The Currency of Hatred

by craig on August 7, 2014 11:03 pm in Uncategorized

The No campaign is convinced it has won the referendum over the question of what currency will be used in an independent Scotland. Being convinced they have won, they are starting to show their true feelings.

Everybody in Scotland should read the comments section on this report by the Labour supporting Guardian. That truly horrible, sneering tone is a foretaste of what is in store for Scotland if it votes No in the referendum.

States have currencies. Ireland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, all have currencies, some unique and some shared. Scotland might keep the pound. Otherwise the Scottish economy is perfectly strong enough and Scots perfectly capable of taking another of the many available options. It is entirely a media construct that this is the issue that can halt independence – a construct initiated by George Osborne in cahoots with Darling and their media lackeys.

What is undeniable is that these people actually would act with deliberate malice towards an independent Scotland. The hatred of the Scots is there for all to see. This is not the Telegraph or the Mail. It is the Guardian. Read the comments and judge of their tone and intent. Do you really want to get down on your knees before this hatred, and surrender?

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87 Comments

  1. “Do you really want to get down on your knees before this hatred and surrender?”

    Are you appealing to the Highlanders, or Lowlanders?

    Paranoia has no national boundaries, once set loose, it stampedes all before it.

  2. ‘The hatred of the scots…’ – a bit of propaganda of your own…

    Come on we should be better than this.

  3. Neither of you actually read the Guardian comment thread I linked to, did you?

  4. The depressing thing is some of these Scot haters are themselves Scottish.

  5. I cannot bare to read the dross coming out of the guardian, as I know decent folk who still read it and seem to believe the lies, even here in Scotland. What I do wonder, is just how clued up or educated people really are about economics at all? I mean, having been to a very large state school in Gateshead, where we had absolutely no education about politics or economics, I can still see through the utter lies about currency when it comes to Scotland’s Independence.
    I hope in an Independent Scotland, that we can ensure that all children have a grounding in politics and economics, or at the very least, that they are shown how manipulative the media can be, and how easily they can be brain washed.
    And the more I see the hatred toward Scotland from her neighbour, the more I wish Jackie Baille was right, if we only we really could just be more geographically distant, if only.

  6. Do you really want to get down on your knees before this hatred, and surrender – Big echo – Encore please.

  7. What a bunch of obnoxious morons, who have absolutely no clue. I am sorry to say I have never voted SNP but Alec and his deputy Nicola are the best politicians by far in the UK, miles ahead of the rest. I see Dumfries is ahead in the polls, survation I think. We WILL win.

  8. oops sorry the typos in my comment, tired. Oh and I was referring to the Wings Over Scotland article today which had a J Baille recording where she says that immigrants would be more ‘geographically distant’ in England, if we were Independent., or some such idiotic comment. My self and my son were aghast!

  9. The British ruling class will stop at nothing to thwart peaceful self-determination of their first colony. HMG will stuff the ballot boxes, increase violent repression, assassinate leaders. The referendum is only the beginning. Slovenian special forces veterans and the IRA can help you with next steps.

  10. Mau Mau You are an agent provocateur and I claim my 5 pounds.

  11. There is a disturbing amount of ugly abusive anti Scottish comment on Referendum articles in the London press. The Independent is the worst, by far, but the Guardian can claim a surprising number of illiberal lounge bar bigots as readers of its online articles. It is impossible to say how representative ithat is of English opinion but i have never seen an anti English comment in the same threads, indeed the words England and English are virtually absent from these comments and from the debate in Scotland. It is not about England. The standards set by the respective spokesmen for the ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ sides may have something to do with that situation.

  12. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 12:23 am

    Fuck sake…Too many to Chose From…i went back to Page one looking for the “Scotland dose not own the crown jewels ” comment…i think its in Moderation.. Some bunch, hard going.

    “Gets funnier and funnier. Can we delay the referendum for a year and watch Salmond’s mental breakdown play out in glorious tartan technicolour?”

    “What a desperate idiot Salmond is. A dangerous little fat rabble rouser. It’ll take two generations to get over the damage he’s already caused.”

    “And it is Salmond who wants to split up the UK. Scotland are not in a position to dictate what bits of the UK it wants to retain were they to opt to leave.”

    “Threatening to renege on Scotland’s share of the debt, what an utterly repulsive person Salmond is.”

    “That’s right, Scotland would have zero control over its currency and no credible lender of last resort.
    And this is the Nats’ vision of independence? What a fucking joke”

  13. Here’s a particularly obnoxious comment I found there:

    “It is really disappointing that the Yes campaign leadership , with which I have some large element of sympathy , have simply failed to grasp , either at the time of the Edinburgh agreement or now , that the issue of currency and independence are critical to each other. They look petulant , underesearched , and lacking in a basic grasp of economics. Of course Scotland can use the pound , but it will have no economic sovereignty , of course it can renege on its share of net debt , but the bond markets and the EU will close to it. There won’t be a currency union because it would be stupid for HMT to guarantee the fiscal policy of another country. So Sillars is completely right , plan B is a Scottish currency , always was , and it would require honesty with the electors of Scotland as to what that meant , difficult but wholly possible. But how can Salmond now say that with 6 weeks to go , his lack of preparedness on this central point will produce a No vote , and the Yes supporters deserved better from someone who is portrayed as so clever .”

    God, where do they get these racist, homophobic bigots from?

  14. http://www.mediafire.com/view/j5875qk1clbuite/YTAIS_Factsheet_1_-_Pound_and_Currency_Union.pdf

    A good quick overview of the pound over the past 60 years, also recommends a book about the history of currency unions, a must read, though not sure time will allow before Sept 18!

