The Dog That Didn’t Bark

by craig on June 6, 2014 2:59 pm in Uncategorized

There is a mystery about the media coverage of the Newark by-election result.  The most interesting thing about it was the abysmal failure of the official opposition, just one year ahead of a general election.  The New Labour percentage vote actually dropped, and even just taking the New Labour v Tory vote, the New Labour swing from Tory was only 2 per cent.  That is an almost unprecedentedly poor performance by an opposition in a by-election at this stage in a parliament, and a very, very plain indication of what was already obvious – that Miliband is not going to be entering the door of No. 10.

Yet Sky News, the BBC and the Guardian have virtually nothing to say about New Labour’s disastrous result.  Both Sky and the BBC this morning managed to give their analysis on the by-election without even mentioning New Labour at all.  What can be the cause of this reticence?  Is it that they are not anxious to point out to Scots that their choice is independence or more Tory government?

 

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  1. Yes. It’s all D Day and the Derby.

    The only item of interest ref Newark was the higher than normal turnout percentage but Agent Cameron and his followers did make dozens of visits.

    Wonder what Mercer has found to occupy his leisure time? Did he go off with the usual retiring MP’s payoff?

    Newark by-election: result in full
    Robert Jenrick (Con) 17,431 (45.03%, -8.82%)
    Roger Helmer (UKIP) 10,028 (25.91%, +22.09%)
    Michael Payne (Lab) 6,842 (17.68%, -4.65%)
    Paul Baggaley (Ind) 1,891 (4.89%)
    David Kirwan (Green) 1,057 (2.73%)
    David Watts (LD) 1,004 (2.59%, -17.41%)
    Nick The Flying Brick (Loony) 168 (0.43%)
    Andy Hayes (Ind) 117 (0.30%)
    David Bishop (BP Elvis) 87 (0.22%)
    Dick Rodgers (Stop Banks) 64 (0.17%)
    Lee Woods (Pat Soc) 18 (0.05%)
    Con majority 7,403 (19.13%)

    15.46% swing Con to UKIP

    Electorate 73,486; Turnout 38,707 (52.67%, -18.69%)

    What a lot of lost deposits!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27728789

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    Mary

    Well done, first one in!

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    “The only item of interest ref Newark was the higher than normal turnout percentage”
    ___________________

    What I find interesting, Mary, is the total vote of the parties whose ideas you and your fellow Eminences would probably share (Green/Stop Banks/Pat Soc) and which must surely have been attractive alternatives in these hard and grim times – all of 1139, of which the Greens took 1057.

    Venceremos……but not quite yet, eh :)

  4. Unfortunately it won’t be Left Unity in Number 10. However this by-election result is not likely to have any bearing on the General Election – they rarely do. That is one reason I would not write Miliband off. The other, probably more telling, is if you add the combined UKIP and Tory vote it is less than it was in 2010 when there was a 71% turnout as opposed to 53% at this one. Traditionally Labour supporters do not vote in by-elections whereas Tories always vote in all elections, and presumably UKIP will too if it ever establishes itself in the House of Commons.

  5. On early shift Habba? Is this the only job you have? Why don’t you start your own blog and take all your fans with you ?

  6. Here are the By Election and 2010 G E results from the Guardian.

    Full results of the 2014 Newark byelection

    Robert Jenrick (C) 17,431 (45.03%, -8.82%)
    Roger Helmer (Ukip) 10,028 (25.91%, +22.09%)
    Michael Payne (Lab) 6,842 (17.68%, -4.65%)
    Paul Baggaley (Ind) 1,891 (4.89%)
    David Kirwan (Green) 1,057 (2.73%)
    David Watts (LD) 1,004 (2.59%, -17.41%)
    Nick The Flying Brick (Loony) 168 (0.43%)
    Andy Hayes (Ind) 117 (0.30%)
    David Bishop (BP Elvis) 87 (0.22%)
    Dick Rodgers (Stop Banks) 64 (0.17%)
    Lee Woods (Pat Soc) 18 (0.05%)
    C maj 7,403 (19.13%)
    15.46% swing C to UKIP
    Electorate 73,486; Turnout 38,707 (52.67%, -18.69%)
    Newark results in the 2010 general election

    Con: 27,590
    Lab: 11,438
    Lib Dem: 10,246
    Ukip: 1,954
    Con majority: 16,152
    Turnout: 71.4%

  7. John Goss

    While it is true that by-election results rarely are reflected in the general election, the bias is entirely in one direction – they exaggerate the swing to the opposition and against the government. That is why the result is disastrous for New Labour. If New Labour had taken Newark, it could have been written off as just a by-election swing. The absence of a significant wing to New Labour cannot be written off.

  8. YouKnowMyName

    6 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    It won’t come as a surprise to many of you professional lurkers & posters on this forum but British telephone company Vodafone today revealed their transparency report on the 20+ countries where they operate.

    The quantity of judicially approved/ministerially approved intercepts was given for most EU nations (e.g. for Italy was over 600,000 intercepts in 2013, New Zealand was 34)

    For the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, according to the world press, the UK government have instead direct – “secret wire” access to the Vodafone (world’s second largest after China Telecom) and other networks.

    This implies, de facto, that it is beyond reasonable doubt that all intra-journalistic communications is/has-been/will-be intercepted in the UK; and similarly de facto, that it is beyond reasonable doubt that all privileged legal communications is/has-been/will-be intercepted in the UK. Someone in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has a massive amount of information (along the lines of The Droitwich based Consulting Association ?)

    That the BBC, SKY – UK media in general fail to objectively report ANYTHING ANYMORE could be due to consequential extreme levels of blackmail to individual employees, could be due to hints dropped to the management by the establishment, could be due to malfeasance, could be as simple as self-censorship and pension-watching.

    Nobbled? what are the countermeasures?, the media-canaries?

  9. Well observed until your final sentence, which is a conspiracy too far. The real reason for the biased coverage is, of course, that the BBC, Graun and incresaingly Sky are all Labour, through and through.

    In any case your conspiracy doesn’t work because you’ve previously claimed the BBC gives far too much airtime to Farage, whom you maintain is a poster boy for Scottish independence.

  10. Habbabkuk 3:44 pm

    I should imagine the parties you list are a bit right-wing or “fascisti” for Mary.

