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Another new link announcing yet another true crime docu-drama starting production in 2026:-
https://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers-justice/2025/05/11/tuerie-de-chevaline-une-mini-serie-internationale-en-gestation-omar-sy-parmi-les-producteurs
Also see here:-
https://www.msn.com/fr-ch/actualite/other/tuerie-de-chevaline-s%C3%A9rie-%C3%A0-venir-omar-sy-dans-les-producteurs/ar-AA1EELXR?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Although dramatized, with fictional elements, it should at least help maintain the public profile and, who knows, prompt someone to call in a tip.
@ Good In Parts, I replied to your previous post
our posts have slid past each other.
michael
@michael norton
“For some time, it seemed to me that the French Authorities have been manipulating the Timeline.
Now why would they want/need to do that, if this slaughter in no way involved the French Authorities?”
There was, and still is, pressure towards convergence of accounts and elimination of inconsistencies in accounts. See my post below back from 2015.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis-continued/comment-page-170/#comment-566036
So, this convergence process, led and controlled by the gendarmes, went badly wrong in this case. Quite a lot of the fallout is not, in my view, ‘manipulation of the timeline’ in any purposeful, systematic and malign way but simply retrospective finger pointing for ass-coverage purposes.
Good In Parts
December 10, 2015 at 20:51
MN
LMC, as found, almost certainly is LMC as seen by ONF2.
Thay particular ‘special side-opening helmet’ was probably an interpretation error by the gendarmes.
However it is highly possible that a killer motorcyclist is still on the run.
The timeline is so tight that WBM is effectively LMC’s alibi.
But wait-a-minute, why then the arrest of Eric D ?
Do the gendarmes think that WBM saw a different motorcyclist?
Or is there something else that they are aware of that makes them think the killer rode a motorcycle?
possibly, the motorcyclist, is key.
possibly the “actual” motorcyclist was the actual shootist.
Perhaps, the actual motorcyclist was the rider, who transported the actual killer to Le Martinet.
These French Authorities, need to use their brains, they need to think from the beginning, they need to stop being blinkered.
How did the shootist get to Le Martinet?
How did the killer exit Le Martinet?
Follow the blood splatter.
It is almost as if, they have been told to discover nothing.
I see no ships because I am looking through my bline eye.
“Turning a blind eye is an idiom describing the ignoring of undesirable information”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_a_blind_eye
If we accept that five people were shot.
One shot, remains alive, as does her younger sister, who was not physically harmed.
The adults were shot multiple times, including head shots.
Somebody shot them.
It was claimed that William Brett Martin was the first person to come upon the scene of slaughter.
Quote Good In Parts
“The timeline is so tight that WBM is effectively LMC’s alibi”
W.B.M. claimed, just as he was getting to the scene a motorcycle slowly came down hill past him, with the rider looking at W.B.M.
Yet the motorcyclist, apparently did not come forward.
It has also been claimed that the forest workers stopped a motorcyclist, slightly above Le Martinet and spoke with that motorcyclist, this would have been when the motorcyclist opened his strange helmet and from that interaction the robofit portrait was compiled.
Are we now supposed to pretend, that this never happened?
The French have been shooting some of their ducks, the difficult ducks, who refused to neatly line up.
@michael norton
Here is another youtube video from SUD Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXR4vL3IMX0
Unfortunately I have no time atm to post more – should be back online at the weekend.
@michael norton
One thing of note in one of the videos that I have linked to recently is that updated information has come out re the phone call made to SM by his ex-wife as he rode up the combe. It is now said that this call started at 15:32 and ended at 15:33.
@intp1
Here is the youtube video from SUD Radio that I posted earlier this week:_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXR4vL3IMX0
Around the 38:00 mark one of the presenters notes that some of the spent casings were ‘moved under the effect of the helicopters blades’.
Ask the Youtuber if the helicopter also moved the evidence flags (marqueurs de preuve)? Before any Cops were able and into neat, rectangular lines.
https://postimg.cc/MnSzR7SG
@intp1
OK that is a good point.