  15. I don’t know why you might think the Guardian (a scurrilous pull-out section of the high-brow AutoTrader Magazine) differs in any way from the Daily Heil or the Torygraph, or even the Busted BritNat Broadcasting Corporation’s nauseous deathbed emissions. The Guardian has stood behind the Labour Party as it lurched off further right than even Mrs Thatcher took the Tories; Martin Kettle and Michael White for a time and probably still do every few weeks tout some hilarious attempt to re-habilitate their own mass-murdering war criminal accomplice: Tony Blair. They beat the drums for war ceaselessly, with Iraq, with Iran, in Syria, no doubt too in East Ukraine/Donetsk and assailed us with a megaphone in promoting every false pretext justification for gung-ho indiscrimate slaughter of ‘them'; readers could understably be mistaken they’re reading their supremacist porn stash of Hotspur and Victor comics, as they’re dishing out deadly Kapows! Thuds! and Thumps! to dusky foreign types the world over, daily. They have a homeopathic methodology in respect to truth, every rare article on Palestine for example that touches on the crux of the issue, is a tiny atomised droplet in an ocean of lies, the pretence of balance exposed by its unwavering backing for the Zionist enterprise from its conspiratorial inception, through to its near realistion of a comprehensive pre-meditated genocide of the whole Arab world. It represents a danger to peace and to humanity a thousand times worse than anything the German (and we might add Ukranian) Nazis could dream of, and Israel itself is hardly any less dangerous than The Guardian has become. Their surviving demographic probably have multiple pre-paid funeral plans in case they’re resurrected and stuck for a coffin and a hole in the ground, and like ancient warriors would be buried with the things that would matter to them in the afterlife, their Andrew and Fergie crockery, a ride-on-lawnmower, sundry masonic regalia, a portrait of Churchill, and a pile of those same ultra-violent militaristic comics for boys and girls exploitable urges implanted to kill and be killed on behalf of Empire.

    In other words, nobody cares what the Graun, the BBC or U-KOK say or do. Let them clatter their gums together, Scotland’s future is cast and they’re not in it. They represent much that is wrong and is bad in the toxic vanity state that was the imploding UK. As the rest of the UK’s docile masses awaken from their over-long slumber and scent real democracy on their doorstep, they’ll soon fashion some for themselves and with that leap, leave these hopelessly tainted and shameful organisations to wither in the wake of human progress.

  16. It’s not surprising really, these newspapers are proving a real turnoff in Scotland, the daily circulation of the Grauniad in Scotland has fallen to a pathetic 10,500 with only the Independent running below that figure at 2800.

    http://www.allmediascotland.com/press/60578/the-media-in-figures-scots-circulations-of-national-newspapers/

  17. Craig, I fled from that thread in complete shock at the bile and hatred so your post was balm to my soul. Any Scot who could vote No after reading that must really have no self respect.

  18. TonyM

    Good post.

  19. Why you surprised Craig?

    The Grauniad is just another Zionist/Unionist rag full of servile stringers.

    Christ,they even give Aaronovitch space to spout his bought and paid for genuinely insane guff.

    Nuff said.

  20. Hell hath no fury like a nation scorned

    8 Aug, 2014 - 2:28 am

    If the result of this referendum is that you Scots tell us English and Welsh to fuck off, that we’re not good enough for you, do you seriously expect us all to smile nicely and say “well done Jock”?

  21. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 2:31 am

    “Who cares?
    All of this talk about what will happen to the Scottish economy, the pound, the EU, oil, etc etc are little more than a distraction.
    After a yes vote Scotland will carry on much as before and so will the rest of the UK.
    The real, and best, reason for Scotland to vote yes is emotional.
    Scotland doesn’t like being governed by Westminster. So fine, they should leave.
    I visit Scotland often and am surprised at the hatred of the English I have encountered.
    We are better apart. Everyone I know in England wants Scotland to vote yes.
    So, please vote yes Scotland. Please.”

    I mean WTF

    Look, i have never in my life seen Scottish people show Hatred towards The English…Nor would i stand for it in my crowd..but it is a false rant… There are Numpties out there…And the Media sure Know how control them…

    Example…The one and only time i encountered a direct challenge of racism, was because i was/ am in the habit of wearing the desert scarf on my head… The half drunk Bitch did not expect me to be Scottish and Local… There were, as always plenty of English around, including one of the two guys i was with… Plenty Goths n Heavy rockers too… but only one soul wearing a desert scarf on the Napper…No excuse but Brainless.. However..we all Know that The The bbc…and MSM Push these sentiments with the fake War on Terr Ect.

    Tony M

    Very Nice Last Paragraph there. Well said

  22. Hell Hath No Fury Like a Confused Eejit,

    “If the result of this referendum is that you Scots tell us English and Welsh to fuck off, that we’re not good enough for you, do you seriously expect us all to smile nicely and say “well done Jock”?”

    Jesus,ive read a few but that’s genuinely the most abysmal and deranged troll post for a while.

  23. On this question of currency – I make the following observations.
    1. Saddam Hussein – I believe – had his mind made up that once the UN sanctions were lifted he would then trade Iraqi oil for Euros – and not the previous US dollar payments.
    2. Colonel Gadaffi – had a plan to launch an all Africa currency backed by Libyan gold. The African Union ( AU) had bought into and accepted the plan.
    Then we are compelled to question, without any unipolar attempts at explanation for the commencement of the disastrous “Mission accomplished” wars ( both in Iraq and Libya) and decide on a global power structure to maintain the traditional currency architecture – thus continue with currency status quo ( i.e. following sterling the US now is and shall remain the world’s reserve currency).
    Challenge – then – war – “Mission accomplished”.
    Any thoughts anyone.

  24. George F. Kennan can be described as the architect of the “cold war”. An American diplomat and thinker and here are some of his most famous quotes:-
    “Were the Soviet Union to sink tomorrow under the waters of the ocean, the American military-industrial establishment would have to go on, substantially unchanged, until some other adversary could be invented. Anything else would be an unacceptable shock to the American economy.”
    ― George F. Kennan
    And
    “We should cease to talk about vague and unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.”
    ― George F. Kennan
    And
    “In the face of this situation we would be better off to dispense now with a number of the concepts which have underlined our thinking with regard to the Far East. We should dispense with the aspiration to ‘be liked’ or to be regarded as the repository of a high-minded international altruism. We should stop putting ourselves in the position of being our brothers’ keeper and refrain from offering moral and ideological advice. We should cease to talk about vague — and for the Far East — unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.”
    ― George F. Kennan
    My point here is that what we are seeing unfolding in the world is not something that was not anticipated and perceived far ahead of time.
    The problem is the wars when the time comes – and we are getting there very fast – and I bring it together in this way…
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/19/libya-whither-international-law/
    All comments are welcomed.
    Educate me.