    Could you recalculate the total votes for the far-left in these times of austerity?

  11. They ARE all in it together.

    The new MP. A solicitor and a previous director of Christies the auctioneers.

    ‘During the Newark by-election campaign, Jenrick was criticized for being “too rich”, as he and his wife had been reported as owning property worth £6.4 million. Chris Grayling, the Justice Secretary, defended Jenrick, insisting that being successful was nothing to be ashamed of. Jenrick himself commented that he might have three homes, but that “doesn’t mean I don’t know about life on the breadline”.

    The Jenricks bought the Grade I listed Eye Manor in Eye, Herefordshire, for £1.1  million in 2009. They also own a £2.8 million house in Vincent Square, Westminster, and a £2.1 million flat in Marylebone, apart from renting a property in Southwell.’

    Nice.

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 5:48 pm

    “On early shift Habba? Is this the only job you have? Why don’t you start your own blog and take all your fans with you ?”
    ____________________

    What’s it to you, Drago (or whatever your usual handle is..)?

    Use Habbabreak if you don’t like it, chump.

  13. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    “I should imagine the parties you list are a bit right-wing or “fascisti” for Mary.

    Could you recalculate the total votes for the far-left in these times of austerity?”
    _____________________

    No, Anon, I shan’t do that because I am a fundamentally kind person and should not wish to cause Mary more pain than she is already experiencing.

    Honestly! :)

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 5:57 pm

    Mary

    I refer to your comment which starts as follows:

    “They ARE all in it together.

    The new MP. A solicitor and a previous director of Christies the auctioneers.”
    ___________________

    I am – as so often – unable to make sense of your comment.

    Please help.

    Who are the “they” and what is the “it” in which “they” are all together?

    Thanks.

    ______________________

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  15. Stephen Morgan

    6 Jun, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    The independent in fourth place, who so nearly kept his deposit, was campaigning on an “I like the local hospital” platform.

  16. Lib Dems: Tactical voting to blame
    Lib Dem Danny Alexander says many people voted for other parties to “keep UKIP out”, explaining their sixth place in the Newark by-election.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27728784

    LOL lots.

  17. Just as in the Norwich North by-election that saw Chloe of Newsnight fame exposed as an inexperienced woman placed into the Conservative party by her ex employers, this election saw hundreds of outside young helpers bussed in, something that Conservatives have to do as they must get their voters out.

    These young things are only there to deliver tons of paper and entice new voters into the fold. They are always prim and properly dressed, told to smile, the young ideologically indoctrinated.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 8:44 pm

    “These young things are only there to deliver tons of paper and entice new voters into the fold. They are always prim and properly dressed, told to smile, the young ideologically indoctrinated.”
    _________________________

    Dear oh dear, what a grim, sour and joyless outlook on life you have, Nebelmind!

    Of course they’re there to distribute leaflets and so on – they’re junior helpers, not indoctrinators or propagandists.

    As for the “prim and properly dressed” bit, I’m surprised you didn’t add “polite” to the charge sheet. Perhaps you have something against people who smile.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    In conclusion, Nebelmind, I think you should get a life. To help you do so, I'(ll give you a double dose of

    La vita è bella, life is good!
    La vita è bella, life is good!

  19. Love the poppy red, Anon.

    The reason the Tories will be kicked out is Cameron bewailing Miliband’s reply to the Queen’s speech, viz that he has good left wing credentials and the snotty rich’s gravy train will rapidly come under pressure if he comes to power.

    Cameron’s dinosaur mind can only conceive of the billionaire swindlers’ existence. he cannot conceive of being in debt over your heads because the Tories refused to invest in the economy for five years in order to bring the price of labour down to Victorian penury.

    The rebel vote for UKIP will turn into a massive swing against this revolting opiate-cocktail elite which only came to power because equally snotty public school boy Nick Clegg snuffed out the Liberal party in order to shoehorn the Thatcherites into power.

    I never bought into Thatcherism when it was fashionable to do so. We have seen the whole world banking system collapse under her criminal idea. Failed trash, complete, illogical, ideological tripe. The cat is out of the bag. The elite can create a recession while out of office in order to get their opponents out of power, and they can magic a recovery 12 months before an election.

    They really do think we are idiots. And some of us are!

  20. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:05 pm

    Yet another post setting out what the Scottish Nationalist position isn’t an what it is against. I’m afraid this is all too reminiscent of how the Lib Dems campaigned and once we got into power it has become all too evident of the lack of values and principles at the core. How about a few positive arguments for Scottish independence – bit by all means carry on in your current vein it won’t win many votes however.

  21. Quite telling that Peter Hain is getting out.

    Peter Hain to stand down as an MP at next election
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27742136

    Some highs and lows in his political life. Best remembered for his stand against apartheid of course.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hain

  22. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:28 pm

    “Quite telling that Peter Hain is getting out.”

    Might have something with him being 65 next year and not even being a shadow minister.

  23. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:42 pm

    “These young things are only there to deliver tons of paper and entice new voters into the fold. They are always prim and properly dressed, told to smile, the young ideologically indoctrinated.”

    Of course you could be scruffy and scowl at people and have the electoral success of the far left parties favoured by many here. My Grandfather always insisted that I dressed smartly, not to rattle the letter box, shut gates and always to say good evening to those I met when delivering leaflets for the Party – voters want someone who will represent their better features not their worst.

  24. fair comment indeed Craig.
    One does wonder why events are either omitted or under-reported.
    Looking at the numbers just shows UKIP to be growing and all major parties losing.
    Libdems are becoming irrelevant and Labour seem to be losing it altogether.
    Conservatives and Libdems both have shed 10,000 voters since 2010.
    Wonder when they’ll give us electtronic voting so’s they can improve on proxy voting to get the results they want ?

  25. Mary – looking at that Wikipedia article on Hain.

    “In October 2000 he set up a war avoidance team to carry messages back and forth between himself and the then-Minister of Foreign Affairs in Iraq, Tariq Aziz (a matter then confidential, which has since been put on public record in an interview with Hain by the Today programme)”

    Right… and then he went on to vote for Iraq invasion. Joining the other members of cabinet who decided other people’s lives weren’t as important as their own career crawl.

