The call by the US Presidential spokesman for Hamas to stop its rocket attacks on Israel, as Israel pours over 100 tonnes of high explosive into that cooped-up territory, illustrates perfectly the “Big lie” school of propaganda about Palestine to which the people of the United States have been subjected for the past sixty years.
Of course Hamas should stop the rocket attacks. But the Israeli response is wholly disproportionate. Only today did Hamas kill their first Israeli in the last twelve months. So far today Israel has killed 212 Palestinians, and counting.
I regard Hamas as an unpleasant aberration, but just the kind of aberration you will get when you steal the land of an entire population, and ethnically cleanse them into a ghetto so tight, poor and beleagured it is simpy a prison. What Israel has done to the Palestinians for decades, with strong US support, is as unconscionable as the crimes of Hitler and Stalin. It may not reach those tyrant’s full scale, but there comes a level of evil where further scale is irrelevant. After what has been done, and is being done, to the Palestinians, did people seriously expect them to turn round and vote for Liberals?
The Israeli state is an appalling racist aberration. Israel’s creation was, exactly like the growth of Hamas, an understandable but deeply regrettable phenomenon arising from a terrible evil done to a people, hijacked by a rampant religious extremism and its pre-existing plans. For cultural reasons, and in strong contrast to the religous extremism of Hamas, the religious extremism of Zionism found strong support in the West.
Zionism is complete bullshit. I have just as much right to claim the Celtic lake sites in Switzerland that were holy to my vague and supposed ancestors.
It is high time that thinking Europeans had the courage of their convictions and completely rejected the notion of the racist and mystic Israeli state. There can and should be no two state solution. What is needed is a single state, blind to ethnicity or religion, on the lands of Israel/Palestine. That is the only path that has any hope of leading to peace.
Quote; "What is needed is a single state, blind to ethnicity or religion, on the lands of Israel/Palestine. That is the only path that has any hope of leading to peace."
Absolutely right but so powerful has been the influence of Zionist propaganda that there are few who are prepared to state the obvious (or, should I say, what should be obvious).
Interesting and very benign charecterization of HAMAS as an "unpleasant aberration"! Perhaps if you read their Charter, particularly Article 7, you might think otherwise.
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
You see, when a martyrdom centric death cult runs a terror-state, their body count is glorious and worthy of 62 virgins each. Their actual intent is to horrify Western culture with their dead as a vehicle to acheive ther ends.
Perhaps when the Arabs want ma Palestinian state more than they want to destroy the Jewish one, there may be a chance for peace. Maybe not.
The Israeli state is an appalling racist aberration. Israel's creation was, exactly like the growth of Hamas, an understandable but deeply regrettable phenomenon arising from a terrible evil done to a people"
That is utterly false Craig.
The state of Israyhell was planned and agreed upon way before the horrors of what was done to the Jewish people was discovered.
You know that.
Israyhell is a state of theft, murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing and lord knows what else. Israyhell is as much of a 'godly' state as Satans toilet is.
Innocent Palestinians and their grandshildren shouldn't have to pay a '60+ year wrath of evil' because of the crimes and shady deals of White Europeans, the origin of whom makes for very interesting, yet non-surprising reading.
I agree a single state is an ideal solution, on the way to (a utopian dream of) a single world.
But as long as America militarily backs Israel then it simply isn't going to happen for no other reason than Israel can do what they like through sheer force of arms.
lwtc247
Not false at all. of course Zionism had made some progress before the Second World War – you omit my reference to pre-existing plans. But the political conditions that allowed it to be implemented with massive force against the civilian population, were born out of the Holocaust. It is foolish to deny that.
Gideon – I don't think "an unpleasant aberration" is a benign characterisation. But the behaviour of Israel – now and in general – is indefensible.
Mike – I think we are nearing the end of US hegemony, in my lifetime, so I am not so pessimistic.
The timing is obvious, Obama can stay on the fence, nobody cares for Bush & co.
Israel will never find peace if it follows this policy. Even if they succeed in driving out and destroying all Palestinians they will be faced with their own home grown extremists with no external target, then the internal fighting will begin.
How many enemies does Israel wish to have?
