelines/pdfs/2014ReferendumGuidelinesFinal130314.pdf

    The BBC is NOT entitled to argue the government line as the state line in the referendum, any more than it is entitled to do so in a General Election. That argument, made by several commenters above, is pish.

  41. “The BBC truthful report” only appeared when Iraq was destroyed and occupied for Israel after murdering over one million Iraqi men, women and children. In 2011, Lord Owen, former UK foreign secretary, cried that the US occupation of Iraq made Iran the most powerful country in the region.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/12/17/lord-owen-iran-is-the-most-powerful-country-in-the-region/

  42. Letter of complaint to the Trust c/o its director Kroll Craig before he retires at the end of the month.

    Trust Unit Director Nicholas Kroll to retire from the BBC
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press_releases/2014/nicholas_kroll.html

    Note Nicholas’s salary and remuneration is published as part of the BBC’s Annual Report and Accounts. For 2012/13, his base pay was £238,680 and his total remuneration was £246,480. Further information is on the BBC’s Annual Report and Accounts website.

    The Trust Unit

    The Trust is supported by a team of 70 staff, known as the Trust Unit. These staff are independent from the BBC Executive and include specialists in audience research, performance analysis, and finance. The Trust Unit is headed by its Director, Nicholas Kroll.

    In 2007/08, the BBC Trust cost £11.909 million to run; in 2008/09, £10.517 million; and in 2009/10, £10.502 million, excluding Ofcom fees.

    ~~~

    How about applying?

    Culture secretary posts ad for new BBC Trust chairman
    Salary for four-year role to remain at £100,000 a year, with Lord Patten successor expected to lead discussions on royal charter
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/30/culture-secretary-advertisement-bbc-trust-chairman-lord-patten

    We are in danger of getting Coe who is giving it ‘much thought’. In other words he has already had the offer.

  43. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    Isn’t part of the media’s role to educate the masses? BBC et al failure.

    “Two-thirds (66 per cent) of the public estimate that 20,000 or fewer civilians and combatants have died as a consequence of the war in Iraq since 2003

    – See more at: http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/poll-shows-public-odds-reality-iraq-war/4968#sthash.fXBxpbEQ.dpuf

  44. ANode

    You make a good point. I have today moved my default position on from anger to sarcasm. However, I did think I was being fairly clear. No, I was not suggesting CM is an agent. I am suggesting that being surprised day after day, post after post, about things that have happened for, well, yonks leaves us stuck in a useless rut of dumb news consumption.

    Jesus fucking harry h bolloxing christ the BBC has always been state propaganda. See the 1926 link provided earlier.

    I actually like the phrase political revolutionaries of the News Junky Groundhog Day Lala Land and shall use it again. This repetition has a poetry to it for me. And we fucking love poetry round here. It is my feeble attempt to be less dull. To step beyond: The BBC lie! I am surprised! I am sooooooo angry! Here’s a link to media fucking lens!

    Anyway I am off to my “Make Friends By Managing Your Wild Fluctuations Between Sarcasm And Anger” workshop and then to sink six stellas. I’ll pop back later if you want to chat.

  45. Craig – I’ve not seen all the reports on this – you say it’s confirmed that Downing St set up the question, and I certainly believe that, but can you point me towards this confirmation as I’d like to be able to use this further…

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jun, 2014 - 4:51 pm

    “The BBC is NOT entitled to argue the government line as the state line in the referendum, any more than it is entitled to do so in a General Election. That argument, made by several commenters above, is pish.”
    __________________________

    But surely the BBC is entitled to argue the State’s line (of which the govt in office is merely the voice); and it is entirely natural that the State should wish to maintain itself as presently constituted.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    More generally: I’ve read the BBC guidelines you linked to and they seem fair enough.

    Please indicate whether you think the problem lies in the guidelines themselves (eg, they are too lax, they are insufficiently clear, etc..)or in the allegation that they are being breached (if the latter, please supply specific cases of BBC behaviour and cross-reference to the guideline(s) you claim is/are being violated).

  47. There we have Orwellian habby again.

    Trotting out the statist line.

    Auntie will decide what’s best for all.

  48. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    “But surely the BBC is entitled to argue the State’s line (of which the govt in office is merely the voice); and it is entirely natural that the State should wish to maintain itself as presently constituted.”

    Oh yes. They are merely guilty of benign neglect and only wish for their own survival.