  26. Je

    I used to like Peter Hain when he was a Liberal, at least he talked the talk. When he joined New Labour he changed as easily as changing your socks. What a nerd.

    Also there’s that gem of a story about him going out to Africa in “The Catholic Orangemen of Togo . . .” purporting to be a vegetarian. All the lovely special food, that can hardly be found anywhere in Africa, or so they say, prepared specially for his quirky diet. He rejects in favour of lion meat, zebra and monkey balls. I’ve used a bit of writers’ licence here. Sorry Craig. You tell it so much better.

  27. A couple of possibilities: a) As Labour were never going to win, the story was always going to be about who came second
    b) Everyone knows Miliband isn’t cutting the mustard, and Tory-supporting newspapers don’t want him kicked out before the election
    One thing is clear – Labour cannot win the election when they start coming third in some constituencies.

  28. Spot on, Je!

    And there was another influential group who was anti-war before and after Iraq war but had a miraculous “about face” immediately before the invasion. They know who they are!

  29. Re. Hain : “Best remembered for his stand against apartheid of course.”

    Nah. Remembered for being Blair’s stooge, putting a “right-on” face to the neo-con wars of aggression, for pretending that an illegal invasion and occupation was somehow a Good Thing. And hey – we’re putting an anti-apartheid frontman out there to sell this bill of goods to you dupes!

    Hain is a worthless sell-out, a stooge, a traitor and a liar. He is the lipstick on the neo-con pig. He undid anything useful in his life, by facilitating a war of choice – in the furtherance of the ultimate crime, in the judgement at Nuremberg. Hain used his once proud reputation, to limit the credibility of the opposition to our wars.

    Were he tomorrow to personally save 1000 kittens/old ladies/babies from a burning building, it would wash very little blood from his hands.

  30. Dramatic weather here this morning. Thunder and forked lightning and a large persisting rainbow overhead with heavy rain.

    ~~

    Saw this. V. droll and not at all amusing knowing their background.

    CIA sends out first tweet – and shows it has a sense of humour
    Agency says ‘we can neither confirm nor deny that this our first tweet’ as it officially joins Twitter and Facebook
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/06/cia-twitter-first-tweet

    .

  31. Hain. I did say ‘best remembered for his stand against apartheid’ which is true, and not ‘most admired’ or ‘greatly commended’. They nearly all followed Blair like sheep with these exceptions.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862397.stm

    The list of UK MPs who voted for the Iraq War refers to Members of Parliament in the United Kingdom House of Commons who voted in favour of Tony Blair’s New Labour regime motion for participating in the Iraq War. The vote took place on the 18 March 2003 and it couched its position as authorising “all means necessary for disarming Saddam Hussein.” Across all members, it passed by a majority of 263, with 421 in favour and 263 against. All Liberal Democrats voted against the war; 244 Labour Party members voted in favour (and tabled the motion), as did 139 Conservative Party members.

  32. http://order-order.com/tag/peter-hain/
    Guido Fawkes has always been on Hain’s case. In all about 70 posts going back to 2004.

  33. The stats on the Iraq invasion votes was roughly this: The general public were split half and half – that’s with nearly all the media backing the war.

    If you were a Tory MP, you were in favour because you were a Friend of Israel (over 80% members at the time).

    If you were a Labour MP you were split like the public. Excepting members of the government and aspiring to be. In which case you were all in favour.

    If you were a Libdem you were against. Though now in government, and their careers become part of the tangle – its all go for bombing Syria.

    What a despicable bunch. They’d climb over the bodies of 188,000 (to date) to keep their own career advancement on track. Plus all the maimed and bereaved. They’d dress it up as loyalty to the government. Or to collective cabinet responsibility. Or kid themselves that they genuinely thought an impoverished country a continent away was really a threat to “world” peace. But lets call it what it was: they voted in alignment with their own career crawls.

  34. Does anyone have a correct figure for the number of Iraqi civilians killed by coalition forces? It would seem that some of the more wild and ever-increasing estimates given (it is not uncommon to see the number 1.5 million today) are for the large part made up of Muslim on Muslim sectarian killings, lynchings, bombings, and so forth, as well as premature deaths brought about by lack of proper medical facilities, still included in the statistics over a decade after the invasion.

    When does this rolling estimate finally end? Will the preventable death of an Iraqi woman due to heart failure in 2030 still be added to it? Are the numbers killed in a bus bomb today still to be blamed on the Americans?

    Was the real crime of the Iraq War not the complete failure to understand that for a large part of the world’s Muslim population, brutal secular dictatorship is the only alternative to fanatical Islamism? And doesn’t that say more about the religion and its adherents than it does about the wrongs of the war itself?

    And yes, I was opposed to the Iraq War and the Libya regime change, and I remain against any involvement in Syria, but not for the skewed “evil west” version peddled by the left on here.

  35. Anon – if you look hard enough you’ll probably find a rough of what you ask for here

    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    I gave their front page figure. The toll of human misery unleashed on Iraq in 2003 was enormous. Pontificating about where you draw what lines around it doesn’t interest me.

  36. I know I come up with some beautiful, witty and thought-provoking little phrases but I wished it has been me who said: “He is the lipstick on the neo-con pig.”

    Glenn_UK I take my hat off. Hope the lipstick does not mark the apple when it gets stuffed in the pig’s snout.

  37. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 10:22 am

    Remember all the fuss when the BBC allowed Griffin on Question Time

    Perhaps some of RT’s supporters here might wish to offer their thoughts on their favourite channel giving a platform to this fascist

    http://rt.com/news/164372-marine-le-pen-preview/

  38. Je

    “I gave their front page figure. The toll of human misery unleashed on Iraq in 2003 was enormous. Pontificating about where you draw what lines around it doesn’t interest me.”

    But looking at their fromt page I see this:

    Friday 6 June: 110 killed

    Mosul: 69 in mortar attacks and clashes. 
    Samarra: 7 by government forces. 
    Muwafaqiya: 7 by suicide bombers. 
    Sabaa al Bour: 7 by mortars. 
    Baquba: 4 by shelling and car bomb. 
    Falluja: 3 by shelling. Tikrit: 1 policeman by IED. 
    Ramadi: 2 by bomb at vegetable market. 
    Baghdad: 10 by mortars, gunfire, AED.