  25. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 5:21 am

    Courtenay

    Think i Know where you are going with that

    But if thats you clocking off with a wee bit of time on yir hands check this out –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUczrL-2b-gYK3l4yDld4XlQ&v=JvBZhe7nU2M

  26. HHNFLANS (Hell Hath …):

    Hell, like heaven, and god(s) are fantasies of cruel indoctrination. You there believer in ‘hell’ seem to think Scotland’s Independence is rejection of our brothers and sisters, neighbours living amongst these islands, far from it. Anyone would wonder how you got such bizarre ideas, no-one person could come up with anything so preposterous, this level of ignorance takes help from professionals, however much he might claim such prize muddled thinking is all his own work, it’s a copy for sure of some other unionist scholars of bedrock repute. Though his or her more detailed analysis of the UK’s democratic drought is I presume, still to follow, and their manner seems powerfully repulsive, I’m sure this is just awkwardness, a sort of shyness manifesting in aggression and uncomprehending misdirected rage, some glandular thing which a cup of tea and soothing sounds of sweet birdsong would assuage. Will ye no come back agin, we’ll get some nice biscuits in, do tell us please, ought vermin in ermine aye determine a’thing?

    Independence is though a final rejection in unequivocal terms – after trying for decades within the UK – to be be rid of the most awful governments which were chosen for us by raffle and which are anathema to most of our political insights and long cogitated ideas, governments unwanted consisting of execrable crooks, inhabiting the sewers of Westminster and the rogue state within a rogue state of the City of London that pillages all of Britain and all its people for the enrichment of an ugly grasping elite few that too long arrogantly presumed they’ll always go unchallenged, uninterruptibly compelling the whole of the host population to render unto them all, in perpetuity.

  27. Brian,

    Not sure where you are going with Finkelstein.

    He speaks with his conscience and his truth to power.

    Are you saying that I try to do the same?

  28. Forget the Guardian muck. Take time out to listen to the beautiful playing of Nicola Benedetti. I went to one of her concerts this year. Absolutely breathtaking and her smile is like sunshine.

    Homecoming – A Scottish Fantasy

    Released on 7th July 2014

    “This recording is deeply personal. It’s not often that a classical musician from Scotland has the good fortune of playing music from home, an opportunity I have greatly cherished over the last six months.”

    1. Scottish Fantasy Introduction
    2. Scottish Fantasy Scherzo
    3. Scottish Fantasy Andante Sostenuto
    4. Scottish Fantasy Finale
    5. Ae Fond Kiss
    6. Auld Lang Syne Variations
    7. My Love is Like a Red Red Rose
    8. Spey in Spate and The Hurricane
    9. Dean Brig o Edinburgh and Banks Hornpipe
    10. Aberlady
    11. Mouth Music and Tunes set
    12. The Gentle Light That Wakes Me
    13. Coisich a Ruin
    14. Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond
    15. Ashokan Farewell
    16. Chan e Caoidh Mhic Shiridh

    Diary
    11/08/14 Edinburgh at Edinburgh Festival
    22/08/14 Edinburgh at Edinburgh Festival
    02/09/14 Seoul at Seoul Performing Arts Centre

    http://www.nicolabenedetti.co.uk/

    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/virtuoso-nicola-benedetti-i-get-trolled-about-the-scottish-referendum-all-the-time-9618418.html

  29. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:00 am

    Courtenay

    YES… You guys out there Living the Fkn Wars..Craig… Yirsel..Defending wee souls…

    And you Know where most of the rest of us are with you…Just trying to survive..but we are at least HERE…and with you.

  30. Brian,

    You may not believe me.

    I have said it before. Two death threats and one indication of arson on my home because I do actually have a conscience and care.

    If I can care more for you and all the suffering then maybe read this..

    As I said – it actually is unfolding as I type. Thanks – George kennan..
    Check it out..
    “Obama’s War Against Russia Backfire

    By Eric Zuesse
    August 07, 2014 “ICH” – U.S. President Barack Obama’s war against Russia isn’t only causing Russia to cooperate more strongly with the other BRIC countries to break the U.S. dollar’s reign as the global reserve currency, but it’s also causing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s job-approval rating in Russia to soar, and the confidence that the Russian people have in their own Government to soar likewise.”
    Here…
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39351.htm

    Educate yourself.

  31. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:10 am

    Mary

    Musical interludes… The Invention Of Ben..n Alcanon… a couple of others…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QMM_nTuC4

  32. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:17 am

    Courtenay…

    I try…and often Cry

    How much was the Kremlin prepared for events in Ukraine and how much does it improvise even now?

    I advise you to read the telegram’s Wikileaks: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html , in which it is shown that Kremlin clearly pointed out to the Americans in 2008 the scenarios that we see today: “Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.”

    It is logical to assume that such a development for the Kremlin was not a surprise and that we are now in even more unpleasant but less nuanced script that something like “Plan E”.

    In order to understand what the Kremlin will do next, let’s formulate objectives:

    – Do not allow the entry of Ukraine into NATO.

    – Do not allow the establishment and stabilization in Ukraine of a Russophobic regime, which assumes denazification.

    – Do not allow the genocide of Russian South-East population.

    Ideally this requires implementation of all three objectives while, in that interval, not breaking the Russian economy during its reorientation toward Asia and, at the same time, preventing the Americans from pulling off their economic ends at the expense of the EU.

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.jp/2014/06/translation-of-must-read-article-of.html

  33. Just saying

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:23 am

    Robbie Burns in 1791 (on the then sell out of the Scots Nation)

    Poem:Such A Parcel Of Rogues In A Nation

    Fareweel to a’ our Scottish fame,
    Fareweel our ancient glory;
    Fareweel ev’n to the Scottish name,
    Sae fam’d in martial story.
    Now Sark rins over Solway sands,
    An’ Tweed rins to the ocean,
    To mark where England’s province stands-
    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

    What force or guile could not subdue,
    Thro’ many warlike ages,
    Is wrought now by a coward few, (Darlings!)
    For hireling traitor’s wages.
    The English stell we could disdain,
    Secure in valour’s station;
    But English gold has been our bane-
    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

    O would, or I had seen the day
    That Treason thus could sell us,
    My auld grey head had lien in clay,
    Wi’ Bruce and loyal Wallace!
    But pith and power, till my last hour,
    I’ll mak this declaration;
    We’re bought and sold for English gold-
    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

    Nuff said.Are there really Scots who will be voting NO?!! Methinks the canny Scots will have kept their cards close to their chests, fooling the “English” MI5/Guardian pollsters, it will be an overwhelming landslide “YES” !