    ‘Not Guilty’ your honor due to permanent obsiquium.

  49. “Yes, the BBC is very obviously in breach here of its own guidelines of impartiality…The BBC is NOT entitled to argue the government line as the state line in the referendum, any more than it is entitled to do so in a General Election.”

    Guidelines! They have broken guidelines! I didn’t expect that! Mr president de la EU please send some eurocops now!

    Meantime here is a link to media lens.

  50. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    It’s the same in the US for the Team Players.

    Old Journalism is a cottage industry these days. It’s a smaller market and fewer cash returns.

    If one’s credentials don’t display the proper status under these new Shield Laws, they could be cut off from access to critical sources. Becoming a team-player at Pressers and Meets of all kinds is like having the last word at their fated cocktail parties.

  51. Craig Evans

    8 Jun, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Craig,

    I have given up on the BBC, the way the BBC Scotland is being manipulated and it journalists sidelined or dismissed during this important period is incredible.

    Hopefully in the future, the manipulation of the MSM will become a case study in state manipulation.

    I campaign actively for the YES campaign but it is discouraging to be bombarded on a daily basis with misinformation and lies by the state organs that I pay for through my taxes.

    If only I ca persuade the missus to not renew the TV licence later this month!

  52. I wouldn’t get in a lather, just don’t watch it. Don’t pay their TV Tax. There simply is not enough time in the world to read all the books you want to read, grow wildlowers, root up dock leaves, ride bikes, cure rust, shoo nosy cats, lift tatties, cut your toenails etc., without the grievous mental harm TV can cause and the time wasted when you could actually be getting things done best not left undone. I’ve hardly watched any TV since 1991 (Shock and Awe 1, in Iraq, beamed triumphantly by the new-fangled News-24) so can hardly see what all the fuss is about, had been tapering off viewing since leaving school in 1985, sickened by the miner’s defeat and the BBCs role in that battle; in my 40s and thus in the twilight of my life, I had thought I was probably the last TV-hooked generation, and purposefully sought to eliminate it, to break my addiction, it had simply lost the wonder it had possessed for me as a child growing up in the 1970s -in colour. It isn’t intellectual snobbery, there just isn’t time any more for such idleness and passivity combined with actual mental and physical harm their disgusting lies and disinformation must cause.

    Post-independence this will not change, I certainly will not support with a license fee or similar compulsory extortion anything having the least connection with the existing BBC, some new SBS (Scottish Broadcasting Service) will get short shrift when they pass round the begging bowl, and should be shunned by all, I’d tell them to worry less about their jobs and worry about their continued liberty instead because from where I’m standing this organisation has copious amounts of blood on its hands and its higher echelons will not –cannot evade a certain and colossal reckoning for the harm it does.

    The problem with the BBC ‘job for life’ staff is that airbrushing the deep shame and embarassment of any connection with this disgraced organisation from their CVs might leave a yawning chasm impossible to fill, I’d suggest they cover this gap by falsely admitting to having spent those many years behind bars in prison for some awful crime, or to have been inmates of a mental institution, the latter isn’t so far removed from the truth.

  53. Craig, you used the word “ought” twice and that reminded me of the great philosopher and fellow Scot, David Hume, with whom you’d no doubt be quite familiar.

    So often in this blog’s comments section are quarrels that arise from the problem that David Hume expounded on. The “is vs ought” problem. I think it’s essential reading, like much of Hume’s work.

    A primer on is/ought :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem

  54. Would there be the same level of outrage at the BBC if Obama had said that he supports independence?

  55. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 6:29 pm

    “Would there be the same level of outrage at the BBC if Obama had said that he supports independence?”

    Probably more so. Maybe he should just STFU. It’s none of his beeswax.

  56. I’d say that Obama’s declaration of support for the Union is little more than a favor to Cameron and gang.

    Were it a declaration of US foreign policy he’d have been more emphatic and it wouldn’t have needed setting up by the Unionist gang.

    The US doesn’t see the issue as a core interest.

    That’s very interesting in itself and it does sit well with their more general contempt for European interests so far as their projects in Ukraine and elsewhere have shown.

    It certainly wouldn’t be the first time European interests have been sacrificed to US hegemony.

  57. Bugger (the Panda)

    8 Jun, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    ValuePlus

    The BBC operates under the rules of its Charter, which obliges it be be fair, honest truthful and unbiased (or words to that end).