    Eleven years after the invasion, that looks like Muslims killing Muslims to me, Je. So where do you draw the line?

  39. Anon – that sectarian violence didn’t exist in Iraq prior to 2003 but I don’t care where you draw the line. Like I said, I’m not interested in pontificating about it. Last post on the subject.

  40. The one dimensional lefty outlook sees it as the evil west versus innocent little brown people. It’s quite patriarchal and patronising really. They come up with over-emotional phrases like “The toll of human misery unleashed in 2003”, but aren’t very good at the facts of who is killing who and why. It’s almost colonial. The little brown person can’t have any agency of his own – everything he does is due to the actions of Amerika. So religious fanatics go around blowing up bus loads of innocent people and still it’s all the fault of the evil west!

  41. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 10:55 am

    Anon – that sectarian violence didn’t exist in Iraq prior to 2003

    Tell that to the Shia Marsh Arabs.

  42. “Anon – that sectarian violence didn’t exist in Iraq prior to 2003”.

    I’ve already dealt with this. Are you saying that without a brutal secular dictatorship, sectarian Islamist violence is the natural state of Iraq. Because that’s what it seems, and you’d be largely right.

    But no, you still view it as harmless little brown people turned into violent islamists by the Americans. They cannot be responsible for anything they do, can they? Do you think your Iraqi religious fanatic was some sort of perfect ignorant savage before he was mobilised by the Americans to blow up his brethren in buses and markets?

  43. Okay Anon. One more post. You are completely ignorant about me apart from the few comments I’ve made here. But you appear to think you know all about me. You decide I’m one of a group of other people you’ve got this attitude towards. You already know my entire political outlook: that I’m a “lefty”.

    I didn’t say anything about the “evil west”. “little brown people” is your phrase. It has no relation to what I think at all. So… if I think the way the Iraqi state was dismantled in 2003 has some culpability for the violence there today then – I have a “little brown people” attutude. And I’m claiming they have no agency. That’s barking. You say using the phrase “human misery” for what has happened in Iraq is “over-emotional”. That is also barking.

    Really my last post. I’ll leave the thread to whatever misrepresentations/slurs you want to chuck at me. You have this incredible ability to know all about how I think after all.

  44. Read about what’s happening in post invasion Iraq, and why, from someone who knows.

    Iraq: Sixty Nine Days In Fallujah General Hospital Emergency Department
    By Felicity Arbuthnot
    Global Research, May 07, 2014http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-sixty-nine-days-in-fallujah-general-hospital-emergency-department/5380996

    ~~

    Read about the number of Iraqi people killed on Medialens. There has always been sufficient information for those who are really interested and who care.

    ‘Limited But Persuasive’ Evidence – Syria, Sarin, Libya, Lies (Alerts 2013) By David Edwards Last month, a ComRes poll supported by Media Lens interviewed 2,021 British adults, asking: ‘How many Iraqis, both combatants and civilians, do you think have died as a consequence … Created on 13 June 2013
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/alerts-2013/735-limited-but-persuasive-evidence-syria-sarin-libya-lies.html The first part

    Propaganda: ‘The Dominant Grand Narrative Of Our Time’
    ‘A vanishingly rare example of the BBC propaganda system being blasted open was the special edition of the Radio 4 Today programme edited by the English musician PJ Harvey on January 2, 2014. In her opening statement, Harvey explained that she wanted to ‘do something unusual with the format and content of the programme.’ She invited people whom she considers ‘to be highly articulate, stimulating and extremely interesting to listen to – people who challenge us and move us to examine our deepest beliefs and feelings.’

    Harvey’s guests included John Pilger talking about the propaganda role of the corporate media; Denis Halliday, former UN Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq, on the urgent need to democratise the warmongering UN Security Council (here at around 49 mins); Ian Cobain and Phil Shiner on torture committed by UK forces (here at around 2 hrs : 34 mins); and Mark Curtis on how Britain’s arms trade fuels oppression around the world.’

    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/753-propaganda-the-dominant-grand-narrative-of-our-time.html

    ~~~~

    I see that it’s Anon’s and Resident Dissident’s turn today on this blog. H having a day off at the Derby?

  45. If you want more lies about Putin, ZBC had Robert Brinkley on this morning ref Ukraine. Chosen for his partisanship presumably.

    Last in Kiev in 2006 as British Ambassador! ie 9 years ago.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b045xnt7 1hr 14mins in

    Preceded by BBC reports from Steve Rosenberg and David Stern from 1hr10mins in

    Here is Brinkley on CNN in February 2014
    Brinkley: Protests echo Orange Revolution
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35bPY6BS-M

  46. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 12:23 pm

    “I see that it’s Anon’s and Resident Dissident’s turn today on this blog. H having a day off at the Derby?”

    Jealous that your paymaster doesn’t allow you a day off – at least he/she/it no longer appears to require you to post at 4 o clock in the morning UK time.

  47. Je

    You believe the 188,000 figure is the responsibility of the prosecutors of the Iraq War. You have made no such allegation against the Iraqi extremists who kill each other and innocent bystanders on a daily basis, whose actions make up a large proportion of the IBC statistics you blame solely on the invasion. Over 100 killed yesterday alone. Are those deaths the fault of the Americans?

    Because you are unable to see or admit to any agency on the part of Iraqi extremists, but keen to pin all the blame on America, it is fair to say that you have a rather patronising view of the Iraqi people – totally unable to do anything without America causing them to do it. Blowing up a market can’t be seen as evil, it’s just an inevitable consequence of the greater evil which was the Iraq War. All subsequent deaths must be attributed to that one event, the highest number possible for the longest period of time. And using emotive language to boot.

    “So… if I think the way the Iraqi state was dismantled in 2003 has some culpability for the violence there today”

    You’re changing your tune. Nothing you or anyone else has written here has attributed anything other than full culpability to the invading forces for the violence seen in Iraq today.

    “You say using the phrase “human misery” for what has happened in Iraq is “over-emotional”. That is also barking.”

    Your full phrase was:

    “The toll of human misery unleashed in 2003 was enormous”.

