Met worse than Murdoch

by craig on July 26, 2014 9:27 am in Uncategorized

The revelation that undercover Met officers spied on the family of Jean Charles De Menezes after they murdered him, leaves me utterly appalled.

You have to consider this in the context of the lies that the Met assiduously spread about De Menezes – that he entered the tube without buying a ticket, that he vaulted the ticket gates, that he ran away from officers, that he was wearing a bulky jacket.

All of these were lies. In truth the poor man had entered the tube normally and legally, walked calmly and sat down with a free newspaper. He wore a short tight denim jacket. Then totally without any cause or justification from his actions whatsoever, his murderers shot him multiple times in the head. Just because his Brazilian complexion looked a bit Arab.

I can think of no category of lie worse than that told by a murderer against the reputation of their victim.

The police did everything they could to mislead the media, planting lies and encouraging stories they knew to be untrue. Personally I find it extremely suspicious that numerous CCTV cameras were found not to be working, and have little doubt that the police destroyed that evidence.

There can be no other motive for spying on De Menezes’ family than either the hope of gaining information to feed to the media to discredit the man they murdered, or to attempt to pervert the course of justice.

They did not have to worry – their were plenty of others to pervert the course of justice for them, including the DPP and above all, Sir Michael Wright, as disgusting a piece of scum as ever sat on an English bench, who directed the inquest jury that they could not return a verdict of unlawful killing. (I was delighted to find that, when I googled Sir Michael Wright, my article on him came high on the first page. Is that result tailored by Google for me, or is it general?)

The recent revelation that the Met spied on Menezes’ family sparked very little public interest. It should. It is a still more appalling outrage than the Murdoch press hacking Millie Dowler. At least the Murdoch gang had not actually murdered Millie Dowler themselves. The De Menezes family were being spied on by their son’s and brother’s murderers.

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348 Comments

  1. I’m speechless.

  2. I thought of the difference between virtue and piety, and saw that virtue is the doing of good, whereas piety is the avoidance of ‘wrong’.

    In a world dominated by PC orthodoxy, and quota filling, the society will become ever more pious and less virtuous, simply because it is an easier state to achieve, especially if you have a vigorous ego but little talent to match it.

    Giving more power to the State will increase malfeasance, as the talentless displace the virtuous, all the new power must be there to direct the cover-up of the ensuing systematic incompetence.

  3. Now whoa, whoa, just calm down – these revelations merely present themselves as opportune criteria for a nice little bit of promotional CV action to reach the dizzy heights of, what is it now, Asst Commissioner. I think you’ll find that senior ranks have to undergo their ACPO training in shooting dead random people (and usually chucking a few bags of crack in their pocket does the trick) but young Jean stupidly had witnesses which gave the selection panel all the evidence they needed in picking the right candidate.

    Sir Hugh Orde – now there’s larks!

    Cheers Craig – have a good weekend dude

  4. Your 2008 article is 4th in my Google search. I have not read it before but will do now.

  5. What a terrible tragedy this was for Jean Charles’ family! What can we expect from a country that has enacted 8 anti-terror acts since the turn of the century, mostly targeting Muslims, though of course this young man was just mistaken for a Muslim. Even worse is the Justice and Security Act (2013) which was introduced to protect our secret services’ identities in cases in which Muslims were tortured, or any other cause to which it could be applied. All these acts need serious scrutiny, if not abolition,

  6. That we are all spied on goes without saying. When Facebook or any other networking site asks you to complete your profile it is not for the benefit of your friends.

  7. Google result:

    “Craig Murray – Blog Archive – The Disgraceful Sir Michael Wright, A …”

    Fourth entry on the first page for me. That’s my first Google search today. My router was off overnight so so it should be my first search from the IP address I was assigned half an hour ago. My browser had no Google cookie to submit.

  8. The thing that intrigued me was the revelation at the inquest that one of the police officers had altered his notes. He removed the line recording Cressida Dick saying Jean Charles de Menezes could ‘run onto tube as not carrying anything’, and she was overruled by an unidentified male in command. Who was that male? He seemed to be ordering the hit even though they knew JCdM was not a threat.

  9. Absolutely and completely disgusting-at the same unsurprising. We have at present an improved variation on Orwell’s dystopian vision. We also now know we are being watched-but for how much of our daily 24/7/?

  10. “Just because his Brazilian…” – I can’t help leaning towards the idea that there is much much more to this assassination, because not one thread of the official narrative makes any sense at all. I think it perfectly reasonable to believe this specific person was murdered (i.e. there is a motive behind his killing)

  11. “There can be no other motive for spying on De Menezes’ family” – Yes there can. To discover if anyone knew if JCdM left an “Insurance policy”.

  12. that he was wearing a bulky jacket.

    You forgot to add; “with bare wires sticking out of the jacket”!

    Alas the credulity of the middle-class, this is the tip of the iceberg, the much bigger and wider net is hidden in plain sight.

  13. now imagine, what would stories or late court decisions have been if instead of non-muslim and non-arab De Menezes their had been an inncoent muslim of arab origin? Would we still have the truth about this man’s innocence today?
    This country is turning into soviet style regime more rapidly. Do we still have time to stop this horrible process? I am in ever more doubt day by day.

  14. JimmyGiro, 9:44 am; that’s an excellent systemic description. I’ve been vaguely thinking something similar for years; thanks for expressing it so clearly.

  15. douglas clark

    26 Jul, 2014 - 11:24 am

    Craig,

    There is something fundamentally wrong.

    We could, probably, agree in principle that the state should have the sole right to violence in a democracy. The alternative, that we should have the right to bear arms does not seem to me to be a paticularily valid option. Extreme breakdowns of the afoesaid state as exemptions, obviously.

    But, the right of the state to bear arms over us, being the sole supplier of violent solutions appears completely unmoderated.

    At what point were we consulted on the extent to which the state would exercise it’s authority without accountability? And it is this latter point, accountability, that is the worry.

    It is something more than spin when armed officers are given complete immunity from prosecution when they unload on a suspect. The issue of judgement – the risk they were at themselves, the danger to the public – are invariably biased for the killer rather than the killed.

    The Met’s actions in relation to the family of Jean Charles De Menezes is just icing on the cake of a constabulary that reports to the Queen and not to the people. No doubt they employ people to smear victims of their own incompetence. But it is down to us to at least make some prosecutions stick.

    I have no idea whatsoever how we can move away from this imapassé.

  16. I understand your reasoning ‘Just Saying’ and we are blessed with a man who risks his life exposes the Establishments atrocious wicked face. It is here on CraigMurray we question the Neo-Con narratives even though it seems we are not allowed and run the risk of being accused as a Putin apologist or conspiracy theorist; a ‘trooffer’ if you will.

    The face has an ugly mind that will accuse Russia of a crime even before the poor bodies of MH17 were cold. Keep in mind that Malaysia is an independently minded country that has indicted Bush and Blair for war crimes.

    Ukraine backed by the West is butchering its own people while Israel having murdered over 700 civilians mostly women and children in Gaza is deemed innocent. The double standards are barbaric and inhuman.

    Simply you are either with us, the enlightened or the NeoCon terrorists who without a doubt from good evidence will murder its own people such as 2001, 2005, with proxies such as ISIS, NATO or al-Qaeda and this ‘cleansing’ IS open-ended, unfolding and extant.

  17. I thought of the difference between virtue and piety, and saw that virtue is the doing of good, whereas piety is the avoidance of ‘wrong’.

    Well said JimmyGiro, Sir Michael Wright in this case taking a leaf out of Pontius Pilate’s book, unctuously washing his (ie the establishment’s) hands for the express purpose of ‘avoiding’ the wrong.

    Sub narrative of this case with a Sir Humphery Appleby type scenario:

    ‘He’s got a safe pair of hands and will do a good whitewash, ahem I mean job Prime Minister, he’s the ‘right’ man to do it Prime Minister’

    ‘Very droll Humphery’

    ‘If he gets this right Prime Minister, perhaps he could be useful elsewhere…?’

    ‘What are you up to Humphery’

    ‘Nothing Prime Minister’

    ‘These fuckups,, I mean misfortunes of our security services really have to be ventilated but have to be handled carefully Humpy, is he really safe?’

    ‘Indeed he is Prime Minister, we were at Oxford together.’

    Really sickening that finding. Normally I would never call any judge ‘scum’, especially in court :-) but I think Craig can be excused on this occasion

  18. Newspaper reports at the time claimed it was soldiers from the Special Reconnaissance Regiment, not police, who did the shooting. If you Google them you get some interesting stuff. There is definitely something strange about this case, police told the Observer they knew he was not a threat, but still he was taken down, by an SAS unit.

  19. @Tito: Agreed. But one thing is for sure… we aren’t going to change anything by moaning about it.

    We didn’t even manage to change our programmed MPs minds by the 2 million march…

    However, the MPs that voted against war with Syria brings some cause for comfort. I understand that minds were changed through the sheer volume of constituents posting to constituency offices. POSTING… ie real letters, not using electronic media! We can all do that.

  20. Shameful as is DRIP

  21. Just out of interest, what was CDM job, his qualifications? Who was his employer or who had he been working for in the previous months?