"The Israeli Blitzkreig on Gaza – killing people with bombs and rockets – how it works"
"Before viewing this video you are warned that it contains scenes of dreadful carnage"…
http://tinyurl.com/9ybzst
And all with the blessings and approval of New Labour.
My view of this is that much of the blame lies with the Palestinians' fellow Arabs. Other than possibly Libya, what have the other Arabic states done? Why don't they just tighten the levers on oil and stop trading in dollars?
Zionism made some progress before WW2???
Come on Craig. You're hot on Central Asia, but utterly pants on the ME.
WZO secured the agreement of one of the worlds major powers to ensure it's creation in 1917 – Balfour.
How was this agreement secured Craig? What was the price? FOC on a whim of benevolence?? Dead bodies in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Ireland might disagree.
December 1917 Allenby captures Jerusalem declaring the end of the crusades. Later, said to have kicked the tomb of Saladin in Syria.
1931 UK abandons the gold standard.
1944 Bretton woods.
During ww2: Zionist Jews given refuge and land to farm for themselves in Palestine by sympathetic Palestinian farmers, plot to capture the land for themselves. Read "Going Solo" by Roald Dahl.
July '46 Zionist terrorists bomb the King David hotel, killing a whopping 91 people. Victims = British and others inc Jews. UK government does nothing, other than to later form a cosy relationship with the terrorists when the theft of Palestine is allowed to happen.
1950's Lavon affair.
1967 USS Liberty.
1960's small inner circle of UK government transfers plutonium and heavy water to Israyhell.
UK arrests Australian man for information on an Australian website at the behest of Germany.
Israyhell heavily involved in 7-7, with published warnings, diplomatic warnings and security companies. UK government can't be bothered to investigate. BBD heads have cell number of MET chief.
British police tip off a Zionist bugger not to leave his aeroplane and send him back so they don't have to arrest him for serious crimes.
A wee bit of reason to raise ones eyebrows me thinks, rather than the dear benevolent British government trying to help some Jews in atrocious forced labour camps.
Friends of Israyhell groups permeate all British political parties and forms one of the largest if not THE largest 'lobby' groups in the country.
Long list of British PM's refuse to prevent the mass flight of refugees for Palestinians and their mass murder in a 60 year holocaust.
The rather strange dissipation of the 1993 Belgian law which could have seen justice applied to king of all nappy wearers, Ariel Sharon. Fisks account of Sabra and Shatila should shock even the hardest of hearts,not to mention tales of Palestinians themselves.
Israyhell bombs the crap out of Lebanon. Over 1000 kids obliterated. UK govt deliberately stalls discussing it in the hope Israyhell's illegal murder fest meets some perverse measure of success. 1000 kids to Blair and Bush is quite a success.
A long list of Ministers fawn to Israyhell. Why? Bliar makes joke of the year when he becomes the ME peace envoy. Ho ho!
I'm afraid, Palestine is THE issue my old China. And until the 60 year theft is addressed by dismantling the godless Satanic state of Zionist Israyhell with its semi naked dancers shaking their bodies in front of the Western wall, and the vermin with a strangle hold in particular, in western countries are weeded out then as before the ME and the world will be within inches of global peace. The realist in me believes this will never happen.
Read some authentic Jewish eschatology Craig, the history of the WZO and anti-semite Herzl, Kamal Attaturd, Lawrence of Arabia, the Wahabbi movement, the Sauds, The post-Othman Hashemite 'Caliph' King of Transjordan, Islamic eschatology. The deliberate provocation of the second Intefada. The funders of the PLO. This Likud maverick (name of the exact one escapes me for now) hell-bent on the third building of David and Solomons temple by destroying Al Aqsa. See any kind of pattern?
Israel claims its a democracy but the fact is its government acts exactly as a racist rough state. Disregarding respect of international law, human rights and UN resolutions.
The interesting part is that information I know is that Israel helped in the creation of Hamas. It was an aim to weaken PLO at the time.
Israel is ruled as an apartheid state and it will not survive in an honest way. As many other governments in the region and the world.
Agree that the only sustainable path to peace is with one state solution.
Craig,
RE: Mike – I think we are nearing the end of US hegemony, in my lifetime, so I am not so pessimistic.