    True enough, but you cite the IBC front page, which includes violence to the present day. Furthermore, you previously wrote “They’d climb over the bodies of 188,000 (to date) to keep their own career advancement on track.”, further proving that you hold Western politicians responsible for the total number of deaths in Iraq to the present day. If that isn’t using overly emotional language to make a disingenuous and factually incorrect point then I don’t know what is.

    Again: “You say using the phrase “human misery” for what has happened in Iraq is “over-emotional”. That is also barking.”

    Deliberate misquoting. Note: you now say “what has happened in Iraq”. Your intial use of the phrase was directed at what has been caused by the invasion, as I have shown above.

    All in all a textbook lefty moron who believes the little brown people would all be living in peace and prosperity if it weren’t for the evil west.

  48. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 12:24 pm

    “If you want more lies about Putin,”

    You mean like the one you exposed about his height also posted on RT?

  49. My tip for the Derby:

    An E/W bet on True Story. It’s come down a bit since I put mine on but very much worth a punt.

  50. Mary 11:49 am

    Please come up with some opinions of your own rather than endless copy & paste. Thanks.

  51. Likely just that Newark was a safe tory seat so there was never much chance of Labour taking it. Add the UKIP surge (aided by the BBC) and the question became how well UKIP and the tories would do, not how well Labour would do.

  52. It is not totally impossible Milliband could become PM. LibDems would welcome a coalition with him rather than Cameron if the arithmetic makes it possible. One way to guarantee another Cameron government is to leave Scotland out of the arithmetic.

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 2:04 pm

    “I see that it’s Anon’s and Resident Dissident’s turn today on this blog. H having a day off at the Derby?”
    _______________

    Well, I’d much rather be AT the Derby than IN Derby.

    Better even than leafy, prosperous Surrey!

  54. Je 7 Jun, 2014 – 8:06 am

    “If you were a Tory MP, you were in favour because you were a Friend of Israel (over 80% members at the time).

    If you were a Labour MP you were split like the public. Excepting members of the government and aspiring to be. In which case you were all in favour.

    If you were a Libdem you were against. Though now in government, and their careers become part of the tangle – its all go for bombing Syria”

    …. and if you were an SNP MP, you were against. The SNP is also against bombing Syria.

    If you don’t want foreign countries bombed in your name, vote “YES” in September.

  55. Anon I have plenty of opinions of my own as you have probably noticed over the years much to your discomfort. Never sure which Anon is which though.

    R2D2 I was awoken by the storm. Very dramatic here. What was it like where you live or are in another country?

    Where is Habbakuk/Habbankuk?

    ~~~

    All those hypocritical gangsters who were assembled in Normandy yesterday have returned to their countries. What a terrible waste of fossil fuel carting them around, especially that used for the obscene Air Force 1 and the convoy of armoured Cadillacs brought over for the purpose of conveying the extrajudicial killer-by-drone and his entourage.

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 2:11 pm

    Gentleperson

    “Sorry, but you have been “gate-keepered” by a hackneyed tactic on page 67 of the hasbara handbook!!”
    ____________________

    It’s page 45, you fucking fool.

    **********************

    More seriously, various turns of phrase of yours remind me of that chappie who got banned – “English Knight” or whatever his name was.

    Does it matter if you’re reappeared?

    Probably not, it’s only a matter of degree in the end : the Eminences are barking, you are woofing.

    *********************

    Dump rubles, reals, rupees and renminbis – buy £, $ and shekels!

  57. Duncan, you can be rest assured that the bussed in Tory minions tried their best to scare Lib Dems into voting for them, the result is marred by ‘scary votes’, and, as so many did not bother to vote, represent another win for the non voters and the party political oligarchies they gave a hand up by staying at home.

  58. doug scorgie

    7 Jun, 2014 - 2:14 pm

    No irony…

    Lord Pearson of UKIP:

    “Our democracy requires that we have more than three peers in the House of Lords when we’re getting 27% of the vote in the latest national election.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27738940

  59. Putin is a just a few inches shorter than the chocolate billionaire not many as the BBC implied. The chocolate billionaire is twice the width of Putin (too many chocolate bars perhaps). Putin is visibly the fittest by a long chalk.

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/06/07/world/07putin1_now/07putin1_now-articleLarge.jpg

    I would like to see Poreshenko bare chested on a horse, that is if he could actually mount one.

    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1133558/original.jpg

  60. The dog that did bark:

    Poroshenko’s inauguration speech has sent a message to Novorossiia and Russia:

    No federalization
    No state status for the Russian language
    No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
    Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
    Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine.

    He could not have been any clearer: that is basically a declaration of war and an ultimatum. This is also a full endorsement of the “Banderastan project”.’

    Will the Neocons get their new Cold War? Will Ukraine go down in flames, taking the EU with it? Will the Europeans have to pay for their gas in roubles, renmimbi or gold rather than US dollars? Will European leaders show spine and act in their countries’ interest, rather than pander to the global terror state? So many questions.

    Still, it’s not all doom and gloom. Susan Rice has announced that the US will supply lethal aid to the Syrian opposition, but only to the ‘moderate vetted component’ – who will most certainly not pass it over to the extremists that actually do the killing, no siree bob.

  61. Acanchi/Esler was obviously NBG so they have moved on to Saatchis.

    Scottish referendum: M&C Saatchi tackles ‘no’ ad campaign

    The advertising gurus behind the controversial “Labour Isn’t Working” adverts have been recruited to construct a campaign to help keep Scotland in the union.

    M&C Saatchi are expected to unveil a number of new marketing approaches for the no campaign on Monday, one includes the slogan “No thanks”.

    Despite maintaining a lead in the polls, the Better Together group has been under pressure to change the tone of its campaigning as the yes vote has grown in recent months.

    /..
    http://www.channel4.com/news/scottish-referendum-m-c-saatchi-tackles-no-ad-campaign

    HQ New York now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saatchi_%26_Saatchi

  62. Desperation is really setting in when they steal like this.

    Treasury ‘Buzzfeed’ drops Lego shots
    Toy maker Lego forces the UK government to stop using its characters to illustrate a campaign against Scottish independence.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27746619

    Was that Danny’s idea? Perhaps he still plays with his Lego.

  63. The west is supporting fascist forces in Ukraine, as for the stacked ballot returns, the election should be invalidated for that reason alone.