  22. Your article came 4th on google uk (for several searches using an the Tor anonimity tool).

  23. Lovely picture on twitter as people gather for today’s demonstration:

    https://twitter.com/jackieschneider/status/492987074568814592/photo/1

    Any guesses how long before the BBC are shamed into reporting what is happening today in central London? They wouldn’t have relented last week if it wasn’t for peoples’ actions via twitter.

  24. CCTV never works when the system is covering their wrondoing.Its a red flag that they are lying.Ian Tomlinson, 7/7, 9/11, etc….
    Missing radar MH370….

  25. @LeeJ: George Orwell said it all in his book. Trouble is… 1984 arrived and no sign of Big Brother, so people lost interest. And now, another generation… most haven’t even heard of “1984”!.

  26. Hi Lee,

    Could you expand on your theories regarding missing CCTV footage of 9/11 and 7/7?

    I’ve heard it said that 9/11 was a hoax and there were in fact no planes. Are you expounding no planes theory” or the hologram version?

  27. Re the Met Police Menezes lies – several of them maintained even up to the end that he acted suspiciously because at Brixton en route he had got off and back on the bus etc.. Brixton Station has been closed early since the evening before including of course all morning on the day of Menezes murder. Police must have known hands down that very very many folk were having to get back on local buses like Menezes. They used these verbals to try and justify his eventual murder even up to the very end. Cressida Dick joined the fit-up too. These are cops who are supposed to have well primed critical intellects. Next up? Tomlinson of course and he got the verbals treatment really big time too.

  28. Tfs

    “Just out of interest, what was CDM job, his qualifications? Who was his employer or who had he been working for in the previous months?”

    I don’t know but it must have been well paid as be was able to afford cocaine. The cocaine in his system at the time of the shooting might have led to agitated behaviour, arousing suspicions that led to the tragic mistake.

  29. @Anon: Sorry to cut in on this, but the “hoaxers” are probably a smokescreen. Of course there’s no doubt that 9/11 happened. It is what happened afterwards that is so disturbing. If 19 Saudi nationals were identified as responsible, why did the neocons invade Afghanistan? Most likely answer… because they wanted to invade Afghanistan anyway and released information to support their opportunist agenda.

    The mm won’t post pictures of the demonstration in London for the same reason – it doesn’t fit the agenda.

  30. @Anon: that cocaine reference show you up as part of the propaganda campaign.

  31. KingofWelshNoir, 11:56 am; thanks for that:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Reconnaissance_Regiment#Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    On 22 July 2005 Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead by armed police officers on a London Underground train at Stockwell tube station. Three media reports carry unconfirmed assertions by unattributed UK government sources that SRR personnel were involved in the intelligence collection effort leading to the shooting and on the tube train whilst the offensive action occurred. A partial Ministry of Defence response was reported by the Sunday Times.[10][11][12]

    The Special Reconnaissance Regiment. They’re the ones trained to stab themselves through the mouth with their own sword:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Special_Reconnaissance_Regiment_%28crest%29.jpg

  32. John Goss

    “What a terrible tragedy this was for Jean Charles’ family! What can we expect from a country that has enacted 8 anti-terror acts since the turn of the century, mostly targeting Muslims, though of course this young man was just mistaken for a Muslim.”

    It ought to be said that the spying on Menezes’ family came to light as a result of an inquiry, that the Met itself told the family’s lawyer about the spying and that it has been reported throughout the media. The family will now be given a large compensation pay out.

    All of which is, of course, is in stark contrast to Brazil, Russia or any of the other countries preferred by the MWL on here, where innocent people are regularly gunned down by police and it isn’t even reported.

  33. “@Anon: Sorry to cut in on this, but the “hoaxers” are probably a smokescreen. ”

    Is this a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy? Are you saying that the Powers That Be (PTB) have planted hologram hoaxers within the Truth Movement to divert attention from what really happened, that the American government brought the buildings down in a controlled demolition?

  34. Please, Passerby, I’m trying to eat my lunch!

  35. Clark, yes they were also the ones caught at the police checkpoint in Iraq dressed as Arabs in a car full of explosives. They tried to shoot their way out, got arrested, and the British Army busted them out of jail Wild West style.

  36. LOL, Anon! If you can’t be bothered to engage with me, then perhaps you may be aware of Fahrenheit 9/11. Did you think that was a pack of lies?

  37. Hi Peacewisher

    No I don’t know about ‘Farenheit 9/11′. Is it a book or a film? Perhaps you could outline for me some of the central points and then we can engage.

  38. 9/11 No photo of a plane hitting Pentagon
    7/7 CCTV footage of mysterious car removed from camera at Luton Station and other inconsistencies.
    Just for a couple of examples.

  39. I think you do, Anon.

  40. Anon

    Don’t be so conspiracy smeary.

    To simply dismiss the possibility of state operations which propagate extreme theories to undermine real theories about state business is plain stupid. Or do you still believe the alien abduction stories?

  41. Menzies was not killed by mistake. He was an engineer on the London Underground and saw something that he was not supposed to have seen prior to 7/7. Why else would there be such a huge conspiracy to cover up his killing and promote all senior met officers for a job well done!

  42. Here’s a nice picture, Anon. Maybe they are all extras paid for by Michael Moore…

    https://twitter.com/Polka_bug/status/493008681722998784/photo/1

  43. The police sometimes respond to intelligence information with excessive adrenalin because alerts have been triggered in the system. They find it extremely difficult to switch off the adrenalin if the security alert turns out to be a false alarm.

    Sometimes my own persecutors (who are trying to stop the self-evident truth of Islam taking hold in the UK), react unprofessionally to me winding them up. They are simply not capable of digesting our exposure of the truth and their masters’ false-flag monster of Muslim extremism at the same time.

    I once burned out a customer’s Rolls Royce computer because I had left the foot-controlled handbrake on. I just thought the car was not working very well. Rolls Royce do not admit to faults in their machines. Similarly with the police with Jean Charles De Menenes, poor soul.

  44. At the time of his murder, we weren’t supposed to know about NSA and GCHQ spying or false-flag terrorism, so an investigation into human error would have exposed too many secrets about Her Majesty’s methods of staying on her stinky FID. DEF. throne.

  45. “missing CCTV footage of 9/11 and 7/7″

    The key missing CCTV footage re 911 is footage of the Pentagon incident. Several cameras will have caught it but we’ve only been allowed to see four measly frames, which show nothing of note, not even a plane.

    The key missing CCTV footage re 7/7 is footage of the alleged bombers getting on the train at Luton or alighting at King’s Cross on the morning in question. We’ve only been allowed to see one measly frame of them entering Luton station, but this appears to have been doctored and may date from an earlier occasion.

    There are odd bits of CCTV footage that do exist but I believe the above are the main missing items.

  46. “Menzies was not killed by mistake. He was an engineer on the London Underground and saw something that he was not supposed to have seen prior to 7/7.”

    What did he see, Khan. Do tell.

  47. Hi MJ

    What do you think really happened on 7/7? As far as I can recall the bombers posted video evidence of their intentions online, but perhaps you have an alternative theory?

  48. He was an engineer on the London Underground and saw something that he was not supposed to have seen prior to 7/7.

    Khan or anyone – have you some evidence to back this. I want to advise my friends at J7.

    These are the Jean Charles de Menezes Inquest Transcripts & Evidence from the J7 site.

    http://julyseventh.co.uk/j7-jean-charles-de-menezes-inquest/index.html

    Credit & special thanks to Ant & Bridget xx

  49. Peacewisher

    Hand on heart I have never heard of ‘Farenheit 9/11′. Could you please provide a rough outline of what it is about and then perhaps we can engage in a discussion.

  50. Sir Michael Wright is a paid up member of the Establishment, also a Freemason. He is not about to upset the applecart and put his cosy little sinecure in danger. The Security service also have some compromising material as to his strange peccadiloes. Do not expect justice in British Court of Law.If you are up against the System. you are guilty unless you have friends in HIGH PLACES as in the Rebekah Brooks farce.
    Another good reason for Scottish Independece.

  51. “What do you think really happened on 7/7?”

    Sorry, I have no theories. I was just drawing attention to the missing evidence. If there was reliable footage of them boarding at Luton and alighting at King’s Cross at certain times I’d doubtless surmise that they got on and off at those times and locations, which would be a start.

    Prerecorded videos posted online are not evidence of what actually happened that day, CCTV footage is.

  52. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Anon 26 Jul, 2014 – 12:45 pm

    “I’ve heard it said that 9/11 was a hoax and there were in fact no planes. Are you expounding no planes theory” or the hologram version?”

    Are those the only conspiracy theories about 911 that you’ve heard, Anon?
    If so, you should do some research rather than display your ignorance.
    If not, you reveal a lot about yourself by referencing those theories rather than more plausible ones.

  53. Node

    “You reveal a lot about yourself by referencing those theories rather than more plausible ones.”

    For crying out loud, Node! All I want to know about is the more plausible theories. Can you separate the wheat from the chaff here, enlighten me as to what really happened, because no one seems forthcoming.

  54. you reveal a lot about yourself by referencing those theories rather than more plausible ones.

    Anon does not repeat, does not do subtlety there is a need for crayons and drawing pads.

  55. Anyone else on here never heard of “Fahrenheit 9/11″?

  56. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:26 pm

    Thanks Craig, this story goes to the heart of solit loyalties and vested interests thnat are ripping the whole system apart.