  34. John McLeod

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:31 am

    I would like to offer an alternative way of looking at the ‘currency plan B’ future that has emerged in the media and First Ministers questions yesterday. Like many people, I felt uncomfortable and frustrated, watching the TV debate, when Alex Salmond seemed to be unable to deal effectively with this question. Reflecting on it since then, it seems to me that he was enacting something that is actually a very powerful position. In effect, he was conveying the messages:

    1. I am willing to be unpopular, if that is what it takes to be consistent with my values
    2. I am a tough negotiator – I am sticking to my definition of the issue and not accepting your version
    3. I am not giving away my negotiating position.

    At a time when people in Scotland are thinking about what will happen after a yes vote, these are key images. It would fatally undermine the independence movement if the population felt that the Scottish government was going to cave in to Westminster demands during post-yes negotiations. It may be, here as on other occasions, the First Minister is playing a long game..

    This interpretation also goes some way to explain the fury that Craig has identified in the ‘thoughtful’ press (Guardian). It is not only that Scotland wants to go its own way, but also that it will not be dictated to, and will strike a hard bargain.

  35. Brian,

    Thanks for sharing:-

    “I advise you to read the telegram’s Wikileaks: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html , in which it is shown that Kremlin clearly pointed out to the Americans in 2008 the scenarios that we see today: “Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.”

    I am grateful.

    I noted in some of Craig’s comments his position on the issue.

    I take the following position, subject to anyone’s correction:-

    A. When there is power concentrated, and worse yet, over concentrated – there is likely to be abuse.

    B. The US has had over concentrated power – especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

    C. The US has acted with the PNAC, not like just partial ignoramuses – but total ignoramuses – intoxicated on power.

    I visited Russia in 1992 and saw first hand what was happening.

    If the world was not ruled by Jack asses – we would have been by now well on the way to the position of global minimal proportional so-called nuclear deterrence. Instead the US escalated and now we have the potential of World War 111 facing us.

    I do not exaggerate.

  36. Brian,

    Correct..

    “…preventing the Americans from pulling off their economic ends at the expense of the EU.”

    Correct – so why doesn’t Europe stand up and not again let itself become a theatre of warfare?

  37. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:40 am

    seems you have not been following recent threads John. Re Currency ….

  38. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:51 am

    Court…

    Cos Europe dose not want war… the world populations do not want war..there is no… fkn need for it RE Energy needs

  39. Fury over Glasgow city plans to hoist Palestine flag

    JEWISH communities have reacted angrily to council plans to raise the Palestinian flag over city halls.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/496849/Glasgow-city-plans-to-hoist-Palestine-flag

    ‘Civic leaders in Glasgow and Fife have been accused of the “worst kind of gesture politics”, for their show of solidarity with those affected by the conflict in Gaza.

    Jewish leaders say it will only stir up tensions and cause “offence and division”.

    As of today, the Palestinian flag will fly over Glasgow City Chambers for a week, and will still be there during a parade through the city for Team Scotland’s Commonwealth Games team.

    Council leaders in Fife said they were running the flag up at Fife House in Glenrothes in order to add their voices “to the worldwide condemnation of the events currently taking place in Gaza”.’

    I say it again. Bravo!

  40. larry Levin

    8 Aug, 2014 - 6:55 am

    why did salmond get blindsided during debate on currency question?

  41. BrianFujisan: Someone posted probably here a link to a pdf book called Hitler’s Shadow: Nazi War Criminals, U.S. Intelligence and the Cold War, by Richard Breitman and Norman J.W. Goda, which is largely based on declassified document releases in the US. Unfortunately the original download url is gone from my cache logs but the chapter on Ukraine is fascinating. The amount of MI6 cash and support, arms, training to Bandera personally and to his emigre groups, from the war until his assassination decades later was staggering when you consider things like introduction of NHS prescription charges under Attlee and so on. The US also supported the vile Lebed of Ukranian SS notoriety in much the same way. The anti-Russian literature with which this country saturated Ukraine and the Baltic states, Poland etc. right up to the collapse of the Soviet Union is of the crudest and most unsophisticated and provocative hateful sort. This sort of virulent anti-Russian hatred manifested to this day in these countries -much of it is of our creation and encouragement. Russia must surely have seen this coming from a long way off. The Kiev regime seems to be crumbling and big demonstrations for peace throughout Ukraine are being ruthlessly crushed by the right wing gangs, and these thugs much prefer cowardly attacking peacefully protesting women particularly, than the determined opposition in the East of Ukraine, who contain these gangs when they appear in the east, rather than confronting the demoralised and deserting regular Ukrainian forces. It is clear there are very many mercs now fighting in the East, photos showing many in uniforms with union flag patches. The senior US general reportedly killed or seriously injured in Afghanistan, may actually have been injured in East Ukraine.

  42. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:14 am

    Sorry Court

    Missread…

    so why doesn’t Europe stand up and not again let itself become a theatre of warfare?

    Courtenay.. i think the monumental war for truth..MsM Lies..Deceptions Ect They would not be getting away with killing children..then criminally attempting to justify it..without bbc

  43. Deeply deplores the decision by the outgoing President of Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko, posthumously to award Stepan Bandera, a leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) which collaborated with Nazi Germany, the title of ‘National Hero of Ukraine’; hopes, in this regard, that the new Ukrainian leadership will reconsider such decisions and will maintain its commitment to European values;

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P7-TA-2010-0035+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

  44. Brian,

    “Court…

    Cos Europe dose not want war… the world populations do not want war..there is no… fkn need for it RE Energy needs”

    Consider what Europe did across Asia, Africa and the entire planet as regards slavery, colonization, exploitation – which to this day it still advances.

