163 thoughts on “The Best Writing on Bin Laden’s Death

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  • Scouse Billy

    Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

    Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

    http://www.fascistsoup.com/2011/05/04/bin-laden-dead-hoax-exposed/

  • YugoStiglitz

    Wow, Scouse Billy, once again this blog has become a mirror site for crazy right-wing American bullshit. Alex Jones! Hah! Should we also be concerned about chemtrails and Mexicans and the NWO murdering 80% of us?

    Whoever that idiot is can easily be dismissed as a conspiracy nut. He reminds me of an American astronaut who stated recently that he was once pulled into a room where he was given the Truth about alien visitors. It’s the same crap – never any evidence, just the rantings of a lonely person and potentially sick mind.

  • Scouse Billy

    I pass on the information – I don’t ask anyone to believe anything.

    You on the other hand, use the language of a spoilt child.

    People are perfectly capable of making their own minds up.

    They can easily resist the spiteful bile of the know all blog bully.

    So kindly fuck off, Larry.

  • Frank Hawkes

    The reticence of Obama over showing images of OBL is odd. There was no reluctance to show pictures of Saddam Hussein: his capture, his mock trial and eventual hanging. There is no shortage of graphic and horrific pictures on the Internet of dead children, mostly Iraqi and Afghani. Nor of images of the monstrous babies born to Iraqi women due to depleted uranium in their environment. On a side issue, I wonder whether they found a kidney dialysis machine in the property. The U.S. seems to deliberately create controversy: is the photo fake? was it him? did he have a gun? did he use his wife as a human shield? Just once, Obama, tell us the straight truth. The wingnuts are already out claiming OBL was responsible for 9/11. Prove it.

  • angrysoba

    I think it is unlikely that there was a dialysis machine in the property because it is unlikely he needed dialysis.
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    However, the Pakistani security services have inspected the scene and released some of their own pictures which are VERY graphic indeed.
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    Presumably it won’t be beyond the capabilities of the ISI to run forensic tests on the blood taken from the room bin Laden was in.
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    Also, the photographs show the wreckage of a very advanced stealth helicopter. It seems obvious that this wasn’t an ordinary mission.
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    http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound
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    Oh, and some people might go a bit wild to hear this but it seems the helicopter could have been destroyed by thermite grenades.

  • dreoilin

    “Oh, and some people might go a bit wild to hear this but it seems the helicopter could have been destroyed by thermite grenades.”
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    For which you give no source? And people talk about Alex Jones?

  • KingofWelshNoir

    Don’t be daft! Thermite would melt straight through the grenade casing and through the floor of the helicopter.

  • KingofWelshNoir

    Sorry Angry,

    I know I’m an unreconstructed tinfoil hat, but those bits of helicopter wreckage look about as convincing to me as the bits of tin can painted in American Airlines colours left on the Pentagon lawn all those years ago.

    And then there are ‘very graphic’ pictures of a bucket, a garden hose, a wall, and five shots of a dead man who isn’t OBL.

    Photos, in fact, which show almost nothing as far as I can see.

  • GloriousLand

    “…Right between the eyes before he could get to his sledge…” -Hilarious!

  • KingofWelshNoir

    It might be a helicopter, but the whole story being fed to the media feels phoney, a piece of misdirection encouraging a spurious excitement about the issue of a ‘stealth’ helicopter – as if that mattered – thus deflecting the spotlight from the way the White House keeps changing the story.

    The whole piece in the Guardian reeks of the planted news story – larded up with irrelevant detail like gritty pictures of buckets and garden hoses, and attributed to highly-placed but unnamed sources who all seem rather tentative and speak entirely in the conditional:

    A number of military analysts believe…

    One former US special operations air expert told the Army Times that…

    …a circular cover over the helicopter’s tail rotor, which experts said could be …

    …it was “very plausible” that…

    After you’ve read a few pieces like that the pattern becomes obvious – just a piece of propaganda pretending to be news.

  • spectral

    Nobody knows what kind of flying object was that. Including the folks dedicated and passionate about the flying machines:

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid/page32&s=30a089befc7a76605c4a334b7b5923ee
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    http://cryptome.org/eyeball/reuters-dead/reuters-dead.htm
    http://cryptome.org/eyeball/obl-kill/obl-kill.htm
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    WARNING: Those with faint heart should not open the first cryptome.org link!
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    Now it matter of speculation, the whole thing is choreographed as if it is coming from bad Hollywood scenario. The tail from that “thing” is nowhere and never seen before, and I believe it’s left by purpose.
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    To me, the whole thing is surreal and it’s the noise and infotainment when societies on both side of Atlantic are in deep trouble.