    They also have what I call the Prime Directive which allows them not to follow the above if in doing so they would support the disintegration of the United Kingdom (again my words).

    The organisation which adjudicates whether complaints concerning their lack of adherence to the rules of the Charter is the BBC Trust, appointed by the BBC Governors, who are appointed by a method which bears no relevance to the viewers.

    I have seen letters in reply to complaints to the BBC which have challenged the bias and distortions of specific broadcasts and overall bias, which say they (the BBC) have no obligation to be unbiased.

    The BBC is an arm of the propaganda fabric which we have been swallowing day and night since its inception by Reith.

    Post a Yes vote, the BBC is finished in Scotland and are in fact becoming one of the reasons many Scots want a Yes vote; to shut them down.

  58. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 7:09 pm

    “You can choose whatever name you like for the two types of government. I personally call the type of government which can be removed without violence “democracy”, and the other “tyranny”.

    Karl Popper—

    As quoted in Freedom: A New Analysis (1954) by Maurice William Cranston, p. 112

  59. I can’t remember if I have posted this before but if not, I OUGHT to have done so.

    Scotlandshire: BBC Scotland Coverage Of The Independence Referendum

    24 March 2014 By David Cromwell

    The BBC’s ‘Amazing Litany’ Of Bias

    Coverage of the Scottish independence referendum, due to be held on September 18 this year, is a compelling example of the deep establishment bias of the corporate media. Some critics have characterised the BBC’s coverage, in particular, as though Scotland is merely a region or a county of the United Kingdom called ‘Scotlandshire’.

    The establishment, pro-Union bias of ‘mainstream’ coverage emerges clearly from a careful analysis by an experienced media academic, and by the BBC’s reprehensible attempt to rubbish both the study and its author. The year-long study was conducted by a small team led by Professor John Robertson of the University of West Scotland. Between 17 September 2012 – 18 September 2013, the team recorded and transcribed approximately 730 hours of evening TV news output broadcast by BBC Scotland and Scottish Television (STV). The study concluded that 317 news items broadcast by the BBC favoured the ‘No’ campaign (i.e. no to Scottish independence) compared to just 211 favourable to the ‘Yes’ campaign. A similar bias in favour of the ‘No’ campaign was displayed by STV. Overall, there was a broadcaster bias favouring the ‘No’ campaign by a ratio of 3:2. In other words, there was 50 per cent more favourable coverage to the ‘No’ campaign.

    /..
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/759-scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum.html

  60. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 7:18 pm

  61. Peacewisher

    8 Jun, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Any chance of “The BBC Tells Lies” car stickers?

  62. I am sure that there’s a market for them Peacewisher.

    http://the-libertarian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/bbc_truth_and_lies1.jpg

    Google BBC Lies on Images. Quite a selection.

  63. Peacewisher 8 Jun, 2014 – 7:20 pm
    “Any chance of “The BBC Tells Lies” car stickers?”

    Great idea. Car stickers will reach places these blogs don’t. All you need is a design and a whip round. Then get 1000 for £212 here.

    Go on. Don’t wish, act.

  64. Phil, thanks for the clarification.

    I understand the point you’re making. I recognise that anger. I enjoy the withering put-downs. But …… you knew a “but” was coming, didn’t you? ….. I think it’s misdirected here. This isn’t an academy for revolutionaries, it’s a talking shop. Craig makes observations and we use them as a starting point to flog our own individual hobby horses. There’s a spectrum of opinion here. A few are here to contradict and spread doubt, one is here for reasons of personal inadequacy, but most of of us are on the same side as you to different degrees.

    Nurture that anger, it’s healthy, but find a fairer target than Craig. Don’t attack your fellow travellers because they’re on a different stretch of the same road as yourself. Maybe you set out before them. You didn’t achieve political enlightenment overnight. It probably took years to reach where you are now, and dare I say it, you’re still learning. So are we all (except the aforementioned personality basket-case). I’ve learned more on this blog than any other single source, and it’s primarily Craig’s blend of idiosyncrasies that sustains this delicate habitat.

    Now I’m rambling. Why am I telling you what to do? I don’t know. Fuck it, carry on, Craig’s quite capable of speaking up for himself. Keep taking the lager.

  65. Peacewisher

    Just to be clear, I was suggesting that you do it yourself.