    The Met, public services, police in general, are still harbouring one of the least tackled discrepancies today which covers up some hiodeous crimes and which should be the issue to tackle in the 21st century.

    FREEMASONRY! Men who pledge an oath of loyalty to a secret society of men. They should now be outed as what they are, manipulators of the law, of regulations and of society.

    Name a freemason today! Public services should work to serve us all, women, children and men. Freemasonry and party politics both have ruined Britain. Peadophiles could get away with what they were doing because they were protected by these secret organisation, pervading the MI’s and their hold on the establishment, their influence in the appointment of just about anyone in the public sphere, safe hands to keep up the facade.

    Thanks for this Craig.
    BTW. Is the Met telling us that they did not have a phonefix on to whoever accessed Millie’s phone and/or manipulated her personal account?

    I think that the whole inquiery into this sad saga was cut short because it threatened to stop Scotland Yard from working, with corridors full of vitally shredded materials blocking the day to day workplace….
    And for what it might have exposed. One could say that this country, ala Belgium, is covering up a huge scandal, and the Met, and other forces are up to their necks in it.
    Am I the only one who thinks this? I let you answer the question.

  57. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    that is ‘split loyalties’

  58. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:31 pm

    Anon 26 Jul, 2014 – 2:21 pm
    “For crying out loud, Node! All I want to know about is the more plausible theories. Can you separate the wheat from the chaff here, enlighten me as to what really happened, because no one seems forthcoming.”

    Please answer my question: are those two 911 theories you referenced the only 911 conspiracy theories that you have heard?

  59. Peacewisher

    “Anyone else on here never heard of “Fahrenheit 9/11″?”

    Dear God. I’m sure everyone here has it beside their bed, but for the unenlightened, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS ABOUT. Why are you so afraid?

  60. Node

    “Please answer my question: are those two 911 theories you referenced the only 911 conspiracy theories that you have heard?”

    Yes, what others are there? Why are you so afraid of discussing them?

  61. God there’s an awful lot of coyness here.

  62. I heard at the time that he worked with London transport as an electrician. Does it say anwhere on the inquest who his employer was ?
    I remember also at the time, photo’s from the trains showing holes in the floor,metal bent up the way.Haven’t seen them since.
    And it is fishy when suudenly there is a CCTV black out on all the camera’s that would’ve sown what happened on and off the train….as there was on 7/7.You can’t fart in public without it being filmed unless it is something of extreme importance…. then its not just one camera out of order… it’s a series,from train platforms ,busses and tube stations and tube’s themselves.I bet that company lost their contract, NOT !!
    Dubai showed the world how CCTV can identify and follow murderers. Mossad in this case.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzzzTtpo8AY
    The best that Scotland Yard can do is hastily arranged stills that didn’t fit the narrative… British rail doesn’t always run on time.

  63. It was in 2005 that Conservative MP Andrew Tyrie became Founding Chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Extraordinary Rendition that examined the issue of extraordinary rendition and other related issues of State criminality. Tyrie quoted the ‘right honourable’ Jack Straw MP as saying:

    “Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States… there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom had been involved in rendition.”

    In late October 2012 Ian Cobain, in his book Cruel Brittainia, disclosed that Britain had been advised “within days” of 11th September 2001 of the American’s plans to abduct ‘suspects’ and transport them to secret military prisons around the world. Cobain also revealed that “MI5 and MI6 officers carried out around 100 interrogations at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Guantanamo’s Camp Seven didn’t officially exist for two years owing to a conspiracy to keep its existence secret, and it is there the CIA abuses and violates ‘interrogates’ its 14 choice alleged ‘terrorists’ and for which a $49 million request for a Camp Seven revamp has recently been submitted by the United States Southern Command.

    In light of these revelations it’s worth re-considering Jack Straw’s words:

    “Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States… there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom had been involved in rendition.”

    For the avoidance of doubt and in Straw’s own words, everyone was right to believe in the rendition and torture “conspiracy theories”; right to believe “that the officials [were] lying”; right to believe that “[Jack Straw was] lying” and, further, right to believe “there is some kind of secret state which is league with some dark forces in the United States.”

    Another so called conspiracy theory was, in a relatively short period of time, exposed as a conspiracy fact. Better still, we have in the words of Jack Straw official confirmation of the existence of a “secret state” that operates hidden from public view, thereby making the age old “conspiracy theory” about the existence of an international Secret State, officially, a “conspiracy fact”.

    J7 Update

  64. Anon: CAN YOU PLEASE use GooGle and stop shouting ! Or are you unenlightened ’bout that too ?

  65. Donny

    Just tell me. Why are you so shy?

  66. Khan

    We all see and hear things we are not supposed to know. We are not supposed to know that ISIS/ Islamic Emirate took permission for attacking Mosul and Baghdad from the Chief intelligence officer, Barzani’s son, of Kurdistan, the Israel-affiliated Chief intelligence officer of Jordan, from US intelligence head, from William Hague FCO, and of several heads of banned Islamic groups.

    We only know because the Israeli -backed PKK leaked the info.

    So we are not supposed to know that the Islamic Emirate is a tool for the creation of the Greater Israel in the lands of Syria and Iraq. We are not supposed to know that Israel regards Kurdistan and Afghanistan as belonging to the lost tribes of Judaea after Allah dispersed them for their idolatry and brutality.

    We are not supposed to know that the warring Jihadists have massacred thousands of practising Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, and Africa on the basis that they were deficient in their practise of Islam. We are supposed as Muslims to respect their brutal violence on a basis of trust in the same way the English are supposed to respect the police’s brutal violence on a basis of trust.

    Political Islam and the Zionist West are the same thing. Live with it. Put up with it. The way to put Islam and truth up. so far as I’m concerned, is not to hope that the enemies of Islam are going to do it for you. Political Muslim leaders are beyond stupidity and so are the Zionists. We have to make another plan to show the real nature of Islam through the ways of our prophet peace be upon him.

    The Companions of our prophet were not permitted to remain in Mecca under a political agreement with their enemies, the idol-worshippers. But every boy in the Benefit Britain mosques is chatting about when they went and when they plan to go to Syria.
    oh we weren’t supposed to know that either.

    They are supposed to emigrate to a place that is run and controlled by Islam. Hence the need for Israel to create such a place, to legitimise jihad (their use of Jihadists to carve out a Greater Israel for them) in the eyes of the Muslims.

    This is all very old stuff, and well past its sell-by date. I was being promised the Arab spring and Caliphate 12 years ago by those who knew about the Zionist plans. Now that we see the mountains of destruction in those Muslim countries, Political Islam is finally exposed as a total fraud and a waste of time.

  67. For a start, there’s the “magic arab” theory. Briefly, this proposes that 4 regular US domestic flights were hijacked by 19 muslim fanatics, armed only with box-cutters and under the control of a fiendish matermind in a cave in Afghanistan, who managed to evade all security and take control of said planes, which they steered with pinpoint precision into WTC and the Pentagon.

    Before you laugh I should point out that there is actually some evidence to support this theory. It was briefly run past us on September 13, but isn’t referred to much these days. Curiously, those who propose this particular theory are often in my experience the least likely to know or remember what the evidence actually is and are most reluctant to discuss the matter.

  68. Seems the CCTV on the London underground, and on the occasional bus, has a habit of breaking down at key moments…

  69. For a comprehensive discussion of the events of 9/11 this is worth your time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

  70. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    26 Jul, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    Google result:

    “Craig Murray – Blog Archive – The Disgraceful Sir Michael Wright, A …”

    Fourth entry on the first page for me. That’s my first Google search today. My router was off overnight so so it should be my first search from the IP address I was assigned half an hour ago. My browser had no Google cookie to submit.

    What did you enter in the search bar? I should be fully equipped with surveillance tools from Google, and it would be interesting to compare notes.

  71. “For a start, there’s the “magic arab” theory.”

    What is ‘magic’ about hijacking a plane, MJ? Clearly you do not believe the planes were hijacked, so it is fair to ask what you do believe. Don’t be shy, lay it out. I promise you there is absolutely no reason to be afraid. Variety is the spice of life!

  72. Anon. One can only guess you’ve hit your head and forgotten how to spell Habbabuk.

  73. Lwtc247

    Please inform readers what your name stands for.

  74. Anon, there are very few moderation policy rules here at Craig’s, but not diverting threads onto 9/11 is one of them, which could explain why you’re not getting answers. Here, this might help:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit_911

  75. is it spelt BBCHijack?

  76. I was inviting someone remind us of the evidence supporting the hijack theory, which is perhaps the most commonly held theory and therefore deserves a little scrutiny before we move on to other ones. It’s not a trick, there is some evidence to support the theory. Don’t be shy, lay it out. I promise you there is absolutely no reason to be afraid.

  77. Ba’al Zevul, 3:12 pm; my search string:

    Sir Michael Wright

  78. or CCTVHabit?

  79. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    26 Jul, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    Anon 26 Jul, 2014 – 2:39 pm

    “Yes [those are the only 911 conspiracy theories I have heard], what others are there? Why are you so afraid of discussing them?”

    I’m not afraid of discussing them, in fact I would enjoy discussing them with someone in good faith. However, you don’t qualify. Your claim is implausible, like someone claiming the only thing he knows about Tony Blair is that he is a committed Christian.

