New Year’s Greetings 3


We would like to thank the very large number of people who have directly contacted Craig or the weblog to give their support to the work we are involved in and, in particular, the decision to release the Tashkent letters.

Inevitably, there was going to be range of rather less positive reactions and we thought it might be interesting to share a sample of some of these minority minds with you. A range of views follow, from the reasoned to the raving. Enjoy!

Go hang yourself traitor!!! Stop trying to bilk morons out of money! You should be ashamed of yourself for turning on your country. Remember WW2 and the peril your country was in from the Nazi’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I really don’t know where to start. The Nazis were also quite fond of torture, and banning books, and stuff like that, which is why we opposed them.

And, if you want to discuss history, for a very considerable period, -over two years in fact – the Nazis killed massive numbers of Poles, and French, and Dutch, and Czechs, and myriad others, while the US just stood by and watched. There were 100 times more British casualties from the Nazi blitz than from 9/11, and America did nothing. Only when the USA was itself attacked did the USA respond – and then, it must be said, did a great job with much sacrifice.

Nine of my uncles served in the second world war. Four of them still live and are horrified by what Blair and Bush have brought us to. So don’t throw your simplistic stupidities at me.

Craig

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Craig, I’m 71 years old and a retired US Army CW4. I would love to meet you anywhere you like so I can pound you into the ground, then rip off your fucking head with my bare hands and bowl it down the street. When the ragheads take over, assholes like you are the first ones they’ll execute.

Fuck you,

L. A. St.Onge, Los Lunas, NM USA

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Er… no comment

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you protect your country by any means necessary. Just as one protects his home using any and all options available so should the government do the same in protecting it’s citizens and it’s shores.

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Dear friend,

Thousands of people are tortured in Uzbekistan every year. 99% of them are completely innocent, as in they have no connection with terrorism whatsoever.

Presumably you wouldn’t object, then, if they did become terrorists, as they must have the right to protect themselves and their families by any means too? Let me put that another way – if someone boiled your brother to death, what would you do?

Try to think wider.

Craig

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“Three Christian schoolgirls were beheaded by masked assailants in Poso district in October.”

“Twenty people were killed in May this year when two bombs exploded in the largely Christian town of Tentena.”

We are involved in a very nasty war. If torture includes taking clothes of people or putting hoods on them then so what.

There is also much more to the problems in Uzbekistan than your blog admits.

Regards, MCF

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Michael

I don’t know who you are, but I would be surprised if you are better informed on Uzbekistan than I am.

I think you know that I am not talking about just putting hoods on people or taking off thier clothes. And why you think that appalling terrorist atrocities in Indonesia justify the torture of thousands of people in Uzbekistan – 99% of whom have no connection with terrorism -I don’t understand.

Craig

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Mr. Murray,

I can only hope that one of these Islamic terrorists slowly hacks YOUR head off someday, or maybe blows up one of your children or brutally rapes your mother, sister, wife, daughter. You bleedingheart liberals disgust me in every way, you are the first ones to scream torture and human rights violations yet if a terrorist plot is successful you immediately BLAME your government for NOT protecting YOU!! It is YOU, sir, that is torturing the rest of us who actually have the capacity to think and understand exactly what these people would do to morons like you given the opportunity. Here is my contribution, ROT IN HELL!!

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Pat,

Of the many thousands of people tortured every year in Uzbekistan, the large majority – at least 99% – are not terrorists. You are displaying a lot of hate in your tone. I do hope you find peace.

Craig

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Mr. Murray,

I can appreciate your stance on torture. But there are other points of view. It is a nice moral platitude to espouse; but, when it comes to the lives of your citizens in the UK vs. the life of single al-Queda operative… I will opt to extract information by any means to save the lives of those who are in danger.

We are dealing with an instumentality that has been growing under our feet for decades. We are dealing with a way of thought that is contrary to Western political and moral values. If we fail to take necessary measures to eliminate that threat and thousands of our people die due to our moral and political stance on extracting information from an individual who posseses information that is vital to the welfare of our societies, then I opt to sacrifice that individual for the greater good if necessary.

I am an American Veteran of the Viet-nam conflict who served with US Air Force. It was our moral and political stance that cost us 58,000+ American lives. Our government was full of people who did not allow our military forces to prosecute that war to conclusion. We cannot allow this attitude to prevail again. Your own Chamberlain was promoting Peace while Hitler was preparing to destroy your country. If you think the Nazis were bad, wait until you commit to engage yourselves to protect your way of life. Frankly, I do not want to see Islam become the dominant force anywhere in this world. And that is what we are engaged in fighting. Islam fundamentalism.

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Thank you. I am familiar with your argument. If you had an al-Qaida operaitve in front of you, who had planned a bomb about to go off, would you hit him until he told you it was about to go off. Of course you would – I would, anyway.

But real life isn’t that clear cut. What we are talking about is completely different. In Uzbekistan thousands of people are tortured every year, and at least 99% of them are nothing to do with terrorism, as in completely innocent. And a fair number of those die under torture. Most of them are just religous Muslims.

The US no longer supports the Uzbek regime. But for the period it did, I can assure you that these facts fuelled hatred of the US (and UK) across the Muslim world. It thus creates, rather than combats, terrorism.

Thank you for your thoughtful comments, Craig

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CRAIG

MOST EVERYONE IS AWARE ISLAMIC TERRORISM HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE FREE WORLD WITH A GOAL OF RULING THE WORLD UNDER ISLAM. WE HAVE SEEN ISLAM DEMONSTRATE ITS CONTROL IN AFGHANASTAN WITH THE SHOOTING OF WOMEN IN THE HEAD AS A SHOW FOR THE STADIUM CROWD AS ONE EXAMPLE, ON ARAB TV WE HAVE SEEN BEHEADINGS OF HUMAN BEINGS FOR THE WORLD TO SEE AS ONE MORE EXAMPLE. ON YOUR WEB SITE I HAVE SEEN YOUR BREACH OF NATIONAL SECURITY PROMOTING THE CAUSE OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM FOR THE WORLD TO SEE EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW THEIR INHUMANE UNCIVILIZED RECORD. I FIND MYSELF WONDERING WHAT SORT OF TWISTED PERSONALITY WOULD BETRAY HIS OWN PRECIOUS COUNTRYMEN TO FAVOR A VICIOUS BLOODTHIRSTY ENEMY AS I SEE ON YOUR WEB. ALSO YOUR OVERALL WEB SITE IS NOTHING BUT A NEST OF PRO-TERRORISM MALE BOVINE DEFFICATION. I WISH YOU A GREAT NEW YEAR AS A STAR ON ARAB TV WITH THE SEVERING OF YOUR HEAD BY THOSE WHOM YOU HAVE AIDED IN THEIR WAR AGAINST FREEDOM AND HUMANITY. HOWEVER I SHALL GET A COPY OF YOUR BOOK AT THE LOCAL FLEA MARKET REJECT BASKET, IT WOULD BE MOST USEFUL WERE I TO RUN OUT OF TOILET TISSUE.

BOB

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