    I presume you are in Scotland and could raise enough cash to pay for it amongst family, friends and neighbours. Put BBC LIES! and the wingsoverscotland (or any yes site) on it. Give them out. Might even make Sky news. Wash and rinse til you are in free Scotland.

    You will feel better for it because you literally will be a better person. Don’t wish, act.

  66. Agreed Peacewisher. Not a peep about civilians being killed, again, in Slavyansk. I guess the 8-year-old girl who died today was a “pro-separatist rebel” and so somehow deserved it.

    The BBC is an arm of the state.

  67. Peacewisher : “Any chance of “The BBC Tells Lies” car stickers?”
    Phil: “Great idea. Car stickers will reach places these blogs don’t. All you need is a design and a whip round. Then get 1000 for £212 here.”
    Even easier …. google “inkjet waterproof sticker” and print these designs:

    95 mm x 95 mm (4 per A4 sheet)
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxbirul1cd2mykf/The%20BBC%20Lies%2095×95.png

    280mm x 45mm (2 per A4 sheet)
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/lg2al2bw3p3qe4o/The%20BBC%20Lies%20280×45.png

    Here’s those transparent waterproof self-adhesive A4 sheets on eBay:
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A4-Sticky-backed-Plastic-for-Inkjets-Outdoor-Waterproof-Tear-Proof-/111355091815?pt=UK_Computing_Printer_Paper_Accessories_ET&hash=item19ed47db67

  68. The BBC are just part of the Union protection racket. Scottish newspapers bar one dis Salmond on a daily basis.The “Scotsman” is a particular disgrace.Scottish CBI recently caused a kerfuffle by going Pro Union. With the bias that there is against Independence it is amazing that the polls still show the Yes voters have any %.
    Now we have a US President whose country’s founding principles are the rights to be Independent going back on them to promote the UK and the EU.No wonder he looked astonished when he said it.
    Latest polls show the No’s in the lead and the Poll that cost an arm and a leg with the wrong results is still being kept buried.
    The song and dance begins.
    The problem I see is that the media tell the lies and when they are proven false, they never retract them.
    Latest scare was that the MoD wont be able to remove the rusting Nuke Subs we have at Rosyth. They’ve been there for years,mothballed and forgotten like the Russians did at Murmansk. The MoD covered up the radio active waste in Dalgety Bay for over 50 years.
    Both our major cities only 15 minutes away from either live warheads or decaying reactors.
    The BBC I suppose have always been as biased as they are now, only difference was we used to swallow their version of the truth more easily.

  69. 95 mm x 95 mm (4 per A4 sheet) …

    Actually, that should be 6 per A4 sheet
    Even more truth for your money.

  70. Are we in danger of literally shooting the messenger? Come out with your hands up MI5 and MI6, don’t hide behind the curtain, BBC are the puppets, you are the puppet-masters. It isn’t even following the government line, the government follows some other’s line, which the parties and now the BBC try sycophantically to anticipate and follow, some deep state inner circle that skewers our illusory democracy. You tell people they can be free, that they are free merely if they choose to be and they hesitate, find reasons to remain ensnared, prisoners, craving the gaolers cruel hand and arbitrary favour.

    The lesson of the seventieth anniversary of the Normandy slaughter should not be that it was all in vain; whatever the people fought for or believed they were fighting for, it was not the same as the puppet-master’s reasons for driving them to fight. On that criterion the war, the people’s war for freedom, was lost.

    .

  71. Peacewisher

    8 Jun, 2014 - 8:45 pm

    I’m an ideas man! I have made an attempt at merchandising in the past, but it’s really not my forte.

    I’m sure that there is someone reading this blog who would know how to take this forward…

  72. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 9:00 pm

    Hmmm. No word yet on BBC journalists being detained, ‘bounce!’.

    http://rt.com/news/164332-slavyansk-journalists-missing-ukraine/

  73. ANode

    Your response deserves a considered answer that I do not have the time to write right now. I accept some of your points and acknowledge I have room to improve my inter personal skills! But of course there’s a but. I will try to reply tomorrow. Thanks for at least not simply ignoring me.

    Phil

  74. It’s no news that the BBC are anything but impartial in the matter of Scottish Independence.
    Fair enough; they have a view on the matter and report it accordingly. In my view it’s OK for them to have an editorial position.
    What they (or at the very least one of their reporters) have done this time though is to act as an agent for the Government. That’s a significant step change.