If you were prosecuting this case would you think the spent shell casing distribution was definitive and sufficiently reliable to put in front of a jury?
Have the girls been asked to give an artist, their impression of the killer?
I am imagining, they have, perhaps more than once.
Has any likeness been spotted between the drawings of the girls with the robot drawing of the motorcyclist with the side-opening helmet?
I doubt the robofit portrait of a motorcyclist with the side opening helmet, is of the person that killed the al-Hilli family.
I get the impression that the killer was a smaller chap, very agile, very fit.
However, I would like to return to my long held suspicion that a motorcyclist gave a pillion ride to the actual killer to the slaughter combe.
Everything seemed to happen, very fast, in deed.
Perhaps the motorcyclist went above Le Martinet. Perhaps he was going to motorcycle over hill and exit another route but the motorcyclist, got turned around by the forestry workers, above Le Martinet. Perhaps they were talking, while the shooting was going on.
My view is that the killer ascended the combe as a motorcycle pillion .
My view is the killer exited Le Martinet on foot, scrambling down through the forest.
Hiding the leather jacket and gun in a badger hole.
This would probably have been at least a kilometre or so downslope, he would not have wanted to be hanging around, just a few meters down from the car park, in case he was followed.
He would have left blood on the trees/undergrowth.
Another quite important point to consider.
Let us consider option one, the killer was also the motorcyclist.
If the motorcyclist was ascending to Le Martinet, if the only target was Sylvain Mollier, why not knock him off his bike, then shoot him?
Why wait until there were multiple people around, if you only want to kill a single person, you would probably want to get them on their own?
Option two, the killer wanted to take out the al-Hilli family, why not do that as they are ascending the combe.
Motorcycle past and shoot the driver.
Stop motorcycle and shoot the rest.
The only thing that makes sense, is if you wanted to take them all out in a shooting spree.
Same, if the shootist is the pillion.
It would seem that most likely the wanted ( by the paymaster) option, was for them all to be killed at the same spot.
@michael norton
You wrote:-
“I get the impression that the killer was a smaller chap, very agile, very fit”
I agree. One of the girls, probably Zainab, noted that the killer was of average height and build. Remember that LMC was described as ‘corpulent’.
A number of reports post re-enactment emphasise that the killer constantly moved around the crime scene, shooting as he went. So certainly agile (and possibly agitated). I have wondered whether this continuous cycle of shoot-move-shoot indicates any specific type of training or practice. Of course it could be our old friend ‘sheer necessity’ at work.
Here is one interview which mentioned constant movement around the crime scene. It certainly seems to be a distinctive element however it does not seem to garner as much attention as say, the placement of the shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O6eSNc3hZQ
Le Parisien is the gift that keeps on giving
Check out this video – [PODCAST] Notre série sur l’affaire Chevaline : épisode 5/6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09HvihlhqVg
The commentary states re Sylvain Mollier’s trip to the combe above Chevaline that he cycled ’30 Km 420 covered in 1h21 and 50 seconds for average speed of 22.31 Km/h’
Well now, this is useful.
Back calculating to find his start time from Ugine yields 14:15 which, surprise surprise, is pretty close to the figure of 14:10 which was my preferred estimate.
I am still thinking on other aspects of the timeline.
There is another option but I do not think it is credible.
One man on a motorcycle.
That man being the sole killer.
The solo motorcyclist rides up the combe.
He goes slightly further up than Le Martinet, then rides the motorcycle a short distance into the forest.
Or he rides up the combe and ditches the motorcycle in the forest, before getting all the way to Le Martinet.
Leaving the motorcycle garb, with or near the motorcycle.
He then springs out of the forest and slaughters the people.
He then clambers down hill through the forest.
If this is what happened, we could have expected the French police to have discovered the dumped motorcycle?
@michael norton
Yeah, I seem to remember very early on posting my speculation that there could be a dumped motorcycle somewhere up in the mountains.
