Brown at Chilcot 147


I can’t be bothered watching Brown at Chilcot any more. Mildly interesting but unsurprising that Blair kept him out of the loop on dealings with Bush,

Brown’s primary concern is to deny that Treasury constraints cost British soldiers’ lives. He has therefore said six times in the first half hour that, as far as the Treasury were concerned, cost was never an issue.

It bloody well should have been. To all those unemployed and steeped in debt, does this feel like a country that had £100 billion to throw away on a totally needless aggressive war?

Gordon Brown. Unquestioning writer of cheques for a psychotic warmongerer.

What a tosser.


147 thoughts on “Brown at Chilcot

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  • tony_opmoc

    First of all, you need to realise that I don’t just read and contribute to soft nice liberal websites, like this one

    But I also read stuff, on the most hard core Extreme Right Wing Fascist American Websites From The Depths Of Their Own Private Armies and Firing Ranges Where They Are Playing With Their Machine Guns and RPG’s Live in Places Like Florida

    And I am not going to have these cunts slagging off The British Army

    So I said This

    “The problem is not our British Soldiers. They will take on any C.U.N.T. and defeat them.

    The problem is our Governments

    Maybe, one day Our British Army will Protect us From Them

    I have been gently suggesting this for years

    But the response is always we can’t do that, We are British, it would be seen as a Military Coup

    I reply such things have happenned before, and the Army would then be in a Position to Arrest All The Suspected War Criminals…

    And they reply they would all be on the first plane out

    I say I know people who work in the area of border control

    They Know All The War Criminals and Can Detect Their False Passports.

    Tony

  • tony_opmoc

    Incidentally, I am almost certain Larry is a 9/11 Truther and is about 17 years old.

    He is the direct opposite of what he tries to appear to be

    He is just trying to wind people up

    I’d Guess not In St. Louis – more like a bedsit in Liverpool

    Tony

  • tony_opmoc

    Richard,

    That is Great – but did you understand my point?

    I perceived your comment, as if you were suggestting that I was not worthy. As if to say, I should not write my words on here.

    That I should just write them on my own blog, and invite you to comment on them with your live tunes.

    If you are a musician, and want me to write some lyrics for you, then I can probably do the job for you

    I got a Grade 5 in “O” Level English Literature and I got a Grade 5 “O” Level in English Language

    Tony

  • Richard Robinson

    “Then they have pitifully low expectations.”

    Don’t worry about it. He’s bored, is all. Abuse some people, hope someone’ll bite, another pointless round of abuse. It’s called “troll”, and the only feasible thing to do is not feed it. Motives aren’t even worth thinking about, some people just don’t seem to to know what else to do, how else to get along or pass the time. I dunno. It’s sad, maybe, if you’re feeling charitable, but it’s not anyone else’s problem except his.

    Someone called him mardy. Someone else called him an ‘operative’. Does that make him a Mardy Grass ?

  • Richard Robinson

    tony – I was saying “irrelevant”, yes, and maybe they’d get more of a response, if you set up your own context where they weren’t. But WTF, it’s late, and I’ve been drinking too.

    (If you’ve got any songs of your own you’d be entirely welcome to feed them into that thing if you wanted, but I wasn’t really meaning to have a fit of advertising).

    “Worthy” is hardly for me to say. Just, I don’t see what many of them have to do with the price of fish.

  • tony_opmoc

    I knew absolutely nothing about it, but my wife said come on We are going to see this, and we took our Indian Friend who went to College There.

    Within The First 10 Minutes

    I KNEW That Slumdog Millionaire Would Win All The Oscars

    This Year – Well I thought it was going to be crap

    But Michael Caine was Brilliant in Harry Brown

    I would however suggest NETWORK made in 1976

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/awards

    Tony

  • Richard Robinson

    *grin*. Where is Arsalan ? I’ll have to try and remember the name of that blog he talked about setting up, at this rate.

  • anno

    Larry

    Why not check out why Freeman resigned?

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/03/10/freeman_speaks_out_on_his_exit.

    I don’t do fantasy.I don’t do music. I don’t do art.I don’t do fiction. I do the truth and reality.

    Unlike Freeman and Craig, I resigned when I was at school and I met some of the grey suits who run the UK and its flourishing Empire.

    I do not object ONLY to state terrorism sponsored by religious racism. I also object to our own internal UK elite who constantly lie, lie, lie and continue lying until they convince people they are talking the truth.

    The Chilcot Inquiry has established that many senior diplomats were uneasy about the Iraq invasion. ALL LIES. Their policy is to offload their share of responsibility on a politician who promised to carry the blame for the Iraq invasion on his shoulders. The entire UK establishment, including both houses of parliament, colluded with Blair against the wishes of the UK population.

    Chilcot is part of the crucible in which they clear out their impurities. To a man and to a woman, except for those who resigned in silence and obscurity, they all signed up to the invasion and anybody who objected was bumped off. Craig was removed because he stood against some of the mechanics of the War on Islam. Had he dared to oppose the War itself, he would have also have been finished.

  • anno

    Arsalan probably underwent that small operation at the hands of his wife for dreaming about taking a second wife.