    ‘The Crimea will be forever Ukraine’? is a declaration of war and strife, he is there to wind up Putin until he snaps.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    “I would like to see Poreshenko bare chested on a horse, that is if he could actually mount one.”
    _____________________-

    Says Mary, all a-flutter.

    What is it about blokes on hosses, I wonder…..?

  65. Not ‘all a flutter’. Silly man. The t— would have to see it in those terms of course as is his wont.

    Not at the Derby then with all the wide boys and rich Middle Eastern despots?

    I admire Putin for withstanding the demonization that he has been subjected to the West. I heard no mention in the news commentary last night of the millions of Russians who died in WWII. Would the Third Reich have taken Europe over without the Russians’ sacrifice?

  66. Resident Dissident 7 Jun, 2014 – 10:22 am

    “Remember all the fuss when the BBC allowed Griffin on Question Time

    Perhaps some of RT’s supporters here might wish to offer their thoughts on their favourite channel giving a platform to this fascist

    http://rt.com/news/164372-marine-le-pen-preview/

    Delighted to oblige. Bravo, RT for airing these topics which the Western MSM ignores.
    Your link shows M Le Pen make the following points:

    “The EU has lost control of its foreign policy to Washington”

    “When offering a partnership agreement to Ukraine – which would mean breaking off of its allied relations with Russia – the EU has clearly set blackmail in motion. And that can’t help but fuel dissent inside the country,”

    “We’ve made a great deal of foreign policy mistakes under Washington’s influence, but the worst of them is Syria,”

    “There are “no independent states left in Europe” that would call for peaceful solutions to conflicts”

    “We [National Front] have been the only party to stand against the option of intervening in Syria. When the crisis first started, we said France is supplying arms to jihadists, who would spread terror if they win. That’s what already happened in Libya.”

    “We [National Front] oppose the demonisation of Russia”

    I personally agree with every one of those points, and since I rarely hear such opinions expressed in ‘our’ media, I thank you for bringing this RT interview to my attention.

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    ” I heard no mention in the news commentary last night of the millions of Russians who died in WWII.”
    ____________________

    Possibly because what was being remembered were the Normandy landings (=Western front)?

    NB – no reference to the Normandy landings during the annual Victory Day commemoration in Moscow either (=Eastern front).

    Silly b—–!

  68. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:22 pm

    “Putin is a just a few inches shorter than the chocolate billionaire not many as the BBC implied.”

    As many as RT implied I think you mean – they used the same photo. LOL

  69. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    R2D2 I was awoken by the storm. Very dramatic here. What was it like where you live or are in another country?

    No just another county – slept like the innocent I am.

    A node – but you rather forget the rest of the FN agenda – or perhaps you don’t. The televised interview hasn’t happened yet – this is just the build up.

  70. Resident Dissident 7 Jun, 2014 – 4:26 pm

    “A node – but you rather forget the rest of the FN agenda – or perhaps you don’t. The televised interview hasn’t happened yet – this is just the build up.”

    I addressed the points rather than attack the messenger, something you should try yourself.

  71. You can tell that Mary is absolutely desperate to find some way to undermine the D-Day commemorations. She just can’t stand the idea that there might have been something that this country did that was right.

  72. It was a sideshow, sold to the punters as a big deal, after the event. Old wartime propaganda never dies, it just gets embellished and regurgitated. Eventually a feedback loop develops where the masses swallow the propaganda, then become transmitters of those same rumours to others, soon some report invented first hand descriptions of that same propaganda tale, which gets back to the source and serves to reinforce the bigger lies.

    June 1945 only marks the resumption by all of the ongoing long-spun attempt to conquer the heartland, the inner continent. I think the closing paragraph of Mackinder’s ‘Geographical Pivot of History (1904)’ unwittingly gave the far from great game away, which is still in play: “[…] would add an oceanic frontage to the resources of the great continent, an advantage as yet denied to the Russian tenant of the Pivot Region.”

    Whole populations are just tenants to the would be masters of the world, the Iraqis were sitting on ‘our’ oilfields and the Russians are squatting yet on that long coveted ground.

  73. R2D2. No it was not the same photo. Get it right.

    Troll Not leafy prosperous Surrey. Food banks keep opening. Shops closing. Permanent ‘sales’.

    Anon See my post honouring the brave men of D Day @2.33pm yesterday on the Deep State thread.

    ‘Not ‘against their country’ you duplicitous twister. Against the politicians, the gangsters in charge, the war mongers who make their hypocritical gestures of pretending to care for the fallen when they have waged recent wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Mali and so on who posed no threat of invading us. Of course I am deeply proud of those brave people and grateful for those who gave their lives for us. Yet we now have secret trials in our ‘freedom’.’

    ~~~

    Any other problems you pathetic little poodles or any other inventions you can devise? You are like children.

  74. Anyway, what was the Kiev coup president doing at the D-Day gig.

    I’m sure the Ukrainians were fighting on the same side as the Nazi fascists, murdering Poles, Jews, Russians etc to an extent shocking to even their SS bosses.

    At least Merkel has apologised.

    As everyone knows the Ukrainians are unapologetic murderous fascists to this very day.

    I didn’t notice anyone asking Poroshenko to reflect on the contribution his countrymen made to the Nazi war effort.

    Seems a bit insulting to the dead being commemorated.

  75. Just out of interest, how do those people who claim that the BBC isn’t a government propaganda machine explain the airtime that they’re giving to the D-Day anniversary? Are we to believe that the majority of licence payers want to watch hours and hours and hours of this stuff?

  76. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    R2D2. No it was not the same photo. Get it right.

    The photo you linked to here

    https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75366000/jpg/_75366182_75366177.jpg

    Is exactly the same as the second one on the RT page I linked to here

    https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75366000/jpg/_75366182_75366177.jpg

    If you cannot see that this is the case then you really should see an optician – he may be able to fix your eyes but I doubt he can deal with your other failings.

  77. What a pointless post. I agree that the BBC link is the one I posted. ie the two of them facing the camera.

    You seem to have fouled up by duplicating the link!

    Your links were as follows on the other thread

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=d+day+poroshenko&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=P8SSU8DQJIjm7AahmIDoCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1461&bih=765 ((a conglomeration)

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2000/mar/23/20000323-011028-2791r/?page=all
    (an article without a photo)

    http://rt.com/news/164236-putin-poroshenko-ukraine-bloodshed/ (Includes a photo taken from behind Putin and Poreschenko)

    For goodness sake, dry up. I want no more of your rubbish. Off to a concert anyway.

