Just heard on Sky News:
“Oprah Winfrey has revealed how her heart broke when she interviewed Kate and Gerry McCann.”
Great News! Oprah Winfrey’s dead! How did she reveal it though? In a seance? At the post mortem when her diaphragm was opened?
This disgusting McCann couple at the very most charitable interpretation, left tiny children all alone in a foreign hotel room while they were off having fun. More than once. I can think of much worse possibilities. When will the media stop promoting them?
Forget “Lyn”. Returning to the McCann Case: there’s a stretch of 5 miles or so along the coast West of the holiday resort (from Luz to a mile or so beyond Burgau) containing spots of deeper water. An example of a spot near a road suitable for a driver may be 37 04 55N, 8 44 17W, except that it is near houses.
Can people who know about dogs say whether a dog sensitive to cadavers would pick anything up a long time after, if it were thrown in deep waters, if the dog were in a motor boat taken near the spot?
Lyn is plainly a misguided racist – or at least is linking us to a site which is. But the content of the comment here is not objectionable.
I think the only chance to get to the truth is when the McCanns get round to divorcing, then when the shit starts flying, we might get a confession or two.
I found the Portuguese documentary-they-didnt-want-you-to-see entirely unconvincing.
Even the concept that trained dogs can detect where cadavers once were is highly questionable. Their presence at different parts of a potential crime scene is likely to result in the dogs themselves contaminating it and actually moving human DNA from one place to another.
The idea that the McCanns would hide the body for over 23 days – whilst under intense investigation – and then hire a car to move the body is totally ridiculous. If her DNA was actually in the car – it probably fell off the dog’s nose – having been transported from the flat.
I admit the case is extremely strange – more for the fact that it occupied a significant amount of newsspace for over a year.
I still think it probable that the child was abducted by persons unknown and believe there is a fair possibility that she is still alive.
Whilst the McCanns were highly irresponsible in leaving their young children unattended, a significant proportion of the public have subjected them to a witch hunt and are 100% sure of their guilt without there being any real evidence. I think it highly probable they are innocent of any major crime – but that there is something else going on that I do not understand.
Whilst it is unusual for Children so young to disappear, Children do indeed disappear. The statistics for under 16’s disappearing (runaways) are a National disgrace. According to the BBC 86,000 under-16s go missing in England every year.
Yet the media obsession occupying most of the news for over a year was about one single 4 year old.
By now she could be 6 and living in a mansion in Argentina having almost completely forgotten about her real parents.
Some people do evil things and kidnapping Children is one of them.
Sorry, Craig, but that was a vile post of yours. The McCanns only came to media attention because their daughter disappeared. They have not forfeited the right to respect and not having their private lives discussed by a load of prurient harpies, which is what your post has shown you to be.
Millions of children have been left alone over the years by perfectly responsible parents whilst the parents were next door at the neighbours or just down the road, or simply in another part of the hotel.
In my opinion what the McCanns should have done is what a Portugeese or Spanish parent would have done and taken the kids with them to the restaurant, but then another collection of Anglo-Saxon harpies would have found something else to complain about.
We always took our young children on holiday with us and always took them to the restraunt with us. It was usually the Greek Islands and all the Greeks treated them wonderfully.
However, we also took them to music festivals from as young as 3 months. Some people thought we were highly irresponsible but they never came to any harm. My wife openly breast fed – sometimes while dancing. No-one complained. That’s what breasts are for.
But once we were robbed in the middle of the night. The guy actually came into our tent whilst we were all asleep. He didn’t steal our children – but he did steal my wallet – and carefully went through it all – leaving all the credit cards and personal stuff in a neat pile – just taking all the cash. He also “did” about 15 tents – all in close proximity. Only one person woke up – and he said – sorry mate – wrong tent.
Now when I went off to the police to report it – our 4 year old tried to follow me – and “got lost”
So I’d not only lost all my cash – I had also lost my little boy.
Fortunately someone took him to the “found children” place – where he was playing perfectly happily.
Now if something far worse had happened – and he’d disappeared and was found drowned in the Thames – we would immediately become prime suspects of murder.
Particularly in cases involving Children, the police, the legal system, and the “experts” are determined to find someone guilty – even in cases where it is highly probable that no crime has actually been committed.
Here is an example of a case I have studied in great detail and come to the conclusion that a totally innocent person has been jailed for 3 years for a crime I am 100% convinced she did not commit. Her case is about to go to appeal, but she has already served half her sentence.
http://www.carers4carers.co.uk/index.html
Stephen
I disagree with you entirely. One child was age 3 and two were age 1. Responsible parents never leave children of those ages alone for an extended period. Even in you wn home. if the child were upstairs and you were downstairs, 99% of parents would use a baby monitor.