    It’s interesting to compare the position of the UK state broadcaster with that of the Hungarian state broadcaster where charges of impartiality can be challenged in the courts.
    http://euobserver.com/eu-elections/124509

  75. A Node, neither dropbox link seems to work for me. I’m not sure why, but please don’t use spaces in filenames, that is some braindead Microsoft sabotage, to limit the usefulness of consumer computer software and hardware, which should have been strangled at birth.

    Great idea though; I think Yes stickers would be better, and have one already; plenty of time to spit roast the BBC once the referendum is over.

  76. Working now, got them, very nice. :)

  77. Peacewisher

    8 Jun, 2014 - 9:24 pm

    @Anode: Not only am I crap at marketing but I’m also crap at design. So I’m really not taking this on.

    But in the spirit of adventure…

    Of the two, though, I think the second one is better. Perhaps, as we are taking about democracy, there could be a vote:

    Press 1: To choose this design:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxbirul1cd2mykf/The%20BBC%20Lies%2095×95.png

    Press 2: for this design:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/lg2al2bw3p3qe4o/The%20BBC%20Lies%20280×45.png

    Press 3 for neither of the above

    Apologies, Craig, if this overheats your blog.

  78. Car stickers are a great idea – something short and witty that packs a punch (hopefully). ‘The BBC tells lies’ is too direct. The Clash song/album ‘London Calling’ occurs to me.

  79. Superb piece on Ukraine, supine EU leaders, and a meeting that took place in Yalta (of all places!) in September 2013. Tony Blair was there !

    You should read it, Craig.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/tightening-the-u-s-grip-on-western-europe-washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukraine/5386090

  80. As Phil says, of course BBC propagandising long antedates the Scottih referendum. Sadly we tend to notice these things only when they affect us more closely. Here’s some stuff on their complicity in the dismantling of the NHS.

    http://opendemocracy.net/ourbeeb/oliver-huitson/how-bbc-betrayed-nhs-exclusive-report-on-two-years-of-censorship-and-distorti

  81. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 10:18 pm

    “Much has been written about the failure of the BBC to properly inform the public of the nature of the coalition government’s NHS bill, now the Health and Social Care Act, passed by the Lords on 19 March 2012. Many felt the BBC had abandoned the NHS under Conservative pressure and it appears significant numbers lodged complaints. And quite rightly. Having spent a number of days researching BBC coverage of the NHS, the picture which emerges should be of deep concern for both the BBC and the public”

    V; There should be no shame associated with having an interest in profitability, as long as that does not contravene the ostensible public service our media should voluntarily accept as a social norm. Financing and profit dove-tailed with that responsibility intact is not a problem for me. People have to be paid. What I object to is the dash-for-cash dictated by non-news Boards of Directors who normally occupy a conservative pov. When the stock price is the maginot-line for all things newsworthy, then it’s a problem.

    Many formerly respected outlets (NYT) cobble a direct relationship between stakeholders and news that’s fit to print, you get bullshit like Judith Miller and Keller diddling with history’s narrative with the commensurate influence forcing an outcome. Those outcomes rarely benefit the people these outlets purport to support.

  82. @Mike: This is such a good article. Relates to the BBC because they have been presenting quite a different narrative. I know that some here pooh-pooh anything on Global Research, but all the facts presented here are verifiable and it cannot easily be dismissed as “propaganda” (although, no doubt, some will try).

  83. A Node

    ‘Don’t attack your fellow travellers because they’re on a different stretch of the same road as yourself. Maybe you set out before them.’

    That’s lovely – nice one!

  84. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 10:53 pm

    http://blog.transnational.org/2014/05/tff-pressinfo-why-obamas-speech-should-make-us-think/

    “”By most measures, America has rarely been stronger relative to the rest of the world…Think about it. Our military has no peer.”

    Most measures? Wrong. Take trade and investment, political, economic and cultural power relative to the rest of the world; take perceived legitimacy worldwide, take moral/values and take adherence to international law – the U.S. is a shadow of what it was, say, 50 years ago.

    True, militarily it is second to none. But that is exactly the problem when you are getting weaker on all other indicators.

    ”And when a typhoon hits the Philippines, or girls are kidnapped in Nigeria, or masked men occupy a building in Ukraine – it is America that the world looks to for help.”