While I can see US hegemony declining in the next couple of decades simply replacing it with Chinese hegemony would be a sideways step not a forwards one.
The Chinese have already shown themselves to be quite happy to exchange weapons for oil.
Nothing personal, but I'll hang on to my pessimism a while longer.
The attacks on Gaza; a desparately poor, defenceless, densely populated, 'Ghetto' need to be condemned by all civilized people.
One wonders whether the use of such overwhelming force really makes Israel 'safer' or has the opposite effect, storing up anger, hatred and the desire for revenge, that will last for generations. Personally, I think extreme Israeli Nationalism, or militant Zionism, is a slow form of suicide for the Jewish state.
What's tragic is to see Jews, of all people, using many of the same methods of violence that were uses against them for so long. Now the jackboot is on the other foot and it's our turn to kick some arse! This is perverse irony of history and a very, very, dangerous one.
There is no 'peace process' only a 'piece process' by which Israel take more and more pieces of Palestinian territory – because it can.
Conventional warfare is bad enough, witness the scenes in Gaza, what makes me uneasy is the two to three hundred nuclear warheads that Israel has. Why so many? Surely it would be enough to destroy all the Arab capitals in some future war of survival and 'win'?
I am unconvinced we will witness significant change in Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. Naomi Klein explains in The Shock Doctrine how economic interests in Israel have taken firm control of the security and reconstruction market, thus increasing their stake in maintaining the status quo.
Put simply: Israeli policy towards the Palestinians benefits Israeli economic interests. The construction of the wall, the provisioning of the Israeli army, reconstruction activities et cetera: billions of dollars go into the coffers of the corporate sector.
In return, Israeli politicians willing to maintain this madness will receive contributions by the companies that benefit from their policies.
"How Israel kills Palestinians with Remote Control Guns – shooting fish in a Barrel IDF style"…
http://tinyurl.com/6mt598
lwtc247
http://tinyurl.com/7culfb
lwtc247
I fear you are slightly obsessive. Of course I know the history of the Balfour Declaration and of the origins of the modern Zionist movement. But there was a huge leap from that to the practical foundation of an agressive Zionist state that forcibly removed the Palestinians from their land, and that step was only possible because of an unwillingness in the West to stop obvious atrocity, because of the coninuing political ramifications of the Holocaust.
Obsessive?
Crikey Craig, I'm trying to make you aware that the Zionist filth (for that is what they are) which has brought about this fake state of Israyhell, and pushes/steers the US and UK into actions that benefit these scumbags KILLING MILLIONS and bringing incomprehensible perpetual misery to far more millions, is THE NO 1 problem in the world today.
This is no conspiracy mate. The documented facts of dual-loyalists in the States (of which the Zio Neocons are an excellent and highly visible example) prove these people dispense a living nightmare across the globe. Any need to mention the federal reserve?
The British corruption is more subtle but equally deadly in it's results.
You call that obsessive? Fine then. I'm obsessed, a luxury of vitalism the millions of their victims don't have. I am proud of what you call 'obsession'.
You take a fantastic stance against tyrants who boil people alive and all the rest of the hideous things that happen to the Uzbeks, as well as on behalf of the Muslims shipped around the world for torture in some sadists dungeon at the behest of the US and UK establishments, yet you say the creation of Israyhell was because of the holocaust.
That position is just wrong. I would hope you would honesty reappraise that perception.
These people are akin to Satanists and as the document supplied by George Dutton (cheers btw George) we see their secret societies and what they achieve. We also see the usual suspects like the banking families e.g. Rottenchilds. You know when you see them that there's trouble somewhere.
Again, white European crimes shouldn't be paid for by the misery and slaughter of the innocent and kind people of Palestine. It really is that simple.
Why weren't they 'given' Baden Wurtenberg, Suffolk, Wyoming or the Austria lowlands? Quite frankly, it's a perversion of the mind to try and justify the creation of Israyhell, not to mention the terrible injustice inflicted upon the Palestinians.
I don't see how you believe there is a huge leap. The people behind Zionism despised the Jews. They aren't Jewish. If they were they would be great people, celebrated across the world. They are, in part, actually fake Jews – hiding behind Judaism. The atrocious conditions of the Jews in the labor camps were the answering of the Zionists satanic prayers.