To leave children that small alone in a foreign hotel room – night after night –
is grossly irresponsible. I would never have dreamt of it with my own kids.
Tony
Jamie once ran away from me in Debenhams, age 3, in a pirit of mischief. He dashed between the legs of people and hid behind a perfume counter. It tokk me ten minutes to find him. I was terrified and he thought it was hilarious. So I know how it felt when your kid got lost.
But there is a huge difference between a child wandering away from you, and deliberately abandoning them. That is what the McCanns did.
“what the McCanns should have done is what a Portugeese or Spanish parent would have done and taken the kids with them to the restaurant”
Exactly, or used the baby-sitting service that was available. I don’t have to be an “Anglo-Saxon harpy” to find the whole thing weird (and irresponsible) in the extreme. I don’t believe in these “millions of children” under 4 years old that are left alone by their parents, and if I did, I wouldn’t consider their parents “perfectly responsible”. I’ve had two of my own and what the McCanns did would have been unthinkable for us, even when they were much older.
Thanks to others here for the links. Eye-opening.
Craig,
I agree that the McCanns were irresponsible in leaving their young children unattended, but branding them vile is much too strong.
However having read posts on the subject elsewhere many people become so obsessed, that given half a chance they would string them both up to the nearest lamp post.
Yet there is absolutely no real evidence that they did anything more than they have clearly admitted to – which is to leave them unattended – something that most parents will have done to varying extents. Children are still unattended if they are left upstairs asleep in their bedroom alone – even the with the use of a baby alarm.
A quick google search revealed the following:-
http://www.amberalertregistry.org/amber-alert-statistics.html
” Learn about the Current Kidnapping Statistics in America Today
United States Statistics Missing Children Statistics
– A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the U.S., over 2,100 per day
– 800,000 children go missing each year
– 90% are juveniles
– 50% are 4 to 11 years old
– Strangers commit 53% of child abductions that end tragically
– Kidnapping statistics in America also show that it generally takes a parent 2 to 4 hours to provide complete information to law enforcement agencies
– Another 500,000 go missing without ever being reported”
On that basis alone, the odds that a child of some UK parent abroad will be kidnapped is considerable. The weird thing is that it is so rarely reported or given media attention.
To jump to the conclusion that the McCanns must have been involved in the death of their child taking all the evidence into account – is highly illogical.
A much more likely scenario – was that she was kidnapped to order – possibly by an extremely rich couple somewhere in the world – who had lost their own child and wanted a replacement look-a-like.
The statistics demonstrate that people actually do commit such evil acts far more frequently than is generally recognised.
I qualify my post above on further research that shows that the above statistics are misleading.
Only a tiny percentage of the figures quoted above are actual kidnappings by strangers.
Here are more accurate figures
The U.S. Department of Justice reports
* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
* 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
* 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
* 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)
Tony,
I really son’t accept an equivalence between leaving a child in a bedroom in your own home while you are downstairs, and leaving it in a bedroom in a hotel when you have left the building to go to a restaurant
And a hotel room where, if my memory serves, the interior door into the corridor was locked but the outer windows looking towards the street weren’t. And three very small children left alone in it, the hotel’s baby-sitting service having been declined.
Culpable gross negligence, at the very least.
I am not arguing that there is an equivalence between “between leaving a child in a bedroom in your own home while you are downstairs, and leaving it in a bedroom in a hotel when you have left the building to go to a restaurant”.
I would even accept the charge of gross negligence.
So far as I recall the restaurant was about 100-200 metres away in the same complex. If it had been 1-2 km away the degree of negligence would have been much worse.
If the restaurant had actually been a part of the same building and they were eating and drinking within 10-20 metres, the negligence would have been much less – and most people would argue there hadn’t actually been any.
Its all a matter of degree.
Personally meal time was always a family affair for us – and we ate together. But most families treat their kids as if they are pets. They feed them junk “kids food” seperately and then send them to bed.
Its all very well to draw lines after the event – and deem what is gross negligence and what is acceptable behaviour, but if there had been no incident, there would have been no accusations.
ah,well, you see, it’s all because of that ugly pimply man who has now so belatedly entered the spin factory.
Yes. The pimply man was apparently seen standing beside a large cauldron cackling wildly. What happened to the ‘George Harrison’ e-fit man?