    Most of us come here to discuss things in good faith. The honest exchange of beliefs is a powerful mechanism for clarifying thought. Several people pooling their opinions and knowledge can lead to a deeper understanding for all involved, including onlookers.

    For some reason a few like to disrupt this exchange, probably for diverse reasons – ideological; attention-seeking; to protect those that the truth might damage. Your claims are blatantly dishonest so you’re not ideologically motivated, and I can’t have a discussion in good faith with the other two types. Therefore, I will not discuss my 911 beliefs with you, except to say this : some people try to inhibit understanding of what happened that day by disrupting discussion about it.

  80. Clark

    “Anon, there are very few moderation policy rules here at Craig’s, but not diverting threads onto 9/11 is one of them, which could explain why you’re not getting answers.”

    Bollocks, Clark. All sorts of crackpots here have been suggesting conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 and 7/7, I’ve been asking for clarification. The idea that I’m not getting answers because they’re sticking to the rules having previously broken them is laughable, as you well know.

  81. Node

    Why won’t you discuss your ‘9/11 beliefs’? I’m not disrupting discussion about it, I’m encouraging it. What do you believe?

  82. The 9/11 thread has been reopened for comments. Further 9/11 discussion here will be deleted.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post/comment-page-10/

  83. douglas clark

    26 Jul, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Craig,

    Oh dear,

    Your chums on here, the btl commentators, are a bunch of fruit loops.

    That is quite sad, for your own commentary deserves a bit better than this.

  84. Nice one, MJ! There’s also that conspiracy theory that after 10 years of sanctions, inspections, and the gradual starvation of his people, Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    There was even a more outrageous version of the WMD theory that said these WMD could hit us in 45 minutes. Rumour had it that this was displayed on the front page of the most popular paper in Britain, so some thought must have been true.

    Thankfully, none believes these conspiracy theories now, but the same storytellers are still at work. Well. you can fool some of the people some of the time…

  85. With the search term “Sir Michael Wright” Startpage delivers Craig’s 2008 article as the third result.

  86. “There’s also that conspiracy theory that after 10 years of sanctions, inspections, and the gradual starvation of his people, Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction”

    Any conspiracy theory worth the name will be based on at least one piece of evidence. On that basis the WMD theory doesn’t qualify for the label.

  87. “There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”

    Oscar Wilde

    I guess the current version of “Anon” is one of those trolls or shills that Edward Snowden talked about originating from one of our great spy agencies to disrupt dissent in blogs such as this.

    Personally I think it is fine to talk about these individuals and their intentions but never to make the mistake of entering into dialogue with them or answering any of their facile questions especially when the answer is only a few mouse clicks away on google.

  88. LOL, MJ

    Wasn’t there some evidence about Saddam getting yellowcake from Nigeria. Apparently looked very suspicious to many. Could even be used as the payload (!)

  89. “Wasn’t there some evidence about Saddam getting yellowcake from Nigeria”

    No. It was proven to be fake, almost on day one.

  90. But that bit didn’t fit the theory, MJ, so we wouldn’t have been told… oh yes, then there was the great ogre who took babies from incubators, and let them die on the floor, and such people could do anything….

    wasn’t that true either?

  91. ” The recent revelation that the Met spied on Menezes’ family sparked very little public interest. ”

    Possibly because it didn’t come as much of a surprise. I think most people will remember the smear campaign, the lies and the cover up but we’ve been here before.

    http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/met-spied-on-lawrence-family

  92. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    26 Jul, 2014 - 5:32 pm

    Clark –

    No. 4 on my search (Google.com, not UK)

    Well done, Craig.

  93. Something I noticed about Google recently when I was searching for a specific comment; searching on a specific phrase, on the specific site craigmurray.org.uk, returns no results on google.com. It only works on google.co.uk.

  94. My latter point, about Iraq news late 2002/early 2003, was that if people at the top of government were telling blatant lies, and getting away with it, this despicable behaviour was bound to descend the food chain. There was even lying in high level reports… e.g. not quoting sources (for obvious reasons!)… in the dodgy dossier.

    And once trust has gone, it is difficult to get back.

  95. “And once trust has gone, it is difficult to get back.”

    Specifically, trust has to be earned, whereas the opposite has happened.

  96. searching on a specific phrase, on the specific site craigmurray.org.uk, returns no results on google.com. It only works on google.co.uk.

    There be shenanigans afoot in the robot.txt file

    =====

    Iraq news late 2002/early 2003, was that if people at the top of government were telling blatant lies, and getting away with it, this despicable behaviour was bound to descend the food chain. There was even lying in high level reports… e.g. not quoting sources (for obvious reasons!)… in the dodgy dossier.

    Whence any state engages in criminal conduct as standard, ultimately her citizen will follow suit. Justice Jackson

  97. The word ‘murder’ is being misused. The killing of Menezes was a tragic error. If the police initially believed that Menezes was a terrorist, this would explaining their spying on his family. I imagine that such activity declined once it became evident that a terrible mistake had been made.

  98. No Abe they spied on his family AFTER the killing when the family were trying to get some justice and discover the truth.

    This is Cressida Dick, “Gold Commander” on the day of the Stockwell shooting, giving a very dismal interview after the Lee Rigby verdict.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25446194

  99. @Abe: their phones were being hacked by Glenn Mulcaire. This got out onto twitter with the rest in the days before people could do a “McAlpine”, but it escaped wider media reporting.

  100. police initially believed that Menezes was a terrorist, this would explaining their spying on his family. I imagine that such activity declined once it became evident that a terrible mistake had been made.

    Nice bit of revisionism, if only the initial reports were not telling of a “Muslim Terrorist”! Any surveillance on the poor family of the murdered Jean, would have flagged; he is a decent Catholic boy.

    Hence it is post the murder of of Jean his family are spied on too, in case they have got to know the stuff of puffer jackets bare wires and CCTV down as well as athletically jumping over the barriers and not paying the tube fare, damn those free loading terrorists!

  101. Anyone tried the fifth link julyseventh ?

    What did you get?

  102. Douglas Clark

    btl. Try commenting on li[n]es you do understand before trying to read between the li[n]es you don’t understand.

  103. Snool Britannia

    26 Jul, 2014 - 7:41 pm

    If your British police state weren’t hopelessly degenerate, you’d have a dozen Christopher Dorners pitching in to cull these pigs.

  104. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    26 Jul, 2014 - 8:48 pm

    Chris Dorner burnt alive by cops who won’t risk a fingernail of their own in the performance of duties. Cops routinely pepper suspect cars with a Gazan precision because they value their own hides to the detriment of the public.

    The two old ladies and their newspaper delivery truck (with over a hundred bullet holes) was not a rookie mistake.
    Many of the shooters had detective badges; our finest. Of course they received cash-cow justice, courtesy of the taxpayers. I think if pensions of the complicit could be raided for compensation, the trigger-happy might think twice.

    Their response is much like the IDF; overwhelming force and ‘shock & awe’ with little or no consequence. Fullerton, california police who beat an autistic man to death, were dutifully given a free-pass by the jury. Justice, of course, is not a guarantee, just a snowball’s chance in Hell. The public doesn’t feel safe unless they are given free-reign to dispense street-corner justice. It’s all good, because it only happens to other people.

  105. The Sir Michael Wright post that Craig did came up fourth on my search too.

    DoNNyDarKo:

    I’ve had similar results looking for those pictures of the 7/7 trains and like you, I can distinctly remember seeing numerous soon after the event. Time to have a look at some of my older hard drives.

  106. I don’t think we really know who De Menezes was or why he died, so I find it hard to be appalled or surprised at the surveillance. The official version of this horrifying and very disturbing incident doesn’t ring true at all, any more than the murder of Stephen Lawrence does. I can’t help thinking that the police in this case, as well as with Lawrence, are taking the rap for other people in the state apparatus and to try to hide the real motivations for what happened.

  107. Clark wrote:

    Something I noticed about Google recently when I was searching for a specific comment; searching on a specific phrase, on the specific site craigmurray.org.uk, returns no results on google.com. It only works on google.co.uk.

    Just tried a search on google.com using site:craigmurray.org.uk and it worked okay for me Clark.

    Also – I note that although google searches for “Sir Michael Wright” display Craig’s article prominently, Microsoft’s Bing doesn’t even have it on the front page although it does appear on page 2 of the Bing results for me.

  108. Tom

    I know who I am but I’ve absolutely no idea who I am on the government’s file. It probably says I’m mad because I had a breakdown, and bad because I’m a Muslim, and sad because I don’t swallow the lies fed me by my Prevent Muslim overlords.

    The other day I was having a row with my wife, about politics, and whether the Islamic Caliphah is a Zionist creation , and we got buzzed by a helicopter. So who are the fruit loops?
    ye olde fartes in ye Houses of parlemente who are universal friends of Israel, or us seekers of truth???

    The powers that be are still unable to admit that they spy on Muslims in their homes, so they fire up the chopper to get their message across. The death of jean Charles De Menezes was not a tragic accident. If you drive too fast you can’t call it an accident if you have a crash. It’s a deliberate calculated and reckless mistake.

    The security forces are so fired up on government anti-Muslim shit that they can’t tell the difference between a human being and an X box animation. Not fruit loops:- cocaine loops. They spend so much time eavesdropping on us normal human beings and ignoring the boringness of our humble existences, that when the order comes down to shoot, out of sheer, mindnumbing boredom – straightaway they shoot.

