By Richard Norton-Taylorn in The Guardian
‘ Government breaks silence on CIA flights
‘ Aircraft landed at Brize Norton and Northholt
The government last night admitted for the first time that aircraft suspected of being used by the CIA to transport detainees to secret interrogation centres had landed at British military airfields.
After months of refusing to answer questions from MPs or the media, it disclosed that two aircraft known to have been chartered by the CIA landed 14 times at RAF Northholt, west London, and RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire between October 2003 and May 2004.One aircraft, a Boeing 737, was registered N313P, the other, a Gulfstream, was initially registered N379P and later as N8068V.
The flights were disclosed by Adam Ingram, the armed forces minister, in a letter to Sir Menzies Campbell, newly elected leader of the Liberal Democrats. Last week, the Liberal Democrats threatened to report the minister to the parliamentary ombudsman if he continued to refuse to answer detailed questions about flights suspected of being used for “extraordinary rendition” – the practice of sending detainees to camps where they were at risk of being tortured.
Sir Menzies was among a number of MPs of all parties, including Andrew Tyrie – the Conservative MP for Chichester who has set up a special parliamentary committee to investigate the flights – who have tabled questions about the flights since the Guardian published details of them last September.
In their replies, ministers have said that they either have no record of CIA flights since 1998, when they received four requests from the Clinton administration, or that records it might once have had had since been destroyed.
In his letter last night, Mr Ingram did not say the aircraft were used by the CIA, but the government has never denied they were. Mr Ingram also did not describe the purpose of the flights.
He insisted his disclosure was not “at odds with the foreign secretary’s statements on the subject”. Jack Straw has said that the government is “unaware” of any CIA flights landing in Britain or using UK airspace since 1998 and transporting terrorist suspects.
However, Michael Moore, the Liberal Democrat’s new foreign affairs spokesman, said last night: “Another week, another grudging admission from the government. There is now a well-established pattern of partial disclosures after repeated denials.”
He added: “These are disturbing revelations. Were these rendition flights or not? Ministers must urgently obtain answers from the US government.”
Liberty, the civil rights group, is supporting an amendment to the civil aviation bill now going through the Lords, tabled by Baroness D’Souza. It would oblige the government to require any plane using UK airspace to land if it had information that it was being used for purposes of unlawful rendition.
Flight details
Flights of CIA planes through RAF Northolt confirmed by the MoD
N313P Arrived from Brize Norton at 10.15, Oct 19, 2003. Departed to Tripoli at 13.00. Arrived from Tripoli, 15.35, Oct 22. Departed to Tripoli, noon, Oct 28. Arrived from Tripoli, 17.10, Oct 29. Departed to Shannon, 17.45. Arrived from Washington, 08:50, Dec 1. Departed to Tripoli, 11:00. Arrived from Tripoli, 13:00, Dec 3. Departed to Luqa, Malta 12:00, Dec 6.
N379P Arrived from Islamabad, 15:50, Oct 18, 2002. Departed to Washington, 09:00, Oct 20. Arrived from Amman, 12:50, Jan 16, 2003. Departed to Shannon, 10:00, Jan 18 03. Arrived from Washington, 20.05, Feb 24. Departed to Glasgow, 09:00, Feb 26. Arrived from Dohaa, 12:49, Feb 28. Departed to Glasgow, 09:00, Mar 1.
N8068V Arrived from Marrakesh, 12:10, May 15 04. Departed to Luton 13:00. Arrived from Luton, 11:05, May 17. Departed to Shannon, 08:00, May 18.
The US are lying, cheating scumbags who DO send suspected terrorists to countries that allow torture, and the UK are lying, cheating scumbags for allowing them to use airfields then denying it.
We stink. We should be ashamed of ourselves.
And we must get rid of the f*ckers in government who are allowing this debacle to happen in our name.
Jail isn't good enough for these pustules on humanity we call politicians.
Oh! I guess we should take it that Robin Stacey is a touch unhappy with the situation…. But anyway, I agree entirely with his sentiments, though I might have put it slightly differently.
Again, what's needed here is a simple diary of events showing what was asked of whom and what the replies were. My memory being so appalling I have real difficulties in remembering who said what to whom at the best of times. (Indeed the first half hour or so of most of my days is usually spent in trying to establish who I am, where I am and possibly what I am – and that's often without major chemical therapy the previous evening….)
That said, the value of blogs such as Craig's is that they do provide a voice for ordinary people to express view in a public forum, without suffering the blatant censorship (direct or otherwise) of Berlusconi, Murdoch etc. And the process is almost instantaneous – one of the few blessings of technology.
Sadly we'll not be able to get rid of the untruthful fornicators in Government for some time to come.