    Barack Obama is “Black” in an white power system and they know, and he full well knows -you can fool some of the people some of the time. But….

    And here we are….

  45. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:36 am

    “As of today, the Palestinian flag will fly over Glasgow City Chambers for a week, and will still be there during a parade through the city for Team Scotland’s Commonwealth Games team.

    Council leaders in Fife said they were running the flag up at Fife House in Glenrothes in order to add their voices “to the worldwide condemnation of the events currently taking place in Gaza”.’”
    _____________________

    Puerile gesture politics. Costs nothing and achieves even less.

    Anyone remember David Blunkett’s Sheffield declaring itself a “nuclear-free zone”?

    People who fall for this sort of thing are either daft or have a hidden agenda.

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:40 am

    Ceaig

    My advice to you, for what it’s worth : not too many posts on the same sibject at too frequent intervals!

    We had a very good exchange on (Scotland-related) currency on a recent thread and people obviously have nothing much to say on your current theme of “hatred for Scots” or even Scottish independence in general – witness the fact that comments on here are – as so often – all over the place!

  47. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:45 am

    Courty

    i was thinking more of the NOW…we did not have Craig and Social alternative Media then.

  48. What a cheek from this habbaduk, who has just posted their most repetitive Blunkett/puerile politics comment yet again on this thread as in others previously when outstanding shows of love, humanity and solidarity with Palestine on public buildings is highlighted, links to photographs of these flags flying over our towns and cities would be tremendous. Less repeats and monotony from you please habbaduk, you’re dull and unoriginal enough already. ‘The Currency of Hate’ has wide applicability, perhaps you could indicate the subject matter to which to wish to limit discussion and we can tell you what you can do with your suggestions.

  49. The wings site survey suggests a large majority of readers favour Scotland having its own currency. I understand the implications of the common currency zone for both countries economies – not least to stop the speculators in London making a killing – but Eck should have named the options and shut Darling down. White papers – even on independence – are as widely read as T & C’s on a website. I know he can do better, but we need to keep our nerve.

    Anyone who has ever read comments on newspapers will have observed that xenophobic little englander mentality. But be honest yourselves, you may well have used the term FEB, called someone an unPC name, or excused incompetence because it was all you expected from a saxon. They sense blood. The worst is coming out. Just make sure that the soft no’s you are trying to win see their venom. These mighty world cup winning superstars are determined to keep our little submarine park floating on oil for themselves. Jocks are expendible. We Scots don’t do cricket.

  50. The article interests me more than the verbal abuse in the comments (‘prat’ being one of the epithets used). Why is Salmond so keen to remain united to sterling, unless he fears for the fate of a separate Scottish economy? In which case, maybe Scotland should remain part of the UK with the best of both worlds, as Darling suggested. :)

  51. Sorry, but the notion that the English hate the Scots is bollocks in my view. Certainly, I’ve never seen it. Walk into any English pub when Scotland (or Ireland for that matter) are playing and you’ll see the punters roaring in genuine support for ‘the Jocks’. Even though they will have been fed a diet of stories in the press about Scotland always supporting whoever is playing England. That’s the truth and a load of jaundiced comments in the Guardian won’t alter that.

  52. Having trouble with the Gruniad’s website this morning but none of the comments I’ve managed to read are anti-Scottish. There’s a great deal of criticism directed at Alec Salmond, justly so, but that’s no way the same thing, any more than criticism of David Cameron is anti-British or anti-English.

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:42 am

    Tone

    “…outstanding shows of love, humanity and solidarity with Palestine on public buildings is highlighted, links to photographs of these flags flying over our towns and cities would be tremendous”
    _________________

    You’ve convinced me, Tone.

    The Palestinian flag should be flown three days a weeks, the Venezuelan one twice every fortnight, the Russian one once a month and so on.

    Would brighten up our cities and towns no end.

    (Nice to have colours, colours to have nice!)

  54. I have said many times that I considered the purpose of many of your blog entries was to incite hatred. That is how Nationalists work, the Nazi incited hatred of the Jew and the Zionist incites hatred of the Arab.

    I consider this attempt to convince the people of Scotland that the people of England hate them as no different. You incite hatred in an attempt to manipulate the people for your own ends. This is Nationalism at it’s nastiest and most destructive.

    The principles of democracy are simple, a government will act in the interests of those who vote for them and give them their power. Should Scotland become independent then it will be the people in the rest of the UK who Westminster considers not the people of Scotland, the Scots would lose their not inconsiderable influence over the British government.

    Jingoism is yet another nasty form of Nationalism.

  55. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 9:01 am

    why did salmond get blindsided during debate on currency question?

    Because he doesn’t have a coherent economic plan. Not even a phoney and terminally flawed one, such as Osborne produces from his red box on budget day. As an ex (oil) economist, Salmond probably recognises that there are too many variables involved surrounding independence to permit any strategy which will survive the event – which would be honest of him. Economically, he’s a pragmatist.

    And, turning to the only other economist I can think of in government, it’s interesting to see Vince Cable was at least prepared to admit the economic case for voting Yes:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-leaked-speech-sees-vince-cable-accused-of-agreeing-with-the-yes-campaign-9487850.html

    <(The SNP's) treasury spokesman, Stuart Hosie, claimed the Business Secretary had “let the cat out of the bag”.

    He said: “Vince Cable’s admission simply makes the economic case for independence, which would see decisions about Scotland’s economy made by the people who live and work here, rather than by a Westminster establishment fixated on London and South East England.”

    Last year Mr Cable claimed that London “is becoming a giant suction machine draining the life out of the rest of the country”

    And that’s the only economic point that needs to be hammered home. The system’s fucked. There’s no sign of you fixing it. We* want out.

    *Me too.

  56. Well said Tony M
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/the-currency-of-hatred/#comment-471997

    Even has the chutzpah to tell Craig what and what not to post. The arrogance!

  57. How I love and admire this man. He has love in his heart.

    ‘“The heart of the Earth beats in Gaza now. It bleeds, but it beats,” says Dr. Mads Gilbert.

    The Norwegian emergency surgeon returned to his home city of Tromsø on 31 July, after spending several weeks treating the wounded from Israel’s assault at Gaza City’s al-Shifa Hospital.