  • tony_opmoc

    It doesn’t really work too well if there are just 3 or 4 or 5 of you – that is just a group

    But when it gets up to 6, 7, 8 and 9, then you have got an audience

    And when it gets to 10 & 11, then there are more people in the audience than there are on stage

    I sometimes wonder how they do it, because if you are playing a new place you have no idea what the audience might be

    You just turn up, hump your gear

    And you might think it will be like your last gig, with several hundred people screaming for more

    And you set it all up, and start at the appointed time, and you have been doing it for 10 minutes and the guy at the bar is thinking how much his boss is paying the band to bring all these customers in

    And the band are playing to an audience of ONE – the Barman

    And then Us Lot Turn Up

    So tonight the band had an audience of 4 – well maybe 10 by the end.

    We told them a much better pub and they gave us their CD’s

    Tony

  • Richard Robinson

    “Arsalan probably underwent that small operation …”

    Grin. That’s no excuse, he’s still got his fingers, hasn’t he ? Or what does he type with ?

    Time for bed, I think. Good night, all.

  • tony_opmoc

    For Larry, who probably doesn’t understand what it is like screwing a thermal…

    Well it is like this….

    Instead of joining the RAF, you work your bollocks off so that by the time you are 23 you have to try something different

    And you join a Gliding Club

    And you eventually go solo…

    But then you find yourself absolutely fucking miles away from the “gliding range” about 1 mile or so

    But you are at 5,500 feet and you got there entirely by your own flying skills

    And it is a perfect day

    So you think Oh Fuck

    You have been taught well, and so you are many miles away

    And you realise that you really are going to have to find a field to land in, and then almost at the point of final decision, such that you are going to hopefully land in a field, you get this MASSIVE KICK Up The ARSE

    And You Sling Her Over at almost 90 Degrees

    And She Sucks You Back Up to 5,500 feet

    And when you land back home at the Gliding Club 4 hours later

    They Ask

    “Where The Fuck Have You Been?”

    It was supposed to be 20 minutes max

    I had done a retrieve the previous week so I got away with it

    Tony

  • tony_opmoc

    As Jimi Hendrix sings Hey Joe, on the Radio, as a result of what someone here posted today I Read This

    “You will by now have seen the statement by Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair reporting that I have withdrawn my previous acceptance of his invitation to chair the National Intelligence Council.

    I have concluded that the barrage of libelous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office. The effort to smear me and to destroy my credibility would instead continue. I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country. I agreed to chair the NIC to strengthen it and protect it against politicization, not to introduce it to efforts by a special interest group to assert control over it through a protracted political campaign.

    As those who know me are well aware, I have greatly enjoyed life since retiring from government. Nothing was further from my mind than a return to public service. When Admiral Blair asked me to chair the NIC I responded that I understood he was “asking me to give my freedom of speech, my leisure, the greater part of my income, subject myself to the mental colonoscopy of a polygraph, and resume a daily commute to a job with long working hours and a daily ration of political abuse.” I added that I wondered “whether there wasn’t some sort of downside to this offer.” I was mindful that no one is indispensable; I am not an exception. It took weeks of reflection for me to conclude that, given the unprecedentedly challenging circumstances in which our country now finds itself abroad and at home, I had no choice but accept the call to return to public service. I thereupon resigned from all positions that I had held and all activities in which I was engaged. I now look forward to returning to private life, freed of all previous obligations.

    I am not so immodest as to believe that this controversy was about me rather than issues of public policy. These issues had little to do with the NIC and were not at the heart of what I hoped to contribute to the quality of analysis available to President Obama and his administration. Still, I am saddened by what the controversy and the manner in which the public vitriol of those who devoted themselves to sustaining it have revealed about the state of our civil society. It is apparent that we Americans cannot any longer conduct a serious public discussion or exercise independent judgment about matters of great importance to our country as well as to our allies and friends.

    The libels on me and their easily traceable email trails show conclusively that there is a powerful lobby determined to prevent any view other than its own from being aired, still less to factor in American understanding of trends and events in the Middle East. The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth. The aim of this Lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government other than those that it favors.

    There is a special irony in having been accused of improper regard for the opinions of foreign governments and societies by a group so clearly intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government ?” in this case, the government of Israel. I believe that the inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for US policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics has allowed that faction to adopt and sustain policies that ultimately threaten the existence of the state of Israel. It is not permitted for anyone in the United States to say so. This is not just a tragedy for Israelis and their neighbors in the Middle East; it is doing widening damage to the national security of the United States.

    The outrageous agitation that followed the leak of my pending appointment will be seen by many to raise serious questions about whether the Obama administration will be able to make its own decisions about the Middle East and related issues. I regret that my willingness to serve the new administration has ended by casting doubt on its ability to consider, let alone decide what policies might best serve the interests of the United States rather than those of a Lobby intent on enforcing the will and interests of a foreign government.

    In the court of public opinion, unlike a court of law, one is guilty until proven innocent. The speeches from which quotations have been lifted from their context are available for anyone interested in the truth to read. The injustice of the accusations made against me has been obvious to those with open minds. Those who have sought to impugn my character are uninterested in any rebuttal that I or anyone else might make.