  • Roderick Russell

    It does seem that the American “SEAL” unit carried out a very efficient Special Forces operation one they were told by the intelligence agencies where to find Bin Laden. However, amazingly it also seems that intelligence agencies such as the CIA, MI6 etc. allowed Bin Laden to hide out unnoticed, living in plane view for years in a large mansion beside a major army base in a suburb of Pakistan’s capital city. Either we haven’t got the whole story, or there is something incredibly incompetent about the modus operendi of these agencies. As most of Craig’s readers know, I have long questioned the ethics, integrity and patriotism of agencies like MI6. I think they serve powerful special interest groups; not the nation as a whole. It seems that we must now also question their competence and thus their ability to protect us in their proclaimed war against terror.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    “ISI desperately tried to preserve peace by helping Al Qaeda…” Bjorn, I’m sorry, but this statement seems to me to be utterly oxymoronic. ‘ISI’, ‘peace’ and ‘Al Qaeda’ are antithetical. The Islamists and their pals in the ISI were busy beheading schoolteachers and secular politicians in the NWFP at that very time because they didn’t like the outcome of the election, in which the people of the NWFP had booted-out the mullahs and voted-in a secular party. The ISI has been screwing the people of Pakistan forever – certainly since the late 1970s when the Zia junta came to power, instituted this long nightmare of constructed, postmodern Islamism and hanged the Prime Minister. Yes, we know the USA, UK et al helped to create the Islamist monster in Af-Pak and elsewhere. But when anti-imperialist stances drive people to express beneficent ideas about mafiosi like the ISI, I really do despair. The ISI and the Pakistani Military-Spook complex in general is pathologically obsessed with India and interested in keeping wealth and power to themselves and their widespread business interests. They stole the people’s sovereignty a long time ago. The military-spook complex and the civilian politicians who depend on them for maintenance of their own wealth and privilege exist in a sadomasochistic relationship, with the former as the dominatrix. The USA is interested in its own power, we know this. I’m afraid that basically, the good people have no guns, while the crazies have everything.

  • Roderick Russell

    It does seem that the American “SEAL” unit carried out a very efficient Special Forces operation once they were told by the intelligence agencies where to find Bin Laden. However, amazingly it also seems that intelligence agencies such as the CIA, MI6 etc. allowed Bin Laden to hide out unnoticed, living in plain view for years in a large mansion beside a major army base in a suburb of Pakistan’s capital city. Either we haven’t got the whole story, or there is something incredibly incompetent about the modus operendi of these agencies. As most of Craig’s readers know, I have long questioned the ethics, integrity and patriotism of agencies like MI6. I think they serve powerful special interest groups; not the nation as a whole. It seems that we must now also question their competence and thus their ability to protect us in their proclaimed war against terror.

  • angrysoba

    “Nobody knows what kind of flying object was that.”
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    It’s straight out of Area 51. In fact, that wouldn’t be outrageous. It probably is a place where they test these types of things.
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    Apparently “aviation geeks scramble to ID bin Laden raid’s mystery chopper.”:
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/aviation-geeks-scramble-to-i-d-osama-raids-mystery-copter/all/1
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    I don’t think there is that much interest in that part of the story though, so I don’t buy the idea that it is a distraction tool.
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    I don’t really understand where the theory goes if you are disputing whether or not it was a real helicopter. We do know as well as possible that there was a raid on the compound and four or five people were killed.
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    “And then there are ‘very graphic’ pictures…of a dead man who isn’t OBL.” [my edit]
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    The dead man (I think there are two different men) can’t possibly be bin Laden because his body was taken by the US forces (according to their story). The pictures were taken by Pakistani security forces so if bin Laden were still there when they took pictures then the story would become very odd indeed.

  • spectral

    What’s you belief “system”, and what it is based on and formed, strictly speaking, your prerogative.
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    Broadly speaking, I for one presume you are having doubt in this, too:
    REASON IN COMMON SENSE
    .an imagination is magnificent gift of the Nature (or god if you will) and as Einstein told us maybe more important than the knowledge. But he had in mind the physics. In down to earth world, common sense is still important when you are dealing with Sociopaths.

  • dreoilin

    The whole story stinks. Their “greatest ever source of intelligence” and they shot him in the head and dumped him at sea. Like hell they did. (Were they afraid that some of what Glenn used to refer to as “magic Arab” dust might affect them?) Obama will be re-elected, barring some major unforeseen upset.

  • angrysoba

    So, Osama bin Laden is either alive now or he died earlier. Which story do you find the most plausible? (You’re only allowed one story, by the way!)

  • angrysoba

    Courtnenay, that is no doubt true but you give the impression of trying to change the subject somewhat. Do you think bin Laden is alive or dead? Do you think he was merely a slightly wayward anti-imperialist? Do you think he was a Zionist lackey? Do you think he was the Emmanuel Goldstein of our times?

  • dreoilin

    “In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence — which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”
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    “Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.”

    Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
    http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
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    “(You’re only allowed one story, by the way!)”
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    Tell that to the White House, Angry.

  • angrysoba

    ““(You’re only allowed one story, by the way!)”
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    Tell that to the White House, Angry.”
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    I did. I said to Obama that he can’t claim that Osama bin Laden was not a Muslim and then give him a burial at sea with “full Muslim funeral rites”. It sounds like you’re trying to have it both ways.
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    If you are claiming that US special forces carried out an extraordinary crime by violating a sovereign nation to kill Osama bin Laden you can’t simultaneously claim that the crime never happened. This is also trying to have it both ways.
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    Similarly you can’t claim that Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure and other natural causes if you also buy the theory that Benazir Bhutto revealed his “murder” in 2007. This is also trying to have it both ways.
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    Anyway, some videos taken from bin Laden’s compound have been released. Who wants to be the first to yell, “FAAAAAAKE!”?

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