    He went straight from the airport to give a spontaneous speech at a large solidarity demonstration for Gaza held at the same time.

    Tromsø is twinned with Gaza City.

    The newspaper Nordlys made this video, above, of his speech. It is subtitled in English.’

    /..
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-palestinian-resistance-gaza-fighting-all-us-says-dr-mads-gilbert

  58. The main article is part reportage and part opinion piece and I support the expression of opinions even though free expression in the Guardian is not always encouraged – I was banned for referring to the slaughter of the innocents in Gaza. However rather foolish to equate comments btl with Guardian opinion. An awful lot of non-Guardian types post, sometimes in such a concerted manner as to suggest paid trolling.

  59. Mary @ 5:39am

    Ah, Nicola Benedetti! She’s as beautiful as her music, and she comes from the same small town in Scotland where I grew up. Another musician from the same town:

    http://www.royhowat.com

    Sadly, I’m as musical as a cat sliding down a very high wall by its claws …

    Footnote: My experiences of growing up in Scotland were not all positive, and I left for England at age 17. Mixed feelings about the place.

  60. deepgreenpuddock

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:17 am

    It was always the case that the big knives would come out. The referendum is a perfect illustration of how the democratic process has become simply a fear mongering process of traducing the idea of independence.
    That said,and whilei think Alex Salmond was more controlled, while Darling became ejaculatory, indignant and blustery, that was not the way the media have portrayed the debate.
    The ‘project fear’ question was not rammed home strongly enough.Darling was not forced to account for this travesty of democracy. It was a telling point and Alex Salmond should have been much more forceful and demanding of an answer of why the No campaign had adopted these tactics.
    Darling deserved contempt but Salmond did not deliver it. He was too nice and too sanguine. This is a passionate process and he needs to become prepared to be a political ‘killer’. His anxiety was to not lose the debate.Let’s get some real work done and finish that scabrous political failure ‘Dilettante Darling’.
    Let’s say the truth out loud that Darling and his organisation, and other No campaigners are abject anti-democratic political failures. Brown is an abject political pudding and bag of purulating hypocrisy that did not have the guts to seek validation as PM by an election. How anyone can be swayed by such is breathtaking.

    Let’s get Nicola Sturgeon out-she is a powerful weapon and needs to become more prominent.

    The currency issue is relatively simple and I am surprised that Alex Salmond was not a little more aware of the danger here and did not meet Darling’s plan B comment more robustly. After transition with the pound -it is likely that a Scottish currency would be needed and internal adjustments would be needed to bring this about. It would happen over some years.
    Alex Salmond has to be honest and forthright here-Independence is a great prize but it will be awkward and difficult for a while, partly because the established elite will act in petulant buggeration of the process, and simply partly because these things are always hard-edged processes.

    Craig- the comment above may not have hit the mark. It is all getting a bit desperate, and you have every right to be exasperated but you are a useful asset that needs to be deployed usefully.Your blog has a good following. Pity it is a target for some very odd people bit the game is not yet over. Darling may have done some kind of lucky toe poke that has glanced off the bar.

    I sense that if there is a NO vote, the idea of a social democracy, a mixed (rational) economy, social justice and investment in aspects of life that are important such as education and health will dwindle away. The main point about the referendum is that it partially answered the screaming inadequacy of the current moribund and corrupt parliamentary and governmental system. A referendum YES will have far reaching benefits for England Wales and Northern Ireland by increasing accountability of politicians and their PR and media lackeys. i am at a loss to know why anyone would not desire such an outcome. It is the active participation of people in politics that is at stake here.The no vote is a vote for acquiescence to all the forces that a ruthless establishment wishes to apply.a no vote is a vote for the suppression of dissent and political activism.
    I am feeling impassioned enough to actually get out campaigning. i will be draping the largest saltire i can contrive over the front of my residence, which has an elevated position overlooking Aberdeen
    One of the absurdities of Scotland is that if you were to ask any number of No voters what their nationality is-they would say ‘Scottish’. It is a ludicrous position.
    I know this is correct because just two days ago i spoke to a person who was asking that question and the overwhelming majority of people born in Scotland claimed Scottish ‘nationality’ and did not define the question logically (i.e. in UK we have British ‘nationality’ and British passports). Such absurdities need to be highlighted.

  61. As TonyM said the real surprise is that you still expect anything different from the media. You still expect a fair hearing? How many times can anyone be shocked at the everyday?

    The Guardian is an establishment paper marketed at lefties. Grasp this and move on beyond daily shock.

  62. It would have been helpful to have included a couple of comment examples in the article. I went to read some and found a handful of nationalist comments before returning here. So I am only going on the examples posted by Brian and Richard.

    Some racist comments probably do exist but I wonder why no one posted an example here. These comments bang on about currency and Salmond. They are quite mild. They are stupid. They are propaganda. But they are not racist, homophobic nor full of hatred. Most of them are mocking Salmond which I wholeheartedly commend. All politicians are fair game.

    The targeting of Salmond, rather than Scotland and the Scots, is clearly intended. You are being played to play the victim.

    Over sensitivity regarding racism is a sign of weakness. Your cries of racism, where in reality your favourite politician is getting trashed, make you shrill rather than assertive.

  63. One thing is for certain. Don’t let them set the agenda. Them banging on about currency is a sure sign you should be elsewhere. Dismiss the currency argument briefly then kick them where it hurts!

    Don’t bleat “this currency conversation is a red herring from racist bullies who have nothing but the false currency debate to discuss. They are wrong about this currency debate and they use nasty tactics.”

    Shout “fuck off you posh English scum”.

  64. I am sorry. I have no idea why I am having these daily advise surgeries. You discuss currency and racism all you they want.

  65. I am sure there is room for diplomatic wiggle, but, surely, Brussels would press Scotland to join the Eurozone. All new members of the EU since the inception of the Euro have had to sign up for the currency and the EU would not want to have another semi-detached member like the current UK.

  66. Alastair
    “surely, Brussels would press Scotland to join the Eurozone!

    Yes you would have thought so. It is easy to imagine reasons for all parties to not want to discuss this.