If a motorcycle was used and abandoned with the key in it, some kid who found it could have thought it was a stolen bike used for scrambling etc and thought Lucky Me!
However les gendarmes apparently did search the woods thoroughly for a decent radius around le Martinet. I think maybe 2.5Km, and didn’t find anything. Or anything that they told us anyway.
I wonder how les gendarmes themed/viewed/evaluated the reporting by the woman of Sylvain Mollier
on her concerns for Sylvain Mollier?
Was she concerned by the fact that he suddenly told her he needed to go cycling, when he was on Daddy duties, such that she had to shut her business to go and collect her child , from whoever Sylvain had dumped their child on.
Perhaps, she had an idea he was in danger, as he left for his impromptu cycle ride?
What was the time she reported her concerns to Les Gendarmes?
Claire Schutz
@michael norton
You wrote “Perhaps, she had an idea he was in danger, as he left for his impromptu cycle ride?”
Well, in my opinion she raised the alarm that he was missing with the gendarmes very, very, promptly. Unusually promptly for an adult male of sound mind. In the UK I would not expect the Police to action such a report without exacerbating factors.
Now, she could have been worried because she phoned him on his mobile like ten times but then he was cycling in an area with poor coverage.
So the question is what made her think so quickly that he was in real actual trouble?
ToE at LMP ver 4
For reference here is version 4 of my estimate of the timing of events at le Martinet parking.
15:35:00 – SAH party arrive at le Martinet parking
15:36:00 – SM arrives – shooting starts
15:37:00 – SAH reverses up against the bank – wheels begin to spin
15:37:30 – shooting finishes
15:38:00 – the killer starts to leave
15:38:45 – WBM notices Zainab staggering in the middle of the road and hears her cry out as she falls flat on her face
15:39:00 – WBM arrives – moves Zainab to recovery position
15:40:30 – WBM moves SM
15:41:30 – WBM checks car
15:42:00 – WBM breaks side window and stops engine – tries his mobile but cannot get a signal
15:42:30 – WBM starts back down the combe to get help
15:44:30 – WBM meets PB and his two compagnions
15:44:59 – At the request of WBM first emergency call made by one of the women to the SP
15:46:00 – WBM plus PB et al start back up to le Martinet
15:47:30 – WBM arrives back at le Martinet parking
15:48:00 – PB wigs out and tries to assault WBM
15:48:30 – approximate time PB makes second emergency call to the SP
The shooting itself takes 90 seconds. Two magazine changes are required.
NB WBM is at the scene of the crime for approx three minutes and thirty seconds (ie less than four minutes) before departing downhill to get help.
NB the BMW digs-in to the bank for approx five minutes before WBM turns off the engine.
@ Good In Parts, your timings are as tight as a duck’s arse.
So, only barely one minute between the killer leaving and W.B.M. being on scene, that is very tight.
@Good In Parts
Is there a time stamp, for when Lyon Motorcycle Man was interrogated by the Forest People?
@michael norton
We were given a loose timestamp of ‘around 3pm’ at the second hairpin by Eric Maillard himself.
As for the ‘interrogation’ by the Forest Folk, it was more of a friendly warning.
Remember, this was their actual job yet the two Forest Guards conspicuously failed to even take the motorcycle rego, failed to note the make of motorcycle, and failed to accurately describe his helmet etc etc.
This was a real epic fail. If they had done their job and gotten his name and motorcycle details, LMC would have been found and interviewed within 24 hours. There would have been no ‘reversed sighting’ of motorcycles and much less confusion (if any) as to the timeline. The investigation would have been in a very, very, different place.
@michael norton
You wrote “your timings are as tight as a duck’s arse.”
Well the ducks around your way must be rather ‘loose’ because, compared with my previous ‘complete’ timeline, I have allocated more than double the previous time for the shooting itself (because the most recent reconstruction gave specific timings). I have also allowed more time for messing around at the parking place and departing stage left.
However there is still scope to easily move the shooting start time back or forward by say a minute or so.