Zionists whenever they feel the need, adorn the 'holocuast sympathy' cloak, knowing full well what it may achieve, but screw the actually Jewsish people who did suffer. I refer to the 'Holocaust Industry' the phrase coined by and research conducted by Norm Finklestein, exemplifies this.
Jews who study their faith and largely don't accept the perversion of their faith (Goym are animals, Usury is OK ?" but to non Jews only) are ashamed of this godless Israyhell. Just like knowledgeable Muslims are ashamed of the few hopeless, utterly desperate people blowing up busses full of little Jewish children.
The Rosemary's baby bastard state of Israyhell was going to be born, WW2 or not. They have managed to neuter any suggestion of intolerance to their greedy and apocalyptic plans.
Surely the motive for the creation of the state of Israel was for strategic purposes; to control the Middle East and its resources. To be able to act effectively Israel needs to get rid of the Palestinians, which it is doing bit by bit.
"About Jewish Voice for Peace"…
http://december18th.org/about/
"Let the Shministim go!"…
http://december18th.org/
Is there solid evidence for the Holocaust? Have the witnesses been rewarded with life-long pensions for their stories? Was the Red Cross stupid or complicit when it did not report targeted mass killings of Jews in the concentration camps? Is the Leuchter Report false? Is Anne Frank's Diary a fraud? Why is the repression of doubters including prison sentences for asking historical questions? Is the Holocaust mainly a post-war construction designed to allow and justify the endless and effectively very anti-Jewish Zionist-Israeli atrocities?
researcher
I lived in Poland for four years and know a number of people who were in the camps, and also know the physical evidence. You are very welcome to be as mad as a hatter, but please do it somewhere else.
"ISRAEL: No civilian casualties in Gaza!"…
http://tinyurl.com/739zde
Lost for words.
Moral laws operate in the world just as surely as the laws of physics. They do not show the same immediate relationship of cause to effect, but they operate nevertheless. Jews, with their long religious traditions and wealth of source material should know this more than most of us. Israel hastens its own destruction with the atrocities of the last two days and by its ongoing injustice against the Palestinians.
I find it extraordinary why in a free society there is the repression of doubters including prison sentences for asking historical questions. Surely, such
repression leads one to think that there may be something that needs hiding.
All heinous events, however sensitive, should be open to scrutiny from all sides.
Ruth,
Doubt what you wish; you can doubt my existence if you like; it doesn't bother me. You can doubt the Battle of Hastings happened. You can doubt the Holocaust happened. Feel free.
I think it was disgracefully wrong to send David Irving to jail for it. Just as I think the Danish anti-Islamic cartoons were wrong, but should not be banned. I am into freedom in a big way.
But I can promise you, from personal inspection and conversations wit eye-witnesses, that the Holocaust did happen. Remember many of those in the camps were Poles, German political prisoners, gays, gypsies and numerous other categories the Nazis wishd to exterminate, as well as the Jews. They are not all making it up. If you believe the Holocaust is a fiction you are nuts.
I am not decrying your freedom to be nuts if you wish to.
lwtc247
I'm right there with you on the history of the establishment of the Zionist state and disagree with Craig for once.
Craig,
I did not say the Holocaust did not exist. I have, in fact, met Poles whose relatives were killed. My point is that it is bizarre why people should be taken to court for doubting that the event took place.
There have been many other atrocities on this scale but people are not imprisoned for casting doubt.
Craig
As much as I admire you (I once met you when you worked in Ghana, and, unlike my colleagues, thought that you were spot on to highlight corruption in which HMG was involved, albeit indirectly), I fear that here you have simply joined the fashionable anti-Israel bandwagon.
On what basis precisely will there be a united state, when Palestinian children are taught that Jews are filth and should die?
Not likely in my lifetime. And if Jews want a homeland, why not? I just wish fanatical Muslims would follow their lead and choose to live in Saudi or Iran, rather than choose to come to the UK and try to enforce their ridiculous views on me. But then, they're Muslims, so that's OK. Right?
"Civilian Dead do not exist for a (likely) War Criminal"…
http://tinyurl.com/9dxek8