  67. deepgreenpuddock

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:24 am

    While thinking about the referendum and the campaign i came up with the idea of making a smock sort of garment to wear around Glasgow. On the back its has a large bare arse with a leering faces of Nigel Farage, self-rutter B’Jesus Johnson, Cyclops Brown, and Dilettante Darling, and says Vote No and place a kiss on the their arses.

    On the front it says Vote Yes and say hello to Social Democracy.

    Any suggestions of how to do the graphics. How does one print onto a fabric without huge hassle and cost. Any Tee shirt printers around? Advice?

  68. Craig

    You see hatred where in reality there is an elites PR campaign trashing your politics. You react and thus create/entrench division yourself. This is the nationalism fire you play with. This is how well intended men start conflict.

  69. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:49 am

    Any Tee shirt printers around? Advice?

    I am not now nor have I ever been a t-shirt printer. But I believe you can get iron-on transfers which you can print on an ordinary PC printer from your innovative artwork done in Photoshop (£££) or The Gimp (absolutely free). All you need then is an iron. And perhaps someone who knows how these are used. I don’t.

  70. “artwork done in Photoshop (£££) or The Gimp”

    Assuming you are using windows then you can probably knock together a simple design using the “Paint” application. This is free, easier to use and will do the job.

  71. deepgreenpuddock

    8 Aug, 2014 - 12:11 pm

    Neil-everyone with a brain has mixed feelings about their origins.england is home to petty chauvinism, the BNP and other abominations.It is also home to countless other things.There is much to admire in England. The point about the referendum is that it will trigger a collapse of the trqvesty of democracy thqt is Westminster-‘the lords’ almost a joke but not at all funny. A two and a half party/-one party system, where Nulab merges neatly and seamlessly with the Lib dems and the Tories to form an unshakeable policy unity that moves relentlessly to the diminution of dissent,equality, liberty and justice and the suppression of any competing collective to the class exclusive ‘collective’ that the parliamentary system has become.
    A yes vote for Scotland is a yes vote for all parts of England where the sense of democratic self-determination still persists. In other words everywhere in England except the centre of London.
    A no vote is a vote for a continuaton of Osbourne and Mandelson schmoozing with gangster oligarchs, a vote for Bilderberg, a vote for Kissinger and an endorsement of his war crimes, a vote for Blair and Campbell’s dodgy dossier and the wanton slaughter of civilians by professional soldiers, a vote for Brown’s ‘financial acumen’ and consistency of policy and ‘democratic ‘ instincts, for BoJo’s sociopathy, for disinvestment in education and health, a vote for Gove spurious ideological shennanigans and IDS’s bare faced dissimulation and abject stupidity.

  72. A country cannot be truly free, independent and sovereign, unless it has the power to issue its own currency.
    It cannot control its economy to create employment , generate taxes and support social infrastructure.
    Many people are confused about money. Money is not wealth, it can lose its value overnight by hyperinflation.
    It is a means of exchange , a token. A tool to enable smooth operation of trade and industry. The Govt gives it value because it accepts it as taxes and enforces its use by the power of its laws.
    The wealth of a country is in its natural resources,which includes the ingenuity of its people to exploit those resources and create real wealth from agricultural land, water, forestry, minerals/oil/gas, fisheries, manufacturing etc.
    To exploit these resources a Govt can kickstart an industry by issuing a grant of money. The successful business will generate employment and wealth. The repayment of the granted money is returned in the form of tax, both from the workers and corporation. Thus the issued granted money is returned and cancelled, the wealth from labour and production remains.
    The US dollar is a fiat currency (as is the pound sterling, the euro and most other major currencies). This means, it is monopoly money. There is no gold reserve that its values are pegged to. It is simply made up. So how does money get made? A private, for profit central bank prints it and lends it to the government (or other banks) at an interest rate. So the Central Bank prints £100, and gives it to the government on the basis that it returns £101. You may have already spotted the first flaw in this process. The additional £1 can only ever come from the Central Bank. There is never enough money. The second issue is that all money is debt.
    This used to be the way pretty much all of the money in circulation came to be. That is, until Investment and Retail Banks got tired of the Central banks monopoly on debt based currency, and kicked off the commercial money supply. You might assume that when you take out a loan or other form of credit, a bank gives you that money from its deposit reserves, and you then pay back that loan to the Bank at a given interest rate – the Bank making its profit on the interest rate. You would be dead wrong. The Bank simply creates that loan on a computer screen.
    Let’s say you are granted a loan for £100,000. The moment that loan is approved and £100k is entered on the computer – that promise from you to the bank creates £100k for the bank, in that instant. This ledger entry alone creates the £100k, from nothing. Today, over 97% of all money that exists, is made this way. It is digital money no different from the credit on a bank credit card.
    This is what drove the dodgy lending practises that created the last crisis in 2008. But since then, the failure to regulate the markets means that while bailouts hit public services and the real economy – banks were free to continue the same behaviour, bringing the next crash. They were also issued with free ‘play money’ as in Quantitative Easing to the tune of £345 bilion.
    Govt have ceded control of 97% of the money supply to the private banking system, who invest mainly in the Financial casino sector , Insurance and real estate. This creates little employment and zero wealth, but does create mega amounts of more digital money ,leading to inflation as evident in London.
    Scotland will never be really free until its future Govt takes control of its own money creation by issuing its own currency.

  73. ” surely, Brussels would press Scotland to join the Eurozone. All new members of the EU since the inception of the Euro have had to sign up for the currency ”

    Yes indeed although they could prevaricate and put it off for a number of years as Poland has.

    Prior to joining the Euro though a country’s currency has to spend at least two years in the Exchange Rate Mechanism (Mk.II) so at some point Scotland will need to establish it’s own currency.

  74. As several contributors have noted, the Grauniad comments thread includes plenty of mockery of the Nats in general and Salmond in particular. This isn’t ‘anti Scottish hatred’ by a long chalk.