    Even if it were true that the world sees the U.S. as the benign helper, Obama ought to have deplored that countries don’t turn to the multilateral or regional institutions.

    The U.S. has, since Yugoslavia, done about everything it could to undermine the U.N. Later he says that ”the UN provides a platform to keep the peace in states torn apart by conflict.”

    But is it that really the task of the world’s normatively most important organisation: to make peace where others, including the U.S. itself, has ravaged countries?

    The U.S. as a great helper is not a perception shared by many enlightened people – see the failure in the Israel-Palestinian mediation and the handling of Syria. Btw. he doesn’t even mention the Middle East.

    ”The United States is the one indispensable nation. That has been true for the century passed, and will likely be true for the century to come.”

    What in effect Obama is saying here is that every other nation – peoples of the earth – can be dispensed with. Why offend everybody? Why make yourself so good that it becomes pathetic, laughable?

    And 100 years more? Just how stupid do the speechwriters in the White House think we are? Regrettably, there is more where it comes from:

    ”The question we face – the question you will face – is not whether America will lead, but how we will lead, not just to secure our peace and prosperity, but also to extend peace and prosperity around the globe.”

    The obsession with leadership that goes through his speech reveals a deep fear of not being a leader for much longer.

    But people with little sense of history and young West Point patriots may believe such nonsense – including the stated but unfounded unity between America’s and the world’s peace and prosperity. And peace is extended from the U.S. – it is not something we create together.

    ”Regional aggression that goes unchecked – in southern Ukraine, the South China Sea, or anywhere else in the world – will ultimately impact our allies, and could draw in our military.”

    Here Obama ignores the brilliant opportunity to reach out as a true world leader would to Russia and China at this important moment. And who can talk convincingly about what aggression is and how unacceptable it is?

    ”Here’s my bottom line: America must always lead on the world stage. If we don’t, no one else will.”

    Again the leadership obsession – ”must always lead”. ”If we don’t, no one else will” – well, that could be a much much better world for all humankind! But President Obama believes that only the U.S. can lead.”

    I can’t imagine a less likely proponent of change or a more Statist poseur, than Obama.

  85. The US and the EU have been leaning on Bulgaria with success.

    Bulgaria halts work on gas pipeline after US talks
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27755032

  86. Andy Murray and Gordon Brown are said to have criticized Salmond today for displaying the Saltire at last year’s Wimbledon. Why is that being raked up now?

  87. KingofWelshNoir
    A tip of the hat from yourself is praise indeed. Thanks.

  88. @Mary: another example of the EU having lost the plot. Bulgaria will be poorer, and the pipeline will go through Turkey, or even Greece (maybe the newly empowered Greek left will tell the EU where to go if they try to interfere); Turkey can do what it likes.

    If, by the same token, France cancels its aircraft carriers that would be another own goal for the EU. Good thing that The French Nationalists did well… I’m sure they’ll be putting pressure on France to resist EU (really US!) pressure.

  89. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jun, 2014 - 11:20 pm

    The Bulgaria story is a key entry, Mary. BRICS must not succeed at all costs to the West.

  90. Yes, Ben, but the BBC article again shows an inability to present anything but pro-US/sticking it to the Russians propaganda.

    Here’s the other side:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/16/turkey-southstream-idUSL6N0N81LY20140416

  91. “US Ambassador Concerned With South Stream Construction Bid”

    http://www.novinite.com/articles/161127/US+Ambassador+Concerned+With+South+Stream+Construction+Bid

    This American ambassador, Marcie Berman, isn’t your ordinary everyday common or garden ambassador:

    # A specialist in national security issues and arms control

    # Chief of Mission in Pristina, Kosovo from 2003 to 2004

    # Minister-Counselor for Political-Military Affairs in Iraq

    # Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs at the U.S. Department of State

    # Deputy Assistant Secretary for Nuclear and Strategic Policy.

    Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcie_Berman_Ries

    So she’s saying that Bulgaria can’t build Southstream because it goes against US sanctions against Russia.