  78. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    “I’m sure the Ukrainians were fighting on the same side as the Nazi fascists, murdering Poles, Jews, Russians etc to an extent shocking to even their SS bosses.”

    You really are beneath contempt – just because some Ukrainians fought on the German side, just as some Russians and Belorussians did as well, it doesn’t mean that the whole nation or even a majority of that nation did.

    A greater proportion of Ukrainians died in WW2 than in any of the Soviet Republics apart from Belarus

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union#Estimated_losses_of_each_Soviet_Republic

    4.5m Ukrainians fought in the Red Army far more than who collaborated with the Nazis. Most ordinary Russians are more than aware of this mixed history of both Ukrainians and Russians in WW2 – but it is only scum like yourself and others trying to justify their own unjustifiable actions who seek to make such a cheap propaganda point.

  79. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:22 pm

    I want no more of your rubbish.

    Who on earth do you think you are – does your arrogance know no bounds. You cannot even admit that RT used exactly the same photo as the one you criticised the BBC for using. A decent person would apologise.

  80. Also by-elections don’t really show anything about what will happen in General elections. Labour’s poor showing in the council and Euro elections is a bit more worrying for them, but, again, people usually vote differently in General elections than in European and council elections. The latter don’t matter as much so people feel free to vote for whoever either because they’d prefer them or as a protest vote.

    I totally agree that it’s not worth it for Scots to stay in the UK in the hope that there might be a Labour government though. There might be or we might get 5 more years of the Tories – and even if Labour win their leadership have moved right so fast from Kinnock on that they’ll be mostly just like having the Tories in slow motion.

  81. Anon red poppy man/woman

    General MacCrystall was sacked for not playing the Iraq War dirty enough. General Petraus knew how to sort out the what you call dark-skinned people which gaves your game away for a start.

    You get Mossad, only a border away, to plant bombs to blow up Shi’a and blame it onto the Sunni and vice versa. The sectarian divide was created by the coward Petraus, until the UK and US troops were unable to ” buy one sandwich ” downtown in the wreckage of the country he had made.

    US troops in particular suffered irrepairable Vietnam-style psychological damage just witnessing the sectarian violence let alone perpetrating their own General’s violence.

    All of this was predictable because of what had been done previously in Afghanistan. That’s why millions of people protested, because of the facts of US and UK dirty politics and violence, and because of some idealistic dreams.

    There was also a principled Islamic opposition, which is now in Syria as well, whose aim was to prevent neo-colonialism benefiting USUKIS as it had done for centuries before. At the root of this movement is the killing of any Muslims who show the remotest signs of prefering the status quo of the established colonial order, the CIA Saddam or CIA Assad order.

    The principles behind that violence, to root out the gravitational pull towards colonial domination, was not created by itself. It was the product of George Bush and Tony Blair getting together and working out how to get their hands on the resources of the Muslim countries.

    Tough for you that the dark-skinned people didn’t oblige this time round. They didn’t do it because they saw the result of doing it before : centuries of oppression under violent, madmen like Saddam and Assad and Gaddaffi.

    The West’s response to failure has been to pick on softer targets in Africa and Malaysia. We can pluck your aircraft from sight, and reduce your counties to brutal civil war. No matey, The neo-colonial West, the Cameron Thatcher neo-colonial machine, is finding it harder to find low-hanging fruit to steal.

    New Labour is not in problem because of the recession which was created by the Tory Zio-bankers who were more powerful than Gordon Brown. It is in a problem because of the ruthless determination of Islamic jihad which gave the West a bloody nose for the first time.

    Mits off our lands mates from now on.

  82. Res Diss

    I think you’ll find that Ukraine is something of a divided entity. Always has been.

    I think you’ll further find that the Nazi Ukrainians are mostly concentrated in the eastern regions, precisely the rump area that chocolate boy represents.

    Only a buffoon like yourself would deny the truth of that, to hide the fact that someone who represents the Nazi part of Ukraine is not called to reflect upon his area’s history in that war.

    Most sensible people would think it a curious ommission.

    You of course have your own current reasons for wishing to hide the truth, as do your puppet masters who continually inflict violence and unending mayhem upon any who dare to challenge their hegemony.

  83. Without Russias decisive battles around Kursk, defeating the Germans and actually winning WW2, the war would not have turned so fast and D- day, which was a gamble that cost many young lifes, just as Stalingrad, would not have happened as it did.

    So lets be thankfull to all who died, including the Russian allies who pressured Hitler something rotten.

    Whatever history mongers presume here, it will not change the facts as they exist, not that it would necessarrily stop any of the private schools to put their own slant on it. You know those who find nothing wrong to send their children on subsidised lottery funded excursions to the continent keeping the thoughts of evbil Nazi’s alive, but who can’t help themselves suckering on the bottom lip of these royal oafs, Nazi sympathising scum.

    And what a great swanky party they had, I bet Harry would love to be there now wearing his uniform.
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=princess+sophie+marries+Nazi&qpvt=princess+sophie+marries+Nazi&FORM=IGRE

  84. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:40 pm

    “Are we to believe that the majority of licence payers want to watch hours and hours and hours of this stuff?”

    Since when has the test been that all broadcasting by the BBC has to appeal to a majority of the population?

    Some of us are quite happy to commemorate the brave men and women who helped to liberate Europe from the Nazis – while others who wish to praise the leader of the FN, a party with deep links to the Vichy collaborators do not. Quite frankly there are times when even handedness by the BBC is just not appropriate.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:47 pm

    “Troll Not leafy prosperous Surrey. Food banks keep opening. Shops closing. Permanent ‘sales’.”

    __________________________-

    Bitch Very well-off Surrey compared to lots of other counties. Chelsea tractors all over the places. Expensive gastro-pubs everywhere. Conspicuous consumption.

    Where does the bitch fit in in those two contrasted pictures?

    *************************

    I’d rather live in Surrey than in the Rhondda with a hey nonny-no and a hey nonny-no(refrain)

  86. I guess the media believe that Milliband will be the next PM, and therefore see no point in provoking him to take away freedom of the press further, or reduce what freedom the BBC has.