  109. Well done for raising this Craig. This was a very dark day in our modern history.

  110. Tom: You should be aware that murder may indeed not be an appropriate term, as the police officers themselves would have been under orders. Tariq Ali called it an execution live on a British radio debate (and got plenty of applause).

    He revised this further for his 2006 book “Rough Music: Blair Bombs Baghdad London Terror” to “Public Execution”. Wow… was that really 8 years ago…

  111. When Craig testified before the JCHR about Torture he stated that the US and UK had created a ‘market’ for torture, merely by using information gathered by torture.

    Something of this idea applies to spying as well. A market is created for working for the powers that be. Some Muslims are devious enough to seek favour from the authorities by ‘selling’ their Muslim brothers to them, causing them problems in their daily lives. They stole my car keys and burnt out my car. They spread malicious rumours about me in the Muslim community.

    But far more worrying than these pathetic Muslim politicos are the humble police officers who actually believe the shit being fed them by the security services. Last time I went to leafy Sussex I got picked up by local police alerts the second I arrived at the shingle of Seaford beach, and when I left the town later on they snook up behind me in their patrol car a layby in the middle of nowhere while I was making a phone call.

    All I do is make comments on CM blog. I ask you, who are the real fruit loops?

  112. AlcAnon/Squonk, 10:19 pm; yes, I just tried it and got the correct result from both google.com and google.co.uk. It was a few months ago that I encountered the problem. I tried it several times over the course of some weeks; I ended up bookmarking both advanced search pages.

  113. Blairs seem to have fallen out with the Daily Mirror:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-blairs-son-extraordinary-legal-3919614

    And the change.org petition seems to have gained new traction… now approaching 50000.

  114. Migrant throws petrol bomb at town hall in bid to be sent back to Poland

    A fed-up Pole firebombed a town hall in an attempt to be send back to his home country.

    Maciej Maciejewski, 34, waited at the scene to be arrested and told police: “I just want to go back to Poland.”

    Less said about the people smuggling rings for taking immigrants out of UK are getting quietly busted with no song and dance.

    Mind “green shoots of recovery” are everywhere, and the booming poverty is a clear indication of economy being at the cusp of a trough.

  115. Yes Fourth in a Google Search.

    So they can murder innocent’s in front of dozens of witnesses, it’s only cos they Know they’ll get away with it…Rotten to to the Core…Swines.

    Mark @ 11;33 am

    “Keep in mind that Malaysia is an independently minded country that has indicted Bush and Blair for war crimes.”

    They have just done the same with Israel….but what shall become of the findings, Sigh –

    Israel Charged with War Crimes and Genocide. Complete Judgment of Kuala Lumpur Tribunal

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-charged-with-war-crimes-and-genocide-complete-judgment-of-kl-tribunal/5359433

  116. In the 7/7 Ripple Effect video, John Anthony Hill wonders if Jean Charles De Menezes could have been contracted to do electrical work for the real perpetrators and was likely to realise this, making him a target for elimination. Has anything ever come to light in this regard?

  117. Rob Royston

    “In the 7/7 Ripple Effect video, John Anthony Hill wonders if Jean Charles De Menezes could have been contracted to do electrical work for the real perpetrators and was likely to realise this, making him a target for elimination. Has anything ever come to light in this regard?”

    Who, in your mind, were the “real perpetrators”, Rob?

  118. And again I would ask for no shyness in coming forward.

  119. We don’t know anything about JC De Menezes Electrical work/
    We don’t know anything about the “real perpetrators”.
    So there’s no point in speculating about what we don’t know.

    All we know is that the police have vast resources for obtaining information and yet mysteriously they say that they do not follow people who are their own suspects, and they do follow people who are not suspects and kill them in cold blood.

    Evidence is made available about their patsies because they are using them to build a myth about Islamic terrorism. What is a patsy? Someone who they have got some leverage on about something they have done, but who isn’t a terrorist. Jean Charles may have fallen into that category, but he decided not to be manipulated into doing what they wanted.

    Freedom of spirit is a Neo-con thought crime.

  120. Anon

    Run out of ideas? Don’t worry, Humbug will be back on shift soon.

  121. Guano

    We know a lot about the real perpetrators. They posted video of themselves and their intentions online. Clearly you have different ideas. Might I ask what these are?

    “A myth about Islamic terrorism”

    Probably the most laughable thing I’ve read in over a year of posting on the Craig Murray blog forum.

    Mr Gibbs
    Made his dibs
    From selling the turds
    Of foreign birds

  122. The most laughable thing I have noticed on the CM blog is the narrative the jews like Anon would have us dumb goyim believe, that the poor starving Palestinian Muslims living on a small blockaded piece of land 20 miles x 4.5 miles in Gaza, surrounded entirely by jews, lobbing kitchen rockets are the aggressors in a conflict , where the “attacked” hold 250 nuclear bombs,2000 F-6s, 4 nuclear subs and “control and own America” !!

    Its almost as laughable as asking the 800k jews who followed the Rabbi(“goyim are born to serve us”)Ovadia to believe that he requested to be buried in a pink yarmulke !

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jul, 2014 - 6:53 am

    “Its almost as laughable as asking the 800k jews who followed the Rabbi(“goyim are born to serve us”)Ovadia to believe that he requested to be buried in a pink yarmulke !”
    _____________________

    It might be a little difficult to be buried IN a yarmulke (of whatever colour) given that a yarmulke is a small skullcap measuring a mere couple of inches by a couple of inches.

    As always, though, I stand willing to be corrected.

  124. Craig,

    “Michael Wright” – your 2008 article came 98th on my google search.

    Then I searched for “Sir Michael Wright” – top of the list!

  125. Anon would have us dumb goyim believe, that the poor starving Palestinian Muslims living on a small blockaded piece of land 20 miles x 4.5 miles in Gaza, surrounded entirely by jews, lobbing kitchen rockets are the aggressors in a conflict , where the “attacked” hold 250 nuclear bombs,2000 F-6s, 4 nuclear subs and “control and own America” !!

    Yeah those ballistic intercontinental rockets tipped with fireworks and sparklers can do a lot of damage, you know!

    Pathetic isn’t it? But that is the ugly reality of the twenty first century that defenceless people are kept in a concentration camp under a regiment of medieval siege with no access for outsiders to send in aid, and food. The fact never publicised is the plane load of medical supplies sitting in Cairo Airport and is not allowed to reach Gaza. Warsaw ghetto was not as harsh as Gaza, there are no records of German troops shelling and bombing the place and killing lots of its residents and turning ten percent of them into homeless refugees with in the confines the ghetto.

    So far as the pink stuff goes that is Soros lgbt politics to further fragment and confuse the issues that ought to be focused on. Rabbi Oviadia was no pink wearing sort, and he is on record to know if Sharon the butcher of Sabra and Shatila massacre was making the right decision though the consistency of his own stools. Rabbi’s soft stool meant Sharon will not be making good decisions that day, however if his stool were hard he was happy in the knowledge that Sharon will be making the right decisions all day long.

  126. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    27 Jul, 2014 - 10:20 am

    @Harry
    Did you mean this incident Harry.

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/berlin-unbekannter-attackiert-israelische-touristen-in-discothek-a-703319.html

    Berliner nightclub Matrix, 3 am in the morning. A Israeli topurist age 22 was asked to his whereabouts and when he said Israel, he was punched and beaten by what was most likely a Palestinian. His friend came to the rescue after narrowly missing a beerglass thrown at him. Outside they were all subsuded by pepperspray.
    The attacker bolted and the two called the police. Thats the Staats sicherheits polizei, not your usual copper, those who deal with terror incidents.

    There was another case, link on the same page at the bopttom, of a dance troop being verbally embarrassed somewhere else. Despicable, but inevitable, due to the circumstance we find oursaelves in.

    If they ban demonstrations supporting Palestinians here and in Germany, against the laws of free speech, all hell would break loose, me thinks

  127. Gosh we’ve gone from 7/7 conspiracy theory back to the Jews. If anyone can link the two then the comments section will have achieved a kind of perfection. First prize of a pink yarmulke to anyone who can link 7/7 with the Jews.

  128. @RD”: What I find (morbidly) fascinating is that the BBC are trying to fight to propaganda war on two fronts: pro-Israel anti-Palestine on the one hand, and pro-Ukraine anti-Russia on the other. I’ve notice that most of the news media just do one, and leave the other alone in their commentary. This is sensible because no-one knows how the two conflicts may interact in future. As a peacewisher, I would hope that they cancel each other out with minimal bloodshed…

  129. Sorry, wrong thread. Meant for RD not Anon, who I’ve given up on.

  130. Peacewisher

    If you go over to a pro-Israel site and read the comments you’ll find the BBC frequently accused of being biased towards the Palestinian side.

    You see, you have nutters on the one side who would wish the coverage was entirely pro-Palestinian and nutters on the other side who would wish it was all pro-Israel. Let’s hope the BBC continues to maintain a straight course and isn’t suckered into taking sides by either of the lunatic fringes.

  131. Nevermind

    Also some free Palestine demonstrators have taken to spraying swastikas on public monuments, wearing football shirts with the name ‘Hitler’ on the back and waving placards saying ‘Hitler was right’. Why are all Jews hated like this for the actions of the Israeli government?