    Barbarossa is saying that it breaches some internal EU market thing.

    http://www.novinite.com/articles/160897/EC+to+Take+Action+against+Bulgaria+over+South+Stream+Agreement

    The Bulgarian PM announced the step in a Sunday interview after a meeting with three US senators visiting Bulgaria – John McCain, Chris Murphy, and Ron Johnson.

    http://www.novinite.com/articles/161151/Bulgaria+PM+Orders+South+Stream+Freeze+until+EU+Green+Light

    “Bulgaria’s Prime Minister explained that he had told the US Senators that Bulgaria would only proceed with the South Stream gas pipeline after achieving compliance with the recommendations of the EU and specifying clear implementation terms.”

  92. Michael Robinson

    8 Jun, 2014 - 11:45 pm

    Craig – I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I have followed your coverage of the issue with some interest, and it has led me to the following inescapable conclusion:

    1. A collection of Englishmen, looking at the prospective post-depletion macro-economic environment, have determined, on balance, that it is in their national interest to unburden themselves of Scotland and the growing unfunded future liabilities attached thereto

    2. Further, they have determined that it is also in their national interest that this not appear to be the policy; that the successful execution of this policy requires that they escape all responsibility and political liability for the foreseeable hardship and deprivation caused thereby

    3. To this end, they have undertaken a covert campaign of minor, seemingly inept gaffes, affronts, and slights, which have been carefully calibrated to enrage the Scottish people whilst at the same time remain below the radar of English and international media attention

    4. All the while, their overt weak-tea campaign of “better together” propaganda provides plausible deniability, both now, and post secession, of any culpability for the consequences

    The only question, in my mind, is which side of it you’re playing.

  93. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jun, 2014 - 12:02 am

    “It is important that the USA and the EU continue to work together and to clearly demonstrate to Russia, that its actions in Ukraine will continue to have consequences. Companies and persons who provide material support to Stroytransgaz could also be included in the US sanctions list.”

    – See more at: http://www.novinite.com/articles/161127/US+Ambassador+Concerned+With+South+Stream+Construction+Bid#sthash.BVLGDtj5.dpuf

    Another good find. Dem Sanctions might be a tipping point for Bulgaria. Russia won’t be adversely affected. Power as coercion wins again.

  94. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jun, 2014 - 12:06 am

    “”We have to guarantee that internal market provisions are observed because we believe that in this case we are exposing the energy security of Bulgaria and the EU to risk,” Barroso said, stressing that the EC had been following the situation in Bulgaria for months and was fully aware of it ”

    – See more at: http://www.novinite.com/articles/160897/EC+to+Take+Action+against+Bulgaria+over+South+Stream+Agreement#sthash.gAhOoswv.dpuf

    Shit a BRICS y’all. Well done Herbie.

  95. President Putin acted quickly to protect Russia’s border security and the indispensable Southern fleet at the Black Sea naval base at Sebastopol in Crimea. By masterfully using the ballot box as a defensive move instead of a Western or American ‘exceptionalist’ pre-emptive invasion, Putin won the first move, much to the annoyance of the 2013 Yalta meeting planners who set the Putin trap.

    To extract admission from the D-Day ‘celebration’ is was crucial for America to re-project the protection or ‘veiled dominance’ of Europe in true Brzezinski fashion and smash the federal Ukraine bridge that served to connect Russian good relations with the Europe.

    President Putin warily and prudently consider his moves knowing that divide had been achieved. America buoyed by ‘fracked’ energy now attempting to squeeze the balls of Bulgaria and even Serbia to block construction of the South Stream pipeline that would bring Russian gas into the Balkans and southern Europe.

    Instinctively Putin accelerated and secured the huge $400 billion energy deal with China to check the US king; in this asymmetric death game the winner takes all.

    Vladimir Putin must now personally create the opportunity for schism between ‘good guy’ America and Europe. Hearts and minds are consistently won by truth.

    Iraq, Libya and the middle East aftermaths are key ingredients of this truth serum, combined with Edward Snowden epiphany and nuclear 911 or ‘America Attacked!’ bombshells Vladimir has, waiting exposure in his fact locker.

  96. Hey ben, thanks for (10:53) the inspiring words of indispensable leadership from our Commander in Chief, President Obama. Sometimes we forget the many inspiring examples of US leadership, where the USA led the whole world, almost. We led at least 300 million American people of the world!