  87. Guano 6:32 pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever read so much bollocks in my entire life, so thanks for the effort. Your parents must be really proud to have invested so much in your education only for you to turn out as some whacky “revert” conspiraloon talking about “our lands”. Really laughable mate, get your head fixed.

  88. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:53 pm

    “Without Russias decisive battles around Kursk, defeating the Germans and actually winning WW2, the war would not have turned so fast and D- day, which was a gamble that cost many young lifes, just as Stalingrad, would not have happened as it did.

    So lets be thankfull to all who died, including the Russian allies who pressured Hitler something rotten.”

    I don’t disagree – and if you bothered to attend the main D Day museum in Caen (hopefully on a Lottery funded excursion) you would see that they give full credit to the role played by the Russian people (and no glorification of the UK monarchy either) – and that is the view of my Russian wife whose own grandfather died in Poland with the tank battalion that he commanded. Only those with limited historical knowledge and poor taste would try and make claims that any one of the allies was solely responsible for winning the War – remember who fought it for nearly two years when the ruling regime were collaborating with Hitler, remember the supplies that came to Russia by the Artic convoys (my father in law certainly does), remember the hundreds of thousands of Indian soldiers, remember those in North Africa who denied the Germans the oil they needed etc.etc.

  89. Res Diss

    “Some of us are quite happy to commemorate the brave men and women who helped to liberate Europe from the Nazis”

    What a dimwit.

    I’ve already pointed out that you don’t do that by inviting a representative of the Nazi part of Ukraine without asking him to reflect upon their part in that war.

    Nor do you do it by inviting Nazis to form the inner core of the Washington killing machine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

    But then, as an avid watcher of and defender of Auntie you’re not exactly best placed to know what’s been going on outside the fairy tales you inhabit.

    You’re no more than a useful idiot.

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:56 pm

    Herbie’s “contribution” to the debate

    “As everyone knows the Ukrainians are unapologetic murderous fascists to this very day.”
    _________________

    As ever, thoughtful, well-reasoned, balanced.

    With friends like this, do the Eminences’ favorite causes need enemies? :)

    ***********************

    “Life had become better, life had become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    “Guano 6:32 pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever read so much bollocks in my entire life,…”
    ___________________

    Come come, Anon, be fair!

    Bollocks of that order is freely available on this blog almost every day.

    Why, some of it comes from as far away as sunny California, the land of fruits and nuts.

  92. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    Herbie

    You wouldn’t recognise the truth if it hit you in the face – there were plenty in all occupied parts of the Ukraine, Poland, Belarus and Russia who bore the full force of the Nazis and can be proud of their role in their own liberation. In all cases their were minorities who collaborated but they were a long way from being a majority – and it is just a heinous slur from a shit wishing to hide the truth for his own political ends to say otherwise.

  93. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 7:06 pm

    @Anon

    “Guano 6:32 pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever read so much bollocks in my entire life,”

    I presume that was before you read Herbie’s recent trails of slime.

  94. Anyone with any memory at all will remember the tortured process over German invitations to D Day commemorations in the past.

    Much public discussion, denunciation the whole shebang. All over media.

    But now that the West is openly allied with fascists across the globe, Islamic, Jewish, Slavic, Germanic etc, the chocolate bloke just danders in, and not a peep from anyone.

    Reverse ferret all over the shop.

    Liars all.

  95. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 7:21 pm

    “You’re no more than a useful idiot.”

    He’s no idiot, herbie, but he is useful to certain sectors.

  96. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    Thank you Ed Snowden.

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/65-65-things-we-know-about-nsa-surveillance-we-didnt-know-year-ago

    “t’s been one year since the Guardian first published the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order, leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, that demonstrated that the NSA was conducting dragnet surveillance on millions of innocent people. Since then, the onslaught of disturbing revelations, from disclosures, admissions from government officials, Freedom of Information Act requests, and lawsuits, has been nonstop. On the anniversary of that first leak, here are 65 things we know about NSA spying that we did not know a year ago:

    7. A leaked internal NSA audit detailed 2,776 violations of rules or court orders in just a one-year period.”

    You see, the Law is only for us peons. “First, let’s kill all the lawyers” Willie Shakespeare.

  97. “He’s no idiot, herbie, but he is useful to certain sectors.”

    Yup.

    Pravy Sektor, for starters.

    The only thing uglier than a fascist are those creeps who egg them on from behind the scenes, hoping to make a buck out of it.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    Resident Dissident

    You were kind enough to furnish a couple of limericks the other day. Here in return is one I hope you’ll savour. Enjoy!

    “There was a young fellow named Menzies,
    Whose kissing sent girls into frenzies,
    But a virgin one night
    Crossed her legs in a fright,
    And fractured his bi-focal lenses.”

    ***********************

    And another one for Nebelmind (aka Nevermind), the master of the misplaced apostrophe and great coprophile:

    “There was a young fellow called Shit,
    A name he disliked quite a bit;
    So he changed it to Shite –
    A step in the right
    Direction, one has to admit.”

  99. And, surprise surprise, just look who was funding and providing logistic support to these Ukrainian Nazis all those years ago.

    The good ole USSA, through the CIA no less. Some things never change.

    Like the friendship of fascists for fascists, for all time.

    “Truman approved the creation of a guerrilla army code-named “Nightingale” in Ukraine. Originally setup by the Nazis in 1941, it was made up of ultra-nationalists. They would, as Stone describes, wreak havoc on the “famine-wrecked region where Soviet control was loose, carrying out the murder of thousands of Jews, Soviets and Pols, who opposed a separate Ukrainian state.” The CIA would parachute “infiltrators” into the country as well to further “dislodge Soviet control.””

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/america-backed-fascists-ukraine-73-years-ago.html

  100. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 8:00 pm

    “Pravy Sektor, for starters.

    The only thing uglier than a fascist are those creeps who egg them on from behind the scenes,”

    Out of the gutter into the sewers – when have I ever egged on Pravy Sector or any other fascists for that matter – I regard the reduction in the fascist candidates vote in the Ukrainian Presidential Elections as one of the more positive signs in recent times. I hope we see something similar happening to Zhirinovsky and his chums within Russia in due course.

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