  132. Anon

    Sleep. Humbug is on duty now.

    Humbug,
    who are the ‘real perpetrators’ of a false-flag crime please?

    Humbug,
    how can an English Jew, Peter Lerner, be an IDF apologist for 1000 deaths in Gaza?
    Are there 2 separate moralities, one for Gaza and one for England?
    Do we bomb the cities where individuals have committed crimes?
    Has his English passport been revoked now?

    Humbug,
    All the above questions in relation to English Muslims and Syria.
    How can an English Muslim be a Jihadist apologist for hundreds of thousands of Muslim deaths in Syria?
    Are there 2 separate moralities, one for the innocent citizens of Syria and one for England?
    Do we bomb the cities, as Assad has done, where individuals have committed crimes?
    Has the West put out an international arrest warrant for Assad?

    In other words, is it helpful to humanity that all UK politicians now see the world through the prism of what is beneficial to Israel, rather than the previous reputation of England as an honest broker for human justice in the world?
    Where has that gone?
    Who is going to do that role now?

    Answer in humbug, we will understand what you mean.

  133. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    27 Jul, 2014 - 11:12 am

    Anon. Don’t know why you ask me specifically, I only linked to what Harry weas referring to.
    If you are insinuationg that Germany somehow is especially virulent against jews/jewish interests, thenm you are wholly mistaken. This sort of scape goating does not work anymore.

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1439435.ece

    telling us once again what and what we can’t say and what some say is anti semitic. poor darlings have had it soo bad and now the bhobnailboots are on the other foot.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israelgaza-conflict-most-british-jews-feel-they-are-blamed-for-actions-of-israeli-government-9623740.html

  134. Gosh we’ve gone from 7/7 conspiracy theory back to the Jews. If anyone can link the two then the comments section will have achieved a kind of perfection. First prize of a pink yarmulke to anyone who can link 7/7 with the Jews.

    Thank you for reminding us all that we cannot mention, talk, contemplate to mention, think of ever mentioning the word J-w, for the powerful lobby that protects the almighty supreme beings has thus forbidden us the lowly goyem cattle from ever thinking to mention mention, or any such like in our free societies and our freedom of expression is limited to swearing at the Muslims, Blacks, and Pakistanis, especially Muslims, because they are deserving case of derision and racism.

    Also some free Palestine demonstrators have taken to spraying swastikas on public monuments, wearing football shirts with the name ‘Hitler’ on the back and waving placards saying ‘Hitler was right’. Why are all Jews hated like this for the actions of the Israeli government?

    Where would all be without that Austrian painter? Which group is most obsessed by the untalented little Austrian painter, and his misuse of the Indian good luck sign namely swastika?

    Call the FBI, and get caught

    Then there is the cased of Dr Sheldon Jacobson, a Jewish dentist, discovered a fire in the form of a large swastika burning on his lawn.

    Just to mention a couple, evidently any time going get tough, zionists get painting and writing graffiti.

    If you go over to a pro-Israel site and read the comments you’ll find the BBC frequently accused of being biased towards the Palestinian side.

    They are too busy debating shooting pregnant Palestinian mothers; this way they score two with one shot!

  135. 13th on Yahoo

  136. 4 men shot at Canary wharf on 7/7. People working in offices were told to remain for their own safety.The shooting was witnessed by quite a few,reported on TV,by NZ station that happened to be there.
    An area that is extremely well covered by CCTV just happened to have a blackout during this time.Like everywhere involved in that day.
    I doubt you can connect 7/7 with Jews, but the CCTV company in charge of security for London Transport was Israeli. So join dots and bingo, Israeli connection.
    I am sure it is pure coincidence.

  137. Anon
    26 Jul, 2014 – 12:54 pm

    “I don’t know but it must have been well paid as be was able to afford cocaine. The cocaine in his system at the time of the shooting might have led to agitated behaviour, arousing suspicions that led to the tragic mistake.”

    Can you back that up Anon?

  138. Anon
    26 Jul, 2014 – 2:08 pm

    Peacewisher
    “Hand on heart I have never heard of ‘Farenheit 9/11′. Could you please provide a rough outline of what it is about and then perhaps we can engage in a discussion.”
    ————————————

    Why don’t you google it you stupid Kunt?

  139. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    That needs a link, Kurtan. Here’s the original report:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10334992

  140. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    27 Jul, 2014 - 12:27 pm

    Do you think that they were politcally motivated, Ba’al, or could it be that the shady deals of HSBC have come home to roost?

    At least we know who the Met protects at all times, long before us taxpayers come into it.

  141. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    I have honestly no idea, Nevermind. The 7/7 narrative is disconnected at too many points to draw any conclusions.

  142. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    “I doubt you can connect 7/7 with Jews ….”

    Mossad chief Meir Dagan, in an interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag:

    “The Mossad office in London received advance notice about the attacks, but only six minutes before the first blast, the paper reports, confirming an earlier AP report. As a result, it was impossible to take any action to prevent the blasts.”

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2005/07/18/mossad-chief-confirms-netanyahus-warning-of-london-bombing/

  143. The masses of the “write off the African debt” perambulating in the streets of Edinburgh sporting their wristbands, and others milling around the summit location, all expecting the debt to be written off, including Saint Geldof and Cardinal Bono putting in an appearance, and raising everyone’s expectations, something had to give, or it would have been egg on the face all around.

    Ergo the “war of the worlds” incident. Anyone remember the nicea boy with his tie standing in front of the tube station with loads of single shoes (women’s) he had found and offering to hand it back to its owners? Strange as it may seem that was aired as news too, clearly not an agent of any sorts and his swarthy complexion was telling of his tanning sessions in the sun.

    Lots or strange things happened around then, if anyone could have recorded the broadcasts, it would be a veritable mine of wtf?

  144. Dozens of Israeli reservists have refused to join the army, signing a petition to condemn the Tel Aviv regime’s crimes against civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip.

    This is the kind of a Jew I would like to drink with in the pub and buy him a pint. Well done the lads for having the balls, guts, and humanity to see through the excuses of the murderous zionist scum.

  145. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jul, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    Fedup

    “Warsaw ghetto was not as harsh as Gaza, there are no records of German troops shelling and bombing the place and killing lots of its residents and turning ten percent of them into homeless refugees with in the confines the ghetto.”
    ____________________

    An exceedingly silly post even by your low standards, Fedup.

    Although it is true that the nature of the operation – to clear the ghetto of its onhabitants – meant the weapons used were small arms, light artillery, mortars, flamethrowers and grenades.

    As for the 10% you mention (presumable you refer to the percentage of Gazans displaced within Gaza?), the result pf the ghetto clearing was that 95% of the inhabitants of the ghetto who were not killed during the operation were shipped off out of the ghetto and gassed.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Since I’m in the process of dealing with your foolishness, let me ask you two questions:

    1/. I’m wondering why you so frequently use the expression “dumb goyim” to debote Gentiles?

    2/ Given that your posts reveal that you have anger issues, can you assure us that you were not doing time – perhaps for assault and battery? – without access to the internet during the six months or so you fell silent in this blog? I feel we should know where you’re coming from, so to speak.

    Thanks for a speedy reply,

    Your friend

    Habbabkuk

  146. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jul, 2014 - 2:07 pm

    Mr Scorgie (to Anon)

    “Why don’t you google it you stupid Kunt?”
    ______________________

    Well, firstly, Doug, you’re intervening unhelpfully in an exchange between Anon and Peacewisher. If you are really unable to restraint yourself, perhaps YOU could be constructive and help Anon by providing a summary of the plot of Fahrenheit 9/11?

    Secondly, it might not have occurred to you that Anon is testing Peacewisher to see if the latter knows what he’s talking about and is making rational analogies as opposed to just posting the first thing that comes into his silly little head?

    Sorry to be so blunt, Doug, but this might be the only way to penetrate that thick bone of yours.

  147. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jul, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Nevermind

    Anon brings the following to our attention (and deserves thanks for it)

    “Also some free Palestine demonstrators have taken to spraying swastikas on public monuments, wearing football shirts with the name ‘Hitler’ on the back and waving placards saying ‘Hitler was right’. Why are all Jews hated like this for the actions of the Israeli government?”

    What is your answer to that question, Herr Ingo Bratwurstmitkartoffeln?

  148. Chubby Pollard

    27 Jul, 2014 - 2:28 pm

    агитации is a two-edged sword. Get the military dimbulbs in a lather, and there’s no telling what might happen

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/27/stranglehold-on-america/

    because witch hunts are fun for the whole family.

  149. “2/ Given that your posts reveal that you have anger issues, can you assure us that you were not doing time – perhaps for assault and battery? – without access to the internet during the six months or so you fell silent in this blog? I feel we should know where you’re coming from, so to speak.”

    A good observation, Habbabkuk. However I have an alternative theory. Fedup had major issues before his departure, decided to leave the blog after he became a total embarrassment to the residences, returned months later and for a while, realizing what a prick he had been before, attempted to be normal. However, he couldn’t keep this facade up for long and within about a week or so had reverted to type. He is either permanently pissed or raving mad, perhaps both.

    That said you may well be right as six months is the usual period of incarceration for assault.

  150. Komodo

    Good to see you on the weekend, when normally you are too esteemed and important to comment.