    Res. 36/96B 109-1 (USA)
    Res. 37/98A 95-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/187A 98-1 (USA)
    Res. 39-65B 84-1 (USA)
    Res. 37/73 111-1 (USA)
    Res. 37-78A 114-1 (USA)
    Res. 38-183M 133-1 (USA)
    Res. 39/148N 123-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/182 116-1 (USA)
    Res. 39/62 125-1 (USA)
    Res. 37/83 138-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/70 147-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/12 145-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/13 124-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/172C 136-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/172N 139-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/172O 138-1 (USA)
    Res.37/47 124-1 (USA)
    Res. 37/69E 141-1 (USA)
    Res. 37/69G 138-1 (USA)
    Res. 37/69H 134-1 (USA)
    Res.38/19 110-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/39E 149-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/39I 140-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/39K 145-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/133 135-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/199 131-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/124 132-1 (USA)
    Res. 33/137 146-1 (USA)
    Res. 41/450 146-1 (USA)
    Res. 36/19 126-1 (USA)
    Res. 38/25 131-1 (USA)
    Res.42-101 150-0-1 (USA)

    And don’t forget all the times the USA actually led somebody else in the world other than downtrodden American chumps who don’t know what’s going on,

    Res. 36/15 114-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36-73 109-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/120A 121-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/120E 139-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/146A 141-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/146C 117-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/146G 119-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/147C 111-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/147F 114-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/173 115-2 (Israel too!)
    Res. 36/226B 121-2 (Israel too!)

    So there, for all you anti-Americans who think the USofA is just an ignorant shit-kicking pariah state with no friends except for the fake ones they buy or threaten for a week at a time. Sometimes we have Israel!

  97. @ Michael Robinson (8 Jun, 2014 – 11:45 pm):

    Few would agree with your ‘inescapable conclusion’. Escape from a torn paper bag maybe?

    It is rather a shallow analysis, an absurdly anglo-centric one, that everything must be of a Westminster/City of London design. It reminded me immediately of an American’s insistence that they brought about the fall of the Soviet Union, discounting as just dumb actors, the Russian people who resisted Communism, by a fifty year go-slow, work-to-rule and a million subtle acts of resistance. The liabilities, apart from the nuclear cleanup in Scotland and the disaster area of Cumbria and the Irish Sea, are few, the assets in oil, in water, coal, minerals, in education and business, in limitless tidal, wind and hydro electric power, in fisheries, agriculture and industry, outweigh this only liability, a liability for which vainglorious UK nuclear weapons programs bear responsibility, a liability which continuation in this abusive partnership can only increase. A crucial difference too is that Independence supporters, the Scottish National Party, the Greens even, and the small but inspiring Socialist parties see Scotland’s people as its greatest asset of all, where you see a burden to be unloaded.

    The wealthy few who’ve lived off the fat of the land and stolen the cream for far too long, can live off the loot they’ve stolen, long into the forseeable future, the real hardship and deprivation will be to the helpless victims of these elite’s ire when the golden goose that has kept the United Kingdom on life-support these last thirty years, takes off back to its nesting ground in the North, to hatch a brood of its own kind.

    In the north of England, in the Midlands, in Wales and the bit of Ireland they can still scare and convulse in groundless division, preventing all from uniting in self-determination and real democracy, a need too, to take back the power – their’s rightfully, deservedly, which they’ve unwittingly disavowed – as if not taken firmly into their own hands, they risk at the very least wildcat fracking, turning their beloved landscapes and homes into barren lifeless deserts of mud and waste. They’ll certainly get the backlash from Scotland’s great and timely escape but in time London’s writ will shrink, extending in time to just a few districts and then a few streets, then nothing.

    If you cared, if you had a dog in this fight, and you should, at bottom in some way you must, you’d split the protagonists amicably, chastise the snapping English Bulldog, comfort the bewildered faithful collie, and send each off home in opposite directions.

  98. Sky have a big push on the Scottish Referendum today, 100 days etc.

    I should imagine that Broon’s contribution for the Better Together campaign will be a turnoff.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1278169/brown-embarrassed-by-salmond-saltire-stunt

    ‘The Sky News interview marks a move by Mr Brown, still highly regarded by Scottish voters despite his humiliating general election defeat in 2010, to step up his efforts on behalf of the Better Together “No” campaign in Scotland.

    On Monday he is due to make a speech on the Scottish referendum campaign to political journalists at Westminster.’

    :: With 100 days to go until the Scottish referendum, on Monday Sky News will have a day of special coverage on TV, online and mobile. This will include interviews with leading figures from both sides of the debate.

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