    Still, for the record: I have never sought to be paid or accepted payment from any foreign government, including Saudi Arabia or China, for any service, nor have I ever spoken on behalf of a foreign government, its interests, or its policies. I have never lobbied any branch of our government for any cause, foreign or domestic. I am my own man, no one else’s, and with my return to private life, I will once again ?” to my pleasure ?” serve no master other than myself. I will continue to speak out as I choose on issues of concern to me and other Americans.”

    WOW

    Tony

  • mary

    “And I’d just like to dedicate this to the women and men in the military who risk their lives on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world. And may they come home safe. Thank you.”

    The end of Ms Bigelow’s acceptance speech for her Best Film Oscar. You can only weep for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, for those children left with birth defects in the aftermath of Fallujah, for those tortured at Abu Ghraib and Bagram and for the millions who have really been H+U+R+T.

    What a very sick world we are living in.

  • ingo

    I heard Hendrix play Hey Joe on the isle of Femarn in the Baltic, his last open air concert some 14 days before he died. And what apocalyptic setting it was. It was chucking it down all weekend security was ‘arranged’ by Rockers on bad acid and the stage burned down.

    Thanks for that tell all snippet Tony, yet Obama’s chief of staff, rumoured to have been scheming behind his back, is seemingly on the way out.

    Still the lobbies behind Governments are vast and great, it is no surprise that Israel has got such influence over US foreign policy goals, there might be tales to be told by them.

    Avi Shlaims historic account of Israels many attempts at frustrating peace efforts with its neighbours, even if they came from Israel themselves, has tainted my judgement, but then, he’s well versed to make these aquisations.

    I fear that any of the two major parties will take us to war, they will even collude in a hung Parliament to achieve the aims of a miniscule minority.

    All thats left to do now is make enough noise to voters about it.

    Mary, I absolutely agree with you, what a sickening spectacle to all those who have lost their relatives and children in Iraq, Fallujah especially, to the explosions and DU coatings of munitions.

    Cancers and leukemia are increasing explosively cue to the legacy of our conduct.

    I fear that we are readying ourselves for the new attack/war to come, lets hope I’m wrong. BTW., does anybody know as to whether the two Israely missile ships left the Gulf of Hormuz yet? what the heck are they doing there, moreover what would they say to two Iranian navy vessels in the eastern med? would they just look on and watch them?

    Be prepared for a grand coalition, after this hung Parliament gets elected, between noLabour and Conservatives, just to make us take part in such a possible world flagration.

    be also prepared for China’s military actions, because their dependency on Iranian oil and status in the world is being challenged by such a move, they cannot do without some 17-20% cut in their oil.

    Wellcome to a western hemisphere dropping into a low trough of facism, creating more hurt and weeping from the east, rightwing dribble and reactionary violence of those who do not understand.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “…yet Obama’s chief of staff, rumoured to have been scheming behind his back, is seemingly on the way out.

    Still the lobbies behind Governments are vast and great, it is no surprise that Israel has got such influence over US foreign policy goals, there might be tales to be told by them.”

    Yeah, that scheming hook-nosed money-changing Jew, right?

    My guess is that, as a non-American, you never knew of the existence of the position of chief of staff until a Jew held that post under Obama.

  • Ian McNee

    Sometimes I think I might start a blog.

    When I next get that urge I’ll come back to this comment trail to remind myself what an essentially futile exercise it would be 🙂

  • Richard Robinson

    “what an essentially futile exercise”

    I know the feeling. I don’t always think it is entirely, but I can come close to it – I was reading the articles for years, before I let myself get sucked into joining in. I imagine many other lurkers will understand that (if any of them have bothered to look this far, of course).

    Of course, one could think it was always bound to be. I mean, it’s not like Craig’s invented a magic button that we can all push and have the world instantly be just as we wish, or even and make things change. It’s only talk.

    And some of that could seem futile, too … but talking’s not always necessarily pointless. I do wish the system could include the concept of a ‘killfile’, though.

  • ingo

    Larry, sometimes you should keep your tongue where you like it best, tickling your own backside.

    Good luck with the blog Ian, you need a thick skin as you slug it out with the Larry’s of this world.

  • Richard Robinson

    Slug it out, eh ?

    If people want to call each other rude names, that’s fine with me, and none of my business amyway. But I wish they could muster the decency to do it somewhere of their own, instead of trampling around breaking other peoples’ furniture. “Between consenting adults in private”, as they said in a different context.

  • Richard Robinson

    Hi, Arsalan. I was just noticing you didn’t seem to be here in the last several threads, really, & wondering if you’d gone away.

  • dreoilin

    “If people want to call each other rude names”

    It tends to be a one-way activity, Richard, if you checked it out you’d see that.

  • Richard Robinson

    “It tends to be a one-way activity, Richard, if you checked it out you’d see that.”

    Well, yes, it does, mostly (I have been reading, as well as writing). But the “slug it out” suggested (to me) a hint of a move towards ‘tit for tat’, which I was hoping to suggest wouldn’t help.

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