    I was wondering, could you please update readers with your progress in forming protest groups outside synagogues? I would particularly like to know what measures the Israeli government has taken to deal with your campaign and whether you have been engaged in any direct talks with Netanyahu or the Americans.

  151. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    27 Jul, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    Did I hear some weasel whistling?

    Your discrete threats of ‘be careful’ was the start, now you are stalking me, in your own stupid form.
    I have answered Anons leading question, although it was stupid enough to be ignored, now you chime up with your arsefaceueberalles comments here.
    @Moderators What if the weasels name was known, and rather than addressing his moniker, we were able to use his full name and look up his address, etc. etc. and much more.

    Would you like this to happen here? Just as this has happened here?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gaza-war-saw-antisemitic-attacks-rise–to-record-high-1889936.html

    a phenomena that has happened in this country since the prgrom of 1411, when jews were burned, such as happened in the Cow tower in Norwich, for example.
    Maybe you two would like to address this phenomena of historic British Jew hatred before you start pissing in the wind, you two wannabe fascists you.

  152. “Thank you for reminding us all that we cannot mention, talk, contemplate to mention, think of ever mentioning the word J-w, for the powerful lobby that protects the almighty supreme beings has thus forbidden us the lowly goyem cattle from ever thinking to mention mention…” etc

    No one’s stopping you, Fedup. Just carry right on!

  153. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    27 Jul, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Why is the word Jew seen as a slur? I see all kinds of gymnastics to avoid like ‘jewish’ as though they are not fully Jew, but only partial like a foot or a small contribution of genes.

    Jews have no reason to be ashamed of the name they’re carried for thousands of years. Now when you say Zionist; them’s fightin’ words pardnah.

  154. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 4:28 pm

    ood to see you on the weekend, when normally you are too esteemed and important to comment.

    Why, thank you, and it is good to know you appreciate my input sufficiently to monitor my routine. But I don’t have a routine, so you are probably wasting your time as usual,

    I was wondering, could you please update readers with your progress in forming protest groups outside synagogues? I would particularly like to know what measures the Israeli government has taken to deal with your campaign and whether you have been engaged in any direct talks with Netanyahu or the Americans.

    I have formed a little group called Neonazi Antisemitic Eminences Against All Jews Everywhere, and we have already had some success in burning a yarmulke. We had to use a lot of petrol. And it smelt foul. I spoke to an American last week. He wanted directions to the car park. We received start-up funding from BICOM, on Israeli instructions*. Hope that helps.

    IOW, piss off, troll.

    *90% of our membership consists of agents provocateurs. This is a matter of some pride.

  155. doug scorgie

    27 Jul, 2014 - 5:16 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    27 Jul, 2014 – 2:07 pm

    “If you are really unable to restraint [please use a spelling and grammar programme] yourself, perhaps YOU could be constructive and help Anon by providing a summary of the plot of Fahrenheit 9/11?”

    Why does Anon need help? Is he an idiot?

    Any normal person, before engaging in debate, would research the subject at hand.

  156. doug scorgie

    27 Jul, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    27 Jul, 2014 – 2:12 pm

    “Also some free Palestine demonstrators have taken to spraying swastikas on public monuments, wearing football shirts with the name ‘Hitler’ on the back and waving placards saying ‘Hitler was right’.

    I doubt that. More likely to be a Zionist false flag as happens frequently in the USA.

    “Why are all Jews hated like this for the actions of the Israeli government?”

    Firstly, the Israeli government are all Jewish, every single one.

    Secondly, I ask, why are all Arabs, particularly Palestinians, hated (and being punished) by the Zionists for the actions of Hitler?

  157. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 5:34 pm

  158. “Metapedia is a multilingual “pro-European” electronic encyclopedia which states that it focuses on culture, art, science, philosophy and politics. It contains white nationalist, white supremacist, Neo-Nazi, and far-right points of view.

    The site has more than 15,000 articles in English and has versions in seventeen European languages. Topics covered include European history, Norse mythology, and white nationalist music. The Register states that “a good percentage of Metapedia’s content seems to be dedicated to Woden, the White Order of Thule, runes, and other subject matter which would undoubtedly have found favour with Aryan hocus-pocus aficionado Heinrich Himmler.” Crítica de la Argentina says it has glowing descriptions of Adolf Hitler and other Nazi figures. Daniel Goldhagendescribes it as seeking “to create (currently in 18 languages) an anti-Semitic informational universe.”

    According to the North Rhine-Westphalian Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Metapedia’s articles are characterized by historical revisionism and lauding Nazi Germany. For this reason, the German Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons (Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien) started an indexing process — that is, it is considering declaring Metapedia “harmful to young people”. In early 2007, within half a year of the launching of the original Swedish version, Metapedia received much Swedish media attention for its similarity to Wikipedia and some of its contents, in particular for its positive characterization of many Nazi German personalities, for cataloguing Jews in Swedish media, and for characterizing Swedish companies as either “Swedish-owned” or “Jewish-owned”. This led to an investigation being initiated in Sweden, in which the Chancellor of Justice(Justitiekanslern) examined whether the site should be prosecuted for inciting hatred or for violating the Privacy Law (Personuppgiftslagen). After reviewing the site’s contents, the Chancellor of Justice decided to terminate investigations, since nothing had been found that violated the Freedom of Speech Act (Yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen) or the Privacy Law. In January 2009, in a response to further attention given to the site, the Swedish Chancellor of Justice opined that Metapedia presented a positive image of Adolf Hitler, but decided not to restart an investigation, since this was not illegal.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metapedia

    Your bedtime reading, Node?

  159. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    27 Jul, 2014 - 6:14 pm

    The war on newborns; more pornographic than any discredited symbol.

  160. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    27 Jul, 2014 - 6:15 pm

  161. Komodo

    “I have formed a little group called Neonazi Antisemitic Eminences Against All Jews Everywhere, and we have already had some success in burning a yarmulke.”

    Well done fella.

    Now how are things going with those synagogue protests? Last we heard you wanted to form protest groups outside synagogues which generously “move apart” to allow Jews to enter and exit their place of worship, presumably whilst giving them some pretty nasty stares. Have you managed to gather many comrades yet?

  162. Doug

    It’s not much to ask. If you believe in Fahrenheit 9/11 then you ought not to be ashamed of providing me with a brief summary. I really can’t understand why there is so much reluctance among various commenters here to come forward with their beliefs regarding 9/11 and 7/7. What are you so afraid of?

  163. I took a look at Metapedia. Disgusting.

    There have been occasional remarkable Black African figures such as Marcus Garvey, however, the popular public figures tend be frivolous bread and circus showmen; atheletes, rap and jazz “musicians”

    Status as Modern Humans?

    Palaeo-anthropological findings question the status of Negroids as modern anatomically Humans (Hss), since their morphological features are very primitive:[5]

    In April 2014, Nature Publish Group publshed the result genetic studies that negroes were genetically closer to bonobos then Europeans.[6][7]

    Then there’s this sort of stuff:

    http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/f/fe/Picsimages081jx6.jpg

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/File:Urban_jungle.jpg

    And here’s an excerpt from a a source used for that article, referring to Africans and their descendants:

    “Eventually, someone is going to have to explain why we are being coerced into treating beings that are closer to apes than they are to us as if they are equal contributors to society.”

    Node?

  164. “Also some free Palestine demonstrators have taken to spraying swastikas on public monuments, wearing football shirts with the name ‘Hitler’ on the back and waving placards saying ‘Hitler was right’.

    I doubt that. More likely to be a Zionist false flag as happens frequently in the USA.”

    Yes, that’s right Doug. Just deny anything that you find inconvenient and call it a “Zionist false flag”. Silly twerp.

  165. Doug

    “”Why are all Jews hated like this for the actions of the Israeli government?”

    Firstly, the Israeli government are all Jewish, every single one.”

    Lol. Do you hold the world’s Muslims or Christians responsible for the actions of the governments of Muslim or Christian countries? You really are a racist turd.

  166. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 6:50 pm

    Anon: <i"Metapedia… Neo-Nazi … blah, blah blah …. "

    = I can’t dispute the substance of your link, Node, so I’ll attack the messenger.

  167. Node, I’m looking for substance for that link. It has so far led only to race-hatred sources. I’ll keep trying, but please tell me what you think of Metapedia.

  168. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 6:54 pm

    Now how are things going with those synagogue protests? Last we heard you wanted to form protest groups outside synagogues which generously “move apart” to allow Jews to enter and exit their place of worship, presumably whilst giving them some pretty nasty stares. Have you managed to gather many comrades yet?

    Why would this matter to you? You sound really worried by the idea of peaceful assembly in a public place to protest the immorality of the Jewish State’s behaviour. That fits. Worry on.

  169. Honestly, this is easier than the Bekaa Valley turkey shoot. What happened to the competition?

  170. Anon, unfair on Doug Scorgie. You asked about hatred of Jews in general, got an answer, and then assumed hatred on Doug Scorgie’s part.

  171. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    Clark,
    I googled “swastika vandalism by jews”. That page came up. Do you dispute any of the incidents it lists?

  172. “Why would this matter to you? You sound really worried by the idea of peaceful assembly in a public place to protest the immorality of the Jewish State’s behaviour. That fits. Worry on.”