    To reiterate, the most likely scenario post independence on the currency front is the following-

    1.There will be no formal ‘currency union’ and the larger party (rUK) doesn’t want it.
    2. Scotland will however continue to use sterling, rUK will have to accept that, rather as the ECB accepts that Bosnia and Montenegro have the Euro as their currency. As Scotland will continue to use sterling, and have the Queen as Head of State, its relation to rUK in 2016 would be analogous to that of Ireland in the 1922-49 period.
    3. In the longer term, an independent Scotland will have to undertake to join the Euro; Brussels will make this a condition of Scotland’s continued membership of the EU. Whether Scottish membership of the Euro ever comes to pass will depend on whether the Euro continues to exist in its present, unwieldy form

  75. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    UK plc’s been quite happy to let the dear Jocks use their own funny money in Scotland (since 1696, so as long as it’s been in the UK, then) subject to checks and balances. For some time after 1845, Scots notes had in most cases but not all to be backed by English money, whatever that meant. Since 2009, the banks have to back their issued currency with their own reserves.

    I see the Clydesdale Bank will be issuing the first plastic banknotes in Britain next year. They will carry a picture of the Forth Bridge. And good luck to them.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 3:43 pm

    Ba’al – Komodo

    “Any Tee shirt printers around? Advice?

    I am not now nor have I ever been a t-shirt printer. But I believe you can get iron-on transfers which you can print on an ordinary PC printer from your innovative artwork done in Photoshop (£££) or The Gimp (absolutely free). All you need then is an iron. And perhaps someone who knows how these are used. I don’t.”
    __________________

    Perhaps your frend and alter ego “Afrend” could help?

    :)

  77. doug scorgie

    8 Aug, 2014 - 5:23 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    8 Aug, 2014 – 7:36 am
    “Puerile gesture politics. Costs nothing and achieves even less.”

    ——————————————————————–

    It has achieved a lot really Habbabkuk. The typical knee-jerk squealing of the Zionists has caught the attention of the media.
    Who said “there’s no such thing as bad publicity”?

  78. doug scorgie

    8 Aug, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    KingofWelshNoir
    8 Aug, 2014 – 8:38 am

    “Walk into any English pub when Scotland (or Ireland for that matter) are playing and you’ll see the punters roaring in genuine support for ‘the Jocks’.”

    ———————————————–

    Not if they are playing against England of course when the roars will be “fuck off you haggis- munching bastards.”

  79. doug scorgie

    8 Aug, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Fred
    8 Aug, 2014 – 8:45 am
    “The principles of democracy are simple, a government will act in the interests of those who vote for them and give them their power.”

    ———————————————–

    C’mon Fred you’re being silly; have you been smokin’ the haggis again?
    What about people that don’t vote for the winning party?

  80. pete fairhurst

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:26 pm

    The Grauniad comments seemed pretty tame to me tbh. And what can you expect from people who waste their time commenting in a fully controlled, zionist, mainstream media rag.

    Clearly the yes campaign has played straight into the hands of the unionists with their badly thought through approach to the vital currency question. Do they really not realise how the world turns, and how the London money power operates? How quaint. Or maybe they do realise, which is even worse in it’s implications for so called “Independence”.

    There will be no credible Independence without your own money, and your own central bank. But you don’t seem to realise this, or even how the worlds fiat money system works.

    The clue is in the name of your proposed central bank, the Bank of England. It is nominally “nationalised” but in practice is fully under the control of the private, money power banks. And if you put your faith in them, which appears to be the only option on the table, then you really will have have been sold a pup

  81. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:37 pm

    “That truly horrible, sneering tone is a foretaste of what is in store for Scotland if it votes No in the referendum.”

    Of course those arguing the other way never adopt a horrible sneering tone – especially not in the comments here!

  82. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:45 pm

    “Not if they are playing against England of course when the roars will be “fuck off you haggis- munching bastards.”

    Very difficult to munch a haggis – they just melt in mouth which is surprising given they are so difficult to capture.

  83. “To reiterate, the most likely scenario post independence on the currency front is the following-

    1.There will be no formal ‘currency union’ and the larger party (rUK) doesn’t want it.
    2. Scotland will however continue to use sterling, rUK will have to accept that, rather as the ECB accepts that Bosnia and Montenegro have the Euro as their currency. As Scotland will continue to use sterling, and have the Queen as Head of State, its relation to rUK in 2016 would be analogous to that of Ireland in the 1922-49 period.
    3. In the longer term, an independent Scotland will have to undertake to join the Euro; Brussels will make this a condition of Scotland’s continued membership of the EU. Whether Scottish membership of the Euro ever comes to pass will depend on whether the Euro continues to exist in its present, unwieldy form”

    I have to say points 1 and 3 are just utter tosh, care to back up your claim that this is the “most likely scenario”? Here is another scenario for you:

    1. There will be a currency union as the larger party (rUK) realises that although it does not really want it, it is the most pragmatic path forward and staves off pressure from the financial about the alarming increase in the rUK deficit without the backing of Scottish oil assets.
    2. If no currency union comes into being then indeed Scotland does continue to use Sterling at least in the short term. This in turns results in Scotland refusing to accept any liabilities that have been run by the UK.
    3. In the longer term Scotland shall probably select a different currency option but that shall be decided by the Government that the people of Scotland elect. It seems unlikely that the Euro shall be selected but you never know. The EU shall not dictate that Scotland has to join the Euro as put simple this not how the EU works.

  84. The bitter fruit of Better together’s campaign. Even if there was a no vote, the have made it all but impossible for Scotland ever to feel welcome. This is what comes of allowing people of Davidson and Osborne to trash Scotland’s reputation within the Union and not having the courage to hit back. Oh they have the brass neck to pick a fight with “cyber-nats”, but they are worthless little shits when it comes to sticking up for Scotland, when its attacked from within the union by those professing to cherish it.

  85. ‘The EU shall not dictate that Scotland has to join the Euro as put simple this not how the EU works.’

    ROFL!

    In the words of Frankie Howerd, my flabber has never been so gasted

  86. Hell hath no fury like a nation scorned

    12 Aug, 2014 - 3:35 am

    The bitter fruit of the independence campaign: Even after a ‘no’ vote, it will be all but impossible for us to trust the Scots ever again. The ‘yes’ campaign have made it very clear that they hate the English. And you know what? The feeling might just be mutual.
    English nationalism is a sleeping giant. A very large, ugly, malevolent, sleeping giant. Be careful not to wake it.

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