    Would you rally outside a mosque in Britain in response to the actions of an Islamic state? If not, on what grounds do you believe British Jews should be subject to protests outside their places of worship?

  173. Node, I dispute the first example so far, as the original source… You check it out. Metapedia is disgusting.

    Node, someone told me Wikipedia was “useless”, pointing out it the politics of Jimmy Wales. It was months or more ago. Was that you?

  174. I am not surprised that the Met spied of the family of the person they killed to try and find some dirt on him. When they do something bad, the best way to make it look not so bad is to make the victim look bad.

    This is why the supporters of Israel also attack Muslims who have no connection with Palestine. To say, “Yes we kill Palestinian babies, but it is not so bad because they are Muslim and Muslims are all bad people”.

  175. Node
    “Do you dispute any of the incidents it lists?”

    Yes. Quickly looking at only the first story on the list: The NY Times says the “suspect is Russian Orthodox”, the NY Sun says “Ms. Abramovich, who is Russian Orthodox” and the NY Post says “Abramovich is Russian Orthodox”. So not Jewish at all then.

  176. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 7:28 pm

    Would you rally outside a mosque in Britain in response to the actions of an Islamic state?

    Rather depends, really. If the Islamic state had been terrorising a captive population of dispossessed refugees in a ghetto for a decade or two, then maybe yes, if nothing else worked, and if the Jewish state, which was itself founded (and funded) on the back of similar persecution of the Jews, hadn’t grabbed my attention first. One thing at a time.

    If not, on what grounds do you believe British Jews should be subject to protests outside their places of worship?

    Well, even if so, it depends what you mean by ‘should’, doesn’t it? I’m quite certain that British Jews would object strenuously to the idea. On the other hand, if it pricks their consciences into restraining the terrorist state most of them support, if only as an ideal (an extremely flawed one), then hell, yeah. It will save lives and mitigate the ongoing misery of their intended victims.

    And it would be better than barricading the gates of the synagogue during worship and using it for artillery practice, wouldn’t it? The guards don’t part to let the people through at Eilat or Rafah…all heart, me.

  177. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    And now a word from our sponsor (I wish).

    http://www.map-uk.org/

    GIVE.

  178. Clark, the idea behind articles such as that posted by Node above is to create a racial stereotype based on a handful of incidents stretching over 50 years. The racial stereotype in this case is the idea of the devious Jew, which the Metapedia website specialises in along with various derogatory caricatures of black African ‘negroes’. There have been thousands of genuine cases of anti-Semitism, none of which are included in the article.

    What Node is saying is that he has accidentally stumbled on this mine of information and yet has taken what he has found as fact about the Jews and anti-Semitic grafitti including that found across Europe at this present time. He believes on the basis of this article that all anti-Semitic activities are the work of the Jews, or rather he has googled for anti-Semitic articles which support that view which he already held.

    Rather than do the decent thing and apologise, he has attempted to back up his revolting racist views by asking you to disprove any of the content of the extremely limited and prejudiced article he has selected for our attention. All in all a complete shit.

  179. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    27 Jul, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    What is the definition of ‘chutzpah’? Oh yeah.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.607384

  180. “Anon, unfair on Doug Scorgie. You asked about hatred of Jews in general, got an answer, and then assumed hatred on Doug Scorgie’s part.”

    Clark, Doug believes that anti-Semitic attacks are “more likely” to be the work of Zionists (by which he means Jews). He cannot accept the reality of virulent anti-Semitism from certain quarters in Europe, so he seeks to deny it as the work of devious Jews making attacks upon themselves in order to garner sympathy. It is foul anti-Semitic propaganda of the same variety as that emanating from A Node and for which he ought to be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

  181. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 7:55 pm

    Clark: “Node, I dispute the first example so far, as the original source… You check it out. Metapedia is disgusting”

    I asked you if you dispute the accuracy of any of the swastika vandalism incidents on that page. You seem to be saying that you dispute it merely on the grounds of its source. Here are independent reports of the first three:
    http://www.nysun.com/new-york/woman-confesses-to-two-borough-swastika-blitz/3391/
    http://www.jta.org/2007/11/06/news-opinion/jewish-student-behind-some-dorm-swastikas
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087991/Jewish-man-arrested-string-anti-Semitic-hate-crimes.html
    The information on the page seems to be accurate. That’s what I was linking to, not the rest of the site. My 3rd link above is to the Daily Mail – that doesn’t mean I endorse everything else on the site

    I didn’t check out the site before posting the link. Now I have, I agree that it is pretty horrible, but I don’t attach as much significance to that as you seem to. This issue has come up before – should we discount information just because of who said it. I believe we shouldn’t, that would be attacking the messenger instead of the message and it makes it too easy to justify dismissing awkward information.

    If you’re ticking me off for linking Craig’s blog to Metapedia, I accept that’s a valid criticism, but I make no apologies for posting accurate relevant information.

    “Node, someone told me Wikipedia was “useless”, pointing out it the politics of Jimmy Wales. It was months or more ago. Was that you?”

    No, not me. I don’t trust Wikipedia, but I would never say it was useless, and I don’t know anything about the politics of Jimmy Wales.

  182. savior_cinco

    27 Jul, 2014 - 7:57 pm

    In the wake of De Menezes’ death, I speculated on a very very unpopular blog I was writing (just a few friends commenting) on what the Met execution of De Menezes had actually involved. I stated that he would be found not to be running, not to be jumping the ticket barrier, and so on.

    Seems I was close enough to the truth, as I was intercepted and interviewed at a UK airport when returning from the Republic of Ireland a short time later. No uniforms, no names, summoned into an alcove before reaching baggage reclaim, taken off to a side room and intimidated for a brief period.

    I’m a nobody. Clearly, Plod (and the intelligence services) were intent on making sure the truth did not leak out.

  183. Komodo

    The idea that you would ever stand outside a mosque and protest the actions of an Islamic state is laughable. In common with many here you couldn’t give a shit about what goes on in Muslim countries except that which you can stick to the West and in particular, Israel. The only possible reason for you to come up with the idea of forming protest groups outside British synagogues is because you have some problem with the Jews, it being Jews who attend British synagogues, not Israelis.

  184. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 8:00 pm

    Oops, should’ve read the other comments before posting. OK, Phil, you got me. Still stand by my general comment about messenger and message though.

  185. You’ve got nothing to stand by, Node. Accept that you have been using information from anti-Jewish websites (not just repeating it but actually using it), apologise and move on.

  186. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Anon, I fail to get your meaning about the difference between ‘repeating’ and ‘using’. Also I’m not sure what I’m supposed to apologise about. Do you apologise when you link to the anti-Muslim BBC website?

  187. Node, I use Wikipedia a lot, but I always follow links to the significant sources on anything contentious. It’s essential on Wiki sources; the page could have been vandalised thirty seconds before visiting it.

  188. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 8:22 pm

    Forget it, Anon. The world’s beginning to get wise to the lies.

    http://www.98fm.com/reader/523.685/6611/0/

  189. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    27 Jul, 2014 - 8:25 pm

  190. Anon, people get inaccurate impressions in both directions when forming opinions on highly contentious and aggressively argued subjects such as the Israel-Palestine conflict. It’s inevitable, partly because humans have to form impressions, partly because the information has all been skewed one way or another before it is encountered, and for a host of other reasons.

    Please stop telling everyone what other people think and feel. You cannot know this, and it angers the victim, contributing to conflict and misunderstanding.

  191. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 8:33 pm

    ““Node, someone told me Wikipedia was “useless”, pointing out it the politics of Jimmy Wales. It was months or more ago. Was that you?””

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/10/the-extraordinary-rarity-of-whistleblowing/comment-page-2/#comment-373376

  192. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    27 Jul, 2014 - 8:34 pm

    Clark: ““Node, someone told me Wikipedia was “useless”, pointing out it the politics of Jimmy Wales. It was months or more ago. Was that you?””

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/10/the-extraordinary-rarity-of-whistleblowing/comment-page-2/#comment-373376

  193. @Fedup: I’m coming back to this late, but what does the “Make Poverty History” gathering in Edinburgh… which was brilliant incidentally but Geldof & U2 were only there via big screen… have to do with 7/7?

  194. Node, you used the Metapedia article in order to provide some sort of credence to your idea that the anti-Semitism currently being seen across Europe is the work of the Jews.

    If you believe this is not the case then all you have to do is say that the swastikas daubed on public monuments, the Hitler football shirts, and the placards reading “Hitler was right” are the work of anti-Semites.

    It shouldn’t be that hard. Over to you.

  195. Komodo

    “Forget it, Anon. The world’s beginning to get wise to the lies”

    A complete avoidance of the points I put to you at 7:58 pm.

    Note the prophetic tone also. He really does believe the shit that spews out of his mouth.

  196. Are you still here, Anon…

  197. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    27 Jul, 2014 - 9:07 pm

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/27/372991/egypt-destroys-13-more-gaza-tunnels/

    “Since the ouster of Egypt’s former president Mohamed Morsi last July, the Egyptian military has launched a campaign to destroy the tunnels, preventing the people in Gaza from bringing in most of their basic goods like construction materials, food, and fuel into the coastal enclave, which has been hit by Israeli airstrikes since July 8. ”

    Evacuate? Where? Food and other necessities